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Published: Jan 13, 2009
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Post Date: 2009-01-13 20:30:56 by Itisa1mosttoolate
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#1. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#0)
Revelation 2:9 "I know your afflictions and your poverty—yet you are rich! I know the slander of those who say they are Jews and are not, but are a synagogue of Satan."
Revelation 3:9 "I will make those who are of the synagogue of Satan, who claim to be Jews though they are not, but are liars—I will make them come and fall down at your feet and acknowledge that I have loved you."

Freedomsnotfree posted on 2009-01-13 21:23:25 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#0)

TwentyTwelve posted on 2009-01-13 21:59:22 ET (1 image) Reply Trace Private Reply
#3. To: Freedomsnotfree (#1)
Revelation 2:9 "I know your afflictions and your poverty—yet you are rich! I know the slander of those who say they are Jews and are not, but are a synagogue of Satan."
Revelation 3:9 "I will make those who are of the synagogue of Satan, who claim to be Jews though they are not, but are liars—I will make them come and fall down at your feet and acknowledge that I have loved you."

I do agree that many who call themselves Jews ARE guided by demonic forces, but don't allow yourself to believe that ALL Jews are so guided.
Jews against Zionism
Orthodox Jews United Against Zionism
Jews against Zionism

Please note: The above images are of Ultra- Orthodox Jews whom some have accused of being zionists, satan worshippers, or worse.
Remember, "By their fruits ye shall know them"...
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-01-13 22:20:53 ET (3 images) Reply Trace Private Reply
#4. To: TwentyTwelve (#2)
Gas chambers?

My guess would be VX nerve gas paid for & supplied by the good ol' U.S. of A-holes.
Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)
Esso posted on 2009-01-13 22:21:53 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#5. To: Esso (#4)
Gas chambers?
My guess would be VX nerve gas paid for & supplied by the good ol' U.S. of A-holes.

TwentyTwelve posted on 2009-01-13 22:26:34 ET (1 image) Reply Trace Private Reply
#6. To: FormerLurker (#3)
crescentandcross.wordpres...6/10/26/the-men-in-black/
"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm
AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt posted on 2009-01-14 9:29:09 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#7. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#6) (Edited)
crescentandcross.wordpres...6/10/26/the-men-in-black/

It must really piss you off that these Jews hate Zionists and despise Israel, doesn't it. Even though these people fervently protest and denounce Zionism, and are more actively involved in bringing down Zionism than anything YOU have personally done I would dare say, you STILL despise them because they are Jews.
You sir ARE an anti-semite in terms of hating them for their religion, no matter what the FRUITS of their works are.
In the article you linked, the author makes a point of stating how he adhores them BECAUSE of a book that is part of their religious tradition, as if THEY are personally responsible for writing it, as if THEY personally endorse it, yet he hasn't even spoken to any of them in a frank one on one converstation to find out what they DO personally think about it.
They advanced a fig leaf to him in allowing him to speak at one of their events, yet he gets on stage and denounces their religion.
I wonder how YOU would feel if you invited someone to a conference and that person came on stage and denounced YOUR religion. Would you applaud, thank him, and give him a pat on the back?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-01-14 13:43:22 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#8. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#6)
From your link;

I could see by their features that the gene pool from which they had been ladled was very small, very exclusive and violently against any new dogs joining the pack. They were part of an artificially-created/genetically modified species made up of kissing cousins who were all related to each other in a manner that was way too close and which was probably–biologically speaking– not safe. I could see in their own features the characteristics that have been made famous by their well-known brothers and sisters throughout the history of the bloodiest 100 years of mankind’s existence, the ‘Jewish Century’ as it was put by the writer Yuri Slezkine–the Trotskys, Dershowitzes, Sharons, Feinsteins, Greenspans, and Sandlers. Each of the ‘good Rabbis’ had that well- known effeminate whine in each of their voices that is always one half-step short of a whimper of complaint.
It did not matter how many acting classes they might have taken, there are just some roles that a person cannot play, and despite their best efforts at pretending to be excited about meeting me and pretending to view me as an equal, I could see otherwise. Each held out a dead fish of a hand to shake, and when I extended mine, they each took turns in grasping only the tips of two of my fingers and then letting go ASAP, as if they wanted their contact with an inferior physical being to be as limited as possible. I did not notice if they wiped their hands on their clothing afterwards, although after the initial introduction I went and washed mine.

