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Title: Russian Professor Predicts Fall of U.S. in 2010
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URL Source: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123051100709638419.html
Published: Dec 29, 2008
Author: Andrew Osborn
Post Date: 2008-12-29 15:13:45 by christine
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MOSCOW -- For a decade, Russian academic Igor Panarin has been predicting the U.S. will fall apart in 2010. For most of that time, he admits, few took his argument -- that an economic and moral collapse will trigger a civil war and the eventual breakup of the U.S. -- very seriously. Now he's found an eager audience: Russian state media In recent weeks, he's been interviewed as much as twice a day about his predictions. "It's a record," says Prof. Panarin. "But I think the attention is going to grow even stronger." Prof. Panarin, 50 years old, is not a fringe figure. A former KGB analyst, he is dean of the Russian Foreign Ministry's academy for future diplomats. He is invited to Kremlin receptions, lectures students, publishes books, and appears in the media as an expert on U.S.-Russia relations. But it's his bleak forecast for the U.S. that is music to the ears of the Kremlin, which in recent years has blamed Washington for everything from instability in the Middle East to the global financial crisis. Mr. Panarin's views also fit neatly with the Kremlin's narrative that Russia is returning to its rightful place on the world stage after the weakness of the 1990s, when many feared that the country would go economically and politically bankrupt and break into separate territories. A polite and cheerful man with a buzz cut, Mr. Panarin insists he does not dislike Americans. But he warns that the outlook for them is dire. "There's a 55-45% chance right now that disintegration will occur," he says. "One could rejoice in that process," he adds, poker-faced. "But if we're talking reasonably, it's not the best scenario -- for Russia." Though Russia would become more powerful on the global stage, he says, its economy would suffer because it currently depends heavily on the dollar and on trade with the U.S. Mr. Panarin posits, in brief, that mass immigration, economic decline, and moral degradation will trigger a civil war next fall and the collapse of the dollar. Around the end of June 2010, or early July, he says, the U.S. will break into six pieces -- with Alaska reverting to Russian control. In addition to increasing coverage in state media, which are tightly controlled by the Kremlin, Mr. Panarin's ideas are now being widely discussed among local experts. He presented his theory at a recent roundtable discussion at the Foreign Ministry. The country's top international relations school has hosted him as a keynote speaker. During an appearance on the state TV channel Rossiya, the station cut between his comments and TV footage of lines at soup kitchens and crowds of homeless people in the U.S. The professor has also been featured on the Kremlin's English-language propaganda channel, Russia Today. Mr. Panarin's apocalyptic vision "reflects a very pronounced degree of anti-Americanism in Russia today," says Vladimir Pozner, a prominent TV journalist in Russia. "It's much stronger than it was in the Soviet Union." Mr. Pozner and other Russian commentators and experts on the U.S. dismiss Mr. Panarin's predictions. "Crazy ideas are not usually discussed by serious people," says Sergei Rogov, director of the government-run Institute for U.S. and Canadian Studies, who thinks Mr. Panarin's theories don't hold water. Mr. Panarin's résumé includes many years in the Soviet KGB, an experience shared by other top Russian officials. His office, in downtown Moscow, shows his national pride, with pennants on the wall bearing the emblem of the FSB, the KGB's successor agency. It is also full of statuettes of eagles; a double-headed eagle was the symbol of czarist Russia. The professor says he began his career in the KGB in 1976. In post-Soviet Russia, he got a doctorate in political science, studied U.S. economics, and worked for FAPSI, then the Russian equivalent of the U.S. National Security Agency. He says he did strategy forecasts for then-President Boris Yeltsin, adding that the details are "classified." In September 1998, he attended a conference in Linz, Austria, devoted to information warfare, the use of data to get an edge over a rival. It was there, in front of 400 fellow delegates, that he first presented his theory about the collapse of the U.S. in 2010. "When I pushed the button on my computer and the map of the United States disintegrated, hundreds of people cried out in surprise," he remembers. He says most in the audience were skeptical. "They didn't believe me." At the end of the presentation, he says many delegates asked him to autograph copies of the map showing a dismembered U.S. He based the forecast on classified data supplied to him by FAPSI analysts, he says. He predicts that economic, financial and demographic trends will provoke a political and social crisis in the U.S. When the going gets tough, he says, wealthier states will withhold funds from the federal government and effectively secede from the union. Social unrest up to and including a civil war