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Title: Brainwashed Americans celebrate GENOCIDE on Columbus Day
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Published: Oct 13, 2008
Author: David Stannard
Post Date: 2008-10-13 01:46:53 by Max
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Brainwashed Americans celebrate GENOCIDE on Columbus Day [originally published 2007-10-09 01:29:11 -0500] "I certify to you that, with the help of God, we shall powerfully enter into your country and shall make war against you in all ways and manners that we can, and shall subject you to the yoke and obedience of the Church and of Their Highnesses. We shall take you and your wives and your children, and shall make slaves of them, and as such shall sell and dispose of them as Their Highnesses may command. And we shall take your goods, and shall do you all the mischief and damage that we can, as to vassals who do not obey and refuse to receive their lord and resist and contradict him." The statement Spaniards were required to read to Indians they encountered in the New World, to which the natives cannot understand because of language barrier. * * * Excerpted from "A People's History of the United States" by esteemed historian and Boston University Professor Emeritus Howard Zinn: Arawak men and women, naked, tawny, and full of wonder, emerged from their villages onto the island's beaches and swam out to get a closer look at the strange big boat. When Columbus and his sailors came ashore, carrying swords, speaking oddly, the Arawaks ran to greet them, brought them food, water, gifts. He later wrote of this in his log: "They... brought us parrots and balls of cotton and spears and many other things, which they exchanged for the glass beads and hawks' bells. They willingly traded everything they owned. . . They were well-built, with good bodies and handsome features. . . They do not bear arms, and do not know them, for I showed them a sword, they took it by the edge and cut themselves out of ignorance. They have no iron. Their spears are made of cane. . . They would make fine servants. . . With fifty men we could subjugate them all and make them do whatever we want." These Arawaks of the Bahama Islands were much like Indians on the mainland, who were remarkable (European observers were to say again and again) for their hospitality, their belief in sharing. These traits did not stand out in the Europe of the Renaissance, dominated as it was by the religion of popes, the government of kings, the frenzy for money that marked Western civilization and its first messenger to the Americas, Christopher Columbus. Columbus wrote: "As soon as I arrived in the Indies, on the first Island which I found, I took some of the natives by force in order that they might learn and might give me information of whatever there is in these parts." The information that Columbus wanted most was: Where is the gold? [...] The Indians, Columbus reported, "are so naive and so free with their possessions that no one who has not witnessed them would believe it. When you ask for something they have, they never say no. To the contrary, they offer to share with anyone. . ." He concluded his report by asking for a little help from their Majesties, and in return he would bring them from his next voyage "as much gold as they need . . . and as many slaves as they ask." He was full of religious talk: "Thus the eternal God, our Lord, gives victory to those who follow His way over apparent impossibilities." * * * American Holocaust David Stannard, Oxford University Press, 1992 Short book review describing the book's content ...Wherever the marauding, diseased, and heavily armed Spanish forces went out on patrol, accompanied by ferocious armored dogs that had been trained to kill and disembowel, they preyed on the local communities — already plague-enfeebled — forcing them to supply food and women and slaves, and whatever else the soldiers might desire. At virtually every previous landing on this trip Columbus's troops had gone ashore and killed indiscriminately, as though for sport, whatever animals and birds and natives they encountered, "looting and destroying all they found," as the Admiral's son Fernando blithely put it. Once on Hispaniola, however, Columbus fell ill — whether from the flu or, more likely, from some other malady — and what little restraint he had maintained over his men disappeared as he went through a lengthy period of recuperation. The troops went wild, stealing, killing, raping, and torturing natives, trying to force them to divulge the whereabouts of the imagined treasure—houses of gold. The Indians tried to retaliate by launching ineffective ambushes of stray Spaniards. But the combined killing force of Spanish diseases and Spanish military might was far