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Title: You Want Proof of the Zionist Control of Congress — Here it is!
Source: www.DavidDuke.com
URL Source: http://www.davidduke.com/general/yo ... -congress-here-it-is_7031.html
Published: Jan 12, 2009
Author: Rep. David Duke
Post Date: 2009-01-13 01:18:05 by Liberate Jim Traficant
Keywords: Moshe Katzav, U.S.S. Liberty, Lavon Affair, You Want Proof of the Zionist
Views: 1307
Comments: 60

Pictured, the Israeli President Moshe Katzav two years ago presenting medals to the Jewish government terrorists who were caught and imprisoned after blowing up American installations in Egypt. The controlled American media never showed this picture or even mentions Jewish terrorist attacks against America.

In the second picture is the hulking remains of the U.S.S. Liberty after a surprise Israeli terrorist attack that took 34 American lives and burned and maimed 173 Americans. The U.S. Secretary of State at the time, the respected Dean Rusk, has always maintained that it was purposeful false flag terrorist attack on America in an attempt to blame Egypt so as to engage America into the 1967 war.

The Drawing Below; the latest victims of Israeli terrorism, thousands of Palestinian men women and children.

Listen to David Duke Take the U.S. Congress to Task MP3

You Want Proof of the Zionist Control of Congress -- Here it is!

On January 9th the U.S. Congress passed House Resolution 34 in support of the Zionist Terrorist Massacre in Gaza, a loss of life for Palestine proportionate to one thousand 9-11 attacks on America!

By David Duke

All you have to do is the look at the resolution recently passed by the House of Representatives (HRES 34 EH) with only 5 dissenting votes, to know who rules America. It condemns Hamas and the people of Gaza as terrorists but has no mention of the decades long Israeli occupation and strangulation of the West Bank and Gaza, or the bloody terrorism of tens of thousands of Palestinian men, women and children who have been killed, maimed, tortured or made homeless by years of Israel's terrorism.

The very recent human casualties of over 850 dead and over 4500 maimed from Israel's recent terror bombings of the 1.5 million people of Gaza would by their population percentage be equivalent to 175,000 murdered and 900,000 maimed Americans, more than one million American casualties. The percentage of Palestinian victims of Zionist terrorism over the past two weeks is proportionately one thousand times greater than the loss that Americans suffered in the 9-11 attacks!

The Jewish control of the United States Government and the mass media can be in clearly seen the exact wording of the resolution: In three places this short resolution endorses the survival of the State of Israel as a Jewish State with secure borders. That's a "JEWISH STATE," not a multicultural or multireligious state but a state exclusively dedicated to Jews. The controlled media had not a word in criticism of the resolution supporting Israel as an ethnic and religious state exclusively dedicated to Jews!

The resolution is the clear proof of Jewish supremacy over the U.S. government. One could not even imagine the U.S. Congress or the mass media tolerating a resolution which called for the control immigration and secure American borders so as to preserve an overwhelmingly White and Christian America. No high official or media pundit would tolerate a resolution aimed at the UK stating that Britain must remain a British State exclusively dedicated to the survival of the original British People, or for that matter would resolve that France must be a state exclusively dedicated to the people of French descent and to the traditional Christianity of France, or imagine for a moment a resolution that would proclaim dedication to the "survival of Germany as German State devoted to the preservation of the historical German people, religious traditions and culture. The media would be screaming "Nazi" at that suggestion.

Only naked Jewish supremacist power in politics and media could enable this hypocrisy to go on without any major dissenting voices.

The resolution also repeatedly talks about the preservation of Israel as a Democratic State. Israel is constantly referred to in the media as a "Democratic State." That is another obvious bald-faced lie. For over 40 years Israel has occupied the West Bank and Gaza, imprisoned and walled off its people, jailed and tortured them at will. These oppressed people have had not a single vote in the Israeli government that has oppressed them. When 4.5 million have no vote in the government ruling over them, that is the opposite of democracy. It is tyranny.

The reason that this lying resolution can pass and that Americans don't even realize these undeniable facts is simply the result of the incredible Jewish extremist power over the media and the American political process.

Israel is not Democratic. In fact, Israel is the opposite of what the Jewish controlled press expects America and Europe to be. It is a Jewish Supremacist State that has segregated schools, apartment buildings and even whole towns where Palestinians are not permitted to live. Israel has laws that make it illegal for Jew and a non-Jew to marry, and that even forbids marriage between a Kohanim (The most honored heritage among Jews) and person of the Jewish religion who is alleged to have even a drop of non-Jewish blood. (See the article on http://DavidDuke.com: Not Jewish enough to marry a Kohanim) Although most people have no idea of it, Israel has a more stringent proscription against intermarriage than even Hitler's SS.

If the Palestinians would have gone after Israel's leadership and bombed and maimed 3,000 Israelis, the media and government of the U.S. would be screaming about Palestinian terrorism and undoubtedly America itself would have bombed and attacked Palestinian targets. But, when Israel does exactly the same thing we say we must support Israel.

We dissident Americans don't ask America to attack Israel, we don't want any more wars, but we demand that America condemns Jewish terrorism. Interestingly, to illustrate how the Jewish-dominated media has affected American views, If I or anyone else dares to use the term "Jewish terrorism" people cringe and invariably there are screams of anti-Semitism. Yet, "Muslim terrorism" is a term used constantly by the controlled media with not a whiff of criticism. It is used so much people think nothing about it.

Instead of condemning the Palestinians who are being murdered and maimed by the thousands by Israeli terrorism, a truly free American Congress would be issuing resolutions condemning Israel and its terrorism.

It would condemn Israel not only for terrorism it has committed for half of a century against the Palestinians and other Mideast people but also condemn Israel for its history of Israeli terrorism and treachery against the United States of America.

Israel should be condemned for the Israeli government's admitted purposeful terrorist attacks against America in the Lavon Affair and the shameful and murderous, bloody attack on the U.S.S. Liberty. Israel should be condemned for Israel's Jonathan Pollard spying case and the devastation of American interests with the stolen classified information. (Even the Jewish-descended American Secretary of Defense, Caspar Weinberger, said it was the most terrible loss of American life resulting from spying in the history of the United States)

If you want to know who runs America, just look at the Jewish power exercised in the hastily-passed 700 billion theft to the mostly-Jewish, criminal international banks. In contrast it took a huge effort to get a small fraction of that amount, only 14 billion, for a loan to the American auto industry, a critical part of the American economy.

Notice also how the biggest criminal theft of all time, the 50 billion dollar fraud by Jewish criminal Madoff (also a big donor to Israel and Jewish supremacist causes) faced the biggest media criticism for ripping off some of his fellow Jews. You would think from the news reports that all his victims were Jews while in actual fact Gentile firms and individual investors constituted most of the victims. The media was full of stories about his terrible ethnic betrayal of his own people. Could you imagine the media criticizing a Gentile criminal for betraying fellow Gentiles? Unthinkable.

If you want to know how Jewish extremists manipulate us then you should notice how there are dozens of major movies, all slavishly promoted by the Jewish media, about Jewish victimization in the Holocaust, but not a single movie about what every major historian admits was a far larger loss of human lives and the greatest human rights crimes of all time, the crimes of Bolshevism and International Communism. Most Americans aren't even aware of the fact that even Jewish historians admit that Jews dominated the ranks of the Bolshevik mass murderers.

There are books and movies pungent with the pathos of Jewish victims of the Second World War. It has gotten to the point that no one in the media will even expose obvious fraudulent Holocaust stories. An example is the supposedly true story, Surviving with Wolves, a book and movie about a seven year old Jewish girl who survived the Nazis by being raised and protected by a pack of wolves in a 3,000 mile journey across Nazi-occupied Europe! The book made 23 million dollars and was only exposed because of lawsuit between different Jewish parties over the proceeds. What kind of Jewish power exists that not a single reviewer dared to expose this obviously ridiculous story as a fraud? Journalists today don't dare disturb Jewish myths.

There is the very recent The girl with the apple story told repeatedly on Oprah about a Jewish victim of Auschwitz who survived because of a Jewish girl who threw him apples over the fence every day, yet they were reunited years later on the blind date and married. Oprah and the Jewish media cooperated in calling it the most moving love story of our time, but the author later admitted that the story was a lie. The Producers have stated that they are still proceeding with the movie. Why should the truth prevent another Jewish Holocaust movie meant to blind our eyes to the plight of the Palestinians.

What about the millions of true stories of the Palestinians and Lebanese and others who have suffered terribly from the terrorism, jailing, torture and murder of Israel. Are real Palestinians or Lebanese or even American victims of Israeli terrorism (such as the victims who suffered and died on the USS Liberty not worthy of any films or plays or books or commemorations?

The problem is those movies won't earn any sympathy and support for the Zionist terrorists in Israel and they certainly don't want any sympathy for Palestinians, why some might begin to think that Palestinians are people too! And, they sure don't want Americans to even know that we have also been victims of bloody Israeli terrorism.

Ask yourself, have you seen any recent movies or read any popular media promoted books about the massive ethnic cleansing, murder and terrorism that created and maintains the Israeli State? In fact, have any of you, in your entire life seen even one movie that shows the Jewish terrorism in its stark reality and horror? Ever heard about the massacre one of the most beastly and barbaric massacres of all time, where European International Red Cross representatives found that Jewish terrorists had even cut living babies from the wombs of Palestinian women?

You won't see the other side in popular media because the ones writing the books and making the movies, promoting them; the ones constructing our psychology about Jews and the Palestinians, Arabs the Mideast and even ourselves are mostly either Jewish supporters of Jewish terrorism or they are Gentile media hacks who have sold their souls to the Jewish supremacist for their careers and honors.

I have been falsely portrayed by the Jewish media as the worst of people, a racist, supremacist, hater and every other expletive that the pundits can think of. The truth is that I respect all races and certainly my own people. I do want to preserve my people's heritage and freedom just like anyone else who is decent and healthy. Palestinians want to preserve their heritage and freedom, so do the people of Tibet, so do the Indian cultures of the Amazon, many of those of African descent celebrate their heritage whether they live in Africa or the Caribbean or America. And of course, the people on earth most concerned about preserving their heritage and advancing their interests and agenda are the Jewish people.

No people, pound for pound, person for person has more influence in the media and in Government than the Jewish people. No people have more advocacy groups or work harder to produce media and educational programs to increase their solidarity and also stoke their loathing of Gentiles who they collectively blame for the Holocaust and every Jewish misfortune. Is not their whole culture imbued with the image of the evil Gentile, whether it be Pharaoh or Haman or Hitler?

They literally control who gets elected President of the United States. Jewish extremists boast of the fact they literally created the career and political success of Barack Obama and he has two most important advisers are the Jewish supremacists David Axelrod and Rahm Emmanuel.

They make an extraordinary effort to bend to their will every person who goes to Congress. If any politician strays just a hair off their Jewish extremist agenda they pounce on him like piranhas in a feeding frenzy. A tremendous array of media personal attacks and political sabotage both in influence and monetary will descend on the hapless soul. The same thing is true in media, God help even the most popular TV anchorman if he simply dared to say the truth that thousands of maimed or murdered Palestinian women and children are the victims of Jewish terrorism.

Ironically, these Jewish supremacists, who are the world's most virulent racists and most religiously intolerant, (they see to it in court that Christmas crosses are legally banned from the White House lawn but erect their own giant menorahs) maintain their power by destroying everyone else's sense of solidarity while constantly jacking up their own.

The average Jew (and Gentile today) grows up with a daily recital of the Holocaust and how Jews have to stick together to avoid another Holocaust which is always lurking in the dark hearts of Gentiles. At the same time, Gentiles are taught that any sense of love and loyalty to one's own people is treason against all of humanity, unless of course if you are Jewish, then it is a saintly.

And that my friends, is how they dominate all of us. In their media they push every kind of multiculturalism, multiracialism, deracination, every kind of subtle and not so subtle attacks on our traditions, our history, our sense of pride and self worth. Multiculturalism is their way to weaken us and to enable them to dominate the host people.

Jews are super-conscious of their 4,000 year history, of their persecutions and their achievements, their heroes and their enemies as Jews, while we are taught that our heroes have clay feet and that in reality we don't even exist ("there is no such thing as race").

If that is true that we don't even exist as a group, then why should we even be concerned about our people's welfare in the face of Jewish power, after all, our people don't even exist anyway, so why should we get excited?

The Palestinians haven't fallen for that idea yet, but many of our people have. By the blockades of food and medicine, by the checkpoints and by the mass bombing and resulting slaughter, Israel is endeavoring to make life so horrible for the Palestinians, that they simply leave Palestine and emigrate to other countries such as the United States or Europe. With the Palestinians immersed in the psychology engendered by the Jewish controlled western media, Zionists are counting on the Palestinians to assimilate, intermarry and slowly forget their ties of heritage to their suffering brothers and sisters who still remain.

The Jewish leadership on the opposite hand, works very hard at maintaining their identity and they believe that with time, other peoples will come and go but their own people will remain and get stronger. After all, over the course of 4,000 years as a small minority in a 99 percent Gentile world, they have preserved their heritage and their identity. They have done that through teaching intensive love of their own people coupled with intensive fear and loathing of non-Jews. This construct has not changed. The Holocaust is now a full-color, multimedia induced lesson of for them of Gentile perfidy. A modern movie is far superior to any motivation from musty old Talmudic texts of Haman and Pharaoh. The greatest difference between today and just a few centuries ago, is that today they dominate the mass media Jewish extremists can now not only motivate their own people, but at the same time to weaken the motivations of their enemies.

Europeans, Third Worlders, even Palestinians are awash in the flood Jewish propaganda in an electronic media sea that spans the globe. However, the underlying hypocrisies and lies can still be easily exposed. As in the children's tale, The Emperor's New Clothes, when reality is staring you in the face it only the takes a flicker of recognition to see the whole picture. It only takes exposing the hypocrisy such as the recent resolution of Congress in supporting the Gaza Massacre, and the blatantly hypocritical media response to it, to open millions of eyes around the globe. But, that can only happen if you like the young boy in the story of the Emperor's new clothes, spread this message much like the boy who pointed out that the Emperor was actually naked.

I hope and pray that this article of mine helps open your eyes to the worldwide threat of Jewish Supremacism. And my fervent desire is that those whom are already awakened will find in these words the fuel of motivation. We must strip off the media lies and expose the naked truth of the Zionist terrorism against Gaza.

I ask everyone reading these words to share them with your family and friends, and indeed the whole world.

Together we can expose the hypocrisy.

Together we can expose the evils of Jewish extremism and supremacism.

Together we can save the Palestinian people, the European peoples and all the heritages of the world.

Together we can move toward peace and decency and justice and not world of war, conflict and hatred.

Together we can change to the world.

--David Duke

PS If you want documentation on any subject mentioned in this article don't hesitate to use our excellent search engine at the upper right of http://www.davidduke.com which will give you supporting articles and sources for the facts we cite here! If you doubt anything I write or say here, I urge you to check further into the subject and use our copious footnotes and citations from mainstream sources that document what must seem very shocking to the average American. Just fully learning that Israel has committed terrorism and treachery against America should be enough to get any thinking person to question not only our policy but the Jewish-inluenced media that so manipulates us. And be sure to read My Awakening and Jewish Supremacism, two exceedingly well-documented books that go in depth on these issues. You can read the introduction to Jewish Supremacism and some sample chapters by going to the access buttons on the right hand side of http://www.davidduke.com. -- DD

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#1. To: Liberate Jim Traficant (#0)

We dissident Americans don't ask America to attack Israel, we don't want any more wars, but we demand that America condemns Jewish terrorism. Interestingly, to illustrate how the Jewish-dominated media has affected American views, If I or anyone else dares to use the term "Jewish terrorism" people cringe and invariably there are screams of anti-Semitism. Yet, "Muslim terrorism" is a term used constantly by the controlled media with not a whiff of criticism. It is used so much people think nothing about it.

This is what I mean when I talk about mass mind control - conditioning the way people think and what is acceptable thought and speech.

However, Mr. Duke misses the point - the Jewish people are simply used as a front for those doing the controlling. Many of those controllers are ethnic Jews but practice occultism, the Kaballah, and are ethnically Jewish but not religiously Jewish. As well not all the elite controllers are Jewish - Rockefucker and the Royal House of England and Denmark come to mind.

""I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-01-13   2:02:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Original_Intent (#1)

However, Mr. Duke misses the point

I think "Mr." Duke has been compromised with $. No one does a more effective job in polluting legitimate dialogue/queries about Israel's behavior than Duke. As soon as Duke covers a subject it becomes verboten for discussion because of who he is.

scrapper2  posted on  2009-01-13   2:09:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Original_Intent (#1)

Many of those controllers are ethnic Jews but practice occultism, the Kaballah, and are ethnically Jewish but not religiously Jewish.

The Hasidic Jews follow the Kabbalah, and they use it to become closer to God. Others misuse for their own personal gain at the expense of others.

Don't judge people for something that is not well understood by most.

In fact, it is these Ultra-Orthodox Hasidic Jews who have protested Israel's Zionistic ambitions;

Jews against Israel

The Kabbalah is simply unwritten knowledge of the mystical side of the Jewish faith. I've read that Jesus was a Kabbalistic Scholar in fact.

