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Title: Feeding Kids Meat Is Still Child Abuse
Source: PETA
URL Source: http://blog.peta.org/archives/2008/09/child_abuse.php
Published: Sep 11, 2008
Author: PETA
Post Date: 2008-09-11 17:32:32 by Ninpo
Keywords: None
Views: 1444
Comments: 70

he story of a 15 year old boy in Lubbock, Texas in need of a liver transplant because of health complications relating to obesity is the latest case highlighting the need for parents to step up and teach their children healthy eating habits. We believe that parents have a responsibility to teach their children healthy eating habits. Raising your children on a meat-based diet that might lead them to the hospital or an early grave is child abuse, plain and simple. And that’s exactly the message on PETA’s new billboard we’re trying to run in Lubbock, Texas.

The boy’s diet consisted of mostly burgers and pizza which (duh!) resulted in a fatty liver. This is not a health problem a child should ever have to face, but unfortunately, he’s not the only one. It is becoming a sickening sign of the adolescent obesity epidemic that some adolescents are requiring liver transplants due to their poor diets rich in fats.

To help spotlight that vegetarianism is a key to overcoming obesity in children and parents’ responsibility in getting this message to their children, PETA’s billboard with the tagline, "Feeding kids meat is child abuse - Fight the fat - GoVeg.com." will hopefully be hitting Lubbock shortly.

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Many children who are fed a diet of saturated fat- and cholesterol-laden burgers, nuggets, and hot dogs show symptoms of heart disease by the time they reach first grade. Parents don’t need to be told that feeding their children such poor diets may be slowly killing them, its common sense. But they’re feeding it to them anyway.

Child abuse. Plain and simple.

Posted by Carrie Ann Harris

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#1. To: Ninpo (#0)

You're a crackpot.

We have eyes that point forward. That means we are meat-eating predators. Prey have eyes on the side of their eyes.

The fatty acids that are necessary for brain development exist only in meat. B- 12, also.

Your oh-so-apparent strangeness is due to your brain damage caused by not eating flesh.

Freeper: I read, but do not understand, write, but make no sense, think, but nothing happens.

Turtle  posted on  2008-09-11   17:40:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Turtle (#1)

You are full of (dead cooked) shit! http://blog.peta.org/archives/Annalise_Braakensiek_nude_charity_photo.jpg

Ninpo  posted on  2008-09-11   17:44:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Ninpo (#0)

The boy’s diet consisted of mostly burgers and pizza which (duh!) resulted in a fatty liver.

Seems the trouble is with the way the meal is prepared and not with what's in it.

Dunk any veggie into the deep fryer long enough and it will have plenty of fat too.

"The more I see of life, the less I fear death." - Me.

"If violence solved nothing, then weapons technology would have never advanced past crude clubs and rocks." - Me.

Pissed Off Janitor  posted on  2008-09-11   17:44:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Ninpo (#0)

You can make a case for bad meat (shot full of hormones/chemicals), but you CANNOT make a case for ALL meat being bad. Doctors will tell you to eat all the wild game you want: venison, elk, fish, fowl, it's ALL good for you.

Wheat. Chaff. Learn to separate.

“The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people…and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit!”
-Schweizerische Schutzenseitunt (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941

X-15  posted on  2008-09-11   17:44:53 ET  (2 images) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: X-15 (#4)

Doctors will tell you to eat all the wild game you want: venison, elk, fish, fowl, it's ALL good for you.

Doctors also used to also be on TV commercials for cigarettes.

Killing animals is abuse. Feeding them to your children is child abuse.

Ninpo  posted on  2008-09-11   17:46:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: X-15 (#4)

fff..pt.cckk...emmm.....burp.....

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-09-11   17:59:58 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Jethro Tull (#6)

holocaust on a plate

Ninpo  posted on  2008-09-11   18:01:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Jethro Tull (#6)

A man who knows how to eat.


"You have delusions of adequacy."

farmfriend  posted on  2008-09-11   18:10:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Ninpo (#0)

Feeding Kids Meat Is Still Child Abuse

Yes, child abuse...tasty child abuse.