greater than anything the natives could ever have imagined. Finally, they decided the best response was flight. Crops were left to rot in the fields as the Indians attempted to escape the frenzy of the conquistadors' attacks. Starvation then added its contribution, along with pestilence and mass murder, to the native peoples' woes. The massacres continued. Columbus remained ill for months while his soldiers wandered freely. More than 50,000 natives were reported dead from these encounters by the time the Admiral had recovered from his sickness. And when at last his health and strength had been restored Columbus's response to his men's unorganized depredations was to organize them. In March of 1495 he massed together several hundred armored troops, cavalry, and a score or more of trained attack dogs. They set forth across the countryside, tearing into assembled masses of sick and unarmed native people, slaughtering them by the thousands. The pattern set by these raids would be the model the Spanish would follow for the next decade and beyond. As Bartolome de Las Casas, the most famous of the accompanying Spanish missionaries from that trip recalled: Once the Indians were in the woods, the next step was to form squadrons and pursue them, and whenever the Spaniards found them, they pitilessly slaughtered everyone like sheep in a corral. It was a general rule among Spaniards to be cruel; not just cruel, but extraordinarily cruel so that harsh and bitter treatment would prevent Indians from daring to think of themselves as human beings or having a minute to think at all. So they would cut an Indian's hands and leave them dangling by a shred of skin and they would send him on saying "Go now, spread the news to your chiefs." They would test their swords and their manly strength on captured Indians and place bets on the slicing off of heads or the cutting of bodies in half with one blow. They burned or hanged captured chiefs." At least one chief, the man considered by Columbus to be Hispaniola's ranking native leader, was not burned or hanged, however. He was captured, put in chains, and sent off by ship for public display and imprisonment in Spain. Like most of the Indians who had been forced to make that voyage, though, he never made it to Seville: he died en route. With the same determination Columbus had shown in organizing his troops' previously disorganized and indiscriminate killings, the Admiral then set about the task of systematizing their haphazard enslavement of the natives. Gold was all that they were seeking, so every Indian on the island who was not a child was ordered to deliver to the Spanish a certain amount of the precious ore every three months. When the gold was delivered the individual was presented with a token to wear around his or her neck as proof that the tribute had been paid. Anyone found without the appropriate number of tokens had his hands cut off. Since Hispaniola's gold supply was far less than what the Spaniards' fantasies suggested, Indians who wished to survive were driven to seek out their quotas of the ore at the expense of other endeavors, including food production. The famines that had begun earlier, when the Indians attempted to hide from the Spanish murderers, now grew much worse, while new diseases that the Spanish carried with them preyed ever more intensely on the malnourished and weakened bodies of the natives. And the soldiers never ceased to take delight in killing just for fun. Spanish reports of their own murderous sadism during this time are legion. For a lark they "tore babes from their mother's breast by their feet, and dashed their heads against the rocks." The bodies of other infants "they spitted. . . together with their mothers and all who were before them, on their swords." On one famous occasion in Cuba a troop of a hundred or more Spaniards stopped by the banks of a dry river and sharpened their swords on the whetstones in its bed. Eager to compare the sharpness of their blades, reported an eyewitness to the events, they drew their weapons and began to rip open the bellies, to cut and kill those lambs—men, women, children, and old folk, all of whom were seated, off guard and frightened, watching the mares and the Spaniards. And within two credos, not a man of all of them there remains alive. The Spaniards enter the large house nearby, for this was happening at its door, and in the same way, with cuts and stabs, begin to kill as many as they found there, so that a stream of blood was running, as if a great number of cows had perished. . . To see the wounds which covered the bodies of the dead and dying was a spectacle of horror and dread. This particular slaughter began at the village of Zucayo, where the townsfolk earlier had provided for the conquistadors a feast of cassava, fruit, and