From Kabbalah and Jewish Mysticism

It is important to note that all of these magical effects were achieved through the power of G-d, generally by calling upon the name of G-d. These practices are no more "evil" than the miracles that Christians ascribe to Jesus; in fact, according to some of my mystically-inclined friends, Jesus performed his miracles using kabbalistic techniques. This fits in with historical evidence: many scholars believe Jesus was associated with the Essenes, a sect involved in Jewish mysticism.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2009-01-13   3:54:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: scrapper2, Zoroaster, Esso, Jethro Tull, Bluegrass (#2) (Edited)

As soon as Duke covers a subject it becomes verboten for discussion because of who he is.

Why does it become verboten? Who decides that?

Oh, it's not politically correct??

And exactly WHO are the current PC Police who lead people to think that a certain subject is verboten (or, even, that certain issues be verboten WHEN raised by an individual who has officially been labled "unacceptable" by the current PC police)?

As soon as Duke covers a subject it becomes verboten for discussion because of who he is.

IMO, that statement exemplifies perfectly what Duke is talking about.

TRAITORS TO AMERICA AND BRAINWASHED IDIOTS SUPPORT AND DEFEND ISRAEL. TO HELL WITH ZIONISTS AND THIER AMERICAN FRONTS: AIPAC/PNAC/ADL/NAACP/FEDERAL RESERVE/SPLC/JINSA/ACLU/CHRISTIAN ZIONISTS/AEI/FEDERAL MEDIA/HOLLYWOOD, et. al.

wbales  posted on  2009-01-13   8:12:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: wbales (#4)

You nailed it.

"The 'uniter' has brought the entire world together - to despise and deride us." lodwick

Bub  posted on  2009-01-13   8:36:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: FormerLurker (#3)

The Kabbalah is simply unwritten knowledge of the mystical side of the Jewish faith. I've read that Jesus was a Kabbalistic Scholar in fact.

From Kabbalah and Jewish Mysticism

It is important to note that all of these magical effects were achieved through the power of G-d, generally by calling upon the name of G-d. These practices are no more "evil" than the miracles that Christians ascribe to Jesus; in fact, according to some of my mystically-inclined friends, Jesus performed his miracles using kabbalistic techniques. This fits in with historical evidence: many scholars believe Jesus was associated with the Essenes, a sect involved in Jewish mysticism.

I think this is blasphemy, the one unforgiveable sin in fact. Please don't lead people down that path to hell.

Kabbalah is Satanic, is witchcraft

Illuminati Satanic Symbols of the Occult. These satanic customs and practices infiltrated Christianity through Kabbalah, ... http://www.thunderministries.net/Kabbalah/satanic.htm

Kabbalah is Jewish Mysticism and the illuminati. Kabbalah a religious occult links all of the other occults together. Kabbalism is traditional sorcery of all occults. http:// http://www.thunderministries.net/Kabbalah/kabbalah.htm

Kabbalah and mind control - Page 6 - David Icke's Official Forums http://www.thunderministries.net/Kabbalah/satanic. htm. .... http:// http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=284014

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22 Then was brought unto him one possessed with a devil, blind, and dumb: and he healed him, insomuch that the blind and dumb both spake and saw. 23 And all the people were amazed, and said, Is not this the son of David? 24 But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, This fellow doth not cast out devils, but by Beelzebub the prince of the devils.

25 And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand: 26 And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand? 27 And if I by Beelzebub cast out devils, by whom do your children cast them out? therefore they shall be your judges. 28 But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you. 29 Or else how can one enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he first bind the strong man? and then he will spoil his house.

30 He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.

31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men. 32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.....

http://kingjbible.com/matthew/12.htm

Witchcraft & Sorcery The Forbidden Arts

"....We are told in Revelation 21:8 that sorcerers shall have their part in the "lake which burneth with fire and brimstone.

"The original Greek word for sorcerer is pharmakeus which means "an enchanter with drugs." This, in turn, comes from the word pharmakeia from which we get our modern English word pharmacy. The word in its original Greek means the occult, sorcery, witchcraft, illicit pharmaceuticals, trance, and magical incantation with drugs.

Why does God condemn those that practice these forbidden arts? To find the answer to this question we must return to the Word of God. 1 Samuel 15:23 says that rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft. Why does God equate the sin of witchcraft with the sin of rebellion? After all it is not murder or rape. To learn why, we must look at what witchcraft entails. It does not matter what you call it, witchcraft, sorcery, necromancy, tarot reading, horoscopes, ouija boards or any one of a hundred other names, witchcraft is rebellion and therefore is a sin against God. The purpose of any one of these forbidden practices is to seek knowledge over and above that which is allowed by God, whether it be to foretell the future, to have power over others or to control things that belong to God. In short to be as God Himself. Our God is a jealous God (Exodus 34:14). In Deuteronomy 6:15-16 it says;

15 (For the Lord thy God is a jealous God among you) lest the anger of the Lord thy God be kindled against thee, and destroy thee from off the face of the earth. 16 Ye shall not tempt the Lord your God, as ye tempted Him in Massah......."

http://www.intothelight.org/witchcraft-sorcery.asp

"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2009-01-13   9:21:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Liberate Jim Traficant (#0)

I hope and pray that this article of mine helps open your eyes to the worldwide threat of Jewish Supremacism. And my fervent desire is that those whom are already awakened will find in these words the fuel of motivation. We must strip off the media lies and expose the naked truth of the Zionist terrorism against Gaza.

I ask everyone reading these words to share them with your family and friends, and indeed the whole world.

Together we can expose the hypocrisy.

Together we can expose the evils of Jewish extremism and supremacism.

Together we can save the Palestinian people, the European peoples and all the heritages of the world.

Together we can move toward peace and decency and justice and not world of war, conflict and hatred.

Together we can change to the world.

Hear, hear.

Pair it with another snapshot of our future if we don't get a move on:

Coming Nuclear Attack On America

judicial-inc.biz/Nuclear_attacks_on_america.htm

"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2009-01-13   9:44:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: wbales, scrapper2, Zoroaster, Esso, Jethro Tull, christine (#4)

If it's any guide, Eustace didn't trust David Duke either.

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-01-13   11:14:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#6)

I think this is blasphemy, the one unforgiveable sin in fact. Please don't lead people down that path to hell.

And I think that people who allow a book written by those who reacquired the power of Rome by force, deception, and deceipt to rule their lives to be deluded and dangerously misguided. In fact, it is those sorts of people who are running the world, and that is why the world is in such a huge mess right now.

God didn't write the Bible, MEN did.

If you find the most pious men of God to be blasphemous, then I take just about anything you say with a huge grain of salt, especially when everything you say is simply an excerpt from that one book which you base your entire life and worldview upon. If you could give me some REAL critical thought and comments on why you feel the way you do, then perhaps I'd listen, but simply parroting the oftentimes mistranslated words of unknown men who lived thousands of years ago, well, that doesn't do it for me.

As far as satanism, why don't you go after REAL satanists who openly and freely admit that they worship satan. Go after Michael Acquino and his Temple of Set, go after those who worship satan and revere the satanic bible.

Don't feel yourself so holy and perfect that you have the right to condemn men who pray to God, and I mean the SAME God you THINK you worship with your holier than thou attitude and so-called holy book.

If anything, it is YOU that needs to worry about what might happen to your soul in the afterlife.

The entire goal of the people practicing actual Jewish Kabbalah is to become one with God. By becoming one, I don't mean taking over that which is God and doing what you desire, but to allow God to enter your soul and fill it with that which is Him, where His Will rules your thoughts and actions.

Jesus is said to have accomplished that goal, and THAT is why he could do what he did, in that he WAS one with God, and I mean the REAL God, not some half- baked man-god living in the clouds or whatever it is you think your Bible says.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2009-01-13   11:45:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: FormerLurker (#9)

I think that people......those who reacquired the power of Rome by force, deception, and deceipt to rule their lives to be deluded and dangerously misguided. In fact, it is those sorts of people who are running the world, and that is why the world is in such a huge mess right now.

Why do you think that?? They're of the same ilk as those "pious men" you extol:

Mystery Babylon the Great - Catholic OR JEWISH?

watch.pair.com/mystery-babylon.html

As far as satanism, why don't you go after REAL satanists who openly and freely admit that they worship satan. Go after Michael Acquino and his Temple of Set,

I've done that, years ago.

Don't feel yourself so holy and perfect

never said i was.

If anything, it is YOU that needs to worry about what might happen to your soul in the afterlife.

um, no.

The entire goal of the people practicing actual Jewish Kabbalah is to become one with God. By becoming one, I don't mean taking over that which is God and doing what you desire, but to allow God to enter your soul and fill it with that which is Him, where His Will rules your thoughts and actions.

"Most Jews do not like to admit it, but our god is Lucifer -- -- and we are his chosen people." - The Harold Wallace Rosenthal Interview 1976, The Hidden Tyranny

freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=93652

God didn't write the Bible, MEN did.

If you find the most pious men of God to be blasphemous, then I take just about anything you say with a huge grain of salt, especially when everything you say is simply an excerpt from that one book which you base your entire life and worldview upon.

Since you reject the word of God, there is not much else to talk about. HIS WORD has proven true over and over again, often fulfilled in your "pious men":

"....5 Thus saith the Lord GOD; This is Jerusalem: I have set it in the midst of the nations and countries that are round about her. 6 And she hath changed my judgments into wickedness more than the nations, and my statutes more than the countries that are round about her: for they have refused my judgments and my statutes, they have not walked in them. 7 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Because ye multiplied more than the nations that are round about you, and have not walked in my statutes, neither have kept my judgments, neither have done according to the judgments of the nations that are round about you; 8 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I, even I, am against thee, and will execute judgments in the midst of thee in the sight of the nations. 9 And I will do in thee that which I have not done, and whereunto I will not do any more the like, because of all thine abominations. 10 Therefore the fathers shall eat the sons in the midst of thee, and the sons shall eat their fathers; and I will execute judgments in thee, and the whole remnant of thee will I scatter into all the winds. 11 Wherefore, as I live, saith the Lord GOD; Surely, because thou hast defiled my sanctuary with all thy detestable things, and with all thine abominations, therefore will I also diminish thee; neither shall mine eye spare, neither will I have any pity. 12 A third part of thee shall die with the pestilence, and with famine shall they be consumed in the midst of thee: and a third part shall fall by the sword round about thee; and I will scatter a third part into all the winds, and I will draw out a sword after them.

13 Thus shall mine anger be accomplished, and I will cause my fury to rest upon them, and I will be comforted: and they shall know that I the LORD have spoken it in my zeal, when I have accomplished my fury in them. 14 Moreover I will make thee waste, and a reproach among the nations that are round about thee, in the sight of all that pass by. 15 So it shall be a reproach and a taunt, an instruction and an astonishment unto the nations that are round about thee, when I shall execute judgments in thee in anger and in fury and in furious rebukes. I the LORD have spoken it. 16 When I shall send upon them the evil arrows of famine, which shall be for their destruction, and which I will send to destroy you: and I will increase the famine upon you, and will break your staff of bread: 17 So will I send upon you famine and evil beasts, and they shall bereave thee: and pestilence and blood shall pass through thee; and I will bring the sword upon thee. I the LORD have spoken it....."

kingjbible.com/ezekiel/5.htm

Now, if you don't think His words were fulfilled, maybe you'll believe another "pious man", a Pharisee by the name of Josephus:

Wars of The Jews

Flavius Josephus

The History of the Destruction of Jerusalem

www.preteristarchive.com/JewishWars/

"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2009-01-13   12:46:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: bluegrass (#8) (Edited)

If it's any guide, Eustace didn't trust David Duke either.

Some folks like Duke and some don't but I think he does a tremendous job so I defend him -

I must say this about Eustace I also remember him talking bad about Duke on a DBS radio program with Eric Huckshmit one time but it seemed to me that he was being manipulated or led to say those things, DBS and Eric had it in for just about everybody from Jeff Rense to Mike Rivero who was criticizing Jewish power (except for themselves) to the point that it was obvious they were agents. Although I would have a hard time producing the particular MP3 I remember Eustace taking back all those statements he made about David Duke when he was on a Michael Collins Piper program a couple of years ago --

Liberate Jim Traficant  posted on  2009-01-13   14:24:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: scrapper2 (#2) (Edited)

As soon as Duke covers a subject it becomes verboten for discussion because of who he is.

If somebody has to be approved by the MSM before you consider listening to them then that is your problem. When someone is on the outs with the establishment and media this helps their credibility in my eyes and I want to hear what they have to say and there is no one more hated by the media and establishment than David Duke!

Liberate Jim Traficant  posted on  2009-01-13   14:27:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: bluegrass (#8)

If it's any guide, Eustace didn't trust David Duke either.

did he say why?

christine  posted on  2009-01-13   14:27:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Liberate Jim Traficant, scrapper2, christine (#11)

Eustace's reason (this is from memory during a discussion on his porch) was one that's always rung true for me no matter who the person is:

If someone is flying around the world unimpeded, collecting awards and degrees, selling books, etc., while openly discussing Jewish power, it's a safe bet that they're someone's witting or unwitting agent.

He said the same about LaRouche too. Both Duke and LaRouche go to jail for financial issues and come out doing better than ever.

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-01-13   14:37:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#10)

Why do you think that?? They're of the same ilk as those "pious men" you extol:

I was speaking about the Hasidic Jews. You HAVE heard of them haven't you?

BTW, who wrote the Bible?

"Most Jews do not like to admit it, but our god is Lucifer "

Most self-righteous Christians do not like to admit it, but their God is the Sun God of various pagan religions.

The true Jesus was an Essene. The Essenes were a very peaceful, spiritual people, and WERE mystics from what can be determined by various ancient texts.

The Essenes were hunted down and exterminated by various Roman emperors and later the Roman Catholic Church. Those few who survived were forced into hiding, and the sect was largely lost. Many modern so- called Essene writings are nothing but bastardized forgeries of what once existed.

Now why would such a good and holy people such as the Christians do such a thing? Ever wonder "what if those apostles never really existed", and that the Gospels were written by Roman authors in order to create a religion which they could use to control the world? What if everything you THINK you know about Jesus and God is a lie?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2009-01-13   14:39:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: christine (#13) (Edited)

did he say why?

It was something concerning a mix up about a ride back from one of David's EURO conferences as I remember. It takes a stupendous amount of effort put on a conference in this day and age, I can attest to that as I attended his 2008 conference and there may indeed have been some confusion -

2008 EURO Conference Held Against All Odds!
http://www.davidduke.com/general/euro-2008-we-overcame-and- endured-against-all-odds_5579.html

Hear the Inspiring 2004 EURO Conference MP3s!
http://www.davidduke.com/general/hear-the-historic-and- inspiring-2004-euro-conference-mp3s-scroll-down_4607.html

Liberate Jim Traficant  posted on  2009-01-13   14:44:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Liberate Jim Traficant (#12)

If somebody has to be approved by the MSM before you consider listening to them then that is your problem.

b. When someone is on the outs with the establishment and media this helps their credibility in my eyes and I want to hear what they have to say and there is no one more hated by the media and establishment than David Duke!

Wrong. I don't have a problem, but truth does when Duke is associated with it in any shape or form.

When truth is sidelined, marginalized due to a self-designated spokesman's high profile unsavory personal baggage then it becomes difficult if not impossible for truth to ever see the light of day.

And do you honestly believe that Duke does not realize this rather obvious fact of life? Duke knows he brings nothing but bad karma, negative publicity to any subject he touches. So why does he continue to do it? Think, think, think.

scrapper2  posted on  2009-01-13   14:48:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#10)

"Most Jews do not like to admit it, but our god is Lucifer -- -- and we are his chosen people." - The Harold Wallace Rosenthal Interview 1976, The Hidden Tyranny

And BTW, I just looked up some references to what you posted here, and you're parroting bullshit from a person that CLAIMS Rosenthal said those things, yet the actual "tape" has never surfaced.

There could well be SOME elements of truth in terms of a global ZIONIST conspiracy, but to say that the God of the Torah (ie. Old Testament) is Lucifer is beyond absurd, and for you to believe that indicates you are certifiable.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2009-01-13   14:53:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: scrapper2 (#17)

So why does he continue to do it?

Ego gratification. It's not about the truth for Duke.

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-01-13   14:57:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: scrapper2 (#17) (Edited)

I don't have a problem, but truth does when Duke is associated with it in any shape or form.

I respectfully disagree, what I posted above was one of the greatest truthpackages I've ever read JMHO

Liberate Jim Traficant  posted on  2009-01-13   15:05:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: bluegrass (#19)

Ego gratification.

And $.

scrapper2  posted on  2009-01-13   15:05:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#10)

"Most Jews do not like to admit it, but our god is Lucifer -- -- and we are his chosen people." - The Harold Wallace Rosenthal Interview 1976, The Hidden Tyranny

And BTW, I find it awfully odd that Mr. Rosenthal would be killed while on a fact finding mission, ONE MONTH after allegedly giving this interview. Nice way to shut him up so that he can't refute it, eh?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2009-01-13   15:06:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Liberate Jim Traficant (#20)

I respectfully disagree, what I posted above was one of the greatest truthpackages I've ever read JMHO

Who cares whether it's truth or not? How many main-stream regular people would read or believe anything associated with David Duke and StormFront? Sorry not many. I wouldn't and I think I'm fairly representative of a well educated middle class person. I would rather walk on hot coals than cite David Duke as a source of information in any serious discussions I have about politics with family and friends. David Duke is a national pariah and as such is the kiss of death to any subject he touches. He knows it. I'm surprised you don't.

scrapper2  posted on  2009-01-13   15:18:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: FormerLurker (#15)

The true Jesus was an Essene. The Essenes were a very peaceful, spiritual people, and WERE mystics from what can be determined by various ancient texts.