Out of curiousity, are you a member of the KKK or do you just hang out on places like Vanguard in order to hang out with like minds?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-01-14 14:04:10 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#9. To: FormerLurker (#7)
In the first place they are not Semites. So to be against them is not to be anti-Semitic.
In the article you linked, the author makes a point of stating how he adhores them BECAUSE of a book that is part of their religious tradition, as if THEY are personally responsible for writing it, as if THEY personally endorse it, yet he hasn't even spoken to any of them in a frank one on one converstation to find out what they DO personally think about it.
How's your reading comprehension today? Any better?
Glenn tried to talk to them....they wiggled, they evaded.....they declined. It was only after the rabbi was put on the spot and had to try to defend that piece of filth, that he DID get up and TRY TO DEFEND THE BOOK, and lied, calling it a book of "peace and love".
It is permissible under their "holy" book to do that:

Baba Kamma 113a. Jews may use lies ("subterfuges") to circumvent a Gentile.

Their "book", that they GOT UP TO TRY TO DEFEND, is vile, evil, anti-Christ, anti-Christian, anti- anyone not Jewish, murderous, Jewish supremacist hate literature in the words of Michael Hoffman, an Ashkenazi Jew whom I think the world of. However, YOU, who hates the Bible, and anyone who would adhere to the word of God, but would slobber the bare leg of someone promoting, or at least protecting such filth would probably not be able to comprehend that, no matter how hard or long I tried, but I will, one more time.
The Talmud teaches that only THEY are the "chosen ones", and that they will rule the world, by lies, by deceipt, by theft, by murder, by whatever it takes.....the ends justifies the means. The Naturei Karta are out there [and I do believe they have helped us, because they HAVE exposed a lot of the treachery of their brethren], because they think their brethren have overplayed their hand, awakening the sleeping masses, and will blow the whole thing they have ALL worked stealthily for for over 3,000 years.
So if you are at all interested in educating yourself in the "book" that is behind the theft, torture, murder, and mayhem in Palestine and the rest of the world, that your rabbis would not denounce, avail yourself of these for starters.
THE TRUTH ABOUT THE TALMUD, JUDAISM'S HOLIEST BOOK
EXCERPTS:
"Genocide Advocated by the Talmud
Minor Tractates. Soferim 15, Rule 10. This is the saying of Rabbi Simon ben Yohai: Tob shebe goyyim harog ("Even the best of the gentiles should all be killed")........
Talmudic Doctrine: Non-Jews are not Human
The Talmud specifically defines all who are not Jews as non-human animals, and specifically dehumanizes Gentiles as not being descendants of Adam. Here are some of the Talmud passages which relate to this topic.
Kerithoth 6b: Uses of Oil of Anointing. "Our Rabbis have taught: He who pours the oil of anointing over cattle or vessels is not guilty; if over gentiles (goyim) or the dead, he is not guilty. The law relating to cattle and vessels is right, for it is written: "Upon the flesh of man (Adam), shall it not be poured (Exodus 30:32]); and cattle and vessels are not man (Adam).
"Also with regard to the dead, [it is plausible] that he is exempt, since after death one is called corpse and not a man (Adam). But why is one exempt in the case of gentiles (goyim); are they not in the category of man (Adam)? No, it is written: 'And ye my sheep, the sheep of my pasture, are man" (Adam); [Ezekiel 34:31]: Ye are called man (Adam) but gentiles (goyim) are not called man (Adam)."
In the preceding passage, the rabbis are discussing the portion of the Mosaic law which forbids applying the holy oil to men.
The Talmud states that it is not a sin to apply the holy oil to Gentiles, because Gentiles are not human beings (i.e. are not of Adam).
Another example from tractate Yebamoth 61a: "It was taught: And so did R. Simeon ben Yohai state (61a) that the graves of gentiles (goyim) do not impart levitical uncleanness by an ohel [standing or bending over a grave], for it is said, 'And ye my sheep the sheep of my pasture, are men (Adam), [Ezekiel 34:31]; you are called men (Adam) but the idolaters are not called men (Adam)."
The Old Testament Mosaic law states that touching a human corpse or the grave of a human imparts uncleanness to those who touch it. But the Talmud teaches that if a Jew touches the grave of a Gentile, the Jew is not rendered unclean, since Gentiles are not human (not of Adam).