fish. From there it spread. No one knows just how many Indians the Spanish killed in this sadistic spree, but Las Casas put the number at well over 20,000 before the soldiers' thirst for horror had been slaked. Another report, this one by a group of concerned Dominican friars, concentrated on the way the Spanish soldiers treated native infants: Some Christians encounter an Indian woman, who was carrying in her arms a child at suck; and since the dog they had with them was hungry, they tore the child from the mother's arms and flung it still living to the dog, who proceeded to devour it before the mother's eyes.... When there were among the prisoners some women who had recently given birth, if the new-born babes happened to cry, they seized them by the legs and hurled them against the rocks, or flung them into the jungle so that they would be certain to die there. Or, Las Casas again, in another incident he witnessed: The Spaniards found pleasure in inventing all kinds of odd cruelties, the more cruel the better, with which to spill human blood. They built a long gibbet, low enough for the toes to touch the ground and prevent strangling, and hanged thirteen [natives] at a time in honor of Christ Our Saviour and the twelve Apostles. When the Indians were thus still alive and hanging, the Spaniards tested their strength and their blades against them, ripping chests open with one blow and exposing entrails, and there were those who did worse. Then, straw was wrapped around their torn bodies and they were burned alive. One man caught two children about two years old, pierced their throats with a dagger, then hurled them down a precipice. If some of this has a sickeningly familiar ring to readers who recall the massacres at My Lai and Song My and other Vietnamese villages in the not too distant past, the familiarity is reinforced by the term the Spanish used to describe their campaign of terror: "pacification." But as horrific as those bloodbaths were in Vietnam, in sheer magnitude they were as nothing compared with what happened on the single island of Hispaniola five hundred years ago: the island's population of about eight million people at the time of Columbus's arrival in 1492 already had declined by a third to a half before the year 1496 was out. And after 1496 the death rate, if anything, accelerated. [...] [source] And we know who the most infamous conquistadors reveling in mass-scale warfare and massacres are, i.e. Hernan Cortez and Francisco Pizarro. In other words... The celebration of Columbus Day is condoning and advocating genocide to uphold the intrinsically human nature of ABSOLUTE POWER and UNADULTERATED GREED. Seven years ago, I read the books "American Holocaust" and "A People's History of the United States" that describe the terrible atrocities in detail. I recommend these books at your local library. Celebrating Columbus Day is equal to tolerating the horrific subjugation of Native Americans by oppression and bestial violence in the past. Of course, some diverse native Americans, such as the Mayans and Aztecs, are not spared criticism for horrific human sacrifices and cannibalism, either. Whereas Zionists insist the Holocaust of WWII is more important and must serve as propaganda to generate sympathy in primary & secondary schools, it does not dilute the fact the genocide of Native American populations is the largest ever seen in the history of humankind. The hell with the pro-racist and pro-genocide Columbus Day, it should be changed to Conquistador Day. * * * Russell Means speaks at the rally condemning Columbus Day in Denver, October 7, 2007 (8 min) Posted in Atrocities brainwashing Columbus Day crimes against humanity depravity evil genocide Greed history holocaust horror human rights Imperialism obscene propaganda violence Nepos Libertas's blog Login or register to post comments Comment viewing options Flat list - collapsedFlat list - expandedThreaded list - collapsedThreaded list - expanded Date - newest firstDate - oldest first 10 comments per page30 comments per page50 comments per page70 comments per page90 comments per page150 comments per page200 comments per page250 comments per page300 comments per page Select your preferred way to display the comments and click "Save settings" to activate your changes.??? I disagree with this one point in the preceding post: [[Some Christians encounter an Indian woman, who was carrying in her arms a child at suck; and since the dog they had with them was hungry, they tore the child from the mother's arms and flung it still living to the dog, who proceeded to devour it before the mother's eyes.]] This really throws the BS meter way off the scale. In fact the needle nearly flung itself across the room! No intelligent person questions the Spaniard's practices during that time; but