The Essenes were hunted down and exterminated by various Roman emperors and later the Roman Catholic Church. Those few who survived were forced into hiding, and the sect was largely lost. Many modern so- called Essene writings are nothing but bastardized forgeries of what once existed.

Now why would such a good and holy people such as the Christians do such a thing? Ever wonder "what if those apostles never really existed", and that the Gospels were written by Roman authors in order to create a religion which they could use to control the world? What if everything you THINK you know about Jesus and God is a lie?

Okay, you forced me to go read an article that keeps popping up at thetruthseeker [for the most part, a very good site]. This is as far as I got before wanting to hurl:

"..... And then many sick and maimed came to Jesus, asking him. 33;if you know all things, tell us, why do we suffer with these grievous plagues? Why are we not whole like other men? Master, heal us, that we too may be made strong, and need abide no longer in our misery. We know that you have it in your power to heal all manner of disease. Free us from Satan and from all his great afflictions. Master, have compassion on us.33;

And Jesus answered- 33;Happy are you that you hunger for the truth, for I will satisfy you with the bread of wisdom. Happy are you, that you knock, for I will open to you the door of life. Happy are you, that you would cast off the power of Satan, for I will lead you into the kingdom of our Mother's angels, where the power of Satan cannot enter.33;

And they asked him in amazement: 33;Who is our Mother and which her angels? And where is her kingdom?33;

33;Your Mother is in you, and you in her. She bore you she gives you life. it was she who gave to you your body, and to her shall you one day give it back again. Happy are you when you come to know her and her kingdom; if you receive your Mother's angels and if you do her laws. I tell you truly, he who does these things shall never see disease. For the power of our Mother is above all. And it destroys Satan and his kingdom, and has rule over all your bodies and all living things.

33;The blood which runs in us is born of the blood of our Earthly Mother. Her blood falls from the clouds; leaps from the womb of the earth; babbles in the brooks of the mountains; flows wide in the rivers of the plains; sleeps in the lakes; rages mightily in tempestuous seas.

33;The air which we breathe is born of the breath of our Earthly Mother. Her breath is azure in the heights of the heavens; soughs in the tops of the mountains; whispers the leaves of the forest; billows over the cornfields; slumbers in the deep valleys, burns hot in the desert.

33;The hardness of our bones is born of the bones of our Earthly Mother, of the rocks and of the stones. They stand naked to the heavens on the tops of mountains; are as giants that lie sleeping on the sides of the mountains, as idols set in the desert, and are hidden in the deepness of the earth.

33;The tenderness of our flesh is born of the flesh of our Earthly Mother; whose flesh waxes yellow and red in the fruits of the trees, and nurtures us in the furrows of the fields.

33;Our bowels are born of the bowels of our Earthly Mother, and are hid from our eyes, like the invisible depths of the earth.

33;The light of our eyes, the hearing of our ears, both are born of the colors and the sounds of our Earthly Mother; which enclose us about, as the waves of the sea a fish, as the eddying air a bird.

33;I tell you in very truth, Man is the Son of the Earthly Mother, and from her did the Son of Man receive his whole body, even as the body of the newborn babe is born of the womb of his mother. I tell you truly, you are one with the Earthly Mother; she is in you, and you in her. Of her were you born, in her do you live, and to her shall you return again. Keep, therefore, her laws, for none can live long, neither be happy, but he who honors his Earthly Mother and does her laws. For your breath is her breath; your blood her blood; your bone her bone; your flesh her flesh; your bowels her bowels; your eyes and your ears are her eyes and her ears.

33;I tell you truly, should you fail to keep but one only of all these laws, should you harm but one only of all your body's members, you shall be utterly lost in your grievous sickness, and there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. I tell you, unless you follow the laws of your Mother, you can in no wise escape death. And he who clings to the laws of his Mother, to him shall his Mother cling also. She shall heal all his plagues, and he shall never become sick She gives him long life, and protects him from all afflictions; from fire, from water, from the bite of venomous serpents. For your Mother bore you, keeps life within you. She has given you her body, and none but she heals you. Happy is he who loves his Mother and lies quietly in her bosom. For your Mother loves you, even when you turn away from her. And how much more shall she love you, if you turn to her again? I tell you truly, very great is her love, greater than the greatest of mountains, deeper than the deepest seas. And those who love their Mother, she never deserts them. As the hen protects her chickens, as the lioness her cubs, as the mother her newborn babe, so does the Earthly Mother protect the Son of Man from all danger and from all evils. ......"

www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=194

Hopefully you will be able to recognize it as the nonsense it is.

If you think these are the "bastardized" versions, and you have some other "Essene gospels", please share.

======================

The proof of Christianity:

Mic 3:12 Therefore shall Zion for your sake be plowed [as] a field, and Jerusalem shall become heaps, and the mountain of the house as the high places of the forest.

Mat 24:2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

http://www.blueletterbible.org/s....cfm?b=Mic&c=3&v=12&t=KJV

http://www.preteristarchive.com/...significance-of-ad70.html

Isa 2:2 And it shall come to pass in the last days, [that] the mountain of the LORD'S house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.

Mic 4:1 But in the last days it shall come to pass, [that] the mountain of the house of the LORD shall be established in the top of the mountains, and it shall be exalted above the hills; and people shall flow unto it.......

Mic 4:9 Now why dost thou cry out aloud? [is there] no king in thee? is thy counsellor perished? for pangs have taken thee as a woman in travail.

Mic 4:10 Be in pain, and labour to bring forth, O daughter of Zion, like a woman in travail: for now shalt thou go forth out of the city, and thou shalt dwell in the field, and thou shalt go [even] to Babylon; there shalt thou be delivered; there the LORD shall redeem thee from the hand of thine enemies.

Mic 4:11 Now also many nations are gathered against thee, that say, Let her be defiled, and let our eye look upon Zion.

Mic 4:12 But they know not the thoughts of the LORD, neither understand they his counsel: for he shall gather them as the sheaves into the floor.

Mic 4:13 Arise and thresh, O daughter of Zion: for I will make thine horn iron, and I will make thy hoofs brass: and thou shalt beat in pieces many people: and I will consecrate their gain unto the LORD, and their substance unto the Lord of the whole earth. http://www.blueletterbible.org/B...cfm?b=Mic&c=4&v=1&t=KJV#1

CROSS PLANTED AT CAPE HENRY, 1607, AMERICA DEDICATED TO JESUS CHRIST AND THE SPREADING OF THE GOSPEL

"The enduring legacy of the First Landing

Posted: April 27, 2007

By Doug Phillips © 2009

Four hundred years ago yesterday, the world changed for the better.

A cross was planted in the ground and a prayer was offered to heaven. The cross was planted literally, but it was also planted spiritually.

The event was the first landing of the Jamestown settlers. One hundred and four of them arrived at Cape Henry on April 26, 1607. We remember the event as the "First Landing," but it might be better known as "Covenant Day" for America.

The rude wooden cross they stuck in the Virginia ground was more than an ebenezer of thanksgiving to God's providence. In fact, it was an actual gauntlet thrown in the face of the enemies of Christianity. It was a legal and spiritual challenge to all comers that declared, "This land now belongs to Christ and His people." [ http://www.blueletterbible.org/B...JV&x=62&y=9&b=Psa&c=2&v=6 / http://www.blueletterbible.org/s...k.cfm?b=Psa&c=2&v=6&t=KJV ]

The man who stood with the colonists and directed his men in prayers to the Lord was the Rev. Robert Hunt, a man of impeccable character and heartfelt faith who was described by Capt. John Smith as "that honest, religious, courageous, divine."

Hunt represented the heart of the mission of the Jamestown colony. The Virginia Charter of 1606 made it clear that while enterprise and prosperity were important goals of the colony, Gospel evangelism was the first mission of the settlers. Through his personal example, winsome dialogue, and spiritual leadership, Rev. Hunt worked to make this purpose for colonization a reality at Jamestown. He would take the message of covenant faithfulness to God, communicated so powerfully at the First Landing, and implement the principles supporting this covenant in the daily life of Jamestown.

When the settlers actually arrived at Jamestown, Rev. Hunt again walked his men to the shore and "gathered his flock around him without delay." Here again, prayer was the first order of the day. Standing in their midst under the trees, Hunt declared for the first time in the Western world the solemn invocation: 'The Lord is in His Holy Temple [ http://www.blueletterbible.org/B...m?b=2Cr&c=6&v=16&t=KJV#16 ]; Let all the earth keep silence before Him" (Habakkuk 2:20).

Each morning and evening, Rev. Hunt lead his people in the following prayer:

Almighty God, ... we beseech Thee to bless us and this plantation which we and our nation have begun in Thy fear and for Thy glory ... and seeing, Lord, the highest end of our plantation here is to set up the standard and display the banner of Jesus Christ, even here where Satan's throne is, Lord, let our labour be blessed in labouring for the conversion of the heathen. ... Lord, sanctify our spirits and give us holy hearts, that so we may be Thy instruments in this most glorious work."

The First Landing was a public declaration before the heathens of the land [Psalm 2:1] and the angels of Heaven ........" http://www.worldnetdaily.com/new...icle.asp?ARTICLE_ID=55421

4um: Christ is King of Israel, and Christians are the Israelitic Race... Jan 4, 2009 ... http://www.freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=93210

oops, sorry, forgot....you don't believe in the word of God.

oh well, once, twice.....in the words of Paul, my hands are clean.

"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2009-01-13   16:00:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Liberate Jim Traficant (#0)

Two words. Jonathan Pollard.

Old Friend  posted on  2009-01-13   16:11:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#24) (Edited)

If you think these are the "bastardized" versions, and you have some other "Essene gospels", please share.

I don't know if you would or could refer to the Dead Sea Scrolls as "Gospel", but they do shed some light on what the Essenes believed. As I said, I doubt ANYONE in this day and age would have access to the actual Messianic era Essene writings, as those writings were all destroyed.

For a bit of history on the Essenes, check this URL;

http://74.125.45.132/search? q=cache:kjTvB8xZ3agJ:paganizingfaithofyeshua.netfirms.com/essenes_and_their_infl

uence_behind_the_new_testament.htm+Essenes+roman+persecution&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=10 &gl=us

The actual site has a bandwidth exceeded message, but the page is still available in Google cache if you cut and past the above link into a browser.

I can not say with any certainty what is or isn't valid Essene doctrine, but I can say with a bit of authority that the Essene sect broke away from Pharisee Judaism and that is the sect that Jesus of Nazareth was part of.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2009-01-13   16:17:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#24)

What it comes down to friend, is that neither you nor anyone else can prove that what you consider canon or "gospel" to be anything other than the writings of men, which may in fact not even be the men you think they are.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2009-01-13   16:20:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: scrapper2 (#21)

And $.

Yah.

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-01-13   16:36:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#24)

oops, sorry, forgot....you don't believe in the word of God.

I don't believe men who proclaim themselves to be the word of God, no.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2009-01-13   16:38:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: FormerLurker (#15)

I was speaking about the Hasidic Jews. You HAVE heard of them haven't you?

Before my computer totally crashes, are you holding these people up as "pious"?

I had to look it up to be sure....but they are CHABAD LUBAVITCHERS who are antiChrist and antiChristian, the SYNAGOGUE OF SATAN, promoters of the SATANIC NOAHIDE LAWS and want to chop off our heads if we don't fall down and worhsip these Satanic Jews and their Satanic rules!

Now the Government Can Legally Kill Christians Mar 21, 2008 ... The goal of the organization is to enforce the Noahide Laws on every Gentile, making them slaves under the “rule” of the Hasidic Jews, ... www.takebackourrights.org/docs/noahidelaw.html

"....G-d gave Noah and all his descendants (B'nei Noach or "children of Noah") seven commandments to obey. These seven universal laws (known as the "Seven Noahide Laws") were reaffirmed with Moses and the Jewish people at Mt. Sinai in what is now known as the Oral Torah, establishing modern observance of these laws. These seven commandments (mitzvos), actually seven categories of hundreds of specific laws, are G-d's will for all non-Jews.

Non-Jews who (1) reject all idolatrous ideas and accept the kingship of the One G-d, (2) accept the priesthood of the Jewish people as the guardians and teachers of Torah, and (3) commit to following the Seven Noahide Laws as revealed in the Oral Torah from Mt. Sinai are "Hasidic Gentiles" or "Noahides." The term "Hasidic Gentile" is derived from a classic commentary by the Rambam, Rav Moshe ben Maimon (Maimonides), in The Laws of Kings 8:11:

"Anyone who accepts upon himself the fulfillment of these Seven Mitzvos [commandments] and is precise in their observance is considered one of the hasidei umos ha'olam ["Hasidim of the nations of the world"] and will merit a share in the World to Come."......"

http://www.noahide.com/7laws.htm

http://www.noahide.com/7laws.htm

"..... Whereas Rabbi Menachem Mendel Schneerson, leader of the Lubavitch movement, is universally respected and revered and his eighty-ninth birthday falls on March 26, 1991;

Whereas in tribute to this great spiritual leader, "the rebbe", this, his ninetieth year will be seen as one of "education and giving", the year in which we turn to education and charity to return the world to the moral and ethical values contained in the Seven Noahide Laws; and

Whereas this will be reflected in an international scroll of honor signed by the President of the United States and other heads of state: Now, therefore be it

Resolved by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, That March 26, 1991, the start of the ninetieth year of Rabbi Menachem Schneerson, leader of the worldwide Lubavitch movement, is designated as "Education Day. U.S.A.". The President is requested to issue a proclamation calling upon the people of the United States to observe such day with appropriate ceremonies and activities.

Approved March 20, 1991.

The doctrines of the Lubavitch Movement are derived from the Kabbalah, the source book of Jewish mysticism or Gnosticism. The Encyclopedia of Religion states that the Lubavitch Hasidic interpretation of the Lurianic system of Kabbalah is among those taught in traditional Jewish institutions:

"The dominant brand of Qabbalah in the modern Qabbalistic Yeshivot (traditional Jewish academies) is the Lurianic system. It is studied according to the interpretations offered by Mosheh Hayyim Luzzatto, by Eliyyahu ben Shelomoh Aalman, by Habad, the Lubavitch Hasidic Movement and by the Sefardic Qabbalists of the Beit El Academy in Jerusalem." 1.

The "Lurianic system" of Kabalah was developed by Rabbi Luria (Ari). Rabbi Luria is identified by the Encyclopedia of Religion as the most influential of the Kabbalist/Theosophists: "The success of Luria's thought was instantaneous: his theosophy was accepted unanimously . . . and his Qabbalah was regarded as superior to the Cordoverian system." 2.

H.P. Blavatsky traces the Kabbalah to the ancient mysteries of Babylon and Egypt: "As is well known, the Kabala never originated with the Jews, who got their ideas from the Chaldeans and the Egyptians." 3. Blavatsky stated in her Theosophical Glossary: "The kabalist is a student of 'secret science',... This secret doctrine is identical with that of the Chaldeans, and includes at the same time much of the Persian wisdom, or 'magic'... [T]he Kabala is derived directly from the primeval Secret Doctrine of the East; through the Vedas, the Upanishads, Orpheus and Thales, Pythagoras and the Egyptians. Whatever its source, its substratum is at any rate identical with that of all the other systems from the Book of the Dead down to the later Gnostics." ......."

UNDER THE [NOAHIDE] LAW

http://watch.pair.com/law.html

Pardon me, if I don't share your high estimation of these "pious men in black". They and their Babylonian religion can go to hell.

oh, yeah...and here's the source of your "Sun-god" theory:

"......Two other groups (both with Masonic connections) use the cross and crown. Charles Taze Russell was a Mason who started the Jehovah Witnesses.'4' He used the red cross and other distinctive features of the Knights Templar logo.'"

He also used the Masonic symbol of the winged sun-disk with snakes and he is "buried in a pyramid with masonic symbols on its capstone." 149 ....."

http://watch.pair.com/lahaye.html and here:

http://reformation.org/vatican-and-islam.html

Jews created Freemasonry, and they created the Catholic Church, which created Islam. It all began with those "pious men".

Jer 8:1 At that time, saith the LORD, they shall bring out the bones of the kings of Judah, and the bones of his princes, and the bones of the priests, and the bones of the prophets, and the bones of the inhabitants of Jerusalem, out of their graves:

Jer 8:2 And they shall spread them before the sun, and the moon, and all the host of heaven, whom they have loved, and whom they have served, and after whom they have walked, and whom they have sought, and whom they have worshipped: they shall not be gathered, nor be buried; they shall be for dung upon the face of the earth.

Jer 8:3 And death shall be chosen rather than life by all the residue of them that remain of this evil family, which remain in all the places whither I have driven them, saith the LORD of hosts.....

http://www.blueletterbible.org/B...cfm?b=Jer&c=8&v=3&t=KJV#3

Mat 23:15 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.

More proof of Jesus.

"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2009-01-13   17:29:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: FormerLurker (#18)

There could well be SOME elements of truth in terms of a global ZIONIST conspiracy, but to say that the God of the Torah (ie. Old Testament) is Lucifer is beyond absurd,

Judaism is recycled Phariseeism.....according to the Jewish encyclopedia.

and for you to believe that indicates you are certifiable.

that's okay....it puts me in good company:

Rev 2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and [I know] the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but [are] the synagogue of Satan.

Rev 3:9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

they didn't believe Him either.

"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2009-01-13   17:35:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#30)

Do you believe women should have their heads shaved and obey their masters, their husbands?

