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Title: YOUR NEW PRESIDENT, ZBIG BROTHER (Marxist Alert)
Source: News With Views
URL Source: http://www.newswithviews.com/Stang/alan170.htm
Published: Oct 29, 2008
Author: Alan Stang
Post Date: 2008-10-30 02:50:18 by Rotara
Keywords: None
Views: 576
Comments: 54

by Alan Stang
October 29, 2008
NewsWithViews.com

[Announcement: Did you know Alan Stang has a new radio show? Click here for details.]

As I write, little more than a week remains before E-Day, on which most Americans will vote. Nerves are being fearfully wracked. Even people who are usually somnolent say they can’t take the stress. There is a real danger that, unaddressed, the frustration of choosing between a Communist illegal alien raised by a Communist sex pervert and a POW traitor who is a Soviet front man could lead to an epidemic of Acid Reflux Disease or even an outbreak of Restless Leg Syndrome.

The purpose of this modest piece is to reassure you. Stop tormenting yourself. Further self-flagellation is pointless. Your next President has already been selected. Didn’t you know? Sure, go ahead and vote if you like, if you have nothing else to do, if you don’t mind standing in long lines between Obamatron morons and McCrud zombies, but enjoy the reassurance of knowing that the powers above Ponzi Paulson and Helicopter Ben Bernanke and Co. have already made their choice.

He is Zbigniew Brzezinski. What? Who? Is this some kind of Polish joke? Sadly, it is not. The lustiest enjoyer of Polish jokes in my experience was a remarkably gorgeous Polish lady I knew many years ago in the Bay Area. Every couple of years, I would come through on a speaking tour and she would press me for the latest Polish jokes I had heard. Again Zbigniew Brzezinski is not one of them. He is not just a victim of partial vowel deprivation.

In 1970, Zbigniew Brzezinski wrote a book entitled Between Two Ages: America’s Role in the Technetronic Era (New York, Viking Press). Let’s browse through it to find out what Zbigniew is. Zbig dedicates the book to Ian, Mark and Mika, his kids. A nice touch, don’t you think? He’s a family man. Starting on page 72 of my Penguin edition, he explains “why Marxism represents a further vital and creative stage in the maturing of man’s universal vision.”

Marxism is “a victory of reason over belief. . . . To a greater extent than any previous mode of political thinking, Marxism puts a premium on the systematic and rigorous examination of material reality and on guides to action derived from that examination.” In other words, Marxism is a better system than our own. Marxism examines material reality and recommends action better than does the U.S. Constitution.

Page 83: Marxism “represented a major advance in man’s ability to conceptualize his relationship to his world.” It carried “an essentially ethical message.” It “was derived from a totally rational method of inquiry.” P. 123: Marxism “provided a unique intellectual tool for understanding and harnessing the fundamental forces of our time. . . . [I]t supplied the best available insight into contemporary reality; it infused political action with strong ethical elements . . . .”

By the way, as you see, I am making it easy for you. I am digging out the juicy nuggets. They are embedded in a prose the pompous turgidity of which recalls Isabel Paterson’s comment that the writing of John Foster Dulles compels the eyeball to rebound from the page. Subjecting the normal mind to such an aberration should be punished as a war crime or at least a species of torture.

I honestly believe that were we to strap your eyeballs to Zbigniew’s prose, you would run screaming from the premises, unless we had prudently tied you to a chair. The next time you feel like complaining about something you see in my columns, about my language or some joke, please remember that I am providing this onerous service at no extra charge.

Zbig Brother even excuses Stalin’s purges and mass murders. Page 134ff: “Yet though Stalinism may have been a needless tragedy for both the Russian people and communism as an ideal, there is the intellectually tantalizing possibility that for the world at large it was, as we shall see, a blessing in disguise. . . .” What? Yes. You see, “the internal violence employed by Stalin . . . had a restraining effect on unbridled nationalism.”

But isn’t Zbig today fanatically opposed to the continuing Soviet Union? Yes, he is, but not because he opposes Marxism. As we have seen, he is a lifelong Marxist. He opposes the Soviets precisely because he loves Marxism so much. He believes the Communists have misused it. He believes that he, Zbigniew Brzezinski, could impose it correctly, the way old Karl himself would have done it.