"I'd like to live just long enough to be there when they cut off your head and stick it on a pike as a warning to the next ten generations that some favors come with too high a price." Vir Cotto, Babylon 5

orangedog  posted on  2008-09-11   18:12:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: X-15 (#4)


"You have delusions of adequacy."

farmfriend  posted on  2008-09-11   18:13:35 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: farmfriend (#10)

hehehehehe

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-09-11   18:20:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: farmfriend (#10)

w00t!!!

“The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people…and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit!”
-Schweizerische Schutzenseitunt (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941

X-15  posted on  2008-09-11   18:33:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Ninpo (#0)

(T)he story of a 15 year old boy in Lubbock,Texas in need of a liver transplant because of health complications relating to obesity is the latest case highlighting the need for parents to step up and teach their children healthy eating habits.

First, I bet he ate more than a just one double cheese burger at a time, or just a couple of slices of pizza. For two, you DO need to eat fruits and vegetables for a balanced diet in ADDITION to meat and dairy products.

For three, how many bags of chips and 2 liter bottles of Coke did he wash the burgers down with, and how many twinkies, cup cakes, and boxes of ice cream did he eat for dessert and "snacks"? What about all the other "snack food" crap they market to kids these days, loaded with artificial ingredients and corn syrup?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2008-09-11   18:48:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: FormerLurker (#13)

So, like, what is the point of your rant?

Ninpo  posted on  2008-09-11   18:51:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Ninpo (#14)

The point, oh nature lover, is that it wasn't the meat itself that made him fat, it was the breading, the dough surrounding the meat, and all the junk food he no doubt ate along with the meat.

Tell me, do you believe in evolution? If so, you should eat meat. Carnivorous animals eat meat, are you going to make your average Yellowstone wolf you no doubt idolize eat grass and carrots? If we are nothing more than animals, we should behave as other forward eye animals and eat meat. Survival of the fittest!! We are the top of the food chain.

echo5sierra  posted on  2008-09-11   19:55:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: echo5sierra (#15)

Tell me, do you believe in evolution?

No, I don't believe in faith based theories.

Ninpo  posted on  2008-09-11   19:58:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Ninpo (#16)

You have incisors. If you don't believe me, ask your dentist. How do you reconcile that with your no-meat mantra?? Sure, we have molars, that just makes us omnivores, like grizzly bears.

“The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people…and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit!”
-Schweizerische Schutzenseitunt (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941

X-15  posted on  2008-09-11   20:05:48 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: X-15 (#17)

I haven't eaten meat in 9 years.

I have not been sick but 4 times in 9 years.

You figure it out.

Ninpo  posted on  2008-09-11   20:06:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Ninpo, All (#18)

If you were really committed to the "cause", you'd get your ass down to the dentist and tell him to extract your incisors. Will you swear before everybody here at 4um to do this??

“The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people…and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit!”
-Schweizerische Schutzenseitunt (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941

X-15  posted on  2008-09-11   20:12:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Ninpo (#16)

Ok forget the evolution. Should we make carnivores like tigers and lions eat vegetables exclusively?

echo5sierra  posted on  2008-09-11   21:15:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Ninpo (#18)

I have not been sick but 4 times in 9 years.

Thirty percent of what I eat is meat and I haven't had a cold or the flu in 30 years.

Freeper: I read, but do not understand, write, but make no sense, think, but nothing happens.

Turtle  posted on  2008-09-11   21:23:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Ninpo (#5)

Killing animals is abuse.

Not always. Sometimes it is mercy to put them out of their misery.

Besides, my cat demands a meat diet. He kills animals all the time when he goes out.

Do you dare call that "animal abuse"?

"A leader, for a change." - Jimmy Carter, 1976 campaign slogan. Sound familiar? Here it comes again!

mirage  posted on  2008-09-11   22:47:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Ninpo (#18)

I haven't eaten meat in 9 years.

I have not been sick but 4 times in 9 years.

You figure it out.

Wow... That's some pretty astute logic...

I've probably eaten meat every day since I was born, and the sun rose on every one of those days. If I stopped eating meat, you would freeze to death...

Government blows and that which governs least blows least...

Axenolith  posted on  2008-09-12   10:08:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Ninpo (#18)

I haven't eaten meat in 9 years.

Are you trying to say you are a former faggot that doesn't have aids?