From Baba Mezia 114b: ""A Jewish priest was standing in a graveyard. When asked why he was standing there in apparent violation of the Mosaic law, he replied that it was permissible, since the law only prohibits Jews from coming into contact with the graves of humans (Adamites), and he was standing in a gentile graveyard. For it has been taught by Rabbi Simon ben Yohai: 'The graves of gentiles [goyim] do not defile. For it is written, 'And ye my flock, the flock of my pastures, are men (Adam)' (Ezekiel 34:31); only ye are designated men (Adam)."
Ezekiel 34:31 is the alleged Biblical proof text repeatedly cited in the preceding three Talmud passages. But Ezekiel 34:31 does not in fact support the Talmudic notion that only Israelites are human. What these rabbinical, anti-Gentile racists and ideologues have done in asserting the preceding absurdities about Gentiles is distort an Old Testament passage in order to justify their bigotry.
In Berakoth 58a the Talmud uses Ezekiel 23:20 as proof of the sub-human status of gentiles. It also teaches that anyone (even a Jewish man) who reveals this Talmudic teaching about non-Jews deserves death, since revealing it makes Gentiles wrathful and causes the repression of Judaism.
The Talmudic citation of this scripture from Ezekiel as a "proof-text" is specious, since the passage does not prove that Gentiles are animals. The passage from Ezekiel only says that some Egyptians had large genital organs and copious emissions. This does not in any way prove or even connote that the Egyptians being referred to in the Bible were considered animals. Once again, the Talmud has falsified the Bible by means of distorted interpretation.
Other Talmud passages which expound on Ezekiel 23:20 in this racist fashion are: Arakin 19b, Berakoth 25b, Niddah 45a, Shabbath 150a, Yebamoth 98a. Moreover, the original text of Sanhedrin 37a applies God's approval only to the saving of Jewish lives (cf. the Hesronot Ha-shas, Cracow, 1894)......"
Jewish Deception and Dissimulation
The response of the orthodox rabbis to documentation regarding the racism and hatred in their sacred texts is simply to brazenly lie, in keeping with the Talmud's Baba Kamma 113a which states that Jews may use lies ("subterfuge") to circumvent a Gentile.
The Simon Wiesenthal Center, a multi-million dollar rabbinical propaganda center dispatched Rabbi Daniel Landes in 1995 to deny that the Talmud dehumanizes non-Jews. "This is utter rot," he said. His proof? Why, his word, of course.
Lying to "circumvent a Gentile" has a long patrimony in Judaism. Take for example the 13th century Talmud debate in Paris between Nicholas of Donin, a Jewish convert to Christianity, whom Hyam Maccoby admits had "a good knowledge of the Talmud" ( "The Jews on Trial," p. 26) and Rabbi Yehiel. Yehiel was not under threat of death, bodily injury, imprisonment or fine. Yet he brazenly lied during the course of the debate.
When asked by Donin whether there were attacks on Jesus in the Talmud, Yehiel denied that there were any. Donin, a Hebrew and Aramaic scholar, knew this to be false. Hyam Maccoby, a 20th century Jewish commentator on the debate, defends Rabbi Yehiel's lying in this way:
"The question may be asked, however, whether Yehiel really believed that Jesus was not mentioned in the Talmud, or whether he put this forward as an ingenious ploy in the desperate situation in which he found himself...It would certainly have been pardonable of the rabbi to attempt some condonation in which he did not fully believe, to prevent such tyrannical proceedings by one religious culture against another." ( Maccoby, "The Jews on Trial," p. 28).
This is how Jewish denial of the existence of hateful Talmud texts is justified to this day. A fanciful word for Jewish lying is conjured ("condonation") and deemed "pardonable," while any scrutiny of Jewish holy books by Christian investigators is characterized as a "tyrannical proceeding."
In 1994, Rabbi Tzvi Marx, director of Applied Education at the Shalom Hartman Institute in Jerusalem, made a remarkable admission concerning how Jewish rabbis in the past have issued two sets of texts: the authentic Talmudic texts with which they instruct their own youth in the Talmud schools (yeshiviot) and "censured and amended" versions which they disseminate to gullible non-Jews for public consumption.
Rabbi Marx states that in the version of Maimonides' teachings published for public consumption, Maimonides is made to say that whoever kills a human being transgresses the law.
But, Rabbi Marx points out "...this only reflects the censured and amended printed text, whereas the original manuscripts have it only as 'whoever kills an Israelite."(Tikkun: A Bi-Monthly Jewish Critique May-June, 1994).
The Jewish book, Hesronot Ha-shas ("that which is removed from the Talmud"), is important in this regard. (Cf. William Popper, The Censorship of Hebrew Books p. 59).
Hesronot Ha-shas was reprinted in 1989 by Sinai Publishing of Tel-Aviv. Hesronot Ha-shas is valuable because it lists both the original Talmud texts that were later changed or omitted, and the falsified texts cited for Gentile consumption as authentic.