Enter David Rockefeller. David is a confessed traitor, a conspirator who is working in a secret cabal to destroy the United States. What? David Rockefeller? How do we know that? In 2002, Random House, in New York, published his Memoirs. Remember, this is not someone accusing him of something. This is David Rockefeller himself talking on page 405:

For more than a century, ideological extremists at either end of the political spectrum have seized upon well-publicized incidents to attack the Rockefeller family for the inordinate influence they claim we wield over American political and economic institutions. Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as "internationalists" and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure - one world, if you will. If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it.

Because this sleazy extrusion of an unmarried female canine is a traitor – because he loves totalitarianism – he was naturally attracted to lifelong Marxist Zbigniew Brzezinski. Zbig became David’s prime minister. In 1973, under David’s direction, Zbig formed the Trilateral Commission, which is the foreign ministry of the Council on Foreign Relations, a preeminent founder of which was Marxist Edward M. House.

Both these groups work tirelessly to promote world government, which would mean the abolition of our own. Remember, the United States government and world government are mutually exclusive. You can’t have them both at the same time. If you are working for the latter, you are trying to destroy the former.

In 1976, Zbig and David literally interviewed dour peanut farmer Jimmy Carter at David’s Tarrytown estate. They liked what they heard and installed Democrat Jimmy as President of the United States. From the beginning, Jimmy was a Rockefeller factotum. Zbig Brother was his National Security Adviser. Jimmy came close to wrecking our economy. Okay, but what does all this have to do with the 2008 campaign?

In the 2000 campaign, Zbigniew Brzezinski, lifelong Marxist, was foreign policy adviser to Senator John McCain, who said this: “I am honored that Zbigniew Brzezinski will join my foreign policy team. As a former national security adviser and a highly respected foreign policy expert, his broad experience makes him an invaluable asset to my team.” So Zbig went from Democrat Jimmy to Republican John. Remember that at the top – above the candidates – you have one party with two branches.

What about this year? This year, Zbig is back, running foreign policy for Hussein. Indeed, remember Mark, son of Zbig? Mark was one of the sons to whom Zbig dedicated Between Two Ages in 1970. Mark is all grown up now and shaving. Can you imagine? Mark is foreign policy adviser to Senator Hussein. So who is foreign policy adviser to Senator McCain this year? The envelope please! El Senador Juan McCain’s foreign policy adviser this year is Ian Brzezinski, the other Zbigniew son.

That is correct. Lifelong Marxist Zbigniew Brzezinski – David Rockefeller’s Prime Minister - controls both sides of the forthcoming charade through his sons. Again, you can relax. It really makes no difference who wins. The only difference will be a difference in style, a difference in personality, natural differences peculiar to us all. Remember, David Rockefeller admits, boasts, that he and his family exercise inordinate influence over the United States. This is how he does it.

Do you need to know anything more to understand that a literal conspiracy controls both main political parties, and that at the top – above the candidates – both parties are the same? What was that you said about “change?” Remember, Zbig ran foreign policy for McCain in the 2000 campaign. This year, Hussein is just as much a factotum of Goldman Sachs and other instrumentalities of world government as McCain.

Notice that our Communist media say nothing about this. They understand perfectly well that if they sass David Rockefeller they could lose their jobs. So they specialize in arguing about lesser fry. So, sure, vote next week, but do so with the assurance that it makes no difference; that the conspiracy for world government has already chosen our next President. He is Rockefeller prime minister and Marxist Zbigniew Brzezinski.

Long live Zbig Brother!

[Announcement: Alan Stang's new radio show, The Sting of Stang, will debut on Monday, July 14th, 7 to 8 a.m., Central, M-F, via Republic Broadcasting Network. To listen, go to republicbroadcasting.org and click on Listen Live. Call in is 800 313-9443. If you can't listen at that time, do so via the archives, which are free. I'll be talking about the various manifestations of the conspiracy for world government, its tactics, such as the illegal alien invasion, its purposes and its players, from Jorge W. Boosh on down.]