1 Corinthians 11

3: But I want you to understand that the head of every man is Christ, the head of a woman is her husband, and the head of Christ is God. 4 Any man who prays or prophesies with his head covered dishonors his head, 5: but any woman who prays or prophesies with her head unveiled dishonors her head -- it is the same as if her head were shaven. 6: For if a woman will not veil herself, then she should cut off her hair; but if it is disgraceful for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her wear a veil. 7: For a man ought not to cover his head, since he is the image and glory of God; but woman is the glory of man. 8: (For man was not made from woman, but woman from man. 9: Neither was man created for woman, but woman for man.) 10: That is why a woman ought to have a veil on her head, because of the angels. 11: (Nevertheless, in the Lord woman is not independent of man nor man of woman; 12: for as woman was made from man, so man is now born of woman. And all things are from God.)

13: Judge for yourselves; is it proper for a woman to pray to God with her head uncovered? 14: Does not nature itself teach you that for a man to wear long hair is degrading to him, 15: but if a woman has long hair, it is her pride? For her hair is given to her for a covering. 16: If any one is disposed to be contentious, we recognize no other practice, nor do the churches of God. 17: But in the following instructions I do not commend you, because when you come together it is not for the better but for the worse.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2009-01-13   17:46:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: FormerLurker (#26)

For a bit of history on the Essenes, check this URL;

when i get some bandwidth, i'll try to check it out, if it hasn't disappeared by then

I can not say with any certainty what is or isn't valid Essene doctrine, but I can say with a bit of authority that the Essene sect broke away from Pharisee Judaism and that is the sect that Jesus of Nazareth was part of.

oh, and what authority would that be, pray tell?

"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2009-01-13   17:46:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#31)

Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.

It is the false religion of Paul that you worship, along with the influences of the Pharisees.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2009-01-13   17:46:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#33)

oh, and what authority would that be, pray tell?

Every legitimate historical scholar has indicated that much at least.

Apparently you like to cut and paste a lot of goobly gook and attempt to use what suits you, but you ignore the fact that those words have no basis in truth.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2009-01-13   17:49:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#31)

Judaism is recycled Phariseeism.....according to the Jewish encyclopedia

Rev 2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and [I know] the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but [are] the synagogue of Satan.

So you believe that Jesus worshipped Lucifer? What exactly are you trying to say, that the Old Testament was a satanic bible?

Well, perhaps the very Essenes you apparently ridicule DID feel that mainstream Judaism was out of whack, and did create their own scripture. Thanks to your heroes, the Romans, most of them were wiped out and their documents burned or otherwise destroyed however.

Maybe I could find some interesting links that DO lead to pages that haven't exceeded their bandwidth...


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2009-01-13   17:53:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: FormerLurker (#32)

the point is not that she should shave her head....it's not saying that at all.

the point is that God created the governmental hierachy we should be governed by....it goes back to the garden of Eden.

I want you to understand that the head of every man is Christ, the head of a woman is her husband, and the head of Christ is God.

there is a flip side to that:

www.blueletterbible.org/B...m?b=Eph&c=5&v=25&t=KJV#25 - 32.

If you have a problem with it....so do a lot of people. You can be ruled by God, or tyrants. You can have eternal life, or the lake of fire. That's the choice.

"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2009-01-13   17:57:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#31)

they didn't believe Him either.

Him being whom, the Roman scribe who wrote it, or Paul who murdered many of the Ebionites, aka Nazarenes, aka Essene Nazarenes?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2009-01-13   18:01:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: FormerLurker (#35) (Edited)

Every legitimate historical scholar has indicated that much at least.

really.

i haven't had a chance to read this yet:

JESUS CHRIST WAS NOT AN ESSENE! « Jesus Christology Sep 1, 2007 ... blueletterbible.org/faq/sayings.htm… ... The Essene life was open to adult males. Jesus Christ specifically sought to include women and ... healtheland.wordpress.com...christ-was-not-an-essene/

you ignore the fact that those words have no basis in truth.

the fact that they have proven true over and over again proves to anyone with an ounce of sense they do.

"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2009-01-13   18:03:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#37)

Again, there is no authority in what you cut and paste, it is simply the words of SOME men who more than likely are not who you think they are, but Roman authors creating a belief system used to control medieval populations.

You claim that Jews are satanic, so you've got some serious reconcilation to do since Jesus was an Essene Jew.

You can babble that men are better than women all you want, just because a heretic wrote it doesn't make it true.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2009-01-13   18:06:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#39)

JESUS CHRIST WAS NOT AN ESSENE!

Your little blue man bible is written by a bunch of nutters.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2009-01-13   18:07:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: FormerLurker (#38)

pearls....

i'm done.

www.blueletterbible.org/s...cfm?b=Mat&c=10&v=14&t=KJV

"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2009-01-13   18:09:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: FormerLurker (#40)

You can babble that men are better than women all you want,

never said it.

www.blueletterbible.org/B...m?b=Gal&c=3&v=28&t=KJV#28

"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2009-01-13   18:11:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt, All (#39)

I don't know if I believe in the following, but here's some interesting perspectives on Paulian Christianity as opposed to what may have existed prior to his "influence" and that of Rome.

YAHSHUA OR PAUL?



ESSENE CHRISTIANITY VERSUS PAULIANITY

AN EXPOSE´ AND CALL TO ACTION


by Rev. Brother Nazariah, D.D.


"Paul was the first corrupter of the doctrines of Jesus"
-- Thomas Jefferson









In previous articles published in The Essene Path, I have briefly touched on the topic of how Paul, the self-proclaimed Apostle, violently opposed the original vegetarian Essene Christianity of Jesus, first by killing and imprisoning its leaders, then by infiltrating the movement and leading a schism. The schism led by Paul -- a meat-eating version of Christianity -- replaced the teachings of Jesus with the teachings of Paul. As briefly described in previous articles, "Paulianity" evolved into the Roman Catholic Church and gave birth to all of what is considered mainstream Christianity today, Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, and Protestant. Whereas I have briefly touched on this topic in previous articles, it is the purpose of this article to deal with it in great depth. I will begin by setting the stage; I will describe early Christianity as it existed prior to the advent of Paul. What were the main tenets of this pre-Pauline, Essene Christianity? What was the early Christian doctrine of salvation? Having set the stage, I will describe in detail the schism led by Paul which evolved into modern Christianity. I will conclude this expose´ with a call to action: A CALL TO REJECT PAULIANITY AND RETURN TO ESSENE NAZARENE CHRISTIANITY. The choice is simple, yet profound; and every Christian must make it: YAHSHUA (Jesus) OR PAUL?

First, some necessary background information must be given. There was an ancient Jewish religion which was very mystical, high and noble. It was a very evolved form of religion, rooted in respect and care for all of creation. This ancient Jewish religion was both very esoteric -- as evidenced by its Kaballah mysticism -- and yet very practical, as evidenced by its emphasis on daily lifestyle disciplines, ecology and communal economics. It was also VERY VEGETARIAN: not only was animal sacrifice forbidden, but so was the eating of animal flesh absolutely condemned. War and slavery had no part in this nonviolent religion. Women were the equals to men; women were entitled -- in fact, encouraged-- to participate in the Priesthood. This Priesthood -- called "The Priesthood of Melki Zadek" -- was governed by God via good angels and the divinely inspired BOOK OF THE ETERNAL COVENANT. Their original founder was Enoch; later, Moses led a major remanifestation of their movement. THIS ENLIGHTENED ANCIENT JEWISH RELIGION WAS KNOWN AS "ESSENE NAZARENE JUDAISM".

But Essene Nazarene Judaism was not the only form of Judaism. A violent, flesh- eating form of Judaism based on bloody animal sacrifice became the dominant religion in Israel. The nonviolent, vegetarian Essenes were persecuted by the animal sacrifice cult. Both forms of Judaism expected a Messiah: the sacrificial cult expected the Messiah to be a warrior king; the Essene Nazarenes expected a Messiah of Peace, a spiritual King. And so it was that the Messiah of Peace, the spiritual King of Israel, came to earth through the Essenes; for it was the Essene scriptures and prophecies that proved true. And so it was that the Essene Nazarene Jews, practitioners of the authentic Judaism established by God through Enoch and Moses, BECAME THE VERY FIRST CHRISTIANS!

The "first Christians" were not called "Christians"! That term was not used until years later. They were called "Essene Nazarene Ebionites". For short, they were usually referred to simply as "Nazarenes" or "Ebionites". Let us begin our description of early, pre-Pauline Christianity with a look at the meaning of the terms "Nazarene" and "Ebionite".

The term "Nazarene" refers to a member of the Essene movement associated with Mount Carmel in Northern Israel. The Essenes considered Mount Carmel to be so holy that none of the natural vegetation growing there could be disturbed: no trees cut, no bushes cleared away, no permanent dwellings built. Some of their priests lived on Mount Carmel in tents (similar to yurts) but no permanent structures were permitted. Even their Temple atop Carmel was a type of large tent, a beautiful yurt with a bloodless altar. Only a small contingent of their priests actually lived atop Mount Carmel, the majority of their membership lived in an Essene cooperative village a couple miles from the southwestern edge of the base of the mountain. That Essene village was called "Nazareth". Those who lived there were called "Nazarenes", as were all members of the Essene sect associated with Mount Carmel. Thus, the fact that Jesus was referred to as "the Nazarene" and his first followers were called "the sect of the Nazarenes" demonstrates the link between early Christianity and the Essene Nazarenes of Mount Carmel.

The other term that the first Christians were called was "Ebionite". The word "Ebionite" comes from the Hebrew word "Ebon" which literally means "poor" but implies "THOSE WHO HAVE VOLUNTARILY RENOUNCED WORLDLY MATERIALISM TO ENTER THE ESSENE LIFESTYLE OF SIMPLE LIVING AND RADICAL SHARING IN COMMUNITY." Simply put, an "Ebionite" is an "Essene renunciate", an Essene who has given up materialism to serve God within the context of the communal lifestyle in which all is shared. While all fully initiated Essene Nazarene Ebionites lived in, or were sent out on missions by, the network of Essene Christian communes, there was a large outer-circle of members not yet fully initiated who still lived in private homes. These outer-circle devotees were called "Hearers"; until ready to divest themselves of private wealth and join the communal economy, they studied the teachings and supported the communes by tithing. In the beatitudes of the Sermon on the Mount, Jesus declared "Blessed are the Ebon ("Poor"), for they shall inherit the Earth." He was not pronouncing a general blessing on all poor people; neither was he praising poverty. Rather, he was making specific reference to his sect, the Essene "Ebon" or "Ebionites" gathered around him atop the Mount.

The terms "Nazarene" and "Ebionite" are central to a correct understanding of early, pre-Pauline Christianity. Why? Because certain specific beliefs and practices can be identified with those terms. We know from many sources that both terms -- Nazarene and Ebionite -- are associated with: vegetarianism, reincarnation, God as both Father and Mother, communalism, pacifism, an absolute prohibition against slavery, absolute sobriety (no intoxicating drinks or drugs), equality of men and women, holistic health and Essene Yoga. THOSE ARE THE BELIEFS AND PRACTICES OF THE VERY FIRST CHRISTIANS, the beliefs and practices of the ESSENE NAZARENE EBIONITES.

And what was the doctrine of salvation of these early, pre-Pauline Christians? They believed that SALVATION IS DEPENDENT UPON FOLLOWING THE SAVING TEACHINGS OF YAHSHUA (Jesus). In a profound contrast with the theology of Paul -- which became orthodox Christianity ("Paulianity") -- the literature of the Essene Nazarene Ebionites NEVER TAUGHT SALVATION VIA BELIEF IN THE SACRIFICIAL DEATH OF JESUS ON THE CROSS. The Pauline doctrine which asserts that you can only be saved by believing that Jesus died for your sins, is called ATONEMENT. The Essene Nazarene Ebionites had a very different doctrine of Atonement; it was AT-ONE-MENT. They believed that to be AT-ONE with God (the goal of religion) one must follow THE SAVING TEACHINGS OF YAHSHUA, not simply believe in his sacrificial death. The Essene Nazarene Ebionites based their doctrine of salvation on the actual instructions they personally received from Yahshua before his crucifixion. Unlike Paul, who NEVER EVEN MET JESUS, the leaders of the Essene Nazarene Ebionites were PERSONALLY TRAINED AND INITIATED BY THEIR SPIRITUAL MASTER, YAHSHUA. In The Essene New Testament, Jesus tells his disciples that blood sacrifice cannot bring salvation:

Jesus was teaching his disciples in the outer court of the Temple and one of them said unto him, "Master, it is said by the priests that without shedding of blood there is no remission of sins. Can blood offerings take away sin?" Jesus answered, "No blood offering of beast or bird or man can take away sin. For how can the conscience be purged from sin by the shedding of innocent blood? Nay, it will increase the condemnation.... For sins against the Law of God there can be no remission, except by repentance and amendment."

So, Jesus made quite clear that no blood sacrifice -- not even his own -- can provide salvation for your sins; rather, you must quit sinning (repent) and follow his SAVING TEACHINGS. And that was the doctrine of salvation of the Essene Nazarene Ebionites.

It should be noted that while the Essene Nazarene Christians did not believe in the remission of sins via Jesus' sacrificial death, THEY DID BELIEVE JESUS PERFORMED A POWERFUL WORK ON THE CROSS. Fallen angels who had become disembodied demons were tampering with the subtle, etheric atmospheres of Planet Earth; especially: 1) the energy vortex involved with the process of exiting the body at death; 2) the purgatorial realm of past life review between incarnations; and, 3) the energy vortex involved with the process of taking new birth. For Jesus to purify and reorganize those subtle, etheric atmospheres of our planet, IT WAS NECESSARY FOR HIM TO DIE AS A HUMAN BEING AND ENTER THOSE SUBTLE REGIONS THROUGH THE ENERGY VORTEX WHICH WAS INFESTED WITH PARASITIC DEMONS. He did so, freeing many souls who were being held captive in the subtle planes (being sucked of life-force by vampire-like disembodied entities) and purified the entire between-lives region and energy vortexes. This took place during the three days after his crucifixion and prior to his reappearance to the disciples at the tomb. Thus, the Essene Christians believed that salvation was dependent on following the savings teachings of Jesus -- not belief in his sacrificial death -- BUT DID BELIEVE HE PERFORMED A MIGHTY WORK BY DYING AS A MAN AND PURIFYING THE BETWEEN-LIVES REGION. But no matter how vital and necessary that deed was, if we simply believe in it and neglect to follow his teachings, we will not experience AT-ONE- MENT with God. AT-ONE-MENT WITH GOD IS ACHIEVED VIA HARMONY WITH THE LAWS OF GOD -- the laws of the universe -- AND THOSE LAWS (and how to be in harmony with them) ARE THE SUBJECT OF THE TEACHINGS OF JESUS.

Having set the stage, I will begin now to describe how Paul, the self- proclaimed Apostle, violently opposed the original vegetarian Essene Christianity of Jesus, first by killing and imprisoning its leaders, then by infiltrating the movement and leading a schism. That schism, as I shall describe, evolved into mainstream, meat-eating Christianity.

About two decades after the crucifixion of Jesus, we meet Paul. Essene Nazarene Christianity was still true to the teachings of Jesus, being led by James, the brother of Jesus. Paul, an agent of the Jewish puppet-government installed by imperial Rome, then made his first appearance, leading a bloody assault on the Essene Christians in the Temple at Jerusalem. That vicious attack in which many Essene-Christians were murdered by Paul and his henchmen -- an historical fact you won't find in your "Pauline" Christian Bible -- is described by the Apostle Peter in an ancient Essene Christian manuscript titled, THE CLEMENTINE HOMILIES AND RECOGNITIONS; we read:

"... the high priest of the Jewish Temple in Jerusalem had often sent priests to ask us that we might discourse with one another concerning Jesus: when it seemed a fit opportunity, and it pleased all of our church, we accepted the invitation and went up to the temple. It was crowded with people who had come to listen, many Jews and many of our own brethren. First the high priest told people that they should listen patiently and quietly.... Then, he began exalting with many praises the rite of animal sacrifice for the remission of sins and found fault with the baptism given by our Jesus to replace animal sacrifice....

"To him our James began to show, by abundant proof that Jesus is the Christ, and that in Him are fulfilled all the prophecies which related to His humble advent. For, James showed that two advents of Him are foretold: one in humiliation, which He has now accomplished; the other in glory, which is yet to be accomplished....

"And when James had plainly taught the people concerning these things, he added this also, that unless a man be baptized in water, in the name of the threefold blessedness, as the True Prophet taught, he can neither receive remission of sins nor enter the kingdom of heaven: and he declared that this is the prescription of the unbegotten God.... And when James had spoken some more things about baptism, through seven successive days he persuaded all the people and even the high priest that they should hasten straightaway to receive baptism....

"And when matters were at that point that they would all come and be baptized, Paul and his men entered the temple: and Paul cried out: 'Oh men of Israel, why are you so easily influenced by these miserable men?' He began to excite the people and raise a tumult... and drive all into confusion with shouting, and to undo what had been done by James. Paul rebuked the priests for having listened to James, and, like a madman, began to excite the priests and people to murder James and the brethren, saying 'Do not hesitate; grab them and pull them to pieces.' Paul then, seizing a strong brand from the altar, set the example of smiting. Then others also, seeing him, joined in the beating. Much blood was shed. Although James and the brethren were more numerous and more powerful they rather suffered themselves to be killed by an inferior force, than to kill others. Paul attacked James and threw him headlong from the top of the steps; and supposing him to be dead left him."