Historian William Popper states: "It was not always that long passages...were censored...but often single words alone were omitted...Often, in these cases, another method of correction was used in place of omission--substitution." (Cf. William Popper, The Censorship of Hebrew Books pp. 58-59).
For example, the translators of the English Soncino version of the Talmud sometimes render the Hebrew word goyim (Gentiles) under any number of disguise words such as "heathen, Cuthean, Kushite, Egyptian, idolater" etc. But these are actually references to Gentiles (all non-Jews). Footnotes for certain passages in the Soncino Talmud translation state: "Cuthean (Samaritan) was here substituted for the original goy..."
The heirs of the Pharisees often deny the existence of the Talmud passages here cited, in order to brazenly claim that such passages are the "fabrications of anti-Semites."
In 1994, the 80 year old Lady Jane Birdwood was arrested and prosecuted in a criminal court in London, England for the "crime" of publishing in her pamphlet, The Longest Hatred, the truthful statement that the Talmud contains anti-Gentile and anti-Christian passages. (She was accused of violating the Public Order Act of 1986).
In the course of her Orwellian thought-crime trial, which was ignored by the U.S. media, a rabbi was called as a prosecution witness. The rabbi proceeded to flatly deny that the Talmud contained anti-Gentile or anti-Christian passages and on the basis of the rabbi's "prestige," this elderly and ailing woman was sentenced to three months in jail and fined the equivalent of $1,000.
"Judeo-Christian" Response to the Talmud
Neither the modern popes or the modern heads of Protestantism, have ever insisted that the rabbis of Judaism repudiate or condemn the racism in the Talmud or the murderous hate for Christians and gentiles expressed within it. On the contrary, the heads of Churchianity have urged the followers of Christ to obey, honor and support the followers of the Talmud. Therefore, it should be obvious that these Catholic and Protestant leaders are the worst betrayers of Jesus Christ on earth today. (Cf. Matthew 23:13-15; I Thess. 2:14-16; Titus 1:14; Luke 3:8-9; Rev. 3:9).
Non-Jews are "Supernal Refuse"
Moreover, not only Christians but non-Christians of all races are regarded as "supernal refuse" (garbage) by Talmud teachers such as the founder of Habad-Lubavitch, Rabbi Shneur Zalman.
This was analyzed in the Jewish magazine, New Republic: "...there are some powerful ironies in Habad's new messianic universalism, in its mission to the gentiles; and surely the most unpleasant of them concerns Habad's otherwise undisguised and even racial contempt for the goyim.
"...medieval Jewish theologians--most notably the poet and philosopher Judah Ha-Levi in twelfth-century Spain and the mystic Judah Loewe in sixteenth-century Prague--sought to define the Jewish distinction racially rather than spiritually...this...view, according to which there is something innately superior about the Jews, was rehabilitated in its most extreme form by Shneur Zalman of Lyady. The founder of Lubavitcher Hasidism taught that there is a difference of essence between the souls of Jews and the souls of gentiles, that only in the Jewish soul does there reside a spark of divine vitality.
"As for the goyim...Zalman's attitude (was): 'Gentile souls are of a completely different and inferior order. They are totally evil, with no redeeming qualities whatsoever.'
"Consequently, references to gentiles in Rabbi Shneur Zalman's teachings are invariably invidious. Their (non-Jews) material abundance derives from supernal refuse. Indeed, they themselves derive from refuse, which is why they are more numerous than the Jews, as the pieces of chaff outnumber the kernels...All Jews were innately good, all gentiles innately evil.
"...Moreover, this characterization of gentiles as being inherently evil, as being spiritually as well as biologically inferior to Jews, has not in any way been revised in later Habad writing." --The New Republic, May 4, 1992. Also cf. Roman A. Foxbrunner, Habad: The Hasidism of Shneur Zalman of Lyady (Northvale, New Jersey, Jason Aronson, Inc., 1993) pp. 108-109.
U.S. Government Lays Groundwork for Talmudic Courts
"Our" government under Presidents Reagan, Bush and Clinton, has provided, under the euphemism of education (for example, House Joint Resolution 173 and Public Law 102-14), a groundwork for the establishment of Talmudic "courts of justice" to be administered by disciples of Shneur Zalman's Chabad successor, Rabbi Menachem Mendel Schneerson.