Old Friend  posted on  2008-09-12   10:09:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: echo5sierra (#20)

Should we make carnivores like tigers and lions eat vegetables exclusively?

Yup, right after we genetically engineer vegetables to provide all of the amino acid precursors needed... :-)

Government blows and that which governs least blows least...

Axenolith  posted on  2008-09-12   10:10:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: X-15 (#4)

Doctors will tell you to eat all the wild game you want: venison, elk, fish, fowl, it's ALL good for you.

The meat of a migrating waterfowl is the leanest meat on earth. That's why you have to prepare most duck dishes with a sauce, the meat has no juices of it's own to cook in......Damn, I'm gonna have to go check the freezer.

duckhunter  posted on  2008-09-12   10:25:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Ninpo (#5)

Feeding them to your children is child abuse.

Bullshit. Somehow the human race managed to survive as omnivores for the last 100,000 years or so. What happened in the last 50 to change all that?

duckhunter  posted on  2008-09-12   10:30:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: X-15 (#4)

Nice pics. It is great for kids to learn to hunt and provide for themselves.

I once saw some freaks car. It said meat is murder. What an idiot. I always wanted to go throw a hamburger pattie and smash it on the window.

Old Friend  posted on  2008-09-12   10:35:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Ninpo (#5)

Killing animals is abuse. Feeding them to your children is child abuse.

Giving your kids nothing but vegetables is dangerous to their health. Parents who do that should have their kids taken away. Are you a child abuser? If you have kids and you push this "I watched animals on TV and they talk and are just like people" crap you should.

You sound like the freaks that were protesting KFC a few months ago. They prompted me to turn around and get some KFC. Then I went and ate it in front of the little assholes. Meat it's whats for dinner.

Old Friend  posted on  2008-09-12   10:38:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Ninpo (#18)

Why are you for starving kids?

NEW YORK — A vegan couple in New York City were busted for starving their baby daughter — by denying her breast milk and formula, feeding her only nuts, fruits and vegetables, and allegedly failing to get her medical help for severe malnutrition.

Joseph and Silva Swinton, both 31, were arrested Friday and charged with reckless endangerment and endangering the welfare of a child for failing to properly feed and care for their baby, Ice.

The Swintons, who are being held in lieu of $20,000 bail, face up to seven years in prison if convicted.

Sixteen-month-old Ice Swinton weighed only 10 pounds, looked like a 2- or 3-month-old and was half the normal weight of a child her age when authorities discovered her close to death last November.

EMS workers rushed Ice to from her Queens home to Long Island Jewish Hospital, where doctors diagnosed her with developmental problems, a distended abdomen, fractured bones, a vitamin deficiency called rickets and a lung disorder — all caused by malnutrition, authorities said.

The Swintons, who say they approach veganism as a religion, fed the child a diet of "ground nuts, fresh-squeezed fruit juices, herbal tea, beans, cod liver oil and flax seed oil," a complaint said.

Even when doctors told the couple their baby was on the brink of death in November, both parents insisted "there was nothing wrong" and were resistant to treatment, the complaint said.

After a four-month hospital stay, the New York City Administration for Children's Services placed the baby in a foster home.

Several months on a healthy diet have helped the 20-month-old to achieve the functions of a 10- to 12-month-old baby, but the child is still struggling, authorities said.

Warren Silverman, a lawyer representing the mother, questioned why there was such a long delay to file charges.

"If Long Island Jewish Hospital at that time thought that something was amiss, why wasn't something done right away?" he asked.

The Swintons have been allowed supervised visits with their daughter — but ACS has asked that a judge order them stopped after the father said he thought the child was getting "chubby," sources said.

Neighbor Toyin Savage said she was "shocked."

Another neighbor said she saw the baby recently.

"I asked how old she was and they said, 'Almost a year.' She looked very small. They said she was a vegetarian — I didn't think about it at the time."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,51494,00.html

Old Friend  posted on  2008-09-12   10:52:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Ninpo (#0) (Edited)

The thing I hate most about you vegan militants is that you just live and let live. No meat eater or hunter will ever try to force you to eat meat or go hunting. Meanwhile, you vegan nuts want to shove your lifestyle down other people's throats. If you had your way, you would use the force of law to make other people to eat what you want them to eat, which is just as repellant as anybody who wants to force people to think, worship, or not worship in a particular way.