Fortunately, James, the Brother of Jesus and leader of the Essene Christians, was revived by Essene healers. He and the other survivors of Paul's attack left Jerusalem and went to an Essene commune to heal. Paul continued to persecute Essene Christians, going from city to city with secret police agents, arresting and killing many.

Then, on the road to Damascus, Paul (this is the point where he changed his name from Saul to Paul) claimed to have a vision of Christ, and supposedly converted to Essene Christianity. By claiming conversion, Paul was entitled to receive initiation into the Essene mystery school (he entered their three year ministerial training program in Damascus) and to learn the various secrets of the group, including their hidden camps and underground church locations. At first, the brethren considered his conversion to be authentic. Later they realized it was no real conversion:  IT WAS AN INFILTRATION!

Once Paul had infiltrated the group and received ordination, he began to change the teachings of Jesus, especially in regard to vegetarianism. (We will examine the conflict between Paul and the old Apostles on vegetarianism in another section of this article.) Certainly, Paul is entitled to his own opinion on vegetarianism. But a study of all the source material makes clear that Paul did more than simply state his own opinion:  he DELIBERATELY and SYSTEMATICALLY replaced the original teachings of Jesus and the "old apostles" with his own very different teachings, not only on vegetarianism but also women's rights, slavery and more. In The Story of Christian Origins, Martin Larson writes:

"Paul declares that... the Elect may even eat meat sacrificed to idols.... Whereas Jesus honored women and found in them His most devoted followers, Paul never tires of proclaiming their inferiority. He declares that, man is the head of the woman and she must always submit to his will.... Whereas the Essenes proclaimed equality among the Brethren [the Essenes were the first people on earth to condemn and forbid the practice of slavery], Paul repeatedly declares that Christian slaves must be obedient to their Christian masters."

In one of the best books on early Christianity, Those Incredible Christians, Dr. Hugh Schonfield reports:

"For the Apostolic Church much that Paul taught was grievous error not at all in accord with the mind and message of the Messiah. The original Apostles could urge that the truth was known by them. But Paul had never companied with Jesus or heard what he said day after day [remember: Paul had never even met Jesus], and Paul's visions were the delusions of this own misguided mind....

"It was not only the teaching and activities of Paul which made him obnoxious to the Christian leaders: but their awareness that he set his revelations above their authority and claimed an intimacy with the mind of Jesus, greater than that of those who had companied with him on earth and had been chosen by him.... It was an abomination, especially as his ideas were so contrary to what they knew of Jesus, that he should pose as the embodiment of the Messiah 's will.... Paul was seen as the demon-driven enemy of the Messiah.... For the legitimate Church, Paul was a dangerous and disruptive influence, bent on enlisting a large following among the Gentiles in order to provide himself with a numerical superiority with the support of which he could set at defiance the Elders at Jerusalem. Paul had been the enemy from the beginning, and because he failed in his former open hostility he had craftily insinuated himself into the fold to destroy it from within."

In the two excerpts given directly above -- the excerpt from Larson's book and the excerpt from Schonfeld's book -- six important assertions are made in regard to Paul:

  1. Paul taught that it was okay for the Elect to eat meat sacrificed to idols;

  2. Jesus honored women and found in them his most devoted followers, but Paul proclaimed the inferiority of women and said that they must obey the will of men;

  3. The Essenes forbade slavery but Paul ordered Christian slaves to obey their Christian masters;

  4. Although Paul never met Jesus, he ignored the instructions of the Apostles who had been personally trained by Jesus, replacing the teachings of Jesus and the Apostles with his own very different teachings;

  5. Paul was, in the view of the Essene Christians, the "demon-driven enemy of the Messiah."

  6. Paul had been the enemy of Essene Christianity from the beginning, and because he failed in his former open hostility he had craftily infiltrated the movement to destroy it from within, leading a schism which became numerically strong enough to subdue the original church.

I will now address each of the above six assertions, providing evidence to support them. I will deal with the significance of the first assertion -- that Paul taught it was okay to eat meat offered to idols -- when I address number five because the two are intimately linked. Thus, I begin with assertion number two.

We saw above that Martin Larson, in his book The Story of Christian Origins, asserted that whereas Jesus honored women, Paul did not. Larson asserts that Paul taught the inferiority of women, commanding women to submit to men. We need not look far for evidence; simply grab the nearest bible and read Paul's own words; in First Corinthians, Chapter 11, Paul declares:

"Be imitators of me.... I commend you because you remember me in everything.... But I want you to understand that while the head of every man is Christ, the head of every woman is her husband.... And any woman who prays with her head uncovered dishonors her husband; if a woman will not cover her head with a veil, then her hair should be shaved off.... For a man ought not to cover his head, since he is the image and glory of God; but woman is the glory of man.... Neither was man created for woman, but woman for man. That is why a woman ought to have a veil on her head, as a sign of submission to her husband that all men and angels will see.... And if anyone disagrees with me about his, they must be told to obey; for nothing else is acceptable in churches of God."

Similarly, Paul declares in Chapter 5 of Ephesians:

"Wives be subject to your husbands, as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife in the same way that Christ is the head of the church. As the church is subject to Christ, so must wives be subject to their husbands in everything."

If you think the above words of Paul are not only egotistical -- "Be imitators of me" -- but also brand him as a male chauvinist, hold onto your hats (especially you women in church!); IT GETS WORSE! In Chapter 14 of First Corinthians, Paul writes:

"In all Christian churches, the women should keep silent whenever in church. For they are not permitted to speak, but should be subordinate.... If there is anything they desire to know, let them ask their husbands at home. For it is shameful for a woman to speak in church.... If any one thinks he is a prophet or spiritual, he must acknowledge that what I am writing to you is true and from the Lord God."

In the above excerpts from the Pauline New Testament -- the New Testament used by every Christian Church in the world today EXCEPT ESSENE CHURCH OF CHRIST (we use The Essene New Testament which has NO WORDS OF PAUL), Paul reveals himself to be biased towards women -- indeed, he seems to hate them -- and to be a megalomaniac. ("Megalomania" is a disease of the mind marked by unwarranted feelings of personal superiority, omnipotence and grandeur.) Probably, most of the older women reading this article remember having to wear hats or veils on their heads at church when they were little girls. That Pauline doctrine was enforced in nearly all Christian churches in America up until the women's liberation movement of the 1960's. That Pauline doctrine is still enforced in nearly every Christian church outside of America. Even today in America, especially in the Southern States, women still must wear head coverings in many of the more conservative denominations. Obviously, the Catholic prohibition against women being priests is rooted in this Pauline bias against women.

JESUS NEVER SPOKE NEGATIVELY ABOUT WOMEN THE WAY PAUL DID. At spiritual gatherings of his disciples, Mary Magdalene constantly peppered Jesus with spiritual questions, as did another woman named Mary and a woman named Martha. Jesus encouraged them to speak. Jesus' positive viewpoint in regard to women was a natural outgrowth of his understanding of God as both Father and Mother; we read in The Essene New Testament:

Jesus said, "God is both male and female, not divided but the Two in One.... In God the masculine is not without the feminine, nor is the feminine without the masculine.... In God the masculine powers and feminine powers are perfectly united as One.

"Verily, God created mankind in the Divine image male and female, and all nature is in the image of God.... In the beginning, God willed and there came forth the First Beloved Son and the First Beloved Daughter, united as Love and Wisdom, created in the Image and Likeness of the Father-Mother, and of these proceed all the generations of the spirits of God, the Sons and Daughters of the eternal....

"Therefore shall the name of the Father and Mother be equally hallowed, for they are the great powers of God...."

Wow! what a vastly different vibratory frequency are the words of Jesus in regard to the feminine energy than Paul's! While Jesus praises the feminine energy as being Divine and calls women "the daughters of God", Paul tells women to cover their heads as a sign of submission to men -- or to have their heads shaved bald as punishment -- and forbids them to speak at church! Hey Ladies, take your pick: Essene Christianity or Paulianity?

Next we will examine Schonfield's assertion that Paul permitted Christians to own other Christians in contrast to the absolute prohibition against slavery by the Essenes. Once again, we need look only so far as the nearest Pauline Bible - - the Bible on your bookshelf -- for evidence to support Schonfield; for, once again, Paul's own words condemn him. In chapter 6 of Ephesians, Paul instructs Christian slaves to obey their Christian slave masters as though the slave master were Jesus Christ:

"Slaves, be obedient to your masters, with fear and trembling, as to Christ."

Likewise, in chapter 3 of Colossians, Paul orders Christian slaves in another congregation to obey their Christian slave masters:

"Slaves, obey in everything those who are your earthly masters, fearing the Lord."

In 1st Timothy chapter 6, Paul instructs his ministerial student, Timothy, in the Pauline doctrine on slavery, and then displays his egotistical megalomania by asserting that anyone who disagrees with him knows nothing:

"Christian slaves must work hard for their owners and regard their owners as worthy of all honor.... If their owner is a Christian, that is no excuse to slow down their labor; rather, they should labor all the harder because a brother in the faith is profiting from their toil.... Timothy teach this truth and demand that all obey. For if anyone disagrees or teaches otherwise... he is puffed up with conceit and knows nothing. Timothy some may deny that this is the sound message of Jesus Christ... and may dispute over the meaning of Christ's words. These arguers have warped minds, are stupid and depraved."

Yes, the above words upholding slavery, like the previous words downgrading women, are printed on the pages of the supposedly "holy" Bible, the book which Pauline Christians call "the Word of God". Fortunately, there does exist a truly "holy" Bible; and, fortunately, that Bible forbids slavery and upholds the dignity of women. That truly holy Bible is The Essene New Testament; and it is indeed worthy of the term "THE WORD OF GOD." Unfortunately, the Pauline fundamentalists don't read it! Thus, the above excerpts from the Pauline bible upholding slavery were used by governmental and religious "authorities" to defend the institution of slavery for nearly 1,900 years. In fact, when Abraham Lincoln first tried to put an end to slavery in America many Christian Churches opposed him AND USED THE ABOVE WORDS OF PAUL TO DEFEND SLAVERY IN AMERICA. The Southern Baptist denomination was formed to defend the practice of slavery in America; their theological defense of slavery was based on the words of Paul. AND EVEN THE KU KLUX KLAN BASED THEIR EARLY PRO SLAVERY PROPAGANDA ON THE ABOVE WORDS OF PAUL. (The Klan was formed three years after the end of the Civil War but hoped to overturn the freedom won by blacks and return to slavery.) How many whipped black backs, stretched black necks (lynchings), cross burnings, (yes the Christian cross burning in front of a black person's home is a symbol of the Pauline Christian Klan) and burnt black churches are directly attributable to the above words of Paul?

Larson was certainly correct in his assertion that THE ESSENES ABSOLUTELY FOREBADE THE PRACTICE OF SLAVERY. In fact, as Upton Clairy Ewing points out in his book The Prophet of the Dead Sea Scrolls, the Essenes were the very first people in history to condemn slavery:

"The Essenes were the only sect in their part of the world who opposed the custom of slavery. They seem to have been the first people on earth to condemn slavery."

Philo of Alexandria, a contemporary of the Essenes, wrote:

"Least of all were any slaves to be found among them, for they saw in slavery a violation of the law of nature which made all people free."

Jesus, the Essene Messiah and founder of the religion Paul claimed to represent, declared:

"The Spirit of God is upon me. God has sent me to help the brokenhearted, TO PROCLAIM LIBERTY TO THE CAPTIVES!"

The fact that Paul betrayed the anti-slavery doctrine of Jesus and the Essene Christians is made clear by Ewing; we read in The Prophet of The Dead Sea Scrolls:

"When Jesus said: 'whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even to them', he, in effect, challenged the slave owner to extend freedom to others if he would himself be free....

"The Nazarenes, also called Ebionites, the sect who represented the first Christian congregation at Jerusalem under James, the Lord's brother, abided by the strict ascetic rules of their Essene brethren. They held it to be contrary to the plan of God for anyone to enslave another....

"However, at this point we find a parting of the ways: Palestinian Christianity was to be taken over and changed by the evangelist who labored amongst the Gentiles [Paul]. Materialism succeeded asceticism and human freedom became the first great ethic of Jesus Christ to bow to the carnal customs of the heathen. Paul at this time was, no doubt, under great stress and pain in both body and spirit, for in assuming the Roman custom of slavery, he was in consequence severely criticized and shunned by the old apostles. For this... he was called an 'Apostate'."

Please notice above that the Essene Christian's prohibition against slavery was only the first "great ethic of Jesus Christ" to be betrayed by Paul. Paul systematically altered many of the teachings of Jesus, replacing them with his own false gospel. Which brings us face-to-face with the fourth assertion made by Larson and Schonfeld: PAUL, ALTHOUGH HE NEVER MET JESUS, IGNORED THE INSTRUCTIONS OF THE APOSTLES WHO HAD BEEN PERSONALLY TRAINED BY JESUS, REPLACING THE TEACHINGS OF JESUS AND THE APOSTLES WITH HIS OWN VERY DIFFERENT TEACHINGS. That is a strong accusation to make. Do other scholars agree? Let's see.

In the excellent book Christ or Paul?, the Rev. V.A. Holmes-Gore wrote:

"Let the reader contrast the true Christian standard with that of Paul and he will see the terrible betrayal of all that the Master taught.... For the surest way to betray a great Teacher is to misrepresent his message.... That is what Paul and his followers did, and because the Church has followed Paul in his error it has failed lamentably to redeem the world.... The teachings given by the blessed Master Christ, which the disciples John and Peter and James, the brother of the Master, tried in vain to defend and preserve intact were as utterly opposed to the Pauline Gospel as the light is opposed to the darkness."

The great theologian Soren Kierkegaard, writing in The Journals, echoes the above sentiment:

"In the teachings of Christ, religion is completely present tense: Jesus is the prototype and our task is to imitate him, become a disciple. But then through Paul came a basic alteration. Paul draws attention away from imitating Christ and fixes attention on the death of Christ The Atoner. What Martin Luther, in his reformation, failed to realize is that even before Catholicism, Christianity had become degenerate at the hands of Paul. Paul made Christianity the religion of Paul, not of Christ. Paul threw the Christianity of Christ away, completely turning it upside down, making it just the opposite of the original proclamation of Christ."

The brilliant theologian Ernest Renan, in his book Saint Paul, wrote:

"True Christianity, which will last forever, comes from the gospel words of Christ not from the epistles of Paul. The writings of Paul have been a danger and a hidden rock, the causes of the principal defects of Christian theology."

In the above excerpt a reference is made to the "epistles of Paul". The word "epistle" means "letter". The Letters of Paul became a part of the New Testament; in fact, THERE ARE FAR MORE WORDS OF PAUL IN THE NEW TESTAMENT THAN THERE ARE WORDS OF JESUS! And as we are seeing from our study, the words of Paul are not at all in harmony with the words of Jesus! To continue to drive home that point, I am going to intentionally overwhelm you with an avalanche of quotations from great thinkers! The next is from the great American philosopher, Will Durant; in his Caesar and Christ, he wrote:

"Paul created a theology of which none but the vaguest warrants can be found in the words of Christ.... Through these interpretations Paul could neglect the actual life and sayings of Jesus, which he had not directly known.... Paul replaced conduct with creed as the test of virtue. It was a tragic change."

Robert Frost, winner of the Pulitzer prize for poetry in 1924,1931,1937 and 1943, in his "A Masque of Mercy", wrote:

"Paul, he's in the Bible too. He is the fellow who theologized Christ almost out of Christianity. Look out for him."

James Baldwin, the most noted black American author of this century, in his book The Fire Next Time, declared:

"The real architect of the Christian church was not the disreputable, sunbaked Hebrew (Jesus Christ) who gave it its name but rather the mercilessly fanatical and self-righteous Paul."

Martin Buber, the most respected Jewish philosopher of this century, wrote in Two Types of Faith:

"The Jesus of the Sermon on the Mount is completely opposed to Paul."

The famous mystic, poet and author, Kahil Gibran, declared in Jesus the Son of Man:

"This Paul is indeed a strange man. His soul is not the soul of a free man. He speaks not of Jesus nor does he repeat His Words. He would strike with his own hammer upon the anvil in the Name of One whom he does not know."

Above, the great Gibran, accurately reported something that I noticed when I first read the epistles of Paul as a youngster: PAUL DOES NOT QUOTE FROM THE WORDS OF JESUS! (Even before the gospels were written, all initiated Christians were instructed in the sayings of Jesus.) When you read the epistles of Paul, the Father of mainstream Christianity, all you get is Paul's own ideas; he never quotes the wise sayings of Jesus, he never reports on the life of Jesus. That point is also made by the famous theologian Helmut Koester, in his The Theological Aspects of Primitive Christian Heresy:

"Paul himself stands in the twilight zone of heresy. In reading Paul, one immediately encounters a major difficulty. Whatever Jesus had preached did not become the content of the missionary proclamation of Paul.... Sayings of Jesus do not play a role in Paul 's understanding of the event of salvation.... Paul did not care at all what Jesus had said.... Had Paul been completely successful very little of the sayings of Jesus would have survived."

Although I have amply demonstrated that Schonfeld and Larson's fourth assertion -- that Paul replaced the teachings of Jesus with his own very different teachings -- enjoys the support of many great thinkers, I am going to let the avalanche of supporting quotations continue to fall upon the reader a bit longer. But not without good reason. Because I am going to end this article with a call for Christians to abandon Paulianity and embrace Essene Christianity, I must provide OVERWHELMING SUPPORT FOR THE ASSERTION THAT PAUL BETRAYED THE TRUE TEACHINGS OF JESUS. And since many of the evangelical Christians currently under the yoke of Paul (instead of Jesus) are patriotic Americans, how about the following quotation from Thomas Jefferson, third president of the United States and author of the Declaration of Independence; he wrote in his "Letter to William Short":

"Paul was the first corrupter of the doctrines of Jesus."