Maimonides ruled that it is a Jewish court -- or a court appointed by Jewish authority --that enforces obedience and passes judgment on Gentiles, as well as promulgating legislation by court order for that purpose. Maimonides further decreed that any non-Jewish nation "not subject to our jurisdiction" (tahaht yadeinu) will be the target of Jewish holy war. (Cf. Hilkhot Melakhim 8:9-10; 10:11. Also cf. Gerald J. Blidstein, "Holy War in Maimonidean Law," in Perspectives on Maimonides [Oxford, England: Oxford Univ. Press, 1991].
These courts are to be convened allegedly under the "Noahide Laws" (proscriptions against idolatry supposedly based on the covenant with Noah). The U.S. presidents and Congress urged the adoption of the "Noahide" Laws as interpreted by Chabad-Lubavitch Grand Rabbi Schneerson.
Prof. Easterly of the Southern University Law Center, a Jewish legal expert, has compared this Public law 102-14 to the "first rays of dawn" which "evidence the rising of a still unseen sun." [enter Obama]
The Jewish Encyclopedia envisages a Noahide regime as a possible world order immediately preceding the universal reign of the Talmud.
It has to be understood that we are not dealing with the Noah of the Bible when the religion of Judaism refers to "Noahide law," but the Noahide law as understood and interpreted by the absolute system of falsification that constitutes the Talmud.
Under the Talmud's counterfeit Noahide Laws, the worship of Jesus is forbidden under penalty of death, since such worship of Christ is condemned by Judaism as idolatry. Meanwhile various forms of incest are permitted under the Talmudic understanding of the Noahide code. (Enziklopediya Talmudit, note 1, pp. 351-352).
Furthermore, all non-Jews would have the legal status of ger toshav ("resident alien," cf. Alan Unterman, Dictionary of Jewish Lore and Legend [London: Thames and Hudson, 1991], p. 148), even in their own land; **** as for example in occupied Palestine where newly arrived Khazars from Russia have an automatic right to housing and citizenship, while two million Palestinian refugees who either fled or were expelled by the Israelis, are forbidden the right of return.
Resident alien status has been clearly delineated in scholarly articles in leading Jewish publications. For example, Hebrew University Professor Mordechai Nisan, basing his exposition on Maimonides, stated that a non-Jew permitted to reside in a land ruled by Jewish law "must accept paying a tax and suffering the humiliation of servitude."
If Gentiles refuse to live a life of inferiority, then this signals their rebellion and the unavoidable necessity of Jewish warfare against their very presence. [Cf. Mordechai Nisan, Kivunim (official publication of the World Zionist Organization), August, 1984, pp. 151-156].
At a symposium ("Is Autonomy for Resident Aliens Feasible?") organized by Israeli Minister of Education Shulamit Aloni, the Israeli Chief Rabbi Shlomo Goren repeated the Talmudic teaching on resident aliens: that Judaism forbids "granting any national rights" to them. He ruled that such "Autonomy is tantamount to a denial of the Jewish religion." (Nadav Shraggai, Ha'aretz, Oct. 14, 1992).
American taxpayers' subsidy of the so-called "U.S. Holocaust Museum" in Washington, D.C., is yet another indicator of the gradual establishment of a Jewish state religion in the U.S. This "Holocaust museum" excludes any reference to holocausts perpetrated by Jewish Communists against Christians in Russia and Eastern Europe, from 1917 onward.
The focus of the museum is almost entirely on Jewish suffering. Holocausts perpetrated by Israelis against Arabs in Lebanon and Palestine since 1948 are nowhere to be found in the exhibits of the U.S. "Holocaust Museum," which functions more like a synagogue than a repository of objective historical information.
It is through the rapid emergence of this ostensibly secular but all-pervasive "Holocaustianity" -- whereby the religion of Judaism is gaining enormous power and influence as mankind's supreme ethos and the creed of God's Holy People.
Jewish Law Requires Christians be Executed
Israeli "Torah scholars" have ruled that:
"The Torah maintains that the righteous of all nations have a place in the World to Come. But not all religious Gentiles earn eternal life by virtue of observing their religion...And while the Christians do generally accept the Hebrew Bible as truly from God, many of them (those who accept the so-called divinity of Jesus) are idolaters according to the Torah, punishable by death, and certainly will not enjoy the World to Come."
--Israeli Mechon-Mamre website, June 26, 2000; 12 Hayyim Vital St., Jerusalem, Occupied Palestine. ("Mechon Mamre is a small group of Torah scholars in Israel...").
[Note: we have printed and preserved in our files a hard copy of this statement from the Israeli "Mechon-Mamre Torah Scholars," as it appeared on their website at http://www.mechon-mamre.org/jewfaq/gentiles.htm on June 26, 2000, in the event that denials are later issued and the statement itself suppressed]......."

