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Title: Paul: Israeli acts in Gaza 'immoral'
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URL Source: http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=81830§ionid=3510203
Published: Jan 11, 2009
Author: PressTV
Post Date: 2009-01-11 20:10:53 by bush_is_a_moonie
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Congressman Ron Paul condemns the violence in the Gaza Strip, saying the "collective punishment" against Palestinians is immoral. "Many innocent children are among the dead. While the shooting of rockets into Israel is inexcusable, the violent actions of some people in Gaza does not justify killing Palestinians on this scale," said the outspoken Republican. Israel launched Operation Cast Lead on December 27 against Gaza to put an end to rocket attacks launched from the coastal enclave. At least 888 Palestinians have been killed during the Israeli operation, while some 3,700 others are reported wounded. At least 10 Israeli soldiers have died in the now 16-day onslaught. Hamas, the democratically-elected ruler of the impoverished strip, demands a cessation of an 18-month Israeli blockade on Gaza before it stops rocket attacks on Israel. The US Congress endorsed a resolution Friday to support Israel in its offensive in Gaza, "recognizing Israel's right to defend itself against attacks from Gaza." Congressman Paul, however, says the resolution "clearly takes one side in a conflict that has nothing to do with the United States or US interests." "At the very least, the U.S. Congress should not be loudly proclaiming its support for the Israeli government's actions in Gaza," Paul added. The Israeli operation has entered its third week now, despite international calls and a UN Security Council resolution which urge an immediate end to the attacks against the densely-populated strip.
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#1. To: bush_is_a_moonie (#0)
It's not only the "collective punishment" that's immoral. The entire Israeli operational is a criminal act by thieves of the illegal state trying to protect the property they stole from Palestinians. It's incumbent on the United States and any other nation that considers itself based on a system of laws and justice to mount an operation to arrest "all" of the Israeli thieves just as they would any citizen who stole property and tried to use armed force to defend it and himself.
not only is the US gov proclaiming support, but it's sending arms. i heard Jack McLamb say that Paul, in this speech, said that Hamas was a creation of the Mossad.
Nor should the self-proclaimed Christian Right/Conservative Right talk radio hosts applaud this non-stop genocide. I am so sick of the sanctimonious bullshit spewed by the fake Christians and their moral leadership that sit behind the micro-phones of Jew owned propaganda outlets. They're all bad but Michael Medved is the very lowest form of Jew scum that exists on planet earth.
On this issue, I have to part ways with RP. I am in favor of the near complete eradication of Islam. Even so, I would have still voted for him, and he is absolutely right that it is none of our business. We should not be sending any arms to Israel or any of those nations.
Who are you to promote the destruction of one the worlds major religions? What do you know about Islam and where did you learn it? I don't know what religion you practice but how would you like it if I advocated it's demise?
That means there are almost 100 dead Palestinians for every dead Israeli. Zionists never stop complaining about "moral equivalence" between their actions and those of the Arabs. They're right, there is none, but not in the way they mean it.
Obviously another sucker for Zion.
Hamas is a Mossad creation meant to counter Yassar and the PLO, back in the day. Now they are the democratically elected government of Palestine.
That's right, just as Al Quaeda is a CIA creation. It's good to see these Frankenstein's monsters turn around and bite their power- mad creators in the ass.
So how are you any different from people who call for the extermination of all Jews?
E5S you sound suspiciously like Old Zionist Friend.
Law Enforcement Against Prohibition Countries Without a Draft circa 2001 (You'll need this soon if you have kids) RUN SILENT, RUN DEEP First, I am not Old Friend. Second, the war between Israel and Hamas is none of our business. We should not be supporting either side. Third, I am in favor of the elimination of Islam, the belief system, not muslims, the human beings. Islam is a sex, murder death cult and should be eliminated from the Earth, because they want to do the same to us. http://www.memri.org/bin/latestnews.cgi?ID=SD218109
No believers, no Islam.
Everyone should have the opportunity to change.
Fourth, Eliminate Zionism. Agree?
Define Zionism.
Define Zionism. You know what Zionism is. Do you support Zionism or not?
