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Published: Oct 23, 2008
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#375. To: angle, Jethro Tull (#348)

There's your problem. Statistics do say something and the educated attempt to interpret their correct meaning. Hence my question. If you don't know the answer, it's okay.

Here's your problem, angle. You can't accept facts being facts, reality being reality when those facts and their reality challenge your world of left wing pseudo-intelligentsia who pretend they are breathing rarefied air because they alone are so special and so insightful.

The answer to your question is NO, NOOOO, NOOOOOOO - got it? - class has nothing to do with the stats Jethro presented or otherwise low class whites would also have similar high crime rates. You do know that there are poor whites don't you??... well, perhaps not, there are not too many poor whites hanging out at coffee houses and poetry readings where super duper intellectual leftie whites hang out.

You'd need to visit places like Oklahoma, Kentucky, South Dakota, Missippi, Idaho and the front lines of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars to bump into poor whites.

And furthermore, fyi, Dr. Walter Williams PhD, who certainly meets your criterion of being smart ( and he's black to boot), happens to agree with Jethro's stats being reflective of race not class.

www.frontpagemag.com/Arti...7E-490B-9584-5B239032C95C

"What About Hate Crimes By Blacks?"

www.capmag.com/article.asp?ID=5012

"High Murder Rates in Cities with Large Black Populations"

www.capmag.com/article.asp?ID=5086

"Hiding Black Interracial Crimes"

scrapper2  posted on  2008-10-24   0:21:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#376. To: X-15 (#374)

looks to me like a lot of you cowboys just cant wait for the race wars to start in america.

it's gonna be pretty tough to keep control of the cities, seeing as how your enemies will have grown up in those mean streets...

...although the urban warfare in iraq is giving some pretty good training, i spose.

on the other hand, there are a lot of black guys in iraq getting that same training.

wadosy  posted on  2008-10-24   0:23:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#377. To: wadosy (#376)

looks to me like a lot of you cowboys just cant wait for the race wars to start in america.

What an ignorant mean-spirited hateful comment to make. Just because posters disagree with your pro-Obama, pro-leftie views, you resort to mud-slinging? Grow up.

scrapper2  posted on  2008-10-24   0:29:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#378. To: scrapper2 (#377) (Edited)

What an ignorant mean-spirited hateful comment to make.

is the dominant attitude about race in this forum gonna help damp down tendencies towards race wars, or encourage those tendencies?

any observer would come away with the impression that you are trying to encourage race wars.

that's just how it is.

if you dont want race wars, anybody'd think you'd have sense enough to work against overt racism, instead of egging each other on.

sorry

wadosy  posted on  2008-10-24   0:34:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#379. To: wadosy (#376)

looks to me like a lot of you cowboys just cant wait for the race wars to start in america.

You remember this movie? You know, the one where one intelligent Western white man fucked up the Planet of the Apes?? Hahahahahahaha!!!!!

“The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people…and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit!”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941

X-15  posted on  2008-10-24   0:38:18 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#380. To: scrapper2 (#377)

see the post above?

i rest my case.

wadosy  posted on  2008-10-24   0:39:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#381. To: wadosy (#380)

If somebody didn't throw you some red meat your FBI handlers might fire you for wasting their money. I'm giving you job security....

“The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people…and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit!”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941

X-15  posted on  2008-10-24   0:41:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#382. To: X-15 (#381) (Edited)

I'm giving you job security....

naw.

you're just doing your best to get yourself into a position you've fantasized about.

too bad reality is gonna be much uglier than your fantasies.

wadosy  posted on  2008-10-24   0:44:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#383. To: wadosy (#378)

is the dominant attitude about race in this forum gonna help damp down tendencies towards race wars, or encourage those tendencies?

any observer would come away with the impression that you are trying to encourage race wars.

that's just how it is.

if you dont want race wars, anybody'd think you'd have sense enough to work against overt racism, instead of egging each other on.

sorry

What are you on? You are seeing a reality I don't recognize.

For one thing, in case you were not aware of this fact, 4um is a free speech site, not a politically correct high school debate league.