http://www.revisionisthistory.org/talmudtruth.html
***** By the way, the anti-Defamation League has just introduced the "Hate Crimes" bill into Congress again [ADL'S NEW 'TROJAN HORSE' HATE BILL www.truthtellers.org/alerts/adltrojanhatebill.htm ], that would make Christians criminals. The US State Department has declared the New Testament anti-Semitic. The Supreme Court has just totally trashed the 4th Amendment. The Jews can now break your door down on a false warrant, find a Bible, [or "patriot" material, for that matter], and once the hate laws are signed, have you brought before their Talmudic judges and sentenced to death by decapitation. Rumor has it that there are over 100 guillotines in this country. And you wonder why I don't buy the bullshit by omission of the Naturei Karta? Everything is in place for them to carry out their genocidal plans in America. Where are the Naturei Karta on THAT???
Who Was Jesus?
http://www.noahide.com/yeshu.htm
Campaign to Abolish Christmas [i.e., Christians by beheading]
http://www.noahide.com/infiltration/xmas.htm
The book that they declined to discuss before the seminar, has the seeds for their plan for world conquest, and don't forget that the sages take precedence over the word of God.

Maimonades: all countries not under our jurisdiction, are to be the target of Jewish holy war.
"....The plan for world conquest
The background of the Habad Hasidic plan having been outlined above, we are now ready for the gist — the world conquest part.
It will help in understanding the following excerpt to be reminded that: Moshiach is the Messiah; Amalek is a hidden nation that for thirty-three continuous centuries has conspired to rid the world of Jewish influence and of Jews, and that is so thoroughly evil that it is beyond redemption and must be destroyed; and a legal code which conforms to halacha is one that conforms to Talmudic writing on legal matters. The appearance of "be" below — which I have written in red — where we would expect "the" was in the original.
The Final War for Jerusalem
Why Permanent Israeli Victory Is Now Within Reach
[...]
Judaism has always been a conquering religion, not for the purpose of converting gentiles to become Jews, but rather with the mission of returning the world to the universal covenant between G-d and Noah. For halachic reasons too numerous and detailed to list here, gentiles today who follow Christianity, Islam, or other religions are not, for the most part, "righteous gentiles" who inherit the World to Come. [i.e., the world after they "seize the reins of government"]
That status belongs only to those gentiles who carefully observe the Seven Laws of Noah, including following the halachic authority of the oral Torah and the rabbis.
(For those who find the concept confusing, we hasten to point out that this is not part of a conversion to Judaism, nor even a step in the process. The Children of Noah have their own, independent role to play in assisting the Jewish people and refining the world. Those individuals who wish to convert may do so, but there is no such requirement. In the Messianic era, these righteous gentiles will worship in the Jerusalem Temple and celebrate certain Torah holidays, but will maintain a separate court system and not intermarry with Jews. Today, such Noachides also assist in bringing non-observant Jews back to Torah, among other functions.)
During the time of the first Temple, the dream of eventually refining and transforming the gentiles was reflected in the presence of ten menorahs in the Temple sanctuary — for a total of seventy lights — representing the elevation of the seventy gentile nations. But when the Temple was destroyed, the Jews had to influence the gentiles in a more quiet, gradual manner. Although causing the gentiles to observe the Seven Noachide Laws is itself one of the 613 mitzvos of the Torah, the exile at times sank to such depths of harshness and oppression that Jews simply could not fulfill this mitzvah for fear of death. In such times, Judaism was forced to adapt itself to mere survival; conquest was simply out of the question.
That situation has completely reversed itself today. The very fact that Amalek can stir up such chaos in the world is proof that gentile society no longer presents true opposition to Jewish teachings. One now sees anti-Semitism only where Amalek is provoking trouble, which is precisely where gentiles are the most desperate for guidance. As Christianity spirals downward into strife and theological confusion, it becomes a vacuum unable to defend itself against either the lies of Amalek or the truth of Torah. Amalek can exploit the worldwide collapse of Christianity only by default — that is, only when the Jewish people do not seize the unprecedented opportunity.