The renowned English philosopher Jeremy Bentham, in his Not Paul But Jesus, declared:

"It rests with every professor of the religion of Jesus to settle within himself to which of the two religions, that of Jesus or that of Paul, he will adhere."

The eminent theologian Ferdinand Christian Baur, in his Church History of the First Three Centuries, wrote:

"What kind of authority can there be for an 'apostle' who, unlike the other apostles, had never been prepared for the apostolic office in Jesus' own school but had only later dared to claim the apostolic office on the basis on his own authority? The only question comes to be how the apostle Paul appears in his Epistles to be so indifferent to the historical facts of the life of Jesus.... He bears himself but little like a disciple who has received the doctrines and the principles which he preaches from the Master whose name he bears."

The great Mahatma Gandhi, the prophet of nonviolence who won freedom from England for India, in an essay titled "Discussion on Fellowship", wrote:

"I draw a great distinction between the Sermon on the Mount of Jesus and the Letters of Paul. Paul's Letters are a graft on Christ's teachings, Paul's own gloss apart from Christ's own experience."

Carl Jung, the famous Swiss psychiatrist, wrote in his essay "A Psychological Approach to Dogma":

"Saul's [Paul's name before his conversion] fanatical resistance to Christianity... was never entirely overcome. It is frankly disappointing to see how Paul hardly ever allows the real Jesus of Nazareth to get a word in."

As you can see, I am quoting from the intellectual cream of humanity. A few more and I will consider my point to be made. Let us continue with George Bernard Shaw, winner of the Nobel Prize for Literature in 1925; in his Androcles and the Lion, we read:

"There is not one word of Pauline Christianity in the characteristic utterances of Jesus.... There has really never been a more monstrous imposition perpetrated than the imposition of Paul's soul upon the soul of Jesus.... It is now easy to understand how the Christianity of Jesus... was suppressed by the police and the Church, while Paulinism overran the whole western civilized world, which was at that time the Roman Empire, and was adopted by it as its official faith."

Let us follow that Nobel prize winner with another. Albert Schweitzer, winner of the 1952 Nobel Peace Prize, has been called "one of the greatest Christians of his time." He was a philosopher, physician, musician, clergyman, missionary, and theologian. In his The Quest for the Historical Jesus and his Mysticism of Paul he writes:

"Paul... did not desire to know Christ.... Paul shows us with what complete indifference the earthly life of Jesus was regarded.... What is the significance for our faith and for our religious life, the fact that the Gospel of Paul is different from the Gospel of Jesus?.... The attitude which Paul himself takes up towards the Gospel of Jesus is that he does not repeat it in the words of Jesus, and does not appeal to its authority.... The fateful thing is that the Greek, the Catholic, and the Protestant theologies all contain the Gospel of Paul in a form which does not continue the Gospel of Jesus, but displaces it."

William Wrede, in his excellent book Paul, informs us:

"The obvious contradictions in the three accounts given by Paul in regard to his conversion are enough to arouse distrust.... The moral majesty of Jesus, his purity and piety, his ministry among his people, his manner as a prophet, the whole concrete ethical-religious content of his earthly life, signifies for Paul's Christology nothing whatever.... The name 'disciple of Jesus' has little applicability to Paul.... Jesus or Paul: this alternative characterizes, at least in part, the religious and theological warfare of the present day."

Rudolf Bultman, one of the most respected theologians of this century, wrote in his Significance of the Historical Jesus for the Theology of Paul:

"It is most obvious that Paul does not appeal to the words of the Lord in support of his.... views. When the essentially Pauline conceptions are considered, it is clear that Paul is not dependent on Jesus. Jesus' teaching is -- to all intents and purposes -- irrelevant for Paul."

Walter Bauer, another eminent theologian, wrote in his Orthodoxy and Heresy in Earliest Christianity:

"If one may be allowed to speak rather pointedly, the Apostle Paul was the only Arch-Heretic known to the apostolic age."

My point has been made. Schonfeld and Larson were quite correct in their assertion that PAUL REPLACED THE TEACHINGS OF JESUS WITH HIS OWN VERY DIFFERENT TEACHINGS. I have supported that assertion with powerful quotations from the intellectual cream of humanity. But before moving on to the next assertion in our list of six from Larson and Schonfeld, I choose to end this section on a humorous note (at least I find it humorous!). This rather humorous and certainly true quotation comes from another Nobel Prize winner; Ernest Hemingway:

"That Saint Paul.... He's the one who makes all the trouble!"

Do I hear a chuckle?

Earlier in this article, I listed six assertions made by scholars Martin Larson and Hugh Schonfeld in regard to Paul, and then began to provide supporting evidence for each assertion. We began with assertion number two because, as I explained at the time, I will address assertion number one when I address assertion number five, as they are intimately linked. We have now reached that point; we will now address numbers two and five. We will deal with the two assertions as a unit. Assertion one is: PAUL TAUGHT THAT IT WAS OKAY FOR CHRISTIANS TO EAT MEAT, EVEN MEAT WHICH HAD BEEN SACRIFICED TO IDOLS. Assertion five: PAUL WAS, IN THE VIEW OF THE ESSENE CHRISTIANS, THE DEMON-DRIVEN ENEMY OF THE MESSIAH. The two assertions are linked in that the Essene Christians believed disembodied demons were responsible for the introduction and continuance of flesh eating and animal sacrifice on our planet THROUGH THE AGENCY OF HUMAN TOOLS. In other words, when Larson stated that the Essene Christians considered Paul to be the "demon driven" enemy of the Messiah, he intended the term "demon-driven" to be taken quite literally, not figuratively. Although some of the modern readers of this article may not believe in disembodied demons, the ancient Essene Christians -- including Jesus -- certainly did. (Jesus performed many exorcisms.) So that the modern reader may understand the ancient Essene Christian belief in demons -- including their belief that the demons introduced flesh eating and animal sacrifice to our planet via human tools like Paul -- I am going to provide extensive background information.

Planet earth was, originally, a VEGETARIAN PARADISE. In the first chapter of the first book of the Bible, Genesis, the first humans are told by God:

"Behold I have given you every herb bearing seed which is upon the face of all the earth, and the fruit of the trees, for you it shall be for meat. And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth on the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so."

Obviously, something occurred which overturned God's plan for a vegetarian earth. But who -- or what -- would dare oppose the will of God?

Answer: THE FALLEN ANGELS OF THE LUCIFERIAN REBELLION.

A host of fallen angels, demonic soldiers of Satan, came to vegetarian earth and instituted bloody sacrificial rites, flesh-eating and warfare. Several ancient manuscripts provide the above information. In The Book of Jubilees, fragments of which were found amongst the Dead Sea Scrolls, we read that fallen angels came to earth and:

"... the way of life of every creature became corrupted; and they began to devour one another."

In The Book of Enoch, also found amongst the Dead Sea Scrolls, we read:

"The fallen angels... began to injure birds, beasts, reptiles, and fishes, to eat their flesh and drink their blood. Moreover, they taught men to make swords, knives, shields, and breastplates...."

These fallen angels mated with earth women and produced a race of half demon half human giants that terrorized the world. Finally, in an attempt to purify the land, Mother Earth and Father Sky responded: A flood was sent. The Book of Jubilees makes clear that the flood was a response to the demon- caused fall of mankind from vegetarianism to flesh eating. Martin Larson, in his excellent book The Essene Heritate (subtitled: "The Teacher of the Scrolls and the Gospel Christ."), writes:

"... it was basic Essene doctrine that sin did not derive from Adam but from the activities of the fallen angels known as the Watchers.... Some of the lower angels came to this earth to give instruction.... They became degenerate and could no more ascend to heaven. This was the Fall, precisely as we learn in Enoch and Jubilees.... This, according to Essene-Ebionite doctrine, was the origin of that dreadful impiety, the eating of meat. Blood, thus shed, polluted the air with noxious vapors; mankind was filled with diseases; and death came prematurely and in agony."

Another ancient manuscript, The Clementine Homilies and Recognitions, informs us that NONE OF THE BODIES of the demonic entities survived the flood; BUT THEIR EVIL SOULS DID SURVIVE! And they continued to cause trouble. Because the demonic entities no longer had physical bodies -- and were forbidden by God to incarnate as humans -- they had to get their bloody thrills vicariously. In The Clementine Homilies and Recognitions, the Apostle Peter explains:

"But the reason why the demons delight in entering into men's bodies is that, being disembodied spirits and having perverted desires after meat and sex, but not being able to partake of these due to being spirits, and wanting organs fitted for their enjoyment, they enter the bodies of men in order to gain organs with which to satisfy their lusts, both meat and sex."

Peter goes on to give many more "gory" details. Through the flesh diet, the demons are able to decrease the rate of vibration of your aura (energy field around your body) to the point they can pierce it and enter your body. Then, they attach themselves to your mind and "make suggestions" to you, suggestions which you believe are from your own mind. Through the agency of your body -- including your sex organs -- these demons get their vicarious "thrills". Because they feed off of emotional turbulence and pain, they attempt to influence human behavior in such a way as to increase the likelihood of wars, violence and crime. Tens of thousands of these demons "hang out" at such places as slaughter houses, battle fields, brothels and bars, feeding on the negative energy. In order to "cultivate" their "garden of pain", these demons attempt to influence politics, business and religion.

Shortly, we will consider how the sentence directly above -- especially the word "religion" -- relates to the false apostle Paul. But first I want to expose you to two more ancient accounts of the fall of humanity from original vegetarianism. The second of the following accounts is especially significant in that it links the fall from vegetarianism to the beginning of demonic, animal (and human) sacrifice in religion. The first of the two accounts is from the Oahspe:

"And in that same time the Beast rose up before man, and spake to him saying: 'Whatsoever thou findeth to eat, be it fish or flesh, eat thou thereof taking no thought of tomorrow.' And man ate fish and flesh, becoming carnivorous, and darkness came upon him and he neither heard the voice of God or believed in Him."

The fall from original vegetarianism into flesh eating and then human sacrifice is described in The Covenant of Love (a version of the New Testament revised with help from the Dead Sea Scrolls and published as part of Upton Ewing's, The Essene Christ). We read:

"And God said to man: 'Behold I have given you every herb bearing seed and every tree in the garden... to you it shall be for meat....' But alas!.... The will of God was no longer obeyed. Divine principles were overcome by sensual desires.... The most sacred of trusts of all time was annulled by the lusts of the appetite, and the blood of an innocent creature stained the hands of man....

"The Tree of Life was rent with pain. Its leaves hung limp in sorrow, its precious fruits fell to the ground in rot, and its stench deplored the sickening deed....

"Fear and foreboding grasped the heart of every living creature. The bold became vicious and the meek fled in terror, and the carcasses of dead beasts became the abomination of carnal appetites....

"Farther and farther man strayed from the truth of God. More and more did his power of choice become dominated by greeds and lusts. Weaker and weaker became his will to resist the cravings of the senses. Greater and greater grew the separation between the way of God and the way of man. And the True Light was obscured by the denseness of man 's own maleficent designs, and he no longer recognized the Divine Presence. Man thereafter began to invent his own god or gods.... [at which point the demons set themselves up to be worshipped as gods.]

"They arranged a variety of lewd ceremonials and lurid dances to please the indulgence of a 'sensuous God'. They spilled the blood of virgins, of children, and of the gentle lamb and the faithful ox upon the temple altars to satisfy a lustful God."

While the last paragraph of the above excerpt is shocking enough -- dealing with human sacrifice -- Peter, in the Clementine manuscript, makes an additional claim; he declares that the demons not only instituted animal and human sacrifice, but even CANNIBALISM:

"... these bastard men tasted also human flesh. For it was not a long step to the consumption of flesh like their own, having first tasted it in other forms."

Although most historians do not believe in fallen angels -- or any other angels -- it is a mater of historical record that animal sacrifice, human sacrifice and cannibalism occurred -- and in some dark corners of the world still occur -- ON TEMPLE ALTERS IN THE NAME OF RELIGION. (There are many traces of that demonic religion in the sections of the Old Testament which were composed by the scribes of the cult of sacrifice; that cult of sacrifice was briefly described in the first pages of this article. The Essenes declared that much of the Old Testament came not from God, but from the fallen priesthood of the sacrificial cult. The Essenes described the Old Testament "Book of Leviticus" as "the work of a wicked angel". In Leviticus -- which you will find in the Pauline "Holy" Bible on your book shelf -- we read such things as:

"He shall lay his hand on the head of the victim and it will be accepted on his behalf to make expiation for him. He shall slaughter the bull before God, and the priests shall present the blood and fling it against the altar all around the entrance.... He shall then flay the victim and cut it up.... The priests shall arrange the pieces, including the head and suet, on the wood on the altar fire, the entrails and shins.... And the priest shall burn it all on the altar... a soothing odor to God."

We also read in the "Holy" Bible, Book of Leviticus:

"This is the law of the guilt-offering: it is most sacred. The guilt- offering shall be slaughtered... and its blood shall be flung against the altar. The priest shall cut out the entrails, the two kidneys, the haunches and the long lobe of the liver. The priest shall burn these pieces on the altar as an offering to God."

Charles Vaclavik, in his book The Vegetarianism of Jesus Christ, accurately reports:

"The altar of the ancient Judaic Temple was a slaughter house, butcher shop, and barbecue pit. The Essenes were absolutely opposed to the sacrificial cult of Judaism; they considered it -- and the eating of animal flesh -- to be of demonic origin."

Now, let us begin to examine how all the above relates to Paul. You will recall that Martin Larson asserted (assertion #1 on our list of six) that Paul taught IT WAS OKAY FOR CHRISTIANS TO EAT FLESH, EVEN FLESH FROM ANIMALS SACRIFICED TO IDOLS. First, let us see if Larson is correct; did Paul permit the eating of flesh, even flesh sacrificed to idols? As with Paul's upholding of slavery and his downgrading of women, we need not look far for evidence to confirm Larson's assertion in regard to Paul and meat; the nearest Pauline Bible will suffice. In his Epistle called "Romans", Paul wrote:

"... he whose faith is weak eats only vegetables.... For meat destroys not the work of God."

Later, after Paul had led an outright schism against the "old Apostles" (i.e. against those who had actually known, walked with, and been trained by Jesus), he went so far as to call vegetarianism a doctrine "taught by demons"; in 1st Timothy (the same epistle in which he ordered Christian slaves to work extra hard for their Christian slave masters), Paul declared:

"The spirit clearly warned me that in latter times some would abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. Such teachings come through hypocritical liars... commanding people to abstain from meats, which God created to be eaten with thanksgiving.... For every animal created by God is good for eating, and none are to be refused if received with Thanksgiving."

Shortly we shall see that Paul even encouraged the eating of meat sacrificed to idols. But before doing so, we need to compare the above words of Paul with those of Jesus. After all, Paul has asserted that those whose "faith is weak eat only vegetables" and that "every animal created by God is good for eating". He has even gone so far as to call vegetarianism a doctrine taught by "hypocritical liarers" and "demons". QUESTION: Does Paul consider Jesus to be a "hypocritical liar" or "demon"? For, consider the following words of Jesus on vegetarianism; in the Essene New Testament we read:

Jesus said:

"Verily I say unto you, they who partake of benefits which are gotten by wronging one of God's creatures, cannot be righteous; nor can they understand holy things, or teach the mysteries of the kingdom, whose hands are stained with blood, or whose mouths are defiled with flesh.

"God giveth the grains and the fruits of the earth for food; and for righteous man truly there is no other lawful sustenance for the body....

"Wherefore I say unto all who desire to be my disciples, keep your hands from bloodshed and let no flesh meat enter your mouths, for God is just and bountiful, who ordained that man shall live by the fruits and seeds of the earth alone."

Of course, Jesus practiced what he preached: he was himself a vegetarian. In The Gospel of the Holy Twelve, we read:

Jesus said:

"Of the fruits of the trees and the seeds of the herbs alone do I partake, and these are changed by the Spirit into my flesh and my blood. Of these alone and their like shall ye eat who believe in me, and are my disciples, for of these, in the spirit, come life and healing unto man."

In another verse of the same manuscript, Jesus declares:

"I am come to end the sacrifices and feasts of blood, and if ye cease not offering and eating of flesh and blood, the wrath of God shall not cease from you, even as it came to your fathers in the wilderness, who lusted for flesh, and they ate to their content, and were filled with rottenness, and the plague consumed them."

Immediately prior to the above quotations of Jesus, I listed two excerpts which prove Paul upheld the eating of animals; but what about meat sacrificed to idols? In his epistle called "Corinthians" (the same epistle in which he ordered women to keep their heads covered as a sign of submission to their husbands -- or have their heads shaved bald as punishment -- and never to speak in church), Paul wrote:

"As to eating meat offered in sacrifice unto idols, it makes no difference to God whether you eat such meat."

Compare the above words of Paul with the following words of Peter; in The Clementine Homilies, Peter declared:

"But you are still ignorant of this law, that everyone who worships demons or their idols, or sacrifices to them, or partakes with them of their table, shall become subject to them and receive all punishment from them, as being under wicked lords. And you who, on account of ignorance of this law, have been corrupted beside their altars, and have been satiated with food offered to them, have come under their power, and do not know you have been in every way injured in respect of your bodies. But you ought to know that the demons have no power over any one, unless first he be their table-companion; since not even their chief can do anything contrary to the law imposed upon them by God wherein the demons have no power over any one who does not worship them by being their table-companions in the eating of flesh.... But you, being ignorant of the foreordained law, are under the power of the chief of demons through evil deeds, wherefore you are polluted in body and soul, and in the present life you are tyrannized over by sufferings and demons.... If therefore, ye wish to be the vesture of the Divine Spirit,.... neither believe in idols, nor partake with them of the impure table...."