For another thing, this is a long thread and I've not read every single post but one post by Jethro Tull that quoted statistics about black crime - statistics which were verified by a black professor, Dr. Walter Williams - seemed to attract the ire of you and angle. Statistics are not hate speech.

If statistics or free speech trouble your sensibilities, then move on. Don't use a broad brush to paint posters with baseless insults.

scrapper2  posted on  2008-10-24   0:46:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#384. To: scrapper2 (#383) (Edited)

i didnt challenge the statistics.

they could very well be true.

the problem with free speech is, if you cant defend your position, and someone comes along and blows you out of the water, you're sunk.

for instance, would you like to explain the logic behind cynicom's contention that anyone who doesnt hate blacks hates himself?

so far, nobody's been able to do that, but they've leaped to cynicom's defense.

please feel free to address the problems of logic displayed in cynicom's position.

wadosy  posted on  2008-10-24   0:51:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#385. To: wadosy (#372)

the atmosphere you seem to encourage in this forum

the atmosphere i encourage in this forum is freedom of expression. if you can't handle it and you are advocating censorship, then Freedom4um is not the forum for you.

Do You Know What Freedom Really Means? Freedom4um.com

christine  posted on  2008-10-24   0:51:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#386. To: Dakmar, wadosy (#193)

now all we have to do is figure out why you are unable to acknowledge the illogic

Watch it Dak, baby........I think this wadi gal must be pregnant--notice the 'we'............yep.........and I'll bet a dollar to a donut that she's gonna try to claim you're the daddy!

rowdee  posted on  2008-10-24   0:51:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#387. To: christine (#385)

You folks still arguing about negros and hebrews here? lmao!

I shall not vote for evil, lesser or otherwise.
Body Art Cobleskill, NY

Critter  posted on  2008-10-24   0:52:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#388. To: wadosy (#384)

I'm an equal opportunity hater. I can hate you if you're white, black, brown, red, yellow, if you wear a beanie, or a cross, or a towel around your head.. makes no difference to me...

I shall not vote for evil, lesser or otherwise.
Body Art Cobleskill, NY

Critter  posted on  2008-10-24   0:54:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#389. To: christine (#385)

the atmosphere i encourage in this forum is freedom of expression. if you can't handle it and you are advocating censorship, then Freedom4um is not the forum for you.

you encourage racism on the forum.

there (above) is an example of free speech that you've declined to refute.

you have refused to comment on cynicom's argument that anyone who doesnt hate blacks hates himself.

i have pointed out to you the dangers of overt racism... if you continue to support overt racism, about the only thing an observer can conclude is that you support racism and its inevitable consequences.

wadosy  posted on  2008-10-24   0:55:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#390. To: Critter (#388)

I'm an equal opportunity hater. I can hate you if you're white, black, brown, red, yellow, if you wear a beanie, or a cross, or a towel around your head.. makes no difference to me...

good for you

wadosy  posted on  2008-10-24   0:56:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#391. To: wadosy, Original_Intent, Cynicom, christine (#384)

for instance, would you like to explain the logic behind cynicom's contention that anyone who doesnt hate blacks hates himself?

so far, nobody's been able to do that, but they've leaped to cynicom's defense.

please feel free to address the problems of logic displayed in cynicom's position.

Did you bother to read message #347 which Original_Intent posted to you wherein he answered your question quite succinctly? I have nothing more to add to OI's post. Quit recycling a question that has been answered 50 posts earlier - it shows bad net manners and especially so when you frame your rehashed question in a hysterical shrieking tone.

Here's a cut and paste of OI's #347 answer to you, to make it easy for you - take a deep breath and read it, please:

wadosy: are you willing to admit that those people will be more susceptible to crackpot white racist theories that say "any white person that does not hate blacks hates themselves"?