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Alan Stang was one of Mike Wallace’s original writers at Channel 13 in New York, where he wrote some of the scripts that sent Mike to CBS. Stang has been a radio talk show host himself. In Los Angeles, he went head to head nightly with Larry King, and, according to Arbitron, had almost twice as many listeners. He has been a foreign correspondent. He has written hundreds of feature magazine articles in national magazines and some fifteen books, for which he has won many awards, including a citation from the Pennsylvania House of Representatives for journalistic excellence. One of Stang’s exposés stopped a criminal attempt to seize control of New Mexico, where a gang seized a court house, held a judge hostage and killed a deputy. The scheme was close to success before Stang intervened. Another Stang exposé inspired major reforms in federal labor legislation.

His first book, It’s Very Simple: The True Story of Civil Rights, was an instant best-seller. His first novel, The Highest Virtue, set in the Russian Revolution, won smashing reviews and five stars, top rating, from the West Coast Review of Books, which gave five stars in only one per cent of its reviews.

Stang has lectured in every American state and around the world and has guested on many top shows, including CNN’s Cross Fire. Because he and his wife had the most kids in Santo Domingo, the Dominican Republic, where they lived at the time, the entire family was chosen to be actors in “Havana,” directed by Sydney Pollack and starring Robert Redford, the most expensive movie ever made (at the time). Alan Stang is the man in the ridiculous Harry Truman shirt with the pasted-down hair. He says they made him do it.

Website: AlanStang.com

E-Mail: stangfeedback@gmail.com


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Those that claimed to support Ron Paul and now support Che o'bama el Diablo never supported Ron Paul to begin with. Effing Traitors.

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#1. To: Rotara (#0)

sting of stang bump

Iran Truth Now!

Lod  posted on  2008-10-30   12:12:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: lodwick, James Deffenbach, Christine, Jethro Tull, Original_Intent, TwentyTwelve, wudidiz, Cynicom, noone222, bluegrass, Flintlock (#1)

What about this year? This year, Zbig is back, running foreign policy for Hussein. Indeed, remember Mark, son of Zbig? Mark was one of the sons to whom Zbig dedicated Between Two Ages in 1970. Mark is all grown up now and shaving. Can you imagine? Mark is foreign policy adviser to Senator Hussein. So who is foreign policy adviser to Senator McCain this year? The envelope please! El Senador Juan McCain’s foreign policy adviser this year is Ian Brzezinski, the other Zbigniew son.

Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah !

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-10-30   12:21:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: farmfriend (#2)

stang sting ping

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-10-30   12:40:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Rotara (#0)

Stang's mostly correct yet he has a problem with discussing the taproot of the corruption:

www.newswithviews.com/Stang/alan60.htm

Ahmadinejad in 2008!
Everyone agrees that unanimity is hard to find.

bluegrass  posted on  2008-10-30   14:03:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Rotara (#0)

Zbig Brother even excuses Stalin’s purges and mass murders. Page 134ff: “Yet though Stalinism may have been a needless tragedy for both the Russian people and communism as an ideal, there is the intellectually tantalizing possibility that for the world at large it was, as we shall see, a blessing in disguise. . . .” What? Yes. You see, “the internal violence employed by Stalin . . . had a restraining effect on unbridled nationalism.”

Purges. Just like the Weathermen plot. Obama sure has lots 'positive change' advisors. Didn't Obama say something like we have this chance to 'begin the world anew'?

Seems he left out the 'without you' part. Byebye useless eaters.

OliviaFNewton  posted on  2008-10-30   14:39:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: bluegrass (#4)

I don't see a problem with that series of articles. Stang's point is valid: when do you stop being a Jew? When you violate all the tenets of the religion? Or can you always be a Jew that commits horrible acts? Clinton for sure isn't a Christian, but that's where he probably started.

Obviously there are jews involved in this whole scary deal, but not everyone involved is Jewish. What do you want to do, kill all the Jews?

echo5sierra  posted on  2008-10-30   21:38:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Rotara (#2)

And the third child, Mika, is a reporter for MSNBC; she is on Joe Scarborough's show. Let's call her and tell her to break the story on Zbig's treason!

echo5sierra  posted on  2008-10-30   21:39:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: echo5sierra (#6)

Obviously there are jews involved in this whole scary deal, but not everyone involved is Jewish. What do you want to do, kill all the Jews?