the above tome is pure BS propaganda. (Ooohhh... It was the Spaniards who also unleashed the dreaded Chupacabra upon Mexico as an act of resentment because it turned out there were actually not "seven cities of gold") Cranston | Tue, 2007-10-09 12:23 Cranston, that's why I included "propaganda" tag That's up to readers to decide what to believe. However, the author of American Holocaust derived some accounts from the source called "A Short Account of the Destruction of the Indies" by Bartolome de las Casas, a Spanish missionary who was a witness to the atrocities. Literature on the account by las Casas can be read here and here. A biographical essay on las Casas and chronology. From Bartolome's Brief Account of the Destruction of Indies: There are two main ways in which those who have traveled to this part of the world pretending to be Christians have uprooted these pitiful peoples and wiped them from the face of the earth. First, they have waged war on them: unjust, cruel, bloody and tyrannical war. Second, they have murdered anyone and everyone who has shown the slightest sign of resistance, or even of wishing to escape the torment to which they have subjected him. This latter policy has been instrumental in suppressing the native leaders, and, indeed, given that the Spaniards normally spare only women and children, it has led to the annihilation of all adult males, whom they habitually subject to the harshest and most iniquitous and brutal slavery that man has ever devised for his fellow-men, treating them, in fact, worse than animals. All the many and infinitely varied ways that have been devised for oppressing these peoples can be seen to flow from one or other of these two diabolical and tyrannical policies. The reason the Christians have murdered on such a vast scale and killed anyone and everyone in their way is purely and simply greed. They have set out to line their pockets with gold and to amass private fortunes as quickly as possible so that they can then assume a status quite at odds with that into which they were born. Their insatiable greed and overweening ambition know no bounds; the land is fertile and rich, the inhabitants simple, forbearing and submissive. . . -- My blog Last Throes of US Empire Nepos Libertas | Tue, 2007-10-09 12:49 Oops, correct link & book info Re: literature on account by Las Casas - second link Available at Amazon.com - List of Las Casas books in English translation American Holocaust: The Conquest of the New World A Little Matter of Genocide: Holocaust and Denial in the Americas, 1492 to the Present by Ward Churchill (the same author who called the working technocrat WTC 9-11 victims "Little Eichmanns") Nepos Libertas | Tue, 2007-10-09 13:15Must Reads . . . Decline of the West - Death by Fiat Why is it so HARD to find a JOB? Why freedom isn't ‘free’ Why life isn't ‘Fair’ How the rich get richer Home Sweet Hoax - the Myth of ‘Home Ownership’ The Myth of Scarcity The Simple Truth Go, Rep. Kaptur! Tell Wall Street to Go To Hell!!! 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#1. To: Max (#0)
You're a nutcase.
The stupider people are, the more surprised they are when you kill them.
God Bless Christopher Columbus. Fuck you max.
Great post, Thanks. Columbus and his fellow butchers should of had their heads removed the second they landed on this hemosphere's soil.
This crowd is responsible for pushing so much BS up to and including the "Scofield Reference Bible"
rob... Perhaps you have read the post by Christine, author Edgar Steele? I am constantly dissuaded from posting to you on such threads directly.
I agree with your sentiments. A study of European history reveals the Spanish of that time, for whatever reason, to have been especially cruel, and that in a time of cruelty. If they had listened to Cabeza de Vaca learned advice and practiced an Ottoman form of moderate colony rule, the Spanish Empire could have dominated the globe. Their extreme religious fanaticism and greed seems to be the motivators for the actions of the Conquestadors. I have read that Queen Isabella soon had Indian slaves carrying her around. Everyone needs to read de Vaca's "La Relacion" New Mexico University press. If America were interested in history instead of silly nation building myths that are typical of high school history, La Relacion would be rewuired reading for all HS students. Columbus was a monster, a product of a monsterious era.
"Satan / Cheney in "08" That one is a clear travesty.
"Satan / Cheney in "08" A Mexican movie about his wanderings in America is well worth seeing if you can find it. However, IIRC, the movie's title was "Cabreza de Vaca". A absolutely phenomenal image in the movie is of a bunch of chained Indians, collectively carrying upon their shoulders a silver cross the size of a truck.