If you want to live on tofu and mashed yeast, have at it. Live on a diet of sawdust for all I care, it's your life. Just learn to mind your own business when you do it. If you have a hang-up about eating meat and want to stop others from doing so, you aren't any different than religious nuts with sexual hang- ups who want to run other people's sex lives for them. You guys are just religious nuts with a different obsession.

Rupert_Pupkin  posted on  2008-09-12   11:43:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: X-15 (#17)

You should also ask Team Tofu why we have such short small intestines and a reduced appendix. Vegetarian monkeys have a well-developed appendix and long intestines, while we (just like our closest relatives, the omnivorous chimps) have an appendix vestige and short intestines.

Rupert_Pupkin  posted on  2008-09-12   11:51:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#32)

Yes, there's no question that we're equipped to eat meat. In the long run, vegetarians have to take protein supplements, which is the cowards way of getting around eating meat.

“The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people…and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit!”
-Schweizerische Schutzenseitunt (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941

X-15  posted on  2008-09-12   11:55:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#32)

You should also ask Team Tofu why we have such short small intestines and a reduced appendix. Vegetarian monkeys have a well-developed appendix and long intestines, while we (just like our closest relatives, the omnivorous chimps) have an appendix vestige and short intestines.

Most herbivores such as cows, goats, sheep are ruminants with a 4 part stomach or have digestive systems like rabbits that actually eat their cecal material that has been bacterially changed to be higher in protein and certain vitamins. Horses don't have either, intead they have intestines so long that they have become prone to all kinds of digestive and blockage problems.

mininggold  posted on  2008-09-12   12:16:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: mininggold (#34)

or have digestive systems like rabbits that actually eat their cecal material

Spread the news. You've discovered a new lifestyle fad for the vegans.

Rupert_Pupkin  posted on  2008-09-12   12:17:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#35)

Spread the news. You've discovered a new lifestyle fad for the vegans.

And almost all animal babies eat Momma's fresh FECAL material at some point. Full of Vits, enzymes and good bacteria.

mininggold  posted on  2008-09-12   12:24:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#31)

The thing I hate most about you vegan militants is that you just live and let live. No meat eater or hunter will ever try to force you to eat meat or go hunting. you would use the force of law to make other people to eat what you want them to eat, which is just as repellant as anybody who wants to force people to think, worship, or not worship in a particular way.

If you want to live on tofu and mashed yeast, have at it. Live on a diet of sawdust for all I care, it's your life. Just learn to mind your own business when you do it. If you have a hang-up about eating meat and want to stop others from doing so, you aren't any different than religious nuts with sexual hang- ups who want to run other people's sex lives for them. You guys are just religious nuts with a different obsession.

A) Your first sentence along with the second are silly logical fallacies B) I don't eat yeast and tofu C) Nor sawdust D) I don't have to subsidize your murder E) People who hunt animals and attack those who condemn it, how are you not a satanic bloodwoshiping cult?

Ninpo  posted on  2008-09-15   13:31:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Rupert_Pupkin, Rupert_Pupkin (#32)

You should also ask Team Tofu why we have such short small intestines and a reduced appendix.

We have long intestines dumbfuck. The small intestine is what, 21 feet?

Carnivores have shorter intestines. The point is, humans can eat both meat and vegan diets.

However, meat diets shorten lifespan and contribute to destructive socieites in the long term.

Sorry.

Ninpo  posted on  2008-09-15   13:34:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: mininggold, Rupert_Pupkin (#36)

fresh FECAL material at some point.

The diet of agribusiness feedlot animals everywhere.

Ninpo  posted on  2008-09-15   13:35:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Ninpo (#37)

People who hunt animals and attack those who condemn it, how are you not a satanic blood worshiping cult?

My choice of meals has nothing to do with my religion. If I'm in a cult I want it to be known as the cult of Backstrap.

duckhunter  posted on  2008-09-15   13:36:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: Ninpo (#37) (Edited)

D) I don't have to subsidize your murder E) People who hunt animals and attack those who condemn it, how are you not a satanic bloodwoshiping cult?

I learned long ago never to argue with drunks or lunatics. I don't know about your drinking habits, but the second one fits you to a T.