I've been trying for what seems like an eternity now.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-10-30   21:39:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: echo5sierra (#7) (Edited)

And the third child, Mika, is a reporter for MSNBC; she is on Joe Scarborough's show. Let's call her and tell her to break the story on Zbig's treason!

Mika is a Globalist porn star !!

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-10-30   21:40:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: OliviaFNewton (#5)

Didn't Obama say something like we have this chance to 'begin the world anew'?

Utopia, world socialist style, globally with no opt out, is on the way !!!

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-10-30   21:41:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: All (#0)

In 1970, Zbigniew Brzezinski wrote a book entitled Between Two Ages: America’s Role in the Technetronic Era (New York, Viking Press). Let’s browse through it to find out what Zbigniew is. Zbig dedicates the book to Ian, Mark and Mika, his kids. A nice touch, don’t you think? He’s a family man. Starting on page 72 of my Penguin edition, he explains “why Marxism represents a further vital and creative stage in the maturing of man’s universal vision.”

Son of a bitch should be hanging from a lamp pole or in exile, at the very least !

Fucking Traitor son of a bitch. Asshole !!

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-10-30   21:48:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Rotara (#10)

Utopia, world socialist style, globally with no opt out, is on the way !!!

No joke.

OliviaFNewton  posted on  2008-10-30   21:48:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: echo5sierra (#6)

Obviously there are jews involved in this whole scary deal, but not everyone involved is Jewish. What do you want to do, kill all the Jews?

Not in the least. Here's the email I sent to him to which he responded:

Hi Mr. Stang-

Long time reader, first time emailer...

I expect that we'll agree on many points and disagree on a few. The few points aren't trivial, sadly.

Granted, there are many Jews that oppose the Plan. My great-grandfather, A German Jew that came here in the 1910's, was one of them and passed the info onto me. He gave up on the Tribe and didn't have much use for Christians either. The Corrupt are the Corrupt, no matter what label they try to give themselves otherwise. Those labels are always tools for division and the more nationalistic and emotional the label, the more the divisiveness that ensues.

In "KHAZARS, COMMUNISTS, ZIONISTS AND THESE UNITED STATES" (www.newswithviews.com/Stang/alan60.htm), you said:

"Of course, the conspiracy for world government uses this weapon brilliantly – and may even have devised it – to confuse and neutralize opposition."

In the same King James Bible that you quoted from in the piece, there's this:

"For the LORD thy God blesseth thee, as he promised thee: and thou shalt lend unto many nations, but thou shalt not borrow; and thou shalt reign over many nations, but they shall not reign over thee." -Deuteronomy 15:6

That's the earliest plan for world government that I can find in any book, scripture or otherwise. That Jewish law is unique in its treatment of Jews and non-Jews in the lending of money is also a large red arrow pointing toward the root of the Conspiracy. It would also help to explain why Orthodox Jews are running the Fed and Homeland Security at this moment in history. Were Helicopter Ben and Rabbi Mike Muslims or nutjob Christians, it'd be front page news. No mention in the lamestream that I can see, though.

If Obama keeps Mike and Ben on after he ascends the throne, that will tell me what I need to know.

I was curious to know if you've read Douglas Reed's "Controversy of Zion" in which he observed:

knud.eriksen.adr.dk/Contr...ok/TheWorldRevolution.htm

"The 19th Century, in the West, differed from the preceding eighteen centuries of the Christian era there in the emergence of two movements with a converging aim, which by the century's end dominated all its affairs.

The one movement, Zionism, aimed at reassembling a dispersed nation in a territory promised to it by the Jewish god; the second movement, Communism, aimed at the destruction of separate nationhood as such.