will follow. The U.S. will then split along ethnic lines, and foreign powers will move in. California will form the nucleus of what he calls "The Californian Republic," and will be part of China or under Chinese influence. Texas will be the heart of "The Texas Republic," a cluster of states that will go to Mexico or fall under Mexican influence. Washington, D.C., and New York will be part of an "Atlantic America" that may join the European Union. Canada will grab a group of Northern states Prof. Panarin calls "The Central North American Republic." Hawaii, he suggests, will be a protectorate of Japan or China, and Alaska will be subsumed into Russia. "It would be reasonable for Russia to lay claim to Alaska; it was part of the Russian Empire for a long time." A framed satellite image of the Bering Strait that separates Alaska from Russia like a thread hangs from his office wall. "It's not there for no reason," he says with a sly grin. Interest in his forecast revived this fall when he published an article in Izvestia, one of Russia's biggest national dailies. In it, he reiterated his theory, called U.S. foreign debt "a pyramid scheme," and predicted China and Russia would usurp Washington's role as a global financial regulator. Americans hope President-elect Barack Obama "can work miracles," he wrote. "But when spring comes, it will be clear that there are no miracles." The article prompted a question about the White House's reaction to Prof. Panarin's forecast at a December news conference. "I'll have to decline to comment," spokeswoman Dana Perino said amid much laughter. For Prof. Panarin, Ms. Perino's response was significant. "The way the answer was phrased was an indication that my views are being listened to very carefully," he says. The professor says he's convinced that people are taking his theory more seriously. People like him have forecast similar cataclysms before, he says, and been right. He cites French political scientist Emmanuel Todd. Mr. Todd is famous for having rightly forecast the demise of the Soviet Union -- 15 years beforehand. "When he forecast the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1976, people laughed at him," says Prof. Panarin.
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#21. To: randge (#17)
Thanks for that source.
A breakup of the US seems more possible now than at anytime since 1860. Will god's darlings allow the disintegration? Will it be good for Jews? Your guess is as good as mine. They could bring millions of foreign troops--Israelis, NATO, Russians, Chinese, Latin Americans, etc. into the US to preserve the Union, thus, taking a page out of Abraham Lincoln's book. When Black Obama takes the oath of office, he plans to use the same Jew Book Lincoln did.
Life is a tragedy to those who feel, and a comedy to those who think.
Not without blood running in the streets, ours if they have their way.
"I have been through some terrible things in my life, some of which actually happened." ~ Mark Twain
The U.S. isn't going to break up. I've never yet met a foreiger who had any understanding of the U.S., and that includes this Russian goofball.
Have pug, will laugh.
What are these white russians doing trying to tell us, the black men who built this country, what will happen in the future, when they have rioting in their streets and a youth population ready for anarchy?
Change will not come if we wait for some other person or some other time. I am the one we've been waiting for. I am the change that we seek. Barack Obama
Don't we have that already in the Declaration of Independence?
If enough states vote on it, they can dissolve the federal government.
Have pug, will laugh.
My worry is a constitutional convention. They are pushing hard for that and you know whatever the intent is not what we would get. The powers that be would lock whatever they want into immovable stone!
Don't we have that already in the Declaration of Independence? By peaceable means Dahlink. Just as important, if not more so, is to establish a means to allow citizens to challenge unconstitutional actions short of taking up arms. A body senior to the Supreme Court which is responsible for enforcing the Constitution and nothing else. With the power to remove office holders from office for violating it. As well I would propose a third chamber in the Congress whose sole responsibility is to pass on the Constitutionality of any new law and which has veto authority over any law found contrary to a strict reading of the written Constitution ONLY. None of this "Stare Decisis" Bullshit where the Supreme Court refers to a previous bad decision to validate a current bad decision.
""I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
My worry is a constitutional convention. They are pushing hard for that and you know whatever the intent is not what we would get. The powers that be would lock whatever they want into immovable stone! Agreed. In the current climate of control by a foreign interest, the Whorehouse of Rotchild, any Constitution Convention WILL be used to wreak havoc upon individual liberties. The Constitution is the one impediment that they have not been able to entirely circumvent. You can bet that somewhere in the background of this current push for a Constitutional Convention are agents of the Whorehouse of Rotchild.