In the Clementine manuscript, Peter repeatedly uses the terms "table of the Lord" and "table of the demons." The term "table of the Lord" is used to indicate all vegetarian foods. The term "table of the demons" is used to indicate all non-vegetarian foods, all types of meat. IMPORTANTLY (very important in that it serves as a MAGIC KEY to unlock the true meaning of important passages in The New Testament), Peter asserts that anyone who eats any meat from any source is guilty of eating meat offered to demonic idols -- whether or not any sort of demonic ritual was connected to that particular piece of meat. That is so, insists Peter, because the practice of eating animal flesh was originally introduced by demons to humanity as a sacrificial rite. In reality it still is exactly that, according to Essene- Ebionite Peter, whether or not the flesh eater is aware of that fact. Thus, Peter concludes, "eating any animal flesh is always a tribute to the demons," is a "direct link" to various demonic rituals including "human sacrifice and cannibalism" and constitutes "EATING THINGS OFFERED TO IDOLS" -- a clear violation of the commandment against idol worship. All potential converts to Essene-Ebionite Christianity (original Christianity) were told they must choose between the table of the Lord or the table of the demons. There was no room for compromise.

In regard to the Essene Christian belief that Paul was "demon-driven" in his effort to subvert the teachings of Jesus (assertion number five in our list of six), consider the following words of Peter in The Clementine Homilies:

"Many not knowing how they are influenced, consent to evil thoughts suggested by the demons, as if they were the reasoning of their own souls.... For as fire serpents draw sparrows to them by their breath, so also these demons draw to their own will those who partake of their table of flesh meats."

We see from the above that Paul, according to Essene Peter, may have been influenced by demons without knowing it. According to Peter, any human that eats meat becomes susceptible to demonic influence -- WHICH IS THE VERY REASON THE DEMONS INTRODUCED THE MEAT DIET TO HUMANITY IN THE FIRST PLACE. To the Essene Christians, how suspicious it must have seemed that:

  1. Paul first attacked them (the attack in the temple described earlier in which Paul threw James, the Brother of Jesus, off a balcony and murdered many Essenes) JUST AS JAMES WAS ABOUT TO GAIN THE AGREEMENT OF THE MAINSTREAM JEWS TO GIVE UP ANIMAL SACRIFICE AND RECEIVE BAPTISM AS VEGETARIAN CHRISTIANS (one of the requirements of baptism was vegetarianism); and,

  2. Paul, after faking a "conversion" on the road to Damascus, infiltrated their movement and founded a meat-eating version of Christianity in which even meat sacrificed to demonic idols was "kosher". Obviously, the disembodied demons who delight in entering human bodies to experience various vicarious thrills (described in detail earlier) AND CAN ONLY DO SO WHEN THE PROTECTIVE HUMAN AURA FIELD IS SLOWED DOWN BY THE INGESTION OF FLESH, are not going to give up without a fight! Thus, because Paul was the human who led the charge to protect the interests of the demons against the reforms of Jesus -- and Paul was definitely the point-man -- it is reasonable to assume that he was indeed "demon-driven", that he was a tool used by the demons. This was the opinion of the Essene Nazarene Christians.

Again, I realize it may be difficult for some modern readers of this article to believe in disembodied demons. But I will confess here and now that I believe the Essene Christians were correct in their analysis: PAUL WAS UNWITTINGLY INFLUENCED BY DISEMBODIED NEGATIVE ENTITIES. I am not alone in my agreement with the early Essene Christians in this regard; consider the following words of Rev. V.A. Holmes-Gore, a respected scholar. In his book Christ or Paul, he writes:

"Let the reader contrast the true Christian standard with that of Paul and he will see the terrible betrayal of all that the Master taught.... The powers of evil which failed to defeat the Master's mission by bringing about the crucifixion, partly achieved their object by working through Paul and his friends to alter the teachings and give them a false interpretation.

"It is clear from his own Epistles that Paul was the victim of evil forces and received his visions from an unreliable source, for in II Corinthians, he says: .... 'I will come to visions and revelations of the Lord.... And by reason of the exceeding greatness of the revelations... there was given me a thorn in the flesh, a messenger of Satan to buffet me....' Thus, Paul admits that his visions and revelations came to him from... a very unreliable source.... Had he been caught up into the seventh heaven, or into the Angelic world his evidence might have been trustworthy but that was not possible for one who befogged his spiritual vision by eating flesh and drinking wine....

"Various other sayings of Paul suggest that it was some kind of possession by the powers of evil.... Thus he speaks of having to wrestle against something not physical.... This passage and the reference to the 'thorn in the flesh' as the 'messenger of Satan' sent to buffet him show that Paul was the victim of the evil powers, and it is therefore easy to understand how, WITHOUT REALIZING IT OR EVER INTENDING IT, he became a vehicle of those influences which were determined to betray the Master's teachings and defeat His mission.

"It is evident that when the principalities and powers failed to exterminate Christianity by accomplishing the Master's crucifixion through agents such as Caiaphas, Herod and Pontius Pilate, they tried another way of accomplishing their object. When they saw that the Gospel could not be exterminated they devised a more cunning means of rendering it ineffective. They used false teachers, of whom Paul is the most famous, to popularize the Gospel and rob it of its power to redeem mankind.... Thus did the evil powers use Paul as their Chief Apostle to defeat the very religion which he believed he was especially chosen to promote."

We come now to the last in our list of six assertions from Schonfield and Larson. Assertion six is: PAUL HAD BEEN THE ENEMY OF ESSENE - CHRISTIANITY FROM THE BEGINNING, AND BECAUSE HE FAILED IN HIS FORMER OPEN HOSTILITY HE HAD CRAFTILY INFILTRATED THE MOVEMENT TO DESTROY IT FROM WITHIN, LEADING A SCHISM WHICH BECAME NUMERICALLY STRONG ENOUGH TO SUBDUE THE ORIGINAL CHURCH. In the course of dealing with the first five assertions from Schonfeld and Larson, we have already amply demonstrated the truth of the first portion of assertion six -- that Paul had been the enemy of Essene Christianity from the beginning -- and have at least touched on the other aspects of assertion six. But there is yet some fresh and fascinating material to consider in regard to this sixth and final assertion. Perhaps the most intriguing of our yet to be introduced material is found in the book, The Dead Sea Scrolls Deception (the book documents how the Catholic church conspired to suppress the explosive contents of the Dead Sea Scrolls). In Chapter 16 of that book, a Chapter titled "Paul: Roman Agent or Informer", the authors, Michael Baigent and Richard Leigh, provide evidence to support our assertion that Paul "craftily infiltrated" the Christian movement to "destroy it from within":

"... his [Paul 's] teachings -- which become the foundation of later Christianity -- are a flagrant deviation from the 'original' or 'pure' form extolled by the leadership.... James, the Lord's brother... knew Jesus personally. So did most of the other members of the community or 'early church' in Jerusalem -- including, of course, Peter. When they spoke, they did so with first-hand authority. Paul had never had such personal acquaintance with the 'Savior'. For Paul to arrogate authority to himself... is, to say the least, presumptuous. It also leads him to distort Jesus' teachings beyond all recognition -- to formulate, in fact, his own highly individual and idiosyncratic theology, and then to legitimize it by spuriously ascribing it to Jesus.... Paul knows full well what he is doing. He understands... the techniques of religious propaganda....

"Startling though the suggestion may be, it does seem... that Paul was some species of Roman 'agent'. Eisenman was led to this conclusion by the scrolls themselves, then found the references in the New Testament to support it.... Does Paul, then, belong in the company of history's 'secret agents'? Of history's informers?.... But in any case... the movement entrusted to the 'early Church' and the Qumran community was effectively hijacked and converted into something that could no longer accommodate its progenitors."

Baigent and Leigh's reference above to "Eisenman", is in regard to a scholar named Robert Eisenman. Eisenman's research indicates that although most of the Dead Sea Scrolls were written prior to Christianity, at least one of them -- the "Habakkuk Commentary" -- was written by early Essene Christians and concerns Paul. In that Scroll, Paul is referred to as "the Man of Lies"! In regard to the suggestion by Baigent and Leigh that Paul was some species of Roman "agent", they offer strong evidence in support, including:

"While in Caesarea, he [Paul] hobnobs in congenial and intimate fashion with the Roman procurator... he is also intimate with the procurator's brother-in- law, Herod Agrippa II and with the king's sister -- later the mistress of Titus, the Roman commander who will destroy Jerusalem and eventually become emperor.

"These are not the only suspicious elements looming in the background of Paul 's biography. From the very beginning, his apparent wealth, his Roman citizenship and his easy familiarity with the presiding establishment have differentiated him from... other members of the 'early church'. Obviously, he has influential connections with the ruling elite. How else could so young a man have become the high priest's hatchet man? In his letter to the Romans (16:11), moreover, he speaks of a companion strikingly named 'Herodian' -- a name obviously associated with the ruling dynasty.... And Acts 13:1 refers to one of Paul's companions in Antioch as 'Manaen, who had been brought up with Herod the Tetrarch'....

"Paul's heavily escorted departure from the city, his sojourn in luxury at Caesarea, his mysterious and utter disappearance... these things find a curious echo in our own era. One is reminded of beneficiaries of the 'Witness Protection Program'.... He consents to give evidence and testify.... Having cooperated with the authorities, he would then be given a 'new identity' and... resettled somewhere.... Does Paul, then, belong in the company of history's 'secret agents'? Of histories informers?"

The reader may choose between two theories on the motive of Paul: 1) He was unwittingly influenced by negative, disembodied demons; 2) He was a secret agent planted by the Roman police, working in league with the Jewish puppet- government and high priest installed by Rome. My own opinion -- and this was the opinion of the Essene Christians -- is that both the above are true: Paul was unknowingly influenced by disembodied demonic powers and, also, worked knowingly with corrupt worldly powers. But regardless of Paul's motive, all of the sources in this article are in agreement in regard to the following: PAUL CRAFTILY INFILTRATED THE CHRISTIAN MOVEMENT AND SUBVERTED IT. Jesus, himself had warned of this; we read in Rev. V.A. Holmes-Gore's Christ or Paul:

"The triumph of Paul's Gospel is all the more remarkable in view of the Master's repeated warnings that false teachers would arise immediately after his 'going away'. Thus we read in Matthew: 'Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly are ravening wolves. By their fruits ye shall know them.... Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but the corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.... Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter the kingdom, of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.'

"This warning fits Paul, who taught that entry into the kingdom of Heaven depends upon faith, i.e. by calling Jesus "Lord, Lord", and did not teach the pure way of life by which alone man can enter the kingdom. And if we apply to Paul the test 'by their fruits ye shall know them' it is abundantly clear that he was a false prophet. We have seen that it was he who founded the Pauline Church in spite of the true Apostles' opposition. It was he who formulated its doctrines....

"The Christianity which the nations claim to follow is the religion of Paul, who is admittedly the chief and almost the only theologian that the Church recognizes. Because of his betrayal of the Master's teachings, the vision of true Christianity has been so dimmed that men have been able to defend war and a host of other evils, such as flesh eating and slavery, on the authority of the Bible. Had the teachings of the Master come down to us in their true form such misinterpretation would have been unthinkable....

"We may well grieve that Christians have failed to give more heed to the Master's warnings against false prophets...."

Paul's schism -- "Paulianity"-- became numerically larger than the stricter, revolutionary, vegetarian, pro-woman, anti-slavery Essene Christianity. In fact, Paul's church became the Roman Catholic Church; in Chris Bennett's Green Gold the Tree of Life:

"Their systems were cannibalized and absorbed into... the Roman Catholic Church -- the Church of Paul....

"The... Roman Catholic Church (the Paulist Church) erased and reinterpreted much of the information regarding Christ's true gospel."

Also supporting the assertion that Paul's church grew in size and eventually became the Roman Catholic Church is Gene Savoy; in his The Essaei Document, we read:

"Paul's Christianity is another matter. He taught a different kind of theology than that shared by the original disciples, who were schooled under Jesus.... Moreover, James, Peter and the disciples were members of the Essaei community, which Paul most assuredly was not....

"We see, then, that Paul was the father of Pagan Christianity [Roman Catholicism] a movement based on a concept completely foreign to Jesus, James, Peter and the Essaei community....

"It should be remembered that Paul persecuted the Essaei. He was armed with commissions and authority of the chief priests and took great pains to imprison as many as he could find....

"The theology that Paul created is not the religion of the Essaei.... Rome assumed control over it when the Roman emperor embraced Pauline Christianity....

"Palestinian Christianity [Essene Christianity] was displaced by Roman Christianity. The teachings of Jesus the Messiah were overshadowed by the teachings of Paul."

Although Paul's Christianity -- "Paulianity" -- grew to be much larger than Essene Christianity (because it was so 'worldly' and watered-down it was easier for the masses to accept; they could continue to eat meat, own slaves and control wives), Essene Christianity did continue to exist. Up until the fourth century both types of Christianity existed as separate religions: Essene Nazarene Christianity and "Catholic Paulianity". But then, in the fourth century, the Catholic Church -- by then a large state-run religion -- sent their army to exterminate (as heretics!) the Essene Nazarenes. Nearly all the Essene Nazarenes were killed and most of their books (which contain the unadulterated teachings of Jesus) were burned. From that time on, Essene Nazarene Christianity existed only in small numbers as a hidden, underground religion, while Paulianity spread all over the planet.

We have now concluded our examination of the six assertions made by Schonfeld and Larson. We found overwhelming evidence in support of each of the six assertions. Our supporting quotations came from the intellectual cream of humanity; thinkers such as: Thomas Jefferson, Carl Jung, Mahatma Gandhi, Robert Frost, Albert Schweitzer, Ernest Hemingway, Kahil Gilbran, Soren Kierkegaard, Will Durant, Martin Buber, George Bernard Shaw, and a host of others. We learned that Paul at first openly murdered Essene Christians -- even attempted to kill James, the Brother of Jesus -- and then faked a conversion so that he could infiltrate the movement. He then altered the teachings of Jesus and led a schism which evolved into the Roman Catholic Church and gave birth to all mainstream Christian denominations. We learned that Paul upheld slavery and downgraded women. We learned that Paul is responsible for the removal of Jesus' doctrine on vegetarianism from Christianity. We learned that Paul replaced Jesus' doctrine of salvation -- which was based on following his SAVING TEACHINGS -- with the Pauline doctrine of BELIEF IN JESUS' SACRIFICIAL DEATH. In essence, we learned that the religions of Jesus and Paul are as different as light and darkness, and that all of mainstream Christianity is the religion of Paul, not Jesus. (This does not mean that there are no "good" or "true" things in the letters of Paul; neither does it mean that mainstream Christianity is completely void of goodness. If the powers behind Paul had overtly preached only bad, dark things, they could not have convinced millions of souls to give their hearts and minds to Paulianity. No, they are much too sophisticated for that! The words of Paul are a mixture of good and evil, of truth and falsehood, of light and darkness. And so is mainstream Christianity such a mixture. Thus, in 1st Corinthians, sandwiched between Paul's upholding of slavery and downgrading of women, we find a beautiful poem on love [albeit the poem on love was lifted from The Essene Gospel of Peace and Paul recites it as if he wrote it himself!]. No, the powers behind Paul were experts in the field of propaganda and knew how to mix enough truth with their lies to keep people fooled. The speech writers of Hitler did the same. And most of the "good" things done by mainstream Christianity are attributable to the fact that the powers behind Paul were not completely successful in removing the words of Jesus from the New Testament.)

Paul -- and the unseen powers that pulled his strings -- were not entirely successful. They did not succeed in completely eliminating the words of Jesus from the Bible. But it must be admitted that they did accomplish their main objective: to water-down the revolutionary message of Yahshua ha Mashiakh (Jesus the Christ). By removing vegetarianism from the New Testament, the powers behind Paul accomplished three things:

  1. They insured that Christians would be too spiritually sluggish -- the result of meat consumption -- to actually follow the teachings of Jesus;

  2. They (the disembodied negative entities) maintained their ability to enter millions of human bodies for vicarious, perverted fun and games; and,

  3. They maintained the existence of one of their favorite places to "hang- out": THE SLAUGHTER HOUSE!

Yes, the Pauline army won a battle. However, to win a battle is not to win a war. AND JESUS CHRIST DOES NOT LOSE A WAR. Love is not conquered by hate. Light is not defeated by darkness. Jesus is not vanquished by Paul. In fact, the tide of the battle has already turned:

THE ANCIENT MANUSCRIPTS CONTAINING THE UNADULTERATED TEACHINGS OF YAHSHUA HA MASHIAKH HAVE COME TO LIGHT!

Jesus predicted these manuscripts would come to light when the world was ready to receive them; AND THAT TIME HAS COME! We read those words of prophecy in The Essene New Testament:

Jesus said:

"But the time cometh when darkness shall cover the earth, and gross darkness the people, and the enemies of truth and righteousness shall rule in my name, and set up a kingdom of this world and oppress the peoples... putting for my doctrines the opinions of men, and teaching in my name that which I have not taught and darkening much that I have taught by their traditions. But be of good cheer, for the time will also come when the truth they have hidden shall be manifested and the light shall shine, and the darkness shall pass away and the true kingdom shall be established which shall be in the world but not of it, and the word of righteousness and love shall go forth from the Center...."