Hey Thanks A LOT - I am a real fan of his, and didn't know about the movie. Just so happen to be reading Bishop's "Oddesey of Cabeza de Vaca" published in 1933 and somewhat difficult to obtain. I see that it is going into his Paraguayian adventure that I have tried to find out more about for years, so I am pretty excited about finding this book. I have been to the hot springs he writes about in his "Relacion", it today is called Oja Caliente located in N New Mexico. Currently a small resort.
"Satan / Cheney in "08" First, back then most killing was up close. I have no explanation for the treatment of babies, children, and women - none. Could they have learned any of this in their battles with the Moors?
The Old Testament was their manual. Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass. -I Samuel 15:3 I can give you tons more examples if you wish.
Well, the US Army did it's share. The "Battle" of Palo Duro Canyon in Texas. The wiping out of Chief Joseph and the Nez Perce in the Bitterroot's; another deadend canyon turns into a trap for the elderly, infirm, women and children.
An interesting woodcut I happened to see concerned a group of Spanish soldiers held prisoner by one of the Indian tribes. The Indians killed them by pouring melted gold down their gullets.
Good grief - what did Amalek do to deserve that? (A rhetorical question) Now that you mention it, there was a lot of 'smiting' going on in the OT. The Church back then was a bit light on the Prince of Peace concept.
To the hardcore Tribal members, the entire world is Amalek. More on the Murder Manual that the Spanish/Jews used in the New World: Kill Sons of Sinners Make ready to slaughter his sons for the guilt of their fathers; Lest they rise and posses the earth, and fill the breadth of the world with tyrants. (Isaiah 14:21 NAB) God Will Kill Children The glory of Israel will fly away like a bird, for your children will die at birth or perish in the womb or never even be conceived. Even if your children do survive to grow up, I will take them from you. It will be a terrible day when I turn away and leave you alone. I have watched Israel become as beautiful and pleasant as Tyre. But now Israel will bring out her children to be slaughtered." O LORD, what should I request for your people? I will ask for wombs that don't give birth and breasts that give no milk. The LORD says, "All their wickedness began at Gilgal; there I began to hate them. I will drive them from my land because of their evil actions. I will love them no more because all their leaders are rebels. The people of Israel are stricken. Their roots are dried up; they will bear no more fruit. And if they give birth, I will slaughter their beloved children." (Hosea 9:11-16 NLT) Kill Men, Women, and Children "Then I heard the LORD say to the other men, "Follow him through the city and kill everyone whose forehead is not marked. Show no mercy; have no pity! Kill them all – old and young, girls and women and little children. But do not touch anyone with the mark. Begin your task right here at the Temple." So they began by killing the seventy leaders. "Defile the Temple!" the LORD commanded. "Fill its courtyards with the bodies of those you kill! Go!" So they went throughout the city and did as they were told." (Ezekiel 9:5-7 NLT) God Kills all the First Born of Egypt And at midnight the LORD killed all the firstborn sons in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn son of Pharaoh, who sat on the throne, to the firstborn son of the captive in the dungeon. Even the firstborn of their livestock were killed. Pharaoh and his officials and all the people of Egypt woke up during the night, and loud wailing was heard throughout the land of Egypt. There was not a single house where someone had not died. (Exodus 12:29-30 NLT) Kill Old Men and Young Women "You are my battle-ax and sword," says the LORD. "With you I will shatter nations and destroy many kingdoms. With you I will shatter armies, destroying the horse and rider, the chariot and charioteer. With you I will shatter men and women, old people and children, young men and maidens. With you I will shatter shepherds and flocks, farmers and oxen, captains and rulers. "As you watch, I will repay Babylon and the people of Babylonia for all the wrong they have done to my people in Jerusalem," says the LORD. "Look, O mighty mountain, destroyer of the earth! I am your enemy," says the LORD. "I will raise my fist against you, to roll you down from the heights. When I am finished, you will be nothing but a heap of rubble. You will be desolate forever. Even your stones will never again be used for building. You will be completely wiped out," says the LORD. (Jeremiah 51:20-26) (Note that after God promises the Israelites a victory against Babylon, the Israelites actually get their butts kicked by them in the next chapter. So much for an all-knowing and all-powerful God.) God Will Kill the Children of Sinners If even then you remain hostile toward me and refuse to obey, I will inflict you with seven more disasters for your sins. I will release wild animals that will kill your children and destroy your cattle, so your numbers will dwindle and your roads will be deserted. (Leviticus 26:21-22 NLT) More Rape and Baby Killing Anyone who is captured will be run through with a sword. Their little children will be dashed to death right before their eyes. Their homes will be sacked and their wives raped by the attacking hordes. For I will stir up the Medes against Babylon, and no amount of silver or gold will buy them off. The attacking armies will shoot down the young people with arrows. They will have no mercy on helpless babies and will show no compassion for the children. (Isaiah 13:15-18 NLT) American Indians were ghastly in their treatment of captives -- Indians, whites, whatever. They always had been, which is why they were wiped out. One guy had his belly cut open, his guts taken out, nailed to a tree, and then he was forced to walk around the tree, his guts unwinding, until he died. They were also notorious for bashing babies' brains out. Good riddance to them.