Thus these two movements appeared at first sight to be fixedly opposed to each other, for the one made nationalism its religion, even its god, and the other dec1ared war to the death on nationalism. This antagonism was only apparent, and in truth the two movements ran on parallel tracks, not head on towards a collision on the same line. For the god who promised land to the nation to be gathered-in also promised to set it "above all people that are upon the face of the earth" and to destroy all other nations "with a mighty destruction until they be destroyed". The world-revolution, which pursued the second of these aims, thus fulfilled the condition set for the first of them; either by accident or by design, it too was doing the will of Jehovah.

That being so, the historian's task is to find out, if he can, what relationship existed between the organizers of Zionism and those of the world-revolution. If there was none, and the parallelism of purpose was coincidental, then history was evidently having a little joke with the West. If relationship can be shown, the pattern of the last 170 years prefigures the shape of coming events; in that case the world-revolution has been the handmaiden of Zion."

As for Jesus being a Jew, not many observant Jews have ever claimed him as one though that seems to be changing, albeit on a smaller scale than I'd like.

You also stated:

"Now, what about the big names in the “Jewish Conspiracy,” the Rothschilds, the Warburgs, the Schiffs, the Morgenthaus, etc.? In the Antelman book (p. 166), we read that they strenuously opposed Zionism, opposed creation of a Jewish state. When they saw they couldn’t stop it, they came aboard and took control. "

That's incorrect. The Rothschild hesitation against backing Zionism per se involved the realpolitik of not pushing a Jewish state as long the Ottoman Empire existed. After WWI, it was all stops out. Nathan Rothschild tried to buy Palestine from the Sultan in 1826. I have the newspaper article from that year if you'd like to see it. The Sultan told him to take a hike. In the 19th century, the Rothschilds backed many of the kibbutzes and colonies in Palestine. The Sultan ordered his people to stop selling land to Rothschild. In return, Rothschild began setting up dummy shell companies to try and disguise land purchases...

My larger point is that Zionism is the crux of the modern conspiracy as I can find no older ideology that seeks what it seeks. Agree or disagree, I still have a great regard for your research.

best wishes to you and yours.

Ahmadinejad in 2008!
Everyone agrees that unanimity is hard to find.

bluegrass  posted on  2008-10-30   21:51:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: OliviaFNewton (#12)

Utopia, world socialist style, globally with no opt out, is on the way !!!

No joke.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-10-30   21:51:50 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: bluegrass (#13)

"For the LORD thy God blesseth thee, as he promised thee: and thou shalt lend unto many nations, but thou shalt not borrow; and thou shalt reign over many nations, but they shall not reign over thee." -Deuteronomy 15:6

What does the original text say? Have you used a concordance with which to study the original text?

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-10-30   21:54:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Rotara (#15)

It's the Hebrew verse also:

"For the LORD thy God will bless thee, as He promised thee; and thou shalt lend unto many nations, but thou shalt not borrow; and thou shalt rule over many nations, but they shall not rule over thee." www.mechon-mamre.org/p/pt/pt0515.htm

Ahmadinejad in 2008!
Everyone agrees that unanimity is hard to find.

bluegrass  posted on  2008-10-30   22:11:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Rotara (#15)

It's also Deut 28:12-13:

"12 The LORD shall open unto thee his good treasure, the heaven to give the rain unto thy land in his season, and to bless all the work of thine hand: and thou shalt lend unto many nations, and thou shalt not borrow. And the LORD shall make thee the head, and not the tail; and thou shalt be above only, and thou shalt not be beneath; if that thou hearken unto the commandments of the LORD thy God, which I command thee this day, to observe and to do them: 14 And thou shalt not go aside from any of the words which I command thee this day, to the right hand, or to the left, to go after other gods to serve them."

Ahmadinejad in 2008!
Everyone agrees that unanimity is hard to find.

bluegrass  posted on  2008-10-30   22:13:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: bluegrass (#13)

Did he reply to your email?

echo5sierra  posted on  2008-10-30   22:15:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: bluegrass (#17)

So that answers it??

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-10-30   22:16:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: bluegrass (#17)

There it is right there! God said he would do all those things, IF they follow his word, and hearken to his commandments. Deuteronomy is stuffed with these if=then statements by God.

