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Title: LP Member, Corn Flake Girl, Attempts to Silence/Intimidate/ Fellow Member With Secret Service (Rumor -> Corn Flake Girl=Ferret Mike?)
Source: El Pee
URL Source: http://libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=242074&Disp=All
Published: Oct 15, 2008
Author: Murron
Post Date: 2008-10-15 23:53:30 by Rotara
Keywords: None
Views: 3382
Comments: 160

LP Member, Corn Flake Girl, Attempts to Silence/Intimidate Fellow Member With Secret Service

(#144) "And the Secret Service is in the modus to investigate the remotest possibility of a threat environment endangering someone on their 'A' list of whom they look out for". LP Member, Corn Flake Girl

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances".

"If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear." - George Orwell, Preface to Animal Farm (1946)

"If you're in favor of free speech, then you're in favor of freedom of speech precisely for views you despise. Otherwise, you're not in favor of free speech." Noam Chomsky, Manufacturing Consent: Noam Chomsky and the Media (1992).

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We must never allow people like Corn Flake Girl to impede or stop us from defending our right to speak, to express, to write and to tell the truth, to be the watchdog, eyes and ears of the people, or simply to share our view, and give fair comment on any subject which involves and affects us as humans, as rightful citizens of this country.

Most of us have fought censorship all of our adult life. To me, the most precious of all rights in this marvelous country called the United States of America is the freedom to think, write and say whatever is on your mind... That freedom also extends to thoughts that are stupid, ignorant or incendiary. No one needs a First Amendment to write about how cute newborn babies are or to publish a recipe for strawberry shortcake. Nobody needs a First Amendment for innocuous or popular points of view. That's point one. Point two is that the majority-you and I-must always protect the right of a minority-even a minority of one-to express the most outrageous and offensive ideas. Only then is total freedom of expression guaranteed."

The price of freedom of religion, or of speech, or of the press, is that we must put up with a good deal of rubbish.

If we suppress ideas we don't like, the proponents of those ideas will probably fester in secret societies and explode in double-plus ungood ways and we will like those results even less. If we allow people to see their ideas, and we ignore them, they've had their chance and they don't have to feel cheated about not getting exposure. Or if we really don't like their ideas and really need to keep them from convincing other people to believe in them, the answer is to tell people why and they'll learn. But you can't just beat people up because you dislike their stupid opinion.

If we go that route, then ignorant, faceless people like "Corn Flake Girl" will use their intimidation and force us to suppress any opinion they don't like, and maybe support opinions we don't like. Then what you get is a society of brutality where it isn't the best ideas that are seen by others, it's only the ideas that have the most vicious thugs to back them up. And it becomes very hard for people to be willing to express any opinion if someone can just pop them one because they say something someone else doesn't like.

As responsible members of LibertyPost, we demand and claim our space on the Internet for free and fair comment, where important national issues and prominent personalities are discussed.

Corn Flake Girl! If you find my posts offensive, you may, at any time, refute me with correct facts and figures and fair comment, in the spirit of free speech, but you will never silence me with threats of intimidation by the Secret Service, or any Law Enforcement. And if you ever do attempt something so stupid, you had better get your facts straight, because I do not tuck tale and run from you, or anyone who attempts to silence me. ~ Murron


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Corn Flake/Ferret, do you have anything to say for yourself - you demented little goofy girl you?

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#51. To: nikki (#39)

A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear.

Cicero Marcus Tullius

Thank you for this, nikki. Truly timeless words.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-10-16   22:06:46 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: Rotara (#49)

Only a neocon could of articulated such puerile intolerance of political though, congratulations.


"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-10-16   22:13:56 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: Ferret Mike (#52)

So, is it a yes or no to your pseudonym being corn flake girl?

angle  posted on  2008-10-16   22:26:38 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: Ferret Mike (#47)

Sadly, too many Americans feel any show of political efficacy to be lunacy. This is a shame, as you get the best government in a republic like ours with maximum participation of all citizens.

My problem is not well intended and good hearted people. The problem is that their actions are visited as tyrannies upon those who disagree. My preference is a very libertarian - you don't intrude upon my liberty and I won't intrude upon yours. I believe in, and support, your right to believe and act as you wish, but only so far as it does not harm another. The kinds of well meaning angst ridden socialist tyrannies espoused by such as is popular in the gulag state of enslaving "love" which is offered up as sound in Eugene I oppose to the very innermost depths of my being. I will be no man's slave and will fight any "well meaning" socialist state Proletarian Slave system - where everyone is equal but some are more equal than others.