Like I said before, you militant vegans who want to tell people what to eat are no different from Bible thumpers who want to control people's sex lives. So go run along to your PETA meeting and bugger off.

Rupert_Pupkin  posted on  2008-09-15   13:38:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: Turtle (#1)

We have eyes that point forward. That means we are meat-eating predators.

That is fact: the human body is a meat eating machine. God--or something-- designed us that way.

AIPAC/PNAC/ADL/NAACP/FEDERAL RESERVE/SPLC/JINSA/ACLU/CHRISTIAN ZIONISTS/AEI/FEDERAL MEDIA & HOLLYWOOD: Oh, those Islamofascists.

wbales  posted on  2008-09-15   13:39:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#32)

I love animals. They're delicious.

AIPAC/PNAC/ADL/NAACP/FEDERAL RESERVE/SPLC/JINSA/ACLU/CHRISTIAN ZIONISTS/AEI/FEDERAL MEDIA & HOLLYWOOD: Oh, those Islamofascists.

wbales  posted on  2008-09-15   13:40:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: wbales (#43)

I love animals. They're delicious.

If God wanted us to be vegetarians, he wouldn't have made animals out of meat.

duckhunter  posted on  2008-09-15   13:41:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: wbales (#43)

Ham and swiss on rye, please. Toss some cold slaw in there and I'm in hog heaven.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-09-15   13:43:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#41)

So, you are telling me

A) the government does not subsidize meat eating?

or

B) Killing animals when you don't have to live off of them in this enlightened society is not satanic, or at the least lower dimensional?

Do I have this correct?

Ninpo  posted on  2008-09-15   13:49:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: Ninpo (#46) (Edited)

Killing animals when you don't have to live off of them in this enlightened society is not satanic, or at the least lower dimensional?

You remind me of my eight year old nephew. He runs around trying to impress people with big words that he's just heard, and always uses them incorrectly. What does it mean for a person to be "lower dimensional?" Does he live in flatland, or on a line?

You're an empty-headed flake like every in your face vegan I've ever met, and obviously too stupid to realize that your arguments come down to nothing more than an emotional "All those animals are so cute, you have no right to kill them?" You're also too stupid to realize that all of your shrieking on this website isn't exactly converting anyone to your Church of Vegan.

In the meantime, here's a piece of advice on how you can really help the animals. Just by living in a house, eating food, and driving a car you're taking away precious resources from animals. So why don't you PETA loons set an example to the rest of us by committing mass suicide? Maybe more will follow your enlightened example! Have at it!

Rupert_Pupkin  posted on  2008-09-15   14:00:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: Ninpo (#39)

The diet of agribusiness feedlot animals everywhere

Soooo, do as I do and raise your own. All animals intentionally eat some fecal matter throughout their lifetimes (including human babies if mom allows it) as a way of supplementing their diets. Dogs DO love to raid those kitty litter trays.

mininggold  posted on  2008-09-15   14:02:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#47)

It's the curse of Walt Disney.

mininggold  posted on  2008-09-15   14:05:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#47)

You remind me of my eight year old nephew. He runs around trying to impress people with big words that he's just heard, and always uses them incorrectly. What does it mean for a person to be "lower dimensional?" Does he live in flatland, or on a line?

You're a lightweight flake like every in your face vegan I've ever met, and obviously too stupid to realize that your arguments come down to nothing more than an emotional "All those animals are so cute, you have no right to kill them?" You're also too stupid to realize that all of your shrieking on this website isn't exactly converting anyone to your Church of Vegan.

In the meantime, here's a piece of advice on how you can really help the animals. Just by living in a house, eating food, and driving a car you're taking away precious resources from animals. So why don't you PETA loons set an example to the rest of us by committing mass suicide? Maybe more will follow your enlightened example! Have at it!

A) Dimensional Primer for the uninitiated

http://www.zakairan.com/ZaKaiRansArticlesBooks/Dimensions%204th.htm

B) You're a lightweight flake,and obviously too stupid

This is ad hominem

Web definitions for Ad Hominem In an argument, this is an attack on the person rather than on the opponent’s ideas. It comes from the Latin meaning “against the man.” kmhs.typepad.com/parrott_ap_english_langua/files/rhetorical_terms.doc - Definition in context

An ad hominem is a logical fallacy.