The stupider people are, the more surprised they are when you kill them.
American Indians were basically cavemen, and North America would still be in the Stone Age if Europeans never arrived. If cavemen had to be pushed aside to make room for civilization, I'm not going to lose sleep over it. I don't see too many PC liberals who cry about "genocide" and "land theft" against those poor Indians in any rush to give up all of the wealth and comforts of western culture. And I don't see any of them donating their property to the nearest Indian Casino...or is it reservation, either. But if talking about the evil white man makes them feel morally superior and gives their lives meaning, let them have at it.
The fact that such history is used by Left Wingers to advance their modernist agendas doesn't make this history any less true. What is untrue is the whitewashed history we were all raised on. And even the argument that by the standards of the time Columbus was just doing what would have been done in any conquest or warfare is just not true. The wars against the Moors were never so brutal as the murderous carnage inflicted by the Spanish in South America. Wars in europe were not waged with murderous racist ferocity as they were in South America. In fact- calling what was done to the Indians "war" is an insult to wars. It was murder. Those not killed by disease were killed off under starvation level hard labor slavery or simply butchered. The Spanish did such a good job of extermination that by 1550 there wasn't one pure blood Indian alive on Hispaniola (Haiti/Domincan republic) out of a population of over a million. There is not a pure blooded indigenous population in the whole Caribbean today. The dirtiest most depraved and criminal filthy sacks of shit from Europe wandered about the caribbean murdering, raping, pillaging for 100 years until they had killed or raped out of existence dozens of races and language groups. Only geography and numbers made it harder to duplicate this "success" on the mainland of South America but they gave it good shot and ALMOST succeeded there as well. But alas-- a few full bloods still survive in the center of South America and the deep jungles of Central America and Southern Mexico. North American Indians fared slightly better than the their South American cousins- but not much more so and one could argue that culturally they fared worse. Trying to deny this because one was raised on feel good bullshit is just silly.
It's not a question of denying it, it's a question of whether whites have to go around apologizing for every non-white group of people in the world, and for things that happened hundreds of years ago. In the long run, the colonization of the New World was a net plus. You have to break some eggs to make an omelet. Now it's done, and normal people can move on while PC liberals can pat themselves on the back for how "enlightened" they are for feigning guilt over who did what to whom almost half a millenium ago. It's in the same category as slavery. I acknowledge that slavery existed and that it wasn't an institution that I defend, but that doesn't mean that I have to support reparations, affirmative action, or the rest of the victim politics agenda.