Democracy is Two Wolves and a Sheep voting on what's for dinner. (With credit to Benjamin Franklin.)

"The Government Which Governs Best Governs not at all." ~ Henry David Thoreau

"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-10-16   22:32:13 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: Jethro Tull (#51)

Thank you for this, nikki. Truly timeless words.

Yw.

Allowing it further rains suspect upon it's host.

nikki  posted on  2008-10-16   22:32:36 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: Ferret Mike, Rotara (#52)

Only a neocon could of articulated such puerile intolerance of political though, congratulations.

What part of opposition to socialist enslavement do you find intolerant and why?

"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-10-16   22:34:29 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: Rotara (#4)

I trust my sources.

Why do you even give a shit what goes on at that site anyway?


I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs. —Thomas Jefferson, 1802

farmfriend  posted on  2008-10-16   22:39:36 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: Ferret Mike, rotara (#22)

Murron's posting of a picture of a hangman's noose in a thread discussing a Secret Service protectee was blatantly racist and threatening in tone,

They still doing that over there? I saved the ones that were posted to me.


I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs. —Thomas Jefferson, 1802

farmfriend  posted on  2008-10-16   22:44:55 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: christine (#26)

Murron has a biracial grandson so she would be the last to post a picture that was meant to convey the lynching of blacks. it was intended for teasonous, corrupt politicians of any color.

Sorry Christine. I find that just as unacceptable as Byteshredder posting pictures suggesting the hanging of lobbyists to a known lobbyist.


I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs. —Thomas Jefferson, 1802

farmfriend  posted on  2008-10-16   22:47:48 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: Ferret Mike (#37)

I came back on recently as my old friend ALS has been posting there as byte shredder and I have been enjoying our very old rivalry and politics of contention. ;-)

Byteshredder is a comtemptable person who steals others work, makes threats etc. He is the worst and should have been banned in my opinion.


I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs. —Thomas Jefferson, 1802

farmfriend  posted on  2008-10-16   22:52:38 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: farmfriend, Ferret Mike (#60)

Byteshredder is a comtemptable person who steals others work, makes threats etc. He is the worst and should have been banned in my opinion.

Goldi-Pox, from what I was told in a PM, invited him over to post in defense of Israel as there were too many posters, such as moi, who were pointing out that Israel's actions on the West Bank and Gaza are no different in kind than those of the Turd Reich.

So, Goldi-Pox will never ban 'botshiller as he's her "boy".

"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-10-16   22:57:53 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: Rotara (#12)

In the true world socialist spirit that deep down electrifies you, I'll take yours. How's that?

Cool, can I watch?

It's the second mouse that gets the cheese

Flintlock  posted on  2008-10-16   23:06:06 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: farmfriend (#59)

that was a direct threat to you, so i can understand and respect your opinion on this. again, i saw Murron's jpg as not directed at any specific target. let me ask, would you have found it less offensive if the words were used (i.e. get rope, they deserve hanging) rather than the image?

Do You Know What Freedom Really Means? Freedom4um.com

christine  posted on  2008-10-16   23:07:05 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: farmfriend (#60)

Byteshredder is Cash Wakefield of Wichita, KA, the webmaster of several sites including Conservababes. He was at el pee as ALS/AtomicliberalSmasher during the 2004 election cycle with an evil bitch named Charity in tow.

He is extremely fascist, a neocon and free speech's worst nightmare.

http://www.alexa.com/data/details/main/conservababes.com


"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-10-16   23:22:17 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: Original_Intent (#61)

Cash Wakefield A K A Byteshredder/ALS is a fervently devout Israel rapture monkey. He believes God made the divine choice of Bush as our president, and he doesn't give a damn about McCain, but he love Palin.

Goldi temp banned RaisedEyeBrows and me for embedding double entendre references to his real name once. Ghost of Quantrill and others also falsely blamed me for Charity's (also there as GoodSeedHomeSchool) departure from el pee.

One of the reasons I was banned as CFG this time was my very overt outing of what his mindset is and inference that indeed I do know who he is and where he lives.

