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Title: LP Member, Corn Flake Girl, Attempts to Silence/Intimidate/ Fellow Member With Secret Service (Rumor -> Corn Flake Girl=Ferret Mike?)
Source: El Pee
URL Source: http://libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=242074&Disp=All
Published: Oct 15, 2008
Author: Murron
Post Date: 2008-10-15 23:53:30 by Rotara
Keywords: None
Views: 3924
Comments: 160

LP Member, Corn Flake Girl, Attempts to Silence/Intimidate Fellow Member With Secret Service

(#144) "And the Secret Service is in the modus to investigate the remotest possibility of a threat environment endangering someone on their 'A' list of whom they look out for". LP Member, Corn Flake Girl

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances".

"If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear." - George Orwell, Preface to Animal Farm (1946)

"If you're in favor of free speech, then you're in favor of freedom of speech precisely for views you despise. Otherwise, you're not in favor of free speech." Noam Chomsky, Manufacturing Consent: Noam Chomsky and the Media (1992).

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We must never allow people like Corn Flake Girl to impede or stop us from defending our right to speak, to express, to write and to tell the truth, to be the watchdog, eyes and ears of the people, or simply to share our view, and give fair comment on any subject which involves and affects us as humans, as rightful citizens of this country.

Most of us have fought censorship all of our adult life. To me, the most precious of all rights in this marvelous country called the United States of America is the freedom to think, write and say whatever is on your mind... That freedom also extends to thoughts that are stupid, ignorant or incendiary. No one needs a First Amendment to write about how cute newborn babies are or to publish a recipe for strawberry shortcake. Nobody needs a First Amendment for innocuous or popular points of view. That's point one. Point two is that the majority-you and I-must always protect the right of a minority-even a minority of one-to express the most outrageous and offensive ideas. Only then is total freedom of expression guaranteed."

The price of freedom of religion, or of speech, or of the press, is that we must put up with a good deal of rubbish.

If we suppress ideas we don't like, the proponents of those ideas will probably fester in secret societies and explode in double-plus ungood ways and we will like those results even less. If we allow people to see their ideas, and we ignore them, they've had their chance and they don't have to feel cheated about not getting exposure. Or if we really don't like their ideas and really need to keep them from convincing other people to believe in them, the answer is to tell people why and they'll learn. But you can't just beat people up because you dislike their stupid opinion.

If we go that route, then ignorant, faceless people like "Corn Flake Girl" will use their intimidation and force us to suppress any opinion they don't like, and maybe support opinions we don't like. Then what you get is a society of brutality where it isn't the best ideas that are seen by others, it's only the ideas that have the most vicious thugs to back them up. And it becomes very hard for people to be willing to express any opinion if someone can just pop them one because they say something someone else doesn't like.

As responsible members of LibertyPost, we demand and claim our space on the Internet for free and fair comment, where important national issues and prominent personalities are discussed.

Corn Flake Girl! If you find my posts offensive, you may, at any time, refute me with correct facts and figures and fair comment, in the spirit of free speech, but you will never silence me with threats of intimidation by the Secret Service, or any Law Enforcement. And if you ever do attempt something so stupid, you had better get your facts straight, because I do not tuck tale and run from you, or anyone who attempts to silence me. ~ Murron


Poster Comment:

Corn Flake/Ferret, do you have anything to say for yourself - you demented little goofy girl you?

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#11. To: Rotara (#0)

Get a life.

angle  posted on  2008-10-16   6:38:27 ET  [Locked]   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: angle (#11)

Get a life.

In the true world socialist spirit that deep down electrifies you, I'll take yours. How's that?

Rotara  posted on  2008-10-16   11:30:55 ET  [Locked]   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Rotara (#12)

I'll take yours. How's that?

Have you been taking stupid pills.

angle  posted on  2008-10-16   11:43:43 ET  [Locked]   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: angle (#13)

Stupid as in supporting Hugo Chavez, Global Man Made Climate Change and eco-terrorists? No, no stupid desired here.