""I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
I'd like to know how he drew this map. It all smells of bullshit to me. Like a south Texas feedlot on a hot muggy July. Civil war, yes. Chinese invasion, no. .
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files Nehemiah 4:14 And I looked and arose and said to the nobles and to the officials and to the rest of the people, “Do not be afraid of them. Remember the Lord, who is great and awesome, and fight for your brothers, your sons, your daughters, your wives, and your homes.”
Yes I would love to see the SC act as intented by the framers and Congress themselves hold to their oath of office.
Of that there is no doubt. You know the Patriot Act would become part of any constitution and provisions would be added to make it easier to bring about the NAU. They would solidify all those things they have done that are currently unconstituional and could be reversed.
Wait a minute.... The "government " is the enemy of the people. THE PROBLEM IS THAT TOO MANY OF THE PEOPLE ARE ASLEEP.
The problem was that the framers did not envision a situation where a foreign power, with the aid of domestic traitors, would establish a control so pervasive as to constitute a secret government controlling the open government.
""I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
Of that there is no doubt. You know the Patriot Act would become part of any constitution and provisions would be added to make it easier to bring about the NAU. They would solidify all those things they have done that are currently unconstituional and could be reversed. Exactly. And you could say good bye to the 2nd Amendment, which scares the crap out of our would-be masters and mistresses, as well as freedom of speech which would be redefined as "responsible speech" with the government deciding what is and is not "responsible". Criticism of the government of course would be irresponsible since the "luvvvvvvvvvvvvvv" us so much.
""I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
Indeed. The Fathers had their own shortcomings in that they assumed those following them would also have good intentions. Now we see the fallacy of that assumption. They also rejected term limits as they could not envision anyone making a lifelong career of politics. There were no evil men among the Fathers but they should have known such men would arise.
There were a few that bordered on venal though. I have seen it argued that Hamilton was beholden to London Bankers. And the curious point of why did they make sure that Jefferson was shipped over to France while the Constitutional Convention took place? The Founders were liberty minded men but there also some Patricians who sought to enshrine their own class as much as possible.
""I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
If it happens, be sure to know that there will be PLENTY of dual-nationalists representing that slc there.
In Madisons notes there are fears expressed by the genteel that they must be careful to set up such a frame work of government that the masses could never win control. This was rejected but it has always been so anyway. The elite of wealth, power or position have always ruled and it continues.
If it happens, be sure to know that there will be PLENTY of dual-nationalists representing that slc there. "A house divided cannot stand." ~ Abraham Lincoln I doubt that Lincoln had our current situation in mind but the sentiment applies. A pox upon those who claim to be loyal to two masters when it is in reality a lie and that they are loyal to a nation other than the United States. Personally, if I had my way, all of the "dual nationalists" would be shipped to where their loyalties really lie. We both know where most of them would be shipped to. I also firmly believe that there should be a Constitutional absolute prohibition for anyone serving in a position within the Feral Government to be simultaneously a citizen of another country. They are NOT to be trusted - EVER.
""I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
This was rejected but it has always been so anyway. The elite of wealth, power or position have always ruled and it continues. However, there were a few incidents which curbed some of the abuses - "Shay's Rebellion" comes to mind - as well as early Republican Philadelphia. My problem is not so much with our own Patricians as I am most sorely vexed at those in London and Tel Aviv who are manipulating and controlling our government through blackmail, bribery, and extortion. The reality is that we can give name to them - mostly the Rotchilds and their allies and minions. Israel I count as a wholly owned subsidiary of the Whorehouse of Rotchild. If Nathan Rothschild catches a cold Israel sneezes.
""I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
I would say that by definition, anyone not forsaking any other allegiances, should not be able to be a citizen here. The founders just didn't imagine that that slc would ever come about on the world's rump.
This is original... Rahm emanuel will sit behind the Oval office desk, with a direct line to Tel Aviv. Rahm Obongowitz will have a desk in the Oval Office cloak room with a direct line to Kentucky Fried chicken. Hey, I know, no respect for my betters.
I think they did, that's why the warned against foreign entanglments.