Mankind has been one of those for as long as we've been here, even before the 3 main desert religions came on the scene to spread their brand of death. Yes, I agree. There are sex/death cult Islamics. I would also say we have clear evidence (turn on any television or go to any movie theater) that Zionists are also a sex/death cult. Destroying men, minds and morality is what they do and they do it well, regardless of the weapon..media, psychology or bombs. The people perpetrating the Gaza slaughter are as Evil as the cultists chopping heads worldwide. The only difference is the technological advancements of the groups. They're all barbarians and huns. The other sex/murder death cult is TheStateInc. There have been many such cults, but our version of this cult has perpetrated criminal acts no less heinous than the religious death cults or other State cults in history. It also needs to suffer the same fate as the relious death cults (even those death cults you've never heard of in jungles and rain forests worldwide.) All are Evil. All perpetrate destruction on innocents in order to project and perpetuate power. None of what one group does, however, justifies the murder of innocents, especially children/infants. For all I know, these kinds of belief systems and the destruction they cause could have been going on since the stone age. Our species contains many Evil and ignorant groups and individuals. Perhaps there's a reason we are here on this prison ship called Earth. The other beings in the universe don't want us, or our rehabilitation is not going as planned.
Law Enforcement Against Prohibition Countries Without a Draft circa 2001 (You'll need this soon if you have kids) RUN SILENT, RUN DEEP Law Enforcement Against Prohibition Countries Without a Draft circa 2001 (You'll need this soon if you have kids) RUN SILENT, RUN DEEP What is your definition of Zionism? As I understand it, is the political movement that agitates for the Jewish homeland to be Israel, and for all Jews to make Aaliyah from whatever country they live in. Do I support it? I think any drive for must be made on secular terms, as any religious drive is invalid. Do Jews have the right to live there? Technically, only ethnic Jews, such as Sephardic Jews, since the ethnic homeland of Ashkenazi Jews is somewhere in Central Asia, based on recent reports that the Khazar capital city is somewhere in the -stans. That's my answer. If you feel it's mealy mouthed or tepid, ok. It's a complicated issue.
Law Enforcement Against Prohibition Countries Without a Draft circa 2001 (You'll need this soon if you have kids) RUN SILENT, RUN DEEP Well put and very insightful. Until we understand the travesty of our insincere Christian leaders and their failure to be strong leaders against the injustices of our elected officials (put in office by the Zionist Jews AND Zionist Christians), we are doomed.
Paul does tell us this much about theStateinc. Who is behind it? Who is at the bottom of the rabbit hole of the StateInc.? I don't know. Maybe we don't really want to know. Ephesians 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
It is also an awesome fund raising move.
Well put and very insightful. Until we understand the travesty of our insincere Christian leaders and their failure to be strong leaders against the injustices of our elected officials (put in office by the Zionist Jews AND Zionist Christians), we are doomed. "I want to tell you something very clear, don't worry about American pressure on Israel, we, the Jewish people control America, and the Americans know it." ~ Ariel Sharon to Shimon Peres, October 3rd, 2001, as reported on Kol Yisrael radio.
Do you feel there are Jews who are not Zionists? What about Christians?
That is one thing I agree with you on, 2012, is that the Zionist Jewish lobby (AIPAC) wields WAY too much influence over us. Israel is a sovereign nation, just like we are. They should stay out of our business just like we should stay out of other countries' affairs.
~ Thanks for the factual addition.
"Yes" to both of your questions.
It seems that Mainstream Christianity has been taken over by the Left Behind/DominionistCovenant Theology crowd that says we need to hold the middle east to "help" God with his plans for the end of the world, which these types are arrogant enough to think has to happen in their lifetimes. Poppycock.
As I have said so many times, "History repeats itself". It takes many years of patient reading and research to understand just how true that statement is. Unfortunately, I have been trying to cram those many years into the few I have lived in retirement. I will say that I recognize others on this site that HAVE taken that time. The content of their posts are very enlightening and often give shortcuts to finding the truth.
But we both know they won't.
Here is another one: "We killed them out of a certain naive hubris. Believing with absolute certitude that now, with the White House, the Senate, and much of the American media in our hands, the lives of others do not count as much as our own ..." ~ Ari Shavat. Reproduced in the New York Times, May 27th, 1999
Was the aforementioned theology taught 100, or even 50 years ago? I am only 32, and an Old Baptist, so I really have no experience or memory to draw on in this matter. It does seem to me, however, that this kind of thinking started with Scofield's Secret Rapture notes in his first study Bible, and metastasized from there. (Metastasis is one of my favorite words, and is also my Halo name). Ha!
Another factual statement. I see you read and research. Keep it up and I stand to learn a lot more. Thanks for sharing.