Rotara  posted on  2008-10-16   18:33:37 ET  [Locked]   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Rotara (#20)

59. To: Goldi-Lox, Idol Hanz, Dewy (#57)

"I've read through your comments made recently on multiple threads, and I find a shocking theme. You are attempting to intimidate other LP members from speaking freely on this site, by invoking various law enforcement agencies in a manner that is akin to KGB operatives controlling the proletariat!!

ANY attempt for censorship of any kind, including intimidation or veiled threats is anethema to Liberty Post and its entire purpose; it flies in the face of the First Amendment.

It is 100% NOT acceptable here.

Please take your educated, opinionated, and intimidating remarks over to a site that encourages that behavior. It is clear that you do not visit here to participate in the liberty of free and unfettered speech.

I have terminated your account."

Then you will wish to terminate mine as well. Murron's posting of a picture of a hangman's noose in a thread discussing a Secret Service protectee was blatantly racist and threatening in tone, and CFG was completely correct in wanting to report it to the relevant authorities.

Further, you have repeatedly failed to terminate the accounts of REAL racist posters such as Idol Hanz and Dewy, who freely and continually use the terms "nigger" and "darkie" in casual conversation, and enjoy your continued protection even when their racist posts are reported to you. I do not associate with nor tolerate people of that stripe in any way, even on a chat site on the Internet.

And just to provide some additional incentive for you to ban me, I have already provided the URL of Murron's post to the local Secret Service office. I suspect that somebody will be knocking at her door very soon. And if they are at all on the ball, they will be knocking on YOUR door as well for facilitating and encouraging such ILLEGAL behavior.

I will continue to scan LibertyPost from time to time, and will continue to report content I feel to be directly threatening to Secret Service protectees to the relevant authorities.

Why don't you just change the name of this web site to Stormfront Post or something that would more readily identify the average tenor and quality of posts here? If you're going to be a bear, be a grizzly.

Goodbye.

strelitsa posted on 2008-10-16 18:30:27 ET Reply Trace

http://libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=241893&Disp=59#C59

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-10-16   18:39:57 ET  [Locked]   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Ferret Mike (#22)

'snitch

Rotara  posted on  2008-10-16   18:59:13 ET  [Locked]   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Rotara (#28)

"'snitch"

I see, so now you think I was strelitsa too? Whatever, think what you wish, it is your prerogative. ;-)

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-10-16   19:03:50 ET  [Locked]   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Ferret Mike (#32)

I see, so now you think I was strelitsa too? Whatever, think what you wish, it is your prerogative. ;-)

I have every single reason to believe you're a world socialist lying POS that posts on El Pee as CFG.

Care to L-I-E again or tell the truth, you pig?

Rotara  posted on  2008-10-16   19:04:55 ET  [Locked]   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Rotara (#33) (Edited)

106. To: WarHawk42 (#2)

Actually I find it rather amusing her screen name contains the word "Flake", she is one, but she does have the right to her opinion, "She" is a "he".

sneakypete posted on 2008-10-16 19:11:57 ET Reply Trace

http://libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=242074&Disp=106#C106

I told my SF brother Sneaky Pete this in private E mail here about the account a long while ago. One of the main reasons I initially started the account was to contact people there I had lost contact with.

Having accomplished that a while ago, I have not really cared about the ultimate fate of this account.

I came back on recently as my old friend ALS has been posting there as byte shredder and I have been enjoying our very old rivalry and politics of contention. ;-)

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-10-16   19:26:28 ET  [Locked]   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: Ferret Mike (#37)

I came back on recently as my old friend ALS has been posting there as byte shredder and I have been enjoying our very old rivalry and politics of contention. ;-)

Byteshredder is a comtemptable person who steals others work, makes threats etc. He is the worst and should have been banned in my opinion.

farmfriend  posted on  2008-10-16   22:52:38 ET  [Locked]   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: farmfriend, Ferret Mike (#60)

Byteshredder is a comtemptable person who steals others work, makes threats etc. He is the worst and should have been banned in my opinion.