I think they did, that's why the warned against foreign entanglments. That was Washington in his "Farewell Address". However, his main point was to eschew infatuations with foreign powers and was not, I do not believe, about a foreign power establishing networks to subvert and control our government. There is nothing there about foreign interests controlling virtually all of the mass means of communication (which did not include Movies, TV, or Radio at that time). The control is now so pervasive that most people simply do not even see it. It certainly is not discussed within the major media. The information control works hand in glove with the political control and both are operated by the same elements. What we have is a rather unique situation in that the Israeli Government, the Banking House of Rothschild, and the British Monarchy, have established remote controls on our government through blackmail, extortion, murder, fraud, and by putting their Agents in positions of control and authority within our government. It is impossible, in this time, to be elected to national office without prostrating one's self before the Graven Image of that unholy triumvirate. One must, most obsequiously grovel before Israel to be elected IN THE UNITED STATES. At the center of the web of deceit and criminality lies a bare handful of multi-generational criminal families (Rothschild, Rockefeller, Warburg, Carnegie, Mellon, Hapsburg, et. al., ...) who treat graft and murder as "normal business tools". The Italian Mafia has nothing on these psychotic bastards. However, what everyone always forgets, or doesn't see, is that some of top mobsters in the Roaring Twenties had names like Siegel, Legs Diamond, et. al., .... The Mafia, or more correctly Organized Crime, was not even then solely an Italian operation. If you recall the main protagonist in Godfather II was NOT Italian. Read my Sig line again - I put it there because what Bertrand Russel was predicting in the 30's has come to pass. The general public is mind controlled through the media, and the government is controlled through media control, murder, fraud, deception, extortion, blackmail etc., .... It is only by the fluke of unintended consequences, the opening of the Internet, that this is even now becoming more widely known, but knowing it and "getting it" are two different things. People have got to "get" that the media is not their friend (and it is neither left or right - that is simply more PsyOps put forth by such agents of disinformation as Rush Limbaugh - why do you think he does drugs to dull his awareness of what he is doing?), and does not have their interests at heart. The media is a mechanism of CONTROL, and it is very effective at it. Underlying all of this are long term researches, Psychiatrists and Psychologists, who have learned exactly which buttons to push and how to make the general public, the Sheeple, dance exactly on tune.
""I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
OI... Programmed, programmed, programmed.
Programmed, programmed, programmed. I know, but I have to keep pushing. If I succeed in waking up even one person a month, or glory be - 2, then I am at least making headway.
""I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
OI... Agreed. Even here on 4um, one is not surprised to read posts that are programmed and the poster is unaware. The most successfully programmed people I have ever met are in the military and law enforcement. Having served with such in the distant past, their zeal was easily manipulated. Certainly not all, but a large majority.
Agreed with that. You can see the tag lines and memes when they pop up. Weasel Mike is just loaded with them - as are a couple others. Sadly, some of them have left. They could not handle the contradiction between what they were programmed to believe and the facts they were being confronted with - take Robin for example. There are Blue Pill People and Red Pill People. People like Robin, aristeides, Weasel Mike, et. al., prefer their Blue Pill slavery to freedom. They would rather be connected to a feeding tube, comatose, and entertained by idealized fantasies. The problem is that no matter how hard they run from it - the reality is running after them and the monster will eat them unless they choose to face it and slay it.
""I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
Do you know of Gen. Stand Watie?
The U.S. Constitution is no impediment to our form of government.--PJ O'Rourke
The guy is an idiot. Mexico has already fallen apart and is under the influence of the USA. The southeastern USA will never be a part of Mexico. Mexico would become a state of the USA before that would happen. If any part of any state goes to Mexico it will be extreme southern California and that won't happen. China will control nothing, including Taiwan, and the Japanese already virtually control Hawaii.
God is always good!
Not in this house hold. Years ago my ten yo son asked "Dad, why do we have all this ammo"? "Cause when ya really need it its not to be had".