Original_Intent: I don't believe that was Cyni's point. While I am loathe to tell other people what they think - as I interpreted Cyni's point it was more a matter of some White people who feel guilty for being white, and presumably more priveledged, and thus make excuses for minorities who violate civilized standards of behavior excusing under whatever rationale - often to the point of denigrating or rejecting their own group, excusing the behavior regardless of the crime, and thus the term "White Guilters".

scrapper2  posted on  2008-10-24   1:06:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#392. To: scrapper2 (#391) (Edited)

sorry.

cynicom has repeatedly said that i must hate myself if i dont hate blacks.

wadosy  posted on  2008-10-24   1:08:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#393. To: wadosy (#392)

This is the longest and dumbest thread on the whole internet.

Ahmadinejad in 2008!
Everyone agrees that unanimity is hard to find.

bluegrass  posted on  2008-10-24   1:10:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#394. To: scrapper2 (#391)

Oh, I'm sure he noticed it. However, in true disinformationist form he/she/it ignored it because to do so did away with the wedge/disruption question it is using to browbeat the thread with and attempt to create a false sense of racism well in excess of what actually exists.

"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-10-24   1:10:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#395. To: wadosy (#389)

you know what? i've had enough of you. bye.

Do You Know What Freedom Really Means? Freedom4um.com

christine  posted on  2008-10-24   1:12:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#396. To: Original_Intent, scrapper2 (#394)

Oh, I'm sure he noticed it. However, in true disinformationist form he/she/it ignored it because to do so did away with the wedge/disruption question it is using to browbeat the thread with and attempt to create a false sense of racism well in excess of what actually exists.

exactly

Do You Know What Freedom Really Means? Freedom4um.com

christine  posted on  2008-10-24   1:17:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#397. To: wadosy (#392)

sorry.

cynicom has repeatedly said that i must hate myself if i dont hate blacks.

Sorry back at you.

You choose not to acknowledge answers to your questions. Instead you prefer to attack, malign, mis-state, misconstrue because that's your way.

You are either a provocateur or you are an hysteric. Either way I'm done with you and so are most other posters. Frankly you are rather trite and boring.

Good luck trying to provoke, to incite when no one responds to your posts. One word will best describe your debating future on this political discussion board - "silence."

Bye, bye.

scrapper2  posted on  2008-10-24   1:21:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#398. To: scrapper2 (#397)

"Silence is golden, golden, la ta da da da ..." ;-)

"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-10-24   1:31:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#399. To: Christine, wadosy, All Obama pole crackers (#369)

what the hell are you talking about? who said anything about shooting blacks or exterminating blacks?

Who said anything about shooting Jews or exterminating Jews ?

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-10-24   1:45:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#400. To: christine, hounddawg (#361)

Why do you seem to prefer browbeating the hard working whites

I take issue with the anti black rhetoric on this thread liking blacks to monkeys and referring to blacks as niggers and now I'm against whites? In your small mind perhaps.

It's a sad thing to see you rationalize hatred toward people who are a different color. I guess "christian" doesn't really mean loving others and the constitution doesn't really mean equality.

It's a sad day when the people who pride themselves on seeing the state of affairs for what they are turn out to be the people who are all for race wars.

Sickening.

angle  posted on  2008-10-24   6:39:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#401. To: Original_Intent (#391)

Original_Intent: I don't believe that was Cyni's point. While I am loathe to tell other people what they think - as I interpreted Cyni's point it was more a matter of some White people who feel guilty for being white, and presumably more priveledged, and thus make excuses for minorities who violate civilized standards of behavior excusing under whatever rationale - often to the point of denigrating or rejecting their own group, excusing the behavior regardless of the crime, and thus the term "White Guilters".

Sorry to let you in on the well known fact that cyni accuses everyone who is not against blacks as being a white guilter.

angle  posted on  2008-10-24   9:44:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#402. To: angle (#401)

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/abstract/cvusst.htm

Ouch!

The Department of Justice victimization survey for 2005 has been posted on the DOJ website. To create these reports the DOJ surveys a massive segment of the US population to document crime trends. For years the reports have shown disturbing trends in Black crime, particularly Black on White Crime.

The 2005 Report Shows…

While Blacks make up 12% of the US population, they commit approximately 50% of all rapes, attempted rapes, and sexual assaults in the United States.