She likes him there as her goon to control Democratic Party booster opposition to approved neocon candidates every election time. There is no free speech at el pee, the verbiage on the home page is a lie. It is like a movie set propped up fake building front with no substance to it.


"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-10-16   23:33:23 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: farmfriend (#59)

"Sorry Christine. I find that just as unacceptable as Byteshredder posting pictures suggesting the hanging of lobbyists to a known lobbyist."

Moi aussi.


"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-10-16   23:34:30 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: Original_Intent (#56)

"What part of opposition to socialist enslavement do you find intolerant and why?"

It is a perfectly legitamate political paradigm in the marketplace of political thought. I am no fan of Marx and Engels, but the U.S. Constitution gives the right of freedom of speech and association.

I have faith in their complete lack of ability to change the U.S. government into a collectivistic socialist entity.

That killing and oppressing people like say the RCP and the CPUSA only gives them the power and glamor of the oppressed and makes them more attractive.

You cannot kill ideas by the oppression of them. The sparks from stamping out several RCP cells only sends out human sparks the form new cells, new fires; it only exacerbates the size and popularity of those groups you might hate.


"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-10-16   23:41:09 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: christine (#63)

would you have found it less offensive if the words were used (i.e. get rope, they deserve hanging) rather than the image?

Probably. Especially if it was not directed at me but a general statement.


I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs. —Thomas Jefferson, 1802

farmfriend  posted on  2008-10-16   23:46:02 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: Ferret Mike (#64)

He is extremely fascist, a neocon and free speech's worst nightmare.

Yeah that would be my take. He had quite a following at LP as well. I never did understand it.


I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs. —Thomas Jefferson, 1802

farmfriend  posted on  2008-10-16   23:47:26 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: angle (#53)

"So, is it a yes or no to your pseudonym being corn flake girl?"

I thought I made it very clear I am indeed the individual who had the CFG returning bannee account.

I have always post openly as myself, using my real name. To me, returning bannee accounts are merely tools -- and I have bedeviled FR with hundreds of them, including some with female aliases as that is always good cover I felt I needed with a returning bannee account at LP because Sally controls her mom and pop forum so tightly.

Since I started posting at ALS. Byteshredder, she had altered my cookie so I only stayed signed in a short time, and she seems to have more then one time setting on this forum control function.

I have watched a long time and noted she kept obvious returning bannee accounts open for a spell after it was obvious she was hip to the game, and that factored into my dropping of the very few style alterations I initially made to my early posts in that account.


"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-10-16   23:48:54 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: Ferret Mike (#70)

she kept obvious returning bannee accounts open for a spell after it was obvious she was hip to the game,

JimRob would do that too. He allowed me to stay when I was posting under my FOG handle. Then he banned me when it served his purposes to protect FairOpinion even though I had done nothing wrong.


I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs. —Thomas Jefferson, 1802

farmfriend  posted on  2008-10-16   23:51:47 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: Ferret Mike (#64)

My friend Seadogbytes made this graphic after I caught Byteshredder stealing his work.


I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs. —Thomas Jefferson, 1802

farmfriend  posted on  2008-10-16   23:55:12 ET  (1 image) [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: farmfriend (#71)

Sally I found out this time is sharing IP numbers with FR. My returning bannee account at Free Republic currently was shut off an hour after CFG was banned. It is amazing what information you can mine with this sort of probing.


"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-10-16   23:56:07 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: Ferret Mike (#65)

He didn't like me one little bit - I used links and data he could not refute re Israel's Crimes Against Humanity as well as anti-zionazi Jews speaking up which drove him berserk.

I had him wound so tight one night that all he could post was "I hate you". I was so proud.

"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-10-16   23:56:27 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: farmfriend (#72)

Heehee, I love it.


"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-10-16   23:58:49 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: Ferret Mike (#73)

Sally I found out this time is sharing IP numbers with FR.

Doesn't surprise me.

My returning bannee account at Free Republic currently was shut off an hour after CFG was banned.

I have no desire to return to that place. I was going to say JimRob could kiss my ass but I really wouldn't want to be that close to the man.


I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs. —Thomas Jefferson, 1802

farmfriend  posted on  2008-10-17   0:00:35 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: farmfriend (#76)

Yeah, must be rough to be a FReep these days, Jimmie Boie has less feet to kiss these days. But he still has an acre of rancid ass for them to brown nose into, so they'll survive.