Ninpo  posted on  2008-09-15   14:05:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: mininggold (#49)

It's the curse of Walt Disney.

Disney cartoons are about the level of argument from the vegan set. You really feel like you're talking to a little kid who just got out from watching "Bambi."

That's why there's no point arguing with them - what kind of arguments can you make to someone whose worldview is "it's so cute, you can't kill it?"

Rupert_Pupkin  posted on  2008-09-15   14:08:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: mininggold (#48)

Soooo, do as I do and raise your own. All animals intentionally eat some fecal matter throughout their lifetimes (including human babies if mom allows it) as a way of supplementing their diets. Dogs DO love to raid those kitty litter trays.

All carnivorous pets are filthy creatures.

Watching them lick people faces (after they lick their own cocks, vaginas, and anus's) is hilarious, yet tragic...

Ninpo  posted on  2008-09-15   14:08:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: Ninpo (#52)

All carnivorous pets are filthy creatures.

Rabbits eat their poop every night. Foals eat mom's horse apples until four to six months. Calves will lick at the fresh cowpies, and baby goats and fawns gobble up the pellets. So when does the animal's behavior happen to meet with your approval?

mininggold  posted on  2008-09-15   14:14:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: mininggold (#53)

Rabbits eat their poop every night.

No they don't. They excrete a certain kind of poop that they eat, because their food is not all the way digested. It is sort of like a cow who chews their food a lot to break it down.

Rabbits also don't eat meat. Sorry. It is also a logical fallacy to assume that rabbits are dirty animals when they eat their own feces when they are not carnivores, which you seem to think are clean. So clean, they have shorter AI tracts to get rid of their waste before it putridify's.

Ninpo  posted on  2008-09-15   14:18:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: Ninpo (#54)

Rabbits also don't eat meat. Sorry. It is also a logical fallacy to assume that rabbits are dirty animals when they eat their own feces when they are not carnivores, which you seem to think are clean. So clean, they have shorter AI tracts to get rid of their waste before it putridify's.

I raise rabbits so don't tell me what they do and don't do. They eat CECAL matter which is poop, every night. They will also eat newborn aand sometimes days old litters and if in a communal situation will destroy and eat other doe's litters. Plus bucks will eat rival's ears and have been known to munch on each other's testicles.

mininggold  posted on  2008-09-15   14:24:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: mininggold (#55)

I raise rabbits so don't tell me what they do and don't do. They eat CECAL matter which is poop, every night.

Are they "domesticated" rabbits?

Did you know that rabbits eat different kinds of fecal matter?

What is "cecal" matter and does it matter if you use ALL CAPS to try to prove your point (which is moot)?

Ninpo  posted on  2008-09-15   14:27:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: Ninpo (#56)

Domestic rabbits. You know...... most rabbit breeders would love to be able to raise rabbits in a non cage situation. The biggest problem is the rabbits themselves who are very territorial and demand a private space. They are not chickens.

Also if you don't know what a CECUM is why don't you just google it? You also have one.

mininggold  posted on  2008-09-15   14:32:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: mininggold (#57)

The biggest problem is the rabbits themselves who are very territorial and demand a private space. They are not chickens.

Also if you don't know what a CECUM is why don't you just google it? You also have one.

A) You mean rabbits don't like to be caged?

Shocking

B) There is no such term as "CECAL" matter. I googled it. In ALL CAPS too.

Ninpo  posted on  2008-09-15   14:43:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: Ninpo (#58)

Rabbit live in burrows, you know what those are don't you? Long narrow restrictive tunnels underground which allow for privacy and protection from other rabbits. Cages accomplish the same thing.

I'm sorry you can't google very well but here's an excerpt from http://HouseRabbit.org about cecal material. (GIT stand for Gastro Intestinal Tract) I didn't post the illustration.