"Satan / Cheney in "08" * New England (also called New Britain or Atlantica) — an expanded version including not only Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont, Rhode Island, Massachusetts and Connecticut (although omitting the Connecticut suburbs of New York City), but also the Canadian Atlantic provinces of New Brunswick, Nova Scotia, Prince Edward Island, and Newfoundland and Labrador, as well as the Gaspé Peninsula of Quebec. Capital: Boston. * The Foundry — the by-then-declining industrial areas of the northeastern United States and Great Lakes region stretching from New York City to Milwaukee, and including Chicago and Philadelphia as well as industrial Southern Ontario centering on Toronto. Capital: Detroit. * Dixie — the former Confederate States of America (today the southeastern United States) centered on Atlanta, and including most of eastern Texas to Austin. Garreau's "Dixie" also includes Kentucky (which had both Federal and Confederate governments); southern portions of Missouri, Illinois, and Indiana; and the "Little Dixie" region of southeastern Oklahoma. Finally, the region also includes most of Florida, as far south as the cities of Fort Myers and Naples. Capital: Atlanta. * The Breadbasket — most of the Great Plains states and part of the Prairie provinces: Iowa, Kansas, Minnesota, Nebraska, the Dakotas, Oklahoma, most of western Missouri, western Wisconsin, eastern Colorado, parts of Illinois and Indiana, and North Texas. Also included are some of Northern Ontario and southern Saskatchewan and Manitoba. Capital: Kansas City. * The Islands — The South Florida metropolitan area, the Florida Keys, the Caribbean, and parts of Venezuela. Capital: Miami. * Mexamerica — the southern and Central Valley portions of California as well as southern Arizona, the portion of Texas bordering on the Rio Grande, most of New Mexico and all of Mexico, centered on either Los Angeles or Mexico City (depending on whom you ask), which are significantly Spanish-speaking. Garreau's original book did not place all of Mexico within Mexamerica, but only Northern Mexico and the Baja California peninsula. Capital: Los Angeles. * Ecotopia — the Pacific Northwest coast west of the Cascade Range, stretching from Alaska down through coastal British Columbia, Washington state, Oregon and into California just north of Santa Barbara. Capital: San Francisco. * The Empty Quarter — most of Alaska, Nevada, Utah, Wyoming, Idaho, Montana and Colorado from Denver west, as well as the eastern portions of Oregon, California, Washington, all of Alberta and Northern Canada (including Nunavut, although not yet created at that time), northern Arizona, parts of New Mexico, and British Columbia east of the Coast Ranges. Capital: Denver. * Quebec — the primarily French-speaking province of Canada, whose legislature is called the National Assembly of Quebec, and which has held referenda on secession in 1980 and 1995, the latter of which the "separatists" lost narrowly. Capital: Quebec City. The earliest version used the term "Aztlan" for Mexamerica.
The U.S. Constitution is no impediment to our form of government.--PJ O'Rourke
Can I assume you are against private banks controlling the public currencies?
"Satan / Cheney in "08" Do you know of Gen. Stand Watie? I knew of him but not much about him. Your question did prompt me to do a little research and I am now a little less ignorant for the experience. Thank you.
""I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
Ummm.. yes, just a tad.
#22. To: christine (#0)
#23. To: Zoroaster (#22)
Will god's darlings allow the disintegration?
#24. To: Original_Intent (#1)
The reports of my death are greatly exaggerated." ~ Mark Twain
"It is like a trance. So what can break a trance? The only thing that can break the trance is the light of truth."
~ Canadian Philosopher John McMurtry as he comments on the psychological warfare that has afflicted us all
#25. To: christine (#0)
#26. To: christine (#0)
#27. To: Cynicom (#16)
with a new constitution, one that has the first provision on how the government can be dissolved if the people so desire.
Meet the new boss, same as the old boss — The Who
#28. To: farmfriend (#27)
Don't we have that already in the Declaration of Independence?
#29. To: Turtle, Cynicom, Original_Intent, lodwick, rotara (#28)
If enough states vote on it, they can dissolve the federal government.
Meet the new boss, same as the old boss — The Who
#30. To: farmfriend, Cynicom (#27)
with a new constitution, one that has the first provision on how the government can be dissolved if the people so desire.
#31. To: farmfriend, Turtle, Cynicom, lodwick, Rotara, christine (#29)
If enough states vote on it, they can dissolve the federal government.
#32. To: Sam Houston, Christine, All (#6)
#33. To: Original_Intent (#30)
Meet the new boss, same as the old boss — The Who
#34. To: Original_Intent, Turtle, Cynicom, lodwick, Rotara, christine (#31)
You can bet that somewhere in the background of this current push for a Constitutional Convention are agents of the Whorehouse of Rotchild.