You are welcome.
My research has shown such teachings began in the early 1800's in the book "The Coming of Messiah in Glory and Majesty" (written by a deceptive Catholic monk ... Emmanuel Lacunza .... under the pseudonym Juan Josafat Ben Ezra, who supposedly was a Jew who converted to Christianity). The concepts of that book eventually grew through time to what we have today from Edward Irving, John Nelson Darby, Cyrus Ingerson Scofield, D. L. Moody and others. Since you made note of Scofield, you may find the following link interesting as to the myth behind the man ... http://poweredbychrist.homestead.com/files/cyrus/scofield.htm There is much to be considered from the internet. Keep up your research ... it will take you to many interesting sources, places and opinions.
Dr. Paul is the only good American of the bunch of sold out rascals on Capitol Hill - greedy pigs at the Israel Lobby trough are they.
Islam is Judaism's thuggish little brother, I really have no use for either considering the trouble they both stir up decade after decade. It would behoove America to wash her hands of the whole ME and let them duke it out, it's what they're itching to do.
It does seem to me, however, that this kind of thinking started with Scofield's Secret Rapture notes in his first study Bible, and metastasized from there. (Metastasis is one of my favorite words, and is also my Halo name). Ha! It has it's roots in Calvinism, but it began with John Nelson Darby, most famous among the Plymouth Brethren in the mid/late 1820's. Darby wrote about the secret rapture which Scofield added to in his study Bible. A fatal flaw with Christian Zionism is who the remnant are as described in Romans 11. Reading the Church Fathers and re-reading St Paul, one begins to understand the remnant was a then present tense reference. In other words, the remnant for whose sake we were are all grafted onto the branch were the disciples, apostles and scant few followers of Christ. Those who were at that time obedient to God, understanding the Holy Prophets, and recognized Christ for who He was. For their sake, we are grafted onto the branch. Christian Zionism teaches the remnant is Israel. Some of the more ardent Christian Zionists I have met over the years would say we are continually grafted onto the branch because of modern day Israel and we risk our very salvation turning our back on them as God's chosen people. It gets complex from there and I'm too tired to get into to it much. Israel has a lot of significance. They are still the chosen people of God and God still honors the Abrahamic Covenant of blessing those who bless Abraham (Israel) and cursing those who curse Abraham (Israel). A duality is occurring. God blessing His church through Christ and God is keeping a separate and ongoing blessing with Israel and they are interwoven. Abraham met with three angles, one of whom was the Divine Logos (Word of God, IE- Christ). Abraham is told by God he would be blessed with offspring too numerous to count, land more than he could possibly fathom because of his faith. Understand what the real covenant is. It is a promise of blessing life over death. Abraham had no son, no land, nothing. In ancient times, this would signify death. Having met the Divine Logos, receiving his blessing of life over death and understanding the sin sacrifice of his only son, heir to this great blessing of life it becomes painfully obvious the Abrahamic Covenant is a symbolic reference to Christ the Savior and preparation for what was coming. Christ who tramples down death by death. In Christ we have life more abundantly. In Christ, life over death. Christ, whose followers are now too numerous to count and stretch out over the entirety of the Earth as now all nations are blessed. Christ, the second Adam, who restored all of creation to it's rightful position with God at His very birth and through His life and death on the Cross, allows the decedents of Adam and Eve to once again live in the fullness and existence of God by having the curse of death lifted, the stain of sin removed. When you understand the message of Abraham is one of life, the veil comes of Christian Zionism for the blasphemy it is. Christian Zionism is a deception and perversion of death.
"What began in Russia will end in America."- 1930, Elder Ignatius of Harbin, Manchuria.
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#2. To: bush_is_a_moonie (#0)
#3. To: bush_is_a_moonie (#0)
"At the very least, the U.S. Congress should not be loudly proclaiming its support for the Israeli government's actions in Gaza," Paul added.
#4. To: christine (#2)
#5. To: Disgusted (#4)
#6. To: echo5sierra, bluegrass, scrapper2, noone222 (#5)
I am in favor of the near complete eradication of Islam
#7. To: bush_is_a_moonie (#0)
At least 888 Palestinians have been killed during the Israeli operation, while some 3,700 others are reported wounded. At least 10 Israeli soldiers have died in the now 16-day onslaught.
#8. To: Lady X, echo5sierra, scrapper2, noone222 (#6)
Who are you to promote the destruction of one the worlds major religions?