"Let's review the GIT of the rabbit to look at all the parts (see figure, right). The stomach holds the food and essentially sterilizes it with a pH of 1 to 2. The food then moves out through the small intestine where nutrients are absorbed into the body. At the junction of the small intestine and the large intestine is a large blind sac called the cecum. This is where the digestible fiber and other portions of the diet that need to be fermented are deposited. A variety of microorganisms break down this material in the cecum and convert it into nutrients such as fatty acids, amino acids and vitamins. (Please note that Lactobacillus or Acidophillus are not significant microorganisms in a rabbit's cecum). The nutrient-rich material is then excreted in the form of cecotropes (some people call these "night feces") which are eaten directly from the anus by the rabbit and redigested."

Do you ever question why your PETA friends lie to you about animal behavior?

mininggold  posted on  2008-09-15   22:51:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: mininggold (#59)

Welcome to 4, MG. It's so nice to see you here.

buckeye  posted on  2008-09-15   22:55:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: buckeye (#60)

Welcome to 4, MG. It's so nice to see you here.

Thanks.... this is a nice change from Palin 24/7.

mininggold  posted on  2008-09-15   23:03:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: mininggold (#59)

Do you ever question why your PETA friends lie to you about animal behavior?

So, what is your point?

Ninpo  posted on  2008-09-16   11:47:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: Ninpo (#62)

MG/Do you ever question why your PETA friends lie to you about animal behavior?

So, what is your point?

With your superior cognitive skills fueled by your all veggie diet, certainly you can decipher what I am getting at.

mininggold  posted on  2008-09-16   13:05:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: mininggold (#63)

With your superior cognitive skills fueled by your all veggie diet, certainly you can decipher what I am getting at.

I didn't link to anything PETA, so your point is more/less moot.

Sorry.

Ninpo  posted on  2008-09-16   13:08:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: Ninpo (#64)

I didn't link to anything PETA, so your point is more/less moot.

Sorry, but since you were repeating the PETA talking points disinfo?

Now aren't you happy that you actually did learn something new about rabbits? They are part time carnivores as are all mammal mothers who eat placentas after giving birth. Ever see a mare or a cow eat one?

mininggold  posted on  2008-09-16   13:21:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: mininggold (#65)

Yawn. I have not learned anything new for which you have cut and pasted.

You are a waste of my time. Goodbye.

Ninpo  posted on  2008-09-16   13:23:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: mininggold (#65)

Amusing, eh? This idiot repeats every PETA talking point like a broken record, and then prides itself with being some kind of deep and original thinker.

I met many of these wanna-be rebels and pseudointellectuals who latched onto one asinine political belief or another when I was in college. They were all basically the same, no matter what their flavor of the month worldview was. They were the enlightened ones, everyone else (especially their mommy and daddy) was ignorant, and if only the rest of the world would get brainwashed by the same bunk they brainwashed themselves with, we'd have a perfect world.

They bored me twenty years ago, and they bore me to this day.

Rupert_Pupkin  posted on  2008-09-16   13:32:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: Ninpo (#66)

Cows and mares will eat the total placenta, but the afterbirth will take awhile to fall out, so they usually will be away from the birthing site when it falls, giving the baby time to get up and get sucking before predators can get the scent. I have seem them even munch on the afterbirth, often while it's still hanging. Of course if it isn't expelled within a few hours we intervene usually with a hormone shot, but usually the sucking of the baby stimulates mom's own production and it falls out on it's own.

They eat placentas to protect the baby as once the placenta is removed, the babies have very little scent for predators to home in on.

Rabbits eat both the placenta and the after birth and lick up any blood that may be around. This is to protect the litter. They could care less what vegetarians think about their actions.

mininggold  posted on  2008-09-16   13:33:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#67)

Amusing, eh? This idiot repeats every PETA talking point like a broken record, and then prides itself with being some kind of deep and original thinker.

The lack of complete protein in their diet makes them subject to lethargy and lazy thinking as the brain requires a higher level of nutrition then the diet supplies if they are not extremely careful. If they take strict care with the Vegan diet it is workable, but I live in an area with lots of vegetarians call Seventh Day Adventists and most eat eggs and quite a few eat dairy products.

mininggold  posted on  2008-09-16   13:43:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: mininggold (#69)

When you've met and talked to one full-of-angst brat who signs onto some loony worldview (all because mommy and daddy didn't give them enough attention when they were growing up), you've met them all. No use arguing with them, it's like trying to prove a point to a drunk or a schizophrenic.

Rupert_Pupkin  posted on  2008-09-16   13:47:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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