Meet the new boss, same as the old boss — The Who
#35. To: farmfriend (#34)
#36. To: farmfriend (#33)
Yes I would love to see the SC act as intented by the framers and Congress themselves hold to their oath of office.
#37. To: farmfriend, , Turtle, Cynicom, lodwick, Rotara, christine (#34)
You can bet that somewhere in the background of this current push for a Constitutional Convention are agents of the Whorehouse of Rotchild.
#38. To: Original_Intent (#36)
The problem was that the framers did not envision a situation where a foreign power, with the aid of domestic traitors, would establish a control so pervasive as to constitute a secret government controlling the open government.
#39. To: Cynicom (#38)
They also rejected term limits as they could not envision anyone making a lifelong career of politics. There were no evil men among the Fathers but they should have known such men would arise.
#40. To: Original_Intent (#31)
You can bet that somewhere in the background of this current push for a Constitutional Convention are agents of the Whorehouse of Rotchild.
#41. To: Original_Intent (#39)
The Founders were liberty minded men but there also some Patricians who sought to enshrine their own class as much as possible.
#42. To: lodwick (#40)
You can bet that somewhere in the background of this current push for a Constitutional Convention are agents of the Whorehouse of Rotchild.
#43. To: Cynicom (#41)
In Madisons notes there are fears expressed by the genteel that they must be careful to set up such a frame work of government that the masses could never win control.
#44. To: Original_Intent. all (#42)
I also firmly believe that there should be a Constitutional absolute prohibition for anyone serving in a position within the Feral Government to be simultaneously a citizen of another country. They are NOT to be trusted - EVER.
#45. To: Original_Intent (#43)
#46. To: Original_Intent (#36)
The problem was that the framers did not envision a situation where a foreign power, with the aid of domestic traitors, would establish a control so pervasive as to constitute a secret government controlling the open government.
Meet the new boss, same as the old boss — The Who
#47. To: farmfriend, Cynicom, lodwick, Rotara, christine, Wudidiz (#46)
The problem was that the framers did not envision a situation where a foreign power, with the aid of domestic traitors, would establish a control so pervasive as to constitute a secret government controlling the open government.
#48. To: Original_Intent (#47)
#49. To: Cynicom (#48)
OI...
#50. To: Original_Intent (#49)
#51. To: Cynicom (#50)
Even here on 4um, one is not surprised to read posts that are programmed and the poster is unaware.
#52. To: Original_Intent (#8)
(BTW - The Cherokee Nation sided with the Confederacy and had their own Battle Flag.)
#53. To: Sam Houston (#6)
(Edited)
#54. To: randge (#15)
7.62x39 out of stock.
#55. To: Sam Houston (#6)
THE NINE NATIONS OF NORTH AMERICA:
#56. To: Elliott Jackalope (#18)
NO PRIVATELY OWNED CENTRAL BANKS". The fourth provision should be "CENTRAL BANKS THAT ARE PRIVATELY HELD ARE PROHIBITED". The sixth provision should be "SPECIFICALLY PROHIBITED ARE PRIVATELY HELD CENTRAL BANKS". The eighth provision should be "PRIVATELY HELD CENTRAL BANKS SHALL NOT BE ESTABLISHED EVER". The tenth provision should be "OH, BY THE WAY, JUST IN CASE FUTURE SCREWHEADS DIDN'T GET THE MESSAGE, NO NO NO NO NO NO NO PRIVATELY HELD CENTRAL BAN
#57. To: DeaconBenjamin (#52)
(BTW - The Cherokee Nation sided with the Confederacy and had their own Battle Flag.)
#58. To: tom007 (#56)
Can I assume you are against private banks controlling the public currencies?
 | Gold and silver are REAL money, paper is but a promise. |
#59. To: Original_Intent (#57)
I have a biography around somewhere. Probably lent it out.
The U.S. Constitution is no impediment to our form of government.--PJ O'Rourke
#60. To: DeaconBenjamin (#55)
You guys are going to have to quit posting these maps dismembering my country, or I'm going to have to hunt you all down. I'm not kidding now.
#61. To: Original_Intent, ALL (#47)
Hear, Hear !!
Bravo !!
4um Traitor
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
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