Goldi-Pox, from what I was told in a PM, invited him over to post in defense of Israel as there were too many posters, such as moi, who were pointing out that Israel's actions on the West Bank and Gaza are no different in kind than those of the Turd Reich.

So, Goldi-Pox will never ban 'botshiller as he's her "boy".

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-10-16   22:57:53 ET  [Locked]   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: Original_Intent (#61)

Cash Wakefield A K A Byteshredder/ALS is a fervently devout Israel rapture monkey. He believes God made the divine choice of Bush as our president, and he doesn't give a damn about McCain, but he love Palin.

Goldi temp banned RaisedEyeBrows and me for embedding double entendre references to his real name once. Ghost of Quantrill and others also falsely blamed me for Charity's (also there as GoodSeedHomeSchool) departure from el pee.

One of the reasons I was banned as CFG this time was my very overt outing of what his mindset is and inference that indeed I do know who he is and where he lives.

She likes him there as her goon to control Democratic Party booster opposition to approved neocon candidates every election time. There is no free speech at el pee, the verbiage on the home page is a lie. It is like a movie set propped up fake building front with no substance to it.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-10-16   23:33:23 ET  [Locked]   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: Ferret Mike (#65)

He didn't like me one little bit - I used links and data he could not refute re Israel's Crimes Against Humanity as well as anti-zionazi Jews speaking up which drove him berserk.

I had him wound so tight one night that all he could post was "I hate you". I was so proud.

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-10-16   23:56:27 ET  [Locked]   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#81. To: Original_Intent (#74) (Edited)

"I had him wound so tight one night that all he could post was "I hate you". I was so proud"

Bravo. I can picture that as I've done that to him as well. RaisedEyeBrows and I would post in the same office here in Eugene and tag team the dog crap out of the poor boy.

I remembered him enough to have this account waiting to snipe at him once election time came around, and he jumped into my kill zone by returning to el pee as I anticipated he would.

It was much satisfying to tweak his nose with the polling so tearing at him and worrying him so. I wouldn't have missed doing this particular run for the world.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-10-17   0:07:36 ET  [Locked]   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#84. To: Ferret Mike (#81)

It was much satisfying to tweak his nose with the polling so tearing at him and worrying him so. I wouldn't have missed doing this particular run for the world.

Bravo Zulu. While I'm not an uh, uh, Obama fan, I despise McNutz equally and having 'botshiller wound up in his Republican Worship and the prospect of, shudder, having a filthy lib'rul win is priceless. He is such a maroon, and such an ill mannered churl that it couldn't happen to a "nicer" guy.

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-10-17   0:16:30 ET  [Locked]   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#86. To: Original_Intent (#84)

I agree, and McCain's 'I am entitled, I...I...I...BLED FOR THIS DAMMIT!!!!!!!!!!' attitude is insufferable. I am hoping Barack Obama delivers, and I like him as a person a whole lot, I have no rose colored sunglasses on. My vote is a function in my own political approach to things political.

I find to have forward motion by making the best political choices possible concerning things I cannot change then to wallow in nihilistic stasis, holding my breath until I turn blue, just seething mad at how the system has others and myself so oppressed and controlled.

I did enough of that during the heyday of the Eugene Anarchist movement when I was part of a very large anarchist cooperative. I see politics as being somewhat a game of chance and a card game as much as it is manipulatable by working the process actively with a set of objectives and goals in mind.

Sure, there is allot of leap of faith in my choice of Barack Obama, but I am also a man who has learned to not ignore the sort of gut instinct I feel about him as well. If I see I was wrong, I won't waste time trying to delude myself everything is going well. I have no patience anymore with politicians who I determine have betrayed my trust.