"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-10-17   0:02:45 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: Ferret Mike, christine, Rotara, TwentyTwelve, Wudidiz, Pinguinite, all (#73)

Sally I found out this time is sharing IP numbers with FR. My returning bannee account at Free Republic currently was shut off an hour after CFG was banned. It is amazing what information you can mine with this sort of probing.

That is an interesting data point. Thank you.

Now we know that despite appearances and protestations to the contrary that El Pee and Fraud Republic have the same handlers.

The question is who?

Mossad?

ADL?

AIPAC?

JINSA?

Likely one of those 4 or CIA.

"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-10-17   0:02:56 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: Ferret Mike (#75)

He was not happy that I accused him of theft. Nor were his followers. He would copy Seadog's work, alter it and pass it off as his own. He claimed the logo Seadog puts on there was still visible so it wasn't really theft.

I post Seadog's work all the time but I link directly to his site and I don't alter it.


I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs. —Thomas Jefferson, 1802

farmfriend  posted on  2008-10-17   0:04:39 ET  (1 image) [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: Ferret Mike (#77)

But he still has an acre of rancid ass for them to brown nose into, so they'll survive.

Oh man. Did you have to place that picture in my head right before I go to bed?


I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs. —Thomas Jefferson, 1802

farmfriend  posted on  2008-10-17   0:05:43 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#81. To: Original_Intent (#74) (Edited)

"I had him wound so tight one night that all he could post was "I hate you". I was so proud"

Bravo. I can picture that as I've done that to him as well. RaisedEyeBrows and I would post in the same office here in Eugene and tag team the dog crap out of the poor boy.

I remembered him enough to have this account waiting to snipe at him once election time came around, and he jumped into my kill zone by returning to el pee as I anticipated he would.

It was much satisfying to tweak his nose with the polling so tearing at him and worrying him so. I wouldn't have missed doing this particular run for the world.


"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-10-17   0:07:36 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#82. To: Ferret Mike, Original_Intent (#81)

I have to be to work at 4am so I'm going to call it a night. Take care.


I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs. —Thomas Jefferson, 1802

farmfriend  posted on  2008-10-17   0:10:59 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#83. To: farmfriend (#82)

G'night, have good dreams. ;-)


"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-10-17   0:12:31 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#84. To: Ferret Mike (#81)

It was much satisfying to tweak his nose with the polling so tearing at him and worrying him so. I wouldn't have missed doing this particular run for the world.

Bravo Zulu. While I'm not an uh, uh, Obama fan, I despise McNutz equally and having 'botshiller wound up in his Republican Worship and the prospect of, shudder, having a filthy lib'rul win is priceless. He is such a maroon, and such an ill mannered churl that it couldn't happen to a "nicer" guy.

"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-10-17   0:16:30 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#85. To: farmfriend (#82)

Sleep well. Good evening fair madam.

"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-10-17   0:18:40 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#86. To: Original_Intent (#84)

I agree, and McCain's 'I am entitled, I...I...I...BLED FOR THIS DAMMIT!!!!!!!!!!' attitude is insufferable. I am hoping Barack Obama delivers, and I like him as a person a whole lot, I have no rose colored sunglasses on. My vote is a function in my own political approach to things political.

I find to have forward motion by making the best political choices possible concerning things I cannot change then to wallow in nihilistic stasis, holding my breath until I turn blue, just seething mad at how the system has others and myself so oppressed and controlled.

I did enough of that during the heyday of the Eugene Anarchist movement when I was part of a very large anarchist cooperative. I see politics as being somewhat a game of chance and a card game as much as it is manipulatable by working the process actively with a set of objectives and goals in mind.

Sure, there is allot of leap of faith in my choice of Barack Obama, but I am also a man who has learned to not ignore the sort of gut instinct I feel about him as well. If I see I was wrong, I won't waste time trying to delude myself everything is going well. I have no patience anymore with politicians who I determine have betrayed my trust.

I am giving the man a chance, we will see if I have made a mistake in doing so. There is nothing at all wrong with making mistakes, it is how fast you correct them and re-orientate yourself to new realities that develop. Paralyzing oneself into inaction because of fear of making a mistake is not how I do things.


"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-10-17   0:36:38 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#87. To: Ferret Mike (#86)

I see politics as being somewhat a game of chance

I see it exactly opposite, nothing left to chance.