#9. To: Disgusted, christine, all (#4)
#10. To: lodwick (#9)
Hamas is a Mossad creation meant to counter Yassar and the PLO
#11. To: echo5sierra (#5)
I am in favor of the near complete eradication of Islam
#12. To: bluegrass, lady x, echo5sierra, noone222, scrapper2 (#8)
eradication of Islam
"Corporation: An entity created for the legal protection of its human parasites, whose sole purpose is profit and self-perpetuation." ~~ IndieTx
#13. To: IndieTX (#12)
E5S you sound suspiciously like Old Zionist Friend.
#14. To: echo5sierra (#13)
Third, I am in favor of the elimination of Islam, the belief system, not muslims, the human beings.
#15. To: Cynicom (#14)
#16. To: echo5sierra (#13)
Third, I am in favor of the elimination of Islam, the belief system, not muslims, the human beings. Islam is a sex, murder death cult and should be eliminated from the Earth, because they want to do the same to us.
#17. To: TwentyTwelve (#16)
Fourth, Eliminate Zionism.
#18. To: echo5sierra (#17)
Fourth, Eliminate Zionism.
#19. To: echo5sierra, jethro tull, noone222, original_intent, christine, psusa, lady x, twenty twelve, x-15, farmfriend, ALL (#13)
Islam is a sex, murder death cult and should be eliminated from the Earth, because they want to do the same to us.
Yes I believe that if any of these crazy religious zealots with idealizations of head removings and child rape were able to gain access, we'd all be dead. But since we're still here, we should ask if the problem is with the individuals that make up the death cult groups, or is it with the religions under whose umbrellas they alledge to practice?
"Corporation: An entity created for the legal protection of its human parasites, whose sole purpose is profit and self-perpetuation." ~~ IndieTx
#20. To: cynicom (#19)
ping sir
"Corporation: An entity created for the legal protection of its human parasites, whose sole purpose is profit and self-perpetuation." ~~ IndieTx
#21. To: TwentyTwelve (#18)
You know what Zionism is.
#22. To: redpanther (#19)
"Corporation: An entity created for the legal protection of its human parasites, whose sole purpose is profit and self-perpetuation." ~~ IndieTx
#23. To: noone222 (#3)
I am so sick of the sanctimonious bullshit spewed by the fake Christians and their moral leadership that sit behind the micro-phones of Jew owned propaganda outlets.
#24. To: IndieTX (#19)
The other sex/murder death cult is TheStateInc.
#25. To: Phant2000 (#23)
our insincere Christian leaders
#26. To: Phant2000, noone222, Original_Intent (#23)
I am so sick of the sanctimonious bullshit spewed by the fake Christians and their moral leadership that sit behind the micro-phones of Jew owned propaganda outlets.
#27. To: Phant2000 (#23)
Zionist Jews AND Zionist Christians
#28. To: TwentyTwelve (#26)
we, the Jewish people control America, and the Americans know it."
#29. To: TwentyTwelve (#26)
"I want to tell you something very clear, don't worry about American pressure on Israel, we, the Jewish people control America, and the Americans know it."
#30. To: echo5sierra (#27)
Do you feel there are Jews who are not Zionists? What about Christians?
#31. To: Phant2000 (#30)
#32. To: echo5sierra (#31)
It seems that Mainstream Christianity has been taken over by the Left Behind/DominionistCovenant Theology crowd ...
#33. To: echo5sierra (#28)
...They should stay out of our business just like we should stay out of other countries' affairs.
#34. To: Phant2000 (#29)
Thanks for the factual addition.
#35. To: Phant2000 (#32)
#36. To: TwentyTwelve (#34)
"We killed them out of a certain naive hubris ..." from Ari Shavat.
#37. To: Phant2000 (#36)
Thanks for sharing.
#38. To: echo5sierra (#35)
Was the aforementioned theology taught 100, or even 50 years ago? ... It does seem to me, however, that this kind of thinking started with Scofield's Secret Rapture notes in his first study Bible ...
#39. To: bush_is_a_moonie (#0)
Congressman Paul, however, says the resolution "clearly takes one side in a conflict that has nothing to do with the United States or US interests."
#40. To: IndieTX (#19)
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#41. To: echo5sierra (#35)
Was the aforementioned theology taught 100, or even 50 years ago? I am only 32, and an Old Baptist, so I really have no experience or memory to draw on in this matter.
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