I am giving the man a chance, we will see if I have made a mistake in doing so. There is nothing at all wrong with making mistakes, it is how fast you correct them and re-orientate yourself to new realities that develop. Paralyzing oneself into inaction because of fear of making a mistake is not how I do things.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-10-17   0:36:38 ET  [Locked]   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#87. To: Ferret Mike (#86)

I see politics as being somewhat a game of chance

I see it exactly opposite, nothing left to chance.

There is nothing at all wrong with making mistakes, it is how fast you correct them and re-orientate yourself to new realities that develop.

There is much wrong with making mistakes especially when the same ones are repeated. Our country is preparing to do it again regardless of whether Obama or McCain are selected. Mistakes are accidents that occur occasionally, tyranny is a well planned trend. When we consider these two puppets we see they aren't any different other than they represent two different mental pictures but in the end BOTH deliver the same toxic message of more war, more big government, and while spewing irrational promises of change for the better are BOTH obligated to the same financial interests that brung em to the dance.

If there were an iota of difference we'd already have heard one of these parasites remark in the negative about the Federal Reserve System because it's the most toxic cancer in our society and pertinent to everyone irrespective of their spiritual convictions.

Mike, I have little hope of changing your mind, yet I want to expose this political fraud that has hypnotized and thereby paralyzed the common people. The mechanics of the economic prison constructed by a small group in order to control the masses is in place and being fortified as we argue about two irrelevant sons of bitches. "That, in and of itself" is a major factor in their program of enslavement.

The further removed the governing parties are from the governed the less effect the governed have upon the decision making process. All we have to recognize is that incompetence alone couldn't bankrupt America. Incompetence and bureaucracy are generally blamed for governmental blunders and the people are expected to accept it, repeatedly ad nauseum. Then, by keeping us divided over issues better left to individual choice, animosity is developed to insure that the focus is on the senseless argument when it should be directed at the perps.

In the end I believe that the only reason we allow the continuation of this fraud upon decency is fear related to the unknown. My response to this is that we KNOW where we're headed with these jackals leading the way. Even for the most remote possibility of regaining our freedom (to argue about wicca and other bullshit) we must take the chances necessary by approaching the unknown with confidence that we can make life pleasant again just by removing the monied interests from corrupting the very system that's actually supposed to protect freedom rather than impose injustice. We owe this much to our posterity that will be born into a fucking prison should we continue senseless disputes.

When this system or any system causes its membership to finance ideologies that they are diametrically opposed to it is corrupt, "and" it is corrupting its membership. It'd be like me forcing you to buy me a chain saw so that I could decimate the forests.

Frankly, I think you and I have both made certain sacrifices for our individual causes. I think we have both determined to flip off the authorities despite the consequences of being jailed or fined because of our determination to force a change. Our issues are different even though they need to be addressed and corrected, but at times we see ourselves opposed to each others basic philosophies unnecessarily.

I am optimistic that a coalition of the disenfranchised can gather the strength and the DISCIPLINE required to organize and rebuild the liberty based governance that prioritizes the removal of the bribery and corruption leading to these wild pendulum swings that become the focus of attention like the recent bailout bullshit rather than a steady plodding towards a far less contentious society.

We can do this by agreeing to disagree while holding ourselves to a higher more disciplined standard of communication between ourselves focused on achieving the elimination of governance from afar, bribery by PACs, lobbyists, lawyers and other scum, but most importantly we unite the people first for honest government because our only strength is our numbers.

noone222  posted on  2008-10-17   3:17:31 ET  [Locked]   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#88. To: noone222 (#87) (Edited)

Good post with great food for thought, thanks. However, I view things a bit differently. I am more reticent to cast my lot with like minded conservative counterparts.

One reason this Eugene Anarchist puts the protective coloration of a liberal on to talk to you and others like you in a persona you know better and can relate to is to explore exactly the realm of possibilities of securing allies on the right against the Babylon entity out government is.

With all due respect, the experience, while paying dividends in broadening my knowledge deeply as to the nuances and peculiarities of conservatives and fascist neocon swine, my trust level is low.