I think we can safely assume that the Israelites did not hearken to the word of God, therefore they don't receive the promises God laid out to them in those verses.

echo5sierra  posted on  2008-10-30   22:17:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: echo5sierra (#18)

Yes.

Ahmadinejad in 2008!
Everyone agrees that unanimity is hard to find.

bluegrass  posted on  2008-10-30   22:31:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Rotara (#19)

It's in Deuteronomy, the source of the Shema. If the conversation is about the source of the concept of ruling by One World Govt., that about answers it, imo. But I'm always open to reason.

Ahmadinejad in 2008!
Everyone agrees that unanimity is hard to find.

bluegrass  posted on  2008-10-30   22:36:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: bluegrass, Rotara (#17)

and thou shalt lend unto many nations, and thou shalt not borrow.

Interesting


I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs. —Thomas Jefferson, 1802

farmfriend  posted on  2008-10-30   22:39:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: bluegrass (#22)

It takes great faith imo.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-10-30   22:41:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: echo5sierra (#20)

Deuteronomy is stuffed with these if=then statements by God.

God is the Greatest Coder. ; )

I think we can safely assume that the Israelites did not hearken to the word of God, therefore they don't receive the promises God laid out to them in those verses.

That's beside the point. The issue was what is the source of the concept of the NWO/OWG.

Ahmadinejad in 2008!
Everyone agrees that unanimity is hard to find.

bluegrass  posted on  2008-10-30   22:41:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Rotara (#24)

It takes great faith imo.

You lost me. Not hard to do. Clarify, please?

Ahmadinejad in 2008!
Everyone agrees that unanimity is hard to find.

bluegrass  posted on  2008-10-30   22:42:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: farmfriend (#23)

and thou shalt lend unto many nations, and thou shalt not borrow.

Interesting

The moment I completely cut the tether I'm going into some heavy duty bible study with a solid old Armstrong's Concordance.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-10-30   22:42:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: bluegrass (#25)

That's beside the point. The issue was what is the source of the concept of the NWO/OWG.

Doesn't Revelation clearly show there will be one?


I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs. —Thomas Jefferson, 1802

farmfriend  posted on  2008-10-30   22:43:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: bluegrass (#26)

It takes great faith imo.

You lost me. Not hard to do. Clarify, please?

It takes great faith to understand Jews and love them in a world of deceit that they love so seemingly much. ;-)

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-10-30   22:44:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: farmfriend (#28)

That's beside the point. The issue was what is the source of the concept of the NWO/OWG.

Doesn't Revelation clearly show there will be one?

I always viewed that as the revived Roman Empire, i.e. the EU and / or Vatican.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-10-30   22:44:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Rotara (#27)

The moment I completely cut the tether I'm going into some heavy duty bible study with a solid old Armstrong's Concordance.

When I was in my early twenties/late teens I had a client who saved a bunch of religious books, many translations of the Bible and a Strong's Exhaustive concordance. She was going to spend her retirement years in study. She went blind before she got there. Don't wait.


I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs. —Thomas Jefferson, 1802

farmfriend  posted on  2008-10-30   22:45:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Rotara (#30)

I always viewed that as the revived Roman Empire, i.e. the EU and / or Vatican.

I think it is open to interpretation. I've seen many different views on Revelation including one that suggested he was talking about contemporary current events.


I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs. —Thomas Jefferson, 1802

farmfriend  posted on  2008-10-30   22:47:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: farmfriend (#31)

Strong's, that's it. ;-) Good advice, thank you and God bless you and yours.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-10-30   22:49:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Rotara (#33)

God bless you and yours.

Likewise.


I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs. —Thomas Jefferson, 1802

farmfriend  posted on  2008-10-30   22:50:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: bluegrass (#25)

I think I got you. The Zionists used that as their source material, thinking that God has ordained their supremacy?

echo5sierra  posted on  2008-10-30   22:52:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: echo5sierra, bluegrass (#35)

The Zionists used that as their source material, thinking that God has ordained their supremacy?

The program got perverted but God is sovereign and made a dozen roses out of a booger or what ??

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-10-30   22:54:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: farmfriend (#28)

Doesn't Revelation clearly show there will be one?