There is nothing at all wrong with making mistakes, it is how fast you correct them and re-orientate yourself to new realities that develop.

There is much wrong with making mistakes especially when the same ones are repeated. Our country is preparing to do it again regardless of whether Obama or McCain are selected. Mistakes are accidents that occur occasionally, tyranny is a well planned trend. When we consider these two puppets we see they aren't any different other than they represent two different mental pictures but in the end BOTH deliver the same toxic message of more war, more big government, and while spewing irrational promises of change for the better are BOTH obligated to the same financial interests that brung em to the dance.

If there were an iota of difference we'd already have heard one of these parasites remark in the negative about the Federal Reserve System because it's the most toxic cancer in our society and pertinent to everyone irrespective of their spiritual convictions.

Mike, I have little hope of changing your mind, yet I want to expose this political fraud that has hypnotized and thereby paralyzed the common people. The mechanics of the economic prison constructed by a small group in order to control the masses is in place and being fortified as we argue about two irrelevant sons of bitches. "That, in and of itself" is a major factor in their program of enslavement.

The further removed the governing parties are from the governed the less effect the governed have upon the decision making process. All we have to recognize is that incompetence alone couldn't bankrupt America. Incompetence and bureaucracy are generally blamed for governmental blunders and the people are expected to accept it, repeatedly ad nauseum. Then, by keeping us divided over issues better left to individual choice, animosity is developed to insure that the focus is on the senseless argument when it should be directed at the perps.

In the end I believe that the only reason we allow the continuation of this fraud upon decency is fear related to the unknown. My response to this is that we KNOW where we're headed with these jackals leading the way. Even for the most remote possibility of regaining our freedom (to argue about wicca and other bullshit) we must take the chances necessary by approaching the unknown with confidence that we can make life pleasant again just by removing the monied interests from corrupting the very system that's actually supposed to protect freedom rather than impose injustice. We owe this much to our posterity that will be born into a fucking prison should we continue senseless disputes.

When this system or any system causes its membership to finance ideologies that they are diametrically opposed to it is corrupt, "and" it is corrupting its membership. It'd be like me forcing you to buy me a chain saw so that I could decimate the forests.

Frankly, I think you and I have both made certain sacrifices for our individual causes. I think we have both determined to flip off the authorities despite the consequences of being jailed or fined because of our determination to force a change. Our issues are different even though they need to be addressed and corrected, but at times we see ourselves opposed to each others basic philosophies unnecessarily.

I am optimistic that a coalition of the disenfranchised can gather the strength and the DISCIPLINE required to organize and rebuild the liberty based governance that prioritizes the removal of the bribery and corruption leading to these wild pendulum swings that become the focus of attention like the recent bailout bullshit rather than a steady plodding towards a far less contentious society.

We can do this by agreeing to disagree while holding ourselves to a higher more disciplined standard of communication between ourselves focused on achieving the elimination of governance from afar, bribery by PACs, lobbyists, lawyers and other scum, but most importantly we unite the people first for honest government because our only strength is our numbers.

noone222  posted on  2008-10-17   3:17:31 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#88. To: noone222 (#87) (Edited)

Good post with great food for thought, thanks. However, I view things a bit differently. I am more reticent to cast my lot with like minded conservative counterparts.

One reason this Eugene Anarchist puts the protective coloration of a liberal on to talk to you and others like you in a persona you know better and can relate to is to explore exactly the realm of possibilities of securing allies on the right against the Babylon entity out government is.

With all due respect, the experience, while paying dividends in broadening my knowledge deeply as to the nuances and peculiarities of conservatives and fascist neocon swine, my trust level is low.

You have to understand too, I have had attempts in the military to bite me too, one of such attempts having manifested itself into a special court martial that could of sent me to Leavenworth had I lost instead of getting all charges and specifications dismissed with my expensive mouthpiece I hired for that task.

And the central notion of those seeking to harm my status as a paratrooper there was concern by the dominant conservatism of the command structure that I was dangerous because I articulated a high degree of left of center political opinions well enough to alarm them enough to go for my throat metaphorically speaking.

You have to understand as well I see a wave of intolerance rising on the right for even left of center politically people to even be allowed the right to political efficacy with ridiculous charges we are all a bunch of fucking terroristic socialists.