In another section of the same ancient manuscript, Jesus prophesied:

"There shall arise after you, men of perverse minds who shall through ignorance or through craft, suppress many things which I have spoken unto you, and lay to me things which I never taught.... Woe is the time when the spirit of the world entereth into the Church, and my doctrines and precepts are made void through the corruptions of men and women.... But the time cometh when the things which they have hidden shall be revealed and made known, and the truth shall make free those which were bound"

Jesus also said:

"They shall make alliance with the kings and rulers of the world and seek earthly power, and riches, and domination, and put to death by fire and sword those who seek the truth, and therefore are truly my disciples. And in their days, I, Jesus, shall be crucified afresh and put to open shame, for they will profess to do these things in my name. As I shall be nailed to the cross, so also shall my Church in those days, for she is my Bride and one with me. But the day shall come when this darkness shall pass away, and the true light shall shine.... And my Church shall be filled with Light and give Light unto all nations of the earth...."

The BLESSED DAY of the restoration of the true teachings of Jesus Christ has NOW COME! Truly, this is a time of great blessing, BUT IT IS ALSO A TIME OF CHOOSING. Every Christian must make a choice:

YAHSHUA OR PAUL? ESSENE CHRISTIANITY (the religion of Jesus) or PAULIANITY?

I hereby issue a call to all Christians: REJECT PAULIANITY AND EMBRACE JESUS CHRIST! The first step is to give up eating meat; until then, the unseen powers behind Paul will whisper in your ear. And the flesh-eating Priests and Pastors of Paul will do more than whisper in your ear; they will scream in it! (And thump their Pauline Bibles more than a few times!) But their day is rapidly fading. A new day has dawned. The table of the Lord has been prepared;

WILL YOU COME?
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APPENDIX: A COMPARISON CHART


ESSENE CHRISTIANITY AND THE TEACHINGS OF PAUL

By Rev. Brother Nazariah, D.D.

Topics of ComparisonESSENE
CHRISTIANITY
TEACHINGS
OF PAUL

Women permitted to speak in churchYESNO

Women required to wear head covering as
as sign of submission to their husbands
NOYES

Women required to submit to the authority
of their husbands as if their husbands were
Jesus Christ
NOYES

Women were created for men
Men were not created for women
NOYES

Women and men have equal rightsYESNO

God is both Father and MotherYESNO

God is only Father, not MotherNOYES

Okay to eat meatNOYES

Okay to eat meat that has been
sacrificed to demonic idols
NOYES

Slavery is permittedNOYES

Christians can even own other
Christians as slaves
NOYES

Christians slaves must work extra
hard if their slave master is a Christian
NOYES

Chart Continued on next page.

Topics of ComparisonESSENE
CHRISTIANITY
TEACHINGS
OF PAUL

Salvation is dependent on following
the saving teachings of Jesus
YESNO

Salvation is dependent on belief in the
sacrificial death of Jesus on the Cross
NOYES

Belief in reincarnation in the context
of a cosmic school system
YESNO

Based on this life only, you will either go
to heaven (if you believe in Jesus's sacrificial
death) or will burn in hell for eternity
NOYES

Teachings based on the words of JesusYESNO

Teachings based on the ideas of PaulNOYES

Use a New Testament with many more
words of Paul than Jesus
NOYES


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2009-01-13   18:17:02 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#43)

never said it.

So you are repudiating your claim that Jews (followers of the Torah, Ten Commandments, etc.) worship Satan?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2009-01-13   18:59:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: FormerLurker (#44)

okay, thanks...i'll read it after i do some chores and settle down.

in spite of my better judgment, i just came back to make a quiok note about the essenes, which i found in the mystery babylon catholic or jewish link:

"....Knight and Lomas also inadvertently reveal that an Essene monk will be the False Prophet who rises to power during the Tribulation period. Acclaimed as a “Teacher of Righteousness” and an “Interpreter of the Law,’ this Cabalist will “re-institute the proper worship” in the Temple of Jerusalem:

“Whoever the Teacher of Righteousness was, he must have been a pious, holy man and apparently was a priestly descendant of Zadok, who revealed to his Community that they were living in a time that would be ‘the end of days’ as predicted by the old prophets. Soon, he told them, God would crush His enemies in a final cosmic battle and usher in the new age of righteousness, and as the Community was the last remnant of true Israel—the people of Yahweh's covenant—it would be they who would fight the battle and would return to Jerusalem to purify the Temple and re-institute proper worship.

“...God, however, will save His people by the hands of two messianic figures who will arise at the end of time; one from ‘the Branch of David’ and the other ‘the Interpreter of the Law’.” (Ibid., p. 201-2)

In The White Goddess, Robert Graves associated the Essenes with *** the apostate tribe of Dan, the tribe of Samson, the Nazarite who judged Israel: “I also suggest in King Jesus that the two mysterious Orders of the Essenes, Sampsonians and Helicaeans, **** were adepts in the calendar mysteries and were named after Samson...and the Helix, or cosmic circle.” (p. 150)....."

will need to come back and re-read this too, but tribe of dan!......'nuff said.

remember what you said earlier about some folks trying to make it look like Revelation is being played out.

"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2009-01-13   19:01:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#46)

Paul was the false prophet, and you fell for all of it.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2009-01-13   19:06:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: FormerLurker (#45)

what does a have to do with b? you are twisting my words and making my head spin.

Judaism is the religion of the Pharisees according to the Jewish encyclopedia.

Jesus said the Pharisees were of their father the devil; they did not know the Son thus they did not know the Father.

If they are not worshipping Jesus, and not worshipping God, then who is their god that they worship?

Draw your own conclusions.

"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2009-01-13   19:11:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#48)

Judaism is the religion of the Pharisees according to the Jewish encyclopedia

Jesus said the Pharisees were of their father the devil; they did not know the Son thus they did not know the Father.

Ok, so all of the Old Testament is written by devil worshipers, so we can toss that out. Jesus was the Messiah of devil worshippers, so we can toss him out too.

Since you believe all that to be devil stuff, why do you think it's the word of God? Which God exactly are you referring to?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2009-01-13   19:14:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: FormerLurker (#47)

Paul was not. That distinction might go here:

Simon Peter versus Simon the Sorcerer. History comes alive with the startling story of how Simon Magus -- branded a FALSE PROPHET by the book of Acts -- established HIS OWN UNIVERSAL church! ... www.reformation.org/simon...r_versus_simon_magus.html

I guess I'll have to read this again as well.

"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2009-01-13   19:19:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: FormerLurker (#49)

twisting my words again. the pharisees didn't write the bible...they passed on their oral traditions that Jesus hated because they made the word of God of no effect. their traditions were later written down in the babylonian talmud which takes precedence [for them] over the OT.

Isaiah 65:5

kingjbible.com/isaiah/65.htm

"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2009-01-13   19:26:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#50)

History comes alive with the startling story of how Simon Magus -- branded a FALSE PROPHET by the book of Acts -- established HIS OWN UNIVERSAL church!

Simon Magus WAS Paul "the apostle", self proclaimed apostle that is....

From Peter vs. Simon Magus (alias Paul) in the Pseudo-Clementines (NT Apocrypha 17)

The author of this novel presents a Peter who emphasizes the need to follow the Jewish law and opposes another figure, his “enemy”, who does not (often called Simon the Samaritan or Magician [Magus] but sometimes clearly a cipher for Paul) . In the supposed letter from Peter to James that prefaces the novel, Peter complains that some “from among the Gentiles have rejected my lawful preaching and have preferred a lawless and absurd doctrine of the man who is my enemy. And indeed some have attempted, while I am still alive, to distort my words by interpretations of many sorts, as if I taught the dissolution of the law and, although I was of this opinion, did not express it openly. But that may God forbid! For to do such a thing means to act contrary to the law of God which was made known by Moses and was confirmed by our Lord in its everlasting continuance. For he said: ‘The heaven and earth will pass away, but one jot or one tittle shall not pass away from the law’”(Epistula Petri 2:2-5; trans. by Strecker in Schneemelcher; cf. Matthew 24:35).

Simon Magus

According to radical critic Hermann Detering, Simon Magus may be a cypher for Paul of Tarsus,[14] with Paul originally been detested by the church, and the name changed when Paul was rehabilitated by virtue of forged Epistles correcting the genuine ones. Simon Magus is sometimes described in apocryphal legends in terms that would fit Paul. Furthermore while the Christian Orthodoxy frequently portrayed the major Gnostic leader Marcion as having been a follower of Simon Magus, Marcion nowhere mentions even the existence of Simon, and instead identifies himself as a follower of Paul.[15]

This view is largely based on the previously mentioned Clementine Recognitions and Homilies. It is contended that the common source of these documents may be as early as the 1st century, and must have consisted in a polemic against Paul, emanating from the Jewish side of Christianity. Paul being thus identified with Simon, it was argued that Simon's visit to Rome had no other basis than Paul's presence there, and, further, that the tradition of Peter's residence in Rome rests on the assumed necessity of his resisting the arch-enemy of Judaism there as elsewhere. Thus the idea of Peter at Rome really originated with the Ebionites, but it was afterwards taken up by the Catholic Church, and then Paul was associated with Peter in opposition to Simon, who had originally been himself.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2009-01-13   19:31:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#51)

twisting my words again. the pharisees didn't write the bible...they passed on their oral traditions that Jesus hated

So you're not saying that Judaism is akin to devil worship?

And BTW, how do YOU know what Jesus hated?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2009-01-13   19:32:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: FormerLurker, all (#53) (Edited)

One who always asks questions has no original ideas of their own. It's a cheap debate trick that scores no points. One you've mastered. Try refuting what you think was being said. Then I might be interested in reading it.

What's your point? You've failed to make one in all of the posts you've made to me thus far, nor have you addressed ANY of my questions on the other thread.

You're trolling.

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IndieTX  posted on  2009-01-13   20:04:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: IndieTX, All (#54)

Ok, you want to nip at my ankles on this Indie? This is what I was responding to...


#6. To: FormerLurker (#3)

The Kabbalah is simply unwritten knowledge of the mystical side of the Jewish faith. I've read that Jesus was a Kabbalistic Scholar in fact.

From Kabbalah and Jewish Mysticism

It is important to note that all of these magical effects were achieved through the power of G-d, generally by calling upon the name of G-d. These practices are no more "evil" than the miracles that Christians ascribe to Jesus; in fact, according to some of my mystically-inclined friends, Jesus performed his miracles using kabbalistic techniques. This fits in with historical evidence: many scholars believe Jesus was associated with the Essenes, a sect involved in Jewish mysticism.

I think this is blasphemy, the one unforgiveable sin in fact. Please don't lead people down that path to hell.

Kabbalah is Satanic, is witchcraft

{blah blah blah}

Post 10 [abbreviated]

"Most Jews do not like to admit it, but our god is Lucifer -- -- and we are his chosen people." - The Harold Wallace Rosenthal Interview 1976, The Hidden Tyranny

Post 30 [abbreviated]

had to look it up to be sure....but they are CHABAD LUBAVITCHERS who are antiChrist and antiChristian, the SYNAGOGUE OF SATAN, promoters of the SATANIC NOAHIDE LAWS and want to chop off our heads if we don't fall down and worhsip these Satanic Jews and their Satanic rules!

Now the Government Can Legally Kill Christians Mar 21, 2008 ... The goal of the organization is to enforce the Noahide Laws on every Gentile, making them slaves under the “rule” of the Hasidic Jews, ... www.takebackourrights.org/docs/noahidelaw.html

"....G-d gave Noah and all his descendants (B'nei Noach or "children of Noah") seven commandments to obey. These seven universal laws (known as the "Seven Noahide Laws") were reaffirmed with Moses and the Jewish people at Mt. Sinai in what is now known as the Oral Torah, establishing modern observance of these laws. These seven commandments (mitzvos), actually seven categories of hundreds of specific laws, are G-d's will for all non-Jews.

Non-Jews who (1) reject all idolatrous ideas and accept the kingship of the One G-d, (2) accept the priesthood of the Jewish people as the guardians and teachers of Torah, and (3) commit to following the Seven Noahide Laws as revealed in the Oral Torah from Mt. Sinai are "Hasidic Gentiles" or "Noahides." The term "Hasidic Gentile" is derived from a classic commentary by the Rambam, Rav Moshe ben Maimon (Maimonides), in The Laws of Kings 8:11:

"Anyone who accepts upon himself the fulfillment of these Seven Mitzvos [commandments] and is precise in their observance is considered one of the hasidei umos ha'olam ["Hasidim of the nations of the world"] and will merit a share in the World to Come."......"

Post 31 [abbreviated]

Rev 2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and [I know] the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but [are] the synagogue of Satan.

Rev 3:9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

So it started with a reference to the mystical side of the Jewish faith, and progressed with being told not only is THAT satanic, but Judaism is itself satanic, and that Jews worship Lucifer.

Go ahead Indie, give it your best shot and back up those allegations. And don't toss Bible quotes at me, as the Bible is the writing of men, so it doesn't carry any more weight than does what you, I, or anyone else writes other than the fact there are historical perspectives to it that do agree with historical fact in some but not all cases.

Tell me how the Jews worship Lucifer Indie. And remember, Jesus was a Jew. And since your friend considers the Jewish scripture to be satanic, then you can toss out your Old Testament anyways, since that IS Jewish scripture.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2009-01-13   21:34:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: IndieTX (#54)

What's your point? You've failed to make one in all of the posts you've made to me thus far, nor have you addressed ANY of my questions on the other thread.

You're trolling.

My point is that neither your friend nor you know everything there is to know, and to make up shit or go to highly dubious articles such as "Jews worship Lucifer" as some sort of "proof" indicates where your head's at.

I thought higher of you.

As far as your questions on the other thread, WHAT questions? I already told you what I thought there from what I recall. Remember, I'm not here each second of the day or evening, so if you recently posted something I might not have seen it yet.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2009-01-13   21:38:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: IndieTX (#54)

And BTW dimwit, to further respond to your bullshit on the other thread (that I just saw), THIS entire discussion was in terms of ESSENES who are the Jewish sect that lived in NAZARETH at the time Jesus lived there, and there is MUCH reading that could be done in terms of that if one cares at all about what the TRUTH of the matter might be.

If you prefer to believe what you've been told, good for you, but don't butt into my discussions here trying to stifle my comments because you haven't bothered yourself with reading the thread.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2009-01-13   22:00:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: IndieTX (#54)

One who always asks questions has no original ideas of their own.

blah blah blah

nor have you addressed ANY of my questions on the other thread

Oh the irony.

One last thing.

The topic here was JUDAISM in terms of the true religion, as well as that largely unknown sect which Jesus more than likely belonged to, the Essenes, NOT that which has become ZIONISM. There is much that happened thousands of years ago that most people don't know and either don't WANT to know or don't ALLOW themselves to find out.

That you chose to ignore the salient points and info I presented and found it necessary to attack me (albeit on a different thread) tells me a bit about you.

Oh well, I tried.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2009-01-13   23:10:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#30) (Edited)

I've done a bit of research on some of what you posted, and do concede that there are those who take the Old Testament a bit too far and feel that they are commanded to exterminate the people of Amalek, whom historically were a foe of the Israelis.

In fact, they encourage Jews and Gentiles to fill their hearts with the most hate they can muster against the men, women, and children of Amalek, and to exterminate them all.

They have extended that over time to include Hitler, Communism, and secret societies such as the Illuminatti.

It is my guess, and one that appears well founded upon further research, that the reason the Palestinians are being slaughtered are that many Jews now see the Palestinians as the children of Amalek.

So you are partially right, and perhaps I should have been a bit more civil in my dialogue with you.

This is what religions zealotry brings to the world, however.

These concepts of eternal war and revenge are totally opposite the true teachings of Jesus, and from I've been able to find in the way of Essene references, is totally against what the Essenes believed in, as they were not a warlike sect, they did not hate, and were against killing of any kind, whether it be man or beast.

The source of the animosity towards the people of Amalek comes from the Old Testament itself;

Deuteronomy 25:17-19 (King James Version)

17 Remember what Amalek did unto thee by the way, when ye were come forth out of Egypt;

18 How he met thee by the way, and smote the hindmost of thee, even all that were feeble behind thee, when thou wast faint and weary; and he feared not God.

19 Therefore it shall be, when the LORD thy God hath given thee rest from all thine enemies round about, in the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee for an inheritance to possess it, that thou shalt blot out the remembrance of Amalek from under heaven; thou shalt not forget it.

The Jews (or at least some of them) have apparently taken this to mean the following;

From Overview of Theocratic Law

To exterminate every last member of the ancient nation of Amalek, including its men, women, and children, and to destroy all of its animals and other possessions — in other words, to erase its very existence from the face of the earth.

Now exactly WHY they've chosen the passage in Deuteronomy as their license to kill is a mystery to me, but that IS what gives them their own self-righteous moral authority to do what they have been doing it appears.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2009-01-15   1:52:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt, All (#59) (Edited)

Now exactly WHY they've chosen the passage in Deuteronomy as their license to kill is a mystery to me, but that IS what gives them their own self-righteous moral authority to do what they have been doing it appears.

Well it appears the invocation to genocide is found in the Book of Samuel;

1 Samuel 15

15:3 Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.

Now do you see why I have a bit of a problem with the literal interpretation of the Bible? Do you not see how much blood has been shed over millenia due to fanatical belief in the literal interpretation?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2009-01-15   2:16:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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