No- you just want to simply ignore that history and live in a fantasy land of lies. This has nothing to with "PC Liberals". The men who wrote down what they did then- were not "PC". Some wrote in all candor of their depraved muderous ways- others wrote in horror to what they witnessed. Whites go around apologizing? What? Whatever man. It's a question of truth. I don't feel I have to apologize for anything- I wasn't alive then. That you do- is your gig. But I'm not going to sit around and demand that everyone respect bullshit lies that I was raised on either and get offended when they point out the truth- cause that is what it is- the truth- Europeans came here- and raped and murdered and butchered their way across the continent. Are the pathetic remnants of Indians still alive today supposed to be grateful to "whites" now because they have cast iron skillets and plastic water jugs to fetch water with?
Ah yes- the justification of every murderous ideologue of the 20th century.
Fine- then don't celebrate "Columbus day". Move on. If you want to bury the past - fine. Bury it. But don't ask people to celebrate feel good, one sided, myths and lies.
The Old Testament was their manual. I think you are prolly correct on a lot of that. The Spanish churches were wallowing in bloody icons and disembowled mayters and the like. That had to affect the general mores. Certainly the Reconquista, ending in 1492, had made the Spanish hard as nails and without mercy to Moors as well as their own country men. Bizarre, to us, concepts of chivilery and honor were commonplace in Iberia. Honor duals were fairly commonplace.
"Satan / Cheney in "08" I seem to recall Crassis ? a Roman General ending in a similar manner by the Scythians, bout 100 BC.
"Satan / Cheney in "08" I suppose they should be particularly grateful for the processed food that goes into their skillets and the chemically poisoned the water in their plastic jugs. And we should be grateful for that, too. Ya know, "give us this day our daily carcinogens" and all that.
A little later than that, but I wasn't aware that's how he died. A protege of Caesar's, he led a campaign into Mesopotamia. The story behind the woodcut was the Indians determined the Spanish had major gold fever and decided to give them what they want, after they ambushed and took captive the marauding Spainiards.
You've got the fever, we've got the cure.
#2. To: Max (#0)
#3. To: Max (#0)
"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn
#4. To: Max (#0)
Oxford University Press
#5. To: robnoel (#4)
#6. To: Ferret Mike (#3)
Great post, Thanks. Columbus and his fellow butchers should of had their heads removed the second they landed on this hemosphere's soil.
#7. To: robnoel (#4)
including the "Scofield Reference Bible"
#8. To: tom007 (#6)
Cabeza de Vaca
#9. To: swarthyguy (#8)
A Mexican movie about his wanderings in America is well worth seeing if you can find it. However, IIRC, the movie's title was "Cabreza de Vaca".
#10. To: tom007. history buffs. all (#6)
A study of European history reveals the Spanish of that time, for whatever reason, to have been especially cruel, and that in a time of cruelty.
#11. To: lodwick, tom007, Cynicom, Ridinshotgun, Tauzero (#10)
I have no explanation for the treatment of babies, children, and women - none.
#12. To: lodwick (#10)
#13. To: tom007 (#9)
#14. To: bluegrass (#11)
I can give you tons more examples if you wish.
#15. To: lodwick (#14)
#16. To: swarthyguy (#13)
The Indians killed them by pouring melted gold down their gullets.
#17. To: Turtle (#16)
(Edited)
#18. To: tom007 (#6)
#19. To: Burkeman1 (#18)
(Edited)
Trying to deny this because one was raised on feel good bullshit is just silly.
#20. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#19)
#21. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#19)
You have to break some eggs to make an omelet.
#22. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#19)
Now it's done, and normal people can move on
#23. To: bluegrass, lodwick (#11)
I have no explanation for the treatment of babies, children, and women - none.
#24. To: swarthyguy (#13)
The Indians killed them by pouring melted gold down their gullets.
#25. To: Burkeman1 (#20)
Are the pathetic remnants of Indians still alive today supposed to be grateful to "whites" now because they have cast iron skillets and plastic water jugs to fetch water with?
#26. To: tom007 (#24)
#27. To: swarthyguy (#26)
The story behind the woodcut was the Indians determined the Spanish had major gold fever and decided to give them what they want, after they ambushed and took captive the marauding Spainiards.
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