There is even one such intolerant interlocutor here who thinks it terribly cute to explore whether or not I am intimidatable with talk of painting a laser dot on my forehead.

There is also much too much racism in this virtual community for my liking as well. It is a red flag to me.

I am no coward and I am a pragmatist when I need to be. And right now I will be expedient and wait until a presidency with my end of the political spectrum represented has run it's course working with it to coax it toward the directions I want it to go.

I want the U.S. healthier and the middle class restored to a better level of health before I work to see an end to the current set up with the two halves of the single party in the U.S. currently.

I am no fool, and I see what is happening. And I also know the ideologies and aspirations of the secessionist, Christian ID people, and other militant right wing peoples hell bent to leather to scratch their itch to destroy purge and 'cleanse' the United States from peoples they loath.

And as an environmentalist with the experience of the Earth Liberation Front militants cowbirding into our peaceful dissent concerning forest and ecosystem preservation, I am reticent to do anything with the wrong sort of violently uncontrollable people who would do me and others like me in too at the drop of the hat coming along for the ride.

I will not work with people who would use people like me as useful idiots to be done in by them after they feel left of center political allies are no longer needed in the ranks.

I am not going anywhere from 4UM for the moment if only because I am stubborn and competitive when I get people trying to push me around as has been the case in this venue recently.

So thank you for the excellent post and I will keep your words in mind as I sit and watch and continue to learn. I don't just sit here and talk on forums you know.

I am reading and studying different writings and books enhancing my depth and scope of knowledge of all things political. I want to be as formidable as I cam be, and that will only happen if I exercise my mind.

This is another reason I do not even drink alcohol. I always consider my mind my most prized asset, and I am always in training to improve and enhance what I can do with it.

Cheers, and again thanks. One thing I can honestly say is it has been a bright spot of this forum to make your acquaintance, and you I do trust.


"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-10-17   6:10:38 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#89. To: Ferret Mike (#88)

Cheers, and again thanks. One thing I can honestly say is it has been a bright spot of this forum to make your acquaintance, and you I do trust.

It didn't start out that way. Over time and in spite of the occasional vitriol that we all spew in moments of frustration, I can see an honest desire to better the future and the willingness to run the risks necessary to accomplish the task.

Funny how similar our military experiences sound. I was sort of a lefty then myself, peace symbols and all that stuff. And even though some of my core beliefs may have changed my loathing of the establishment parasites has only been accelerated because of their incessant invasion of individual rights and denegration of economically challenged humanity in general.

My personal move to the right of center is most likely attributable to parenthood.

I admit that I get frustrated when I see people of worth on both sides of the left/right equation get stuck in an ideological fist fight that isn't relevant to the immediate situation ... however, history supports your determination that in the past the various sides often try to destroy each other after the power brokers have been brought down, ie., the Bolshevik Revolution.

How to overcome human nature's pitfalls is a paradox. At one time I thought smokin dope and droppin acid might accomplish a united front against the power terrorists ... but that just didn't happen. Maybe one day the opportunity will avail itself for people of like minds relative to freedom and liberty will be willing, able and honest enough to negotiate a lasting peace treaty between the left and right ... somewhere near the middle.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is in prison.

Henry David Thoreau

noone222  posted on  2008-10-17   7:14:06 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#90. To: noone222 (#87)

http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=4708&Disp=5#C5

Ping to my current conversation with moron....errr murron at Liberty's Flame.


"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-10-17   7:26:36 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#91. To: Ferret Mike (#90)

Funny isn't it that some things are so repressive that they insult our humanity beyond the interference the left/right paradigm imposes ... like lynching, slavery, and every occasion where man's inhumanity towards man stinks up the neighborhood.

Maybe we'll all have to consider the forces of evil the center and attack them from the left and right ... one thing seems certain to me ... the general conditions related to felicity of life have deteriorated consistently regardless of party politics and I am awfully fucking tired of watching it continue ... especially when I think it's going to interfere with my daughter's family. I guess a dad never quits seing his daughter as an innocent child to be protected at all costs.

Should these insane political motherfuckers ever harm a hair on her head while I have enough strength to pull a trigger ... they'll regret it and it won't make an iota of difference which party they belong to because the party will be O.V.E.R. !

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is in prison.

Henry David Thoreau

noone222  posted on  2008-10-17   7:44:16 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  



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