Nearly 100% of all Black rape victims are raped by a Black.

Over one third of all White rape victims are raped by a Black. Over half of all White rape victims are raped by a non-White in general.

Another category dominated by Blacks is “Robbery with Injury.” Blacks committed a full two thirds of all robberies with an injury in cases where the race of the offender is known.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-10-24   9:59:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#403. To: Critter (#387)

You folks still arguing about negros and hebrews here? lmao!

LOL! That struck my funny bone--hard! Thanks for the laugh.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2008-10-24   10:02:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#404. To: Jethro Tull (#402)

OK. I see that statistics show blacks to seem to have a higher (MUCH HIGHER) disproportionate percentage to crime and violent crime than other ethnic groups.

Should ALL blacks be painted with the same brush?

angle  posted on  2008-10-24   10:15:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#405. To: angle (#404)

makes a good argument for DEFENSIVE racism, does it not?

Do You Know What Freedom Really Means? Freedom4um.com

christine  posted on  2008-10-24   10:17:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#406. To: christine (#405)

OK I'll read it.

angle  posted on  2008-10-24   10:19:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#407. To: angle (#404)

Please remove the word all from further discussion since nobody I've read (except Os) use it.

Now, since you've acknowledge the obvious, would you agree that a white who finds themselves in a ghetto is in a more dangerous place than if they were in a typical white area?

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-10-24   10:22:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#408. To: angle, Cynicom (#401)

Sorry to let you in on the well known fact that cyni accuses everyone who is not against blacks as being a white guilter.

Nope. You are wrong. Cynicom has never made such an allegation about me and I am not "against blacks." I am against SOME blacks, the ones that Chris Rock calls niggas. But not all blacks are niggas. Some black people are good folks--there are both good and bad people in ALL groups. That is the position I have held for most of my life (in fact, the first friend I ever remember having when I was about three years old was a little black boy--and I only thought of him as a friend, not a "black friend").

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2008-10-24   10:23:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#409. To: christine (#395)

i've had enough of you. bye.

vacuum the house once a week.

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tom007  posted on  2008-10-24   10:25:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#410. To: Jethro Tull (#407)

would you agree that a white who finds themselves in a ghetto is in a more dangerous place than if they were in a typical white area?

Yes. Do you agree that a black is also in a more dangerous place than if they were in a typical white area?

angle  posted on  2008-10-24   10:30:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#411. To: angle (#410)

Yes, in some cases, but to a far, far lesser degree.

Do you agree that if the kid in Pittsburgh were a black Obama supporter, we'd have another Tawana Brawley matter on our hands? And do you also agree that the MSM failure to mention the matter, despite Obama's campaign expressing sympathy, is censorship by omission?

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-10-24   10:35:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#412. To: All (#404)

"In western New York state nearly 40% of the black, Hispanic and mixed-race households earned less than $15,000 compared with 15% of white households. The life expectancy of African-Americans in the US is about the same as that of people living in China and some states of India, despite the fact that the US is far richer than the other two countries." says a new United Nations report on the urban environment.

FYI

angle  posted on  2008-10-24   10:36:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#413. To: Jethro Tull (#411)

do you also agree that the MSM failure to mention the matter, despite Obama's campaign expressing sympathy, is censorship by omission?

I think many see it as a hoax. Yet is there plenty of MSM censorship and propaganda...you bet and none of it to benefit us.

angle  posted on  2008-10-24   10:38:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#414. To: christine (#405)

Defensive racism is contrasted with "offensive racism," which is practiced due to feelings of hatred or superiority towards other races.

Don't you think that what is being posted on this thread is offensive racism? I'll leave that to you for further contemplation.

Certainly, the bigger threat is the goverment and the traitors in it.

angle  posted on  2008-10-24   10:51:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#415. To: Original_Intent (#274)

informally of course. :-)

Of course. Formality involves getting the thieves involved. No need to encumber a voluntary transaction with such trivialities.

duckhunter  posted on  2008-10-24   11:10:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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