Ask yourself something:

Who wrote the Old and New Testaments?

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bluegrass  posted on  2008-10-30   23:00:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: bluegrass (#37)

Who wrote the Old and New Testaments?

Doesn't matter. I'm only concerned with the truth contained there in. I value the spirit of discernment.


I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs. —Thomas Jefferson, 1802

farmfriend  posted on  2008-10-30   23:02:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: farmfriend, Rotara, echo5sierra (#23)

Are you all familiar with Acts 7:42-43 and Amos 5:26?

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bluegrass  posted on  2008-10-30   23:05:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Rotara (#29)

It takes great faith to understand Jews and love them in a world of deceit that they love so seemingly much. ;-)

I've had aholes in my family, and have probably been one, but we all come back around.

You are a very wise soul, btw. ; )

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bluegrass  posted on  2008-10-30   23:07:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: bluegrass (#39)

Are you all familiar with Acts 7:42-43 and Amos 5:26?

I wasn't but having now read them I think they do apply.


I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs. —Thomas Jefferson, 1802

farmfriend  posted on  2008-10-30   23:13:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: echo5sierra (#35)

The Zionists used that as their source material, thinking that God has ordained their supremacy?

And the Masons, any number of European royal cliquelines, the Nazis that copied Biblical race law, Christians of many flavors, Muslims...

I think everyone's taken a piece of the stone-age "we rule!" doctrine. I'm attempting to establish the source. In our culture, it's this collection of writings that is the source.

I have a link re: this topic that'll I'll find. I'll ping you.

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bluegrass  posted on  2008-10-30   23:15:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: farmfriend (#41)

The six-pointed star is Moloch/Saturn/Chronos/Chiun. In my mind, it's literally an old-school gang sign.

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bluegrass  posted on  2008-10-30   23:29:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: bluegrass (#43)

The six-pointed star is Moloch/Saturn/Chronos/Chiun. In my mind, it's literally an old-school gang sign.

Star of David ?

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-10-30   23:33:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: Rotara (#44)

Yes. The hexagram. Whatever one wishes to call it.

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bluegrass  posted on  2008-10-30   23:35:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: bluegrass (#40)

You are a very wise soul, btw. ; )

You're very kind. ~

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-10-30   23:36:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: bluegrass (#45)

Yes. The hexagram. Whatever one wishes to call it.

Predates David's reign ?

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-10-30   23:37:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: Rotara (#47)

It's a very old symbol, like the fylfot/swastika. One of my interpretations of the 20th century is that it was a battle between those two old symbolic forces and all of the twisting of meaning that went with them.

The hexagram landed on the American dollar (above the eagle on the back of the bill, the thirteen stars make the hex) in about 1935 or so. Here's a Coke sign from 1916:

Click on it for the larger image.

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bluegrass  posted on  2008-10-30   23:50:22 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: Rotara, farmfriend, echo5sierra (#47)

Here's a cover of the Tibetan Book of the Dead. These two symbols were combined in Asia but became separated as they went west.

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#50. To: Rotara (#47)

Predates David's reign ?

yes.


I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs. —Thomas Jefferson, 1802

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#51. To: bluegrass (#49)

Excellent documentation.


I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs. —Thomas Jefferson, 1802

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#52. To: farmfriend (#51)

Thank you. I try.

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#53. To: bluegrass (#49)

I was in Thailand a couple years ago, near Pattaya Beach. We went to a Buddhist history/art exhibit. I noticed that all the Buddhas dedicated to science/life had the swastika on their chests. It use to be a symbol for life.

echo5sierra  posted on  2008-10-31   1:25:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: echo5sierra (#53)

I noticed that all the Buddhas dedicated to science/life had the swastika on their chests.

It's my theory that because of the universal presence of the swastika/fylfot (and its meaning), it HAD to be given an evil connotation to destroy the commonality of the symbol. It was known from Asia to Europe to North and South America and crossed all racial and cultural divides.

The financiers and industrialists that backed Hitler knew very well what they were doing in getting that symbol in front of a narcissistic little popinjay like Uncle Adolph. Those fckers are always looking for any method to destroy any tie that binds us.

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