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Title: Russia's Crash `Pretty Much the Same' as 1929, Micex Chief Says
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URL Source: http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news? ... &sid=a0Z7o9gkFaoA&refer=europe
Published: Oct 10, 2008
Author: William Mauldin and Ellen Pinchuk
Post Date: 2008-10-10 20:58:51 by richard9151
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Russia's Crash `Pretty Much the Same' as 1929, Micex Chief Says

By William Mauldin and Ellen Pinchuk

Oct. 8 (Bloomberg) -- The 67 percent decline in Russian equities this year resembles the U.S. stock market crash of 1929 because of the damaging effect of highly leveraged investors, the head of Russia's Micex Stock Exchange said.

Russian stocks have suffered three days of declines greater than 14 percent in the last month, spurred in part by leveraged investors reducing their holdings after margin calls from their brokers. Speculators making bets with borrowed money also contributed to the 1929 stock-market crash in the U.S.

``It's pretty much the same thing,'' Micex Chief Executive Officer Alexei Rybnikov said today in an interview. Besides the level of leverage of domestic and foreign investors in the Russian market, Rybnikov cited the lack of long-term money from institutions and the absence of government pension reform as contributing to the market collapse.

``We don't have any long-term money here,'' he said. ``We need to sit down and think about what we need to do long term to make the Russian financial system more stable.''

Following the collapse of 1929, Regulation T required U.S. investors to purchase stock only when the amount of equity in their accounts makes up 50 percent of the purchase price. Russia's Federal Financial Markets Service on Sept. 26 increased the level of equity required for stock purchases to 50 percent from the previous level of 25 percent, the lowest of any major emerging market except for South Africa.

Falling stock prices can lead investors to exceed the amount of margin borrowing allowed under regulations, leading to a call from their brokers to deposit more equity or sell shares, which can drive down prices further.

Micex

Regulators shut the Micex Stock Exchange, Russia's biggest by trading volume, for the rest of the day as well as tomorrow after the 30-stock Micex Index dropped 14 percent. The ruble- denominated index is down 67 percent from its May high, hurt by a withdrawal of cash from risky emerging markets, a drop in crude prices, and capital flight following the beginning of Russia's war with Georgia on Aug. 8.

The Micex Index currently trades at a price-to-earnings ratio of 3.9, compared with a ratio of almost 14 in May, according to data compiled by Bloomberg.

``Most of the Russian blue chips are extremely undervalued,'' Rybnikov said. ``The market will certainly find its bottom at some point.''

To contact the reporter on this story: William Mauldin in Moscow at wmauldin1@bloomberg.net.

Last Updated: October 8, 2008 07:50 EDT

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#1. To: richard9151 (#0)

It's only the leveraged parasites that are being "hurt" by the "crash." Those who bought something like Chevron or a junior oil for cash still have the same intrinsic value that they had in their company before the fall and still get their dividends as before.

Apart from their psychological effects these major corrections have to be viewed as a natural process which is necessary for the maintenance of a dynamic stockmarket. Once stocks reach a 15 to 20 times earnings there's a general reluctance to buy (and have to wait years for dividends or even capital gains). But if stocks can be made a bargain current investors will start buying and newcomers will be brought into the market, thus keeping trading volumes high.

Tatarewicz  posted on  2008-10-10   21:26:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Tatarewicz (#1)

before the fall and still get their dividends as before.

That's interesting. And how, pray tell, are those dividends going to be paid when there is no credit for commerce?

Why do you suppose there will probably be at least 5 fewer car manufactures in the world at the end of 2009?

Why has oil dropped below $85/barrel, on its way to, oh, $40 or so?

I hate to be the one to break this news to you, but this ain't a normal down market. It is the beginning of the worst, and longest, depression the world has ever suffered through, and, it was a planned event, just as every recession and depression are planned events.

Welcome to the New World Order. Happen to notice when China, today, called for a new WORLD currency? Would you suppose that was, maybe, just an off-the-cuff suggestion?

When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest.

richard9151  posted on  2008-10-11   0:12:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: richard9151 (#2)

If credit becomes completely unavailable to commerce then governments will nationalize banks, which they've begun doing via stock purchases. When zionist bankers refused to provide credit in Germany during the Depression Hitler nationalized the banks with spectacular results for the nation's economy.

Corporations paying dividends don't really need much credit since they're meeting their expenses out of sales and have a profit to pay dividends. Credit will be harder to get in the sense that those seeking it will have to do a better job of proving credit worthiness which is a good thing.

There will be fewer auto manufacturers because there are too many now. The sea of unsold vehicles in car lots attests to that. While additional car factories provide employment they also represent an enormous waste of resources on inconsequentials like making a vehicle look slightly different, resources that could be far better spent on building safer roads. Consolidating vehicle manufacture into just a few giants would reduce costs of vehicles to motorists.

China's call for a new currency is just commonsense since Bush has been squandering the dollars lent back to America on wars of aggression on behalf of Israel to the point where the American currency is becoming worthless.