You have to understand too, I have had attempts in the military to bite me too, one of such attempts having manifested itself into a special court martial that could of sent me to Leavenworth had I lost instead of getting all charges and specifications dismissed with my expensive mouthpiece I hired for that task.

And the central notion of those seeking to harm my status as a paratrooper there was concern by the dominant conservatism of the command structure that I was dangerous because I articulated a high degree of left of center political opinions well enough to alarm them enough to go for my throat metaphorically speaking.

You have to understand as well I see a wave of intolerance rising on the right for even left of center politically people to even be allowed the right to political efficacy with ridiculous charges we are all a bunch of fucking terroristic socialists.

There is even one such intolerant interlocutor here who thinks it terribly cute to explore whether or not I am intimidatable with talk of painting a laser dot on my forehead.

There is also much too much racism in this virtual community for my liking as well. It is a red flag to me.

I am no coward and I am a pragmatist when I need to be. And right now I will be expedient and wait until a presidency with my end of the political spectrum represented has run it's course working with it to coax it toward the directions I want it to go.

I want the U.S. healthier and the middle class restored to a better level of health before I work to see an end to the current set up with the two halves of the single party in the U.S. currently.

I am no fool, and I see what is happening. And I also know the ideologies and aspirations of the secessionist, Christian ID people, and other militant right wing peoples hell bent to leather to scratch their itch to destroy purge and 'cleanse' the United States from peoples they loath.

And as an environmentalist with the experience of the Earth Liberation Front militants cowbirding into our peaceful dissent concerning forest and ecosystem preservation, I am reticent to do anything with the wrong sort of violently uncontrollable people who would do me and others like me in too at the drop of the hat coming along for the ride.

I will not work with people who would use people like me as useful idiots to be done in by them after they feel left of center political allies are no longer needed in the ranks.

I am not going anywhere from 4UM for the moment if only because I am stubborn and competitive when I get people trying to push me around as has been the case in this venue recently.

So thank you for the excellent post and I will keep your words in mind as I sit and watch and continue to learn. I don't just sit here and talk on forums you know.

I am reading and studying different writings and books enhancing my depth and scope of knowledge of all things political. I want to be as formidable as I cam be, and that will only happen if I exercise my mind.

This is another reason I do not even drink alcohol. I always consider my mind my most prized asset, and I am always in training to improve and enhance what I can do with it.

Cheers, and again thanks. One thing I can honestly say is it has been a bright spot of this forum to make your acquaintance, and you I do trust.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-10-17   6:10:38 ET  [Locked]   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#89. To: Ferret Mike (#88)

Cheers, and again thanks. One thing I can honestly say is it has been a bright spot of this forum to make your acquaintance, and you I do trust.

It didn't start out that way. Over time and in spite of the occasional vitriol that we all spew in moments of frustration, I can see an honest desire to better the future and the willingness to run the risks necessary to accomplish the task.

Funny how similar our military experiences sound. I was sort of a lefty then myself, peace symbols and all that stuff. And even though some of my core beliefs may have changed my loathing of the establishment parasites has only been accelerated because of their incessant invasion of individual rights and denegration of economically challenged humanity in general.

My personal move to the right of center is most likely attributable to parenthood.

I admit that I get frustrated when I see people of worth on both sides of the left/right equation get stuck in an ideological fist fight that isn't relevant to the immediate situation ... however, history supports your determination that in the past the various sides often try to destroy each other after the power brokers have been brought down, ie., the Bolshevik Revolution.

How to overcome human nature's pitfalls is a paradox. At one time I thought smokin dope and droppin acid might accomplish a united front against the power terrorists ... but that just didn't happen. Maybe one day the opportunity will avail itself for people of like minds relative to freedom and liberty will be willing, able and honest enough to negotiate a lasting peace treaty between the left and right ... somewhere near the middle.

noone222  posted on  2008-10-17 07:14:06 ET  [Locked]   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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