Tatarewicz  posted on  2008-10-13   6:28:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Tatarewicz (#3)

If credit becomes completely unavailable to commerce then governments

Perhaps you do not understand that we use credit as a medium of exchange. Other than coinage, there is no money in circulation in America, or, for that matter, in most of the world.

If there is no credit, there is no money in circulation. That simple.

What you will see is a new banking system, an openly new world government, and, a LOT more poor, including just about everyone except those selected to serve the masters.

Oh, and one more thing you will see is WWIII. Very shortly.

When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest.

richard9151  posted on  2008-10-13   11:33:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: richard9151 (#4)

If there is no credit, there is no money in circulation.

Credit becomes available when individuals, corporations, government put forward worthwhile business plans which a bank will consider viable to the extent that the borrower will be able to pay back the loan from the sale of products, services or in the case of government, taxes or fees. Except for oil, much of which is needlessly wasted for the sake of convenience of travel, there is no shortage of resources so we are free to embark on no end of projects, perhaps even transcontinental, high-speed rail links for efficent produce distribution, quick travel to job sites, or in the case of northerners, vacations in the sun.

We'll see WWIII only if there is a huge accumulation of unemployed which the elected bozos of the past got out of town by picking a fight with some other nation rather than organizing and motivating them to do constructive work, the way Hitler and his Nazis did to get Germany out of the Depression.

Tatarewicz  posted on  2008-10-13   21:19:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Tatarewicz (#5)

pay back the loan

That's the key, right there. There is about, ummmm, 17 trillion dollars in circulation. More than 60 trillion dollars of debts. Why more debts than dollars in circulation; the first thing that has to occur in this debt-based economy is the economy has to produce enough to service the over-hanging debt.

THAT IS NO LONGER POSSIBLE. There has been all kinds of posts in the 4um explaining that the American taxpayer (to the United States government) has been taping his credit to pay the interest and principal on his debt (just like the governments have been doing) since at least 2004, to the tune of about 134% of their income. NO ONE CAN CONTINUE LIKE THAT FOR AN EXTENDED PERIOD OF TIME. At some point, the piper has to be paid, and that point has arrived.

Welcome to the New World Order, courtesy of the United States government and the international bankers.

When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest.

richard9151  posted on  2008-10-15   10:30:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: richard9151 (#0)

Russia's situation is a lot worse than that of any Western country because it has failed to diversify its economy. Its economic growth relied almost 100% on high oil prices, so when oil fell from 150 to 80 a barrel, Russia had nothing else to fall back on.

Rupert_Pupkin  posted on  2008-10-15   11:37:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: richard9151 (#6)

I think you'rplacing too much importance to dollars in circulation. Much of the economy is based not on transfer of actual dollars but on bookkeeping entries, probably debt-based. Some employers don't even issue checks anymore; just "deposit" the pay in the employee's bank account which in many cases goes on to being transferred via credit cards.

Tatarewicz  posted on  2008-10-15   21:00:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#7)

Russia's situation is a lot worse than that of any Western country because it has failed to diversify its economy.

You're looking at the glass half empty. The reverse is probably a more accurate assessment in that Russia's lack of adequate infrastructure, good- quality housing, super roads (like in Germany) presents a terrific opportunity to put millions of people to work in well-planned, co-ordinated projects, financed from Russia's currency reserves or bank credit. All the state has to do is make sure people are adequately trained to undertake projects successfully and of course motivate and organize people the way Hitler and his Nazis did to get Germany out of the Depression. Russia's ruling "elite" may well be educated enough and have enough on the ball to pull this off, but still would be wise to bring in German engineering and other technical expertise, using the money they're getting from gas exports. They certainly have enough resources inside the country for no end of undertakings.

On the other hand, look at countries with considerably more developed economies: US for example with the market saturated with automobiles; makes no sense to start more factories to build more cars, so little prospect of employment. Need I mention housing. Even the services sector, except for doctors, is saturated so there's not much room for expansion there.

The key in Russia is education and one of the few benefits of communism there was the great emphasis on education, probably only handiccapped by its focus on the state rather than the individual being the key to a dynamic economy.

Tatarewicz  posted on  2008-10-15   21:31:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Tatarewicz (#8)

I think you'rplacing too much importance to dollars in circulation.

It has nothing to do with dollars in circulation; it is all about existing debt and the ability of people/businesses to service the existing debt. If they can not service the existing debt without borrowing to pay the interest, then the econony is bankrupt. Once an economy is bankrupt, it goes into a depression. This is going to be a long, deep, and hard depression.

That is the bottom line.

When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest.

richard9151  posted on  2008-10-15   22:45:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: richard9151 (#10)

If they cannot service the existing debt without borrowing to pay interest...

Ponzi schemes have a lifetime, which like that of humans, no one knows when it will end.

Tatarewicz  posted on  2008-10-16   5:45:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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