And as the Lubavitcher Rebbe has explained, by transforming the gentiles we can quickly create a vast army of supporters who will help us reveal Moshiach and bring all Jews back to the Torah. Specifically, the Rebbe has emphasized that the "peace process" in Israel will be defeated only through our influence on the gentiles — especially through the campaign to teach the Noachide Laws (see Sichos in English, vol. 16, [19 Kislev 5743]).
Our most pressing task, to put it simply, is to launch an international Noachide revolution without delay. The process has already begun, with dozens of tiny Noachide communities having appeared throughout the United States, generally composed of former Christians who have abandoned that religion. The task of organizing be revolution can be divided into two broad stages:
1) We must first create a new Noachide society as an international network of communities and organizations functioning inside, but separately from, the surrounding society (based on halachic requirements and directives, Noachide institutions function quite differently from their Christian and secular counterparts).
This starts with an aggressive outreach program, by Jews and Noachides alike, to teach gentiles about their responsibilities according to Torah.
Simultaneously, we must organize functioning programs and institutions that are prepared to absorb these vast numbers of ex-Christians and immediately involve them in efforts to bring Moshiach. The Noachide communities require schools for their children, modeled after the Jewish yeshiva programs; Torah study groups geared for their specific needs; coordinated celebrations of appropriate Torah holidays; family services for marriage, support for the elderly, and burial; courts of justice, led by rabbinically trained righteous judges, which will function similarly to Jewish batei dinim; and tzedaka programs to assist the needy, to build new Noachide schools, and to support Jewish settlements in Israel and synagogues throughout the diaspora.
2) In the second stage, the growing Noachide movement will seize political power — using only peaceful, lawful means — in the capitals of the Western nations. This, of course, will not take place until the Noachide society has grown to some threshold size. We do not know how large this needs to be nor which nations will join the revolution first, although the United States, as a fairly religious, conservative nation, certainly tops the list of prospects.
Upon seizing the reins of government, the new Noachide leaders will move quickly to implement a full agenda of reform. All economic and technological aid to the Communist Bloc, including the PLO, will be terminated immediately. Full support will be given to Israeli forces to reinvade PLO-controlled areas, with military assistance offered where necessary. Jewish courts (the batei dinim of the rabbis) will be granted full legal sovereignty over Jewish citizens within each country, who will no longer be subject to the authority of gentile courts. The pre-existing Noachide judges and courts will replace the existing court system of each country, and the legal code will be drastically rewritten to conform to halacha; in the United States, the emphasis will be on restoring the authority of the Constitution and abolishing all unconstitutional government programs and agencies. The national debt will be foreclosed, probably by paying off creditors with government land holdings, thus averting economic disaster. And law and order will be fully restored through the establishment of internal security measures, again in accordance with Torah law.
Almost as soon as aid to the Communist Bloc stops, the international Communist revolution will plunge headlong into crisis. The captive peoples, seeing their liberation at hand, will genuinely rise up to throw their brutal dictators out of power, and the armies of Gog and Magog — ranging from the Soviet Communists to the PLO — will self-destruct before the eyes of the entire world.
Naturally, Amalek's agents will scream hysterically to intimidate Jews from carrying out the above campaign, hoping to delay this victory. They have no power, however, to prevent our successful action; they can only try to create doubts and hesitation.
As the world plunges headlong toward the imminent revelation of Moshiach while the last walls of the exile disintegrate, the number of confused gentiles ready to change is rising exponentially. If the Jewish people immediately begin preparing adequate structures for the Noachide movement, this tide will be channeled directly into a glorious revelation of Truth. But if we allow ourselves to be caught unprepared, this same overwhelming force for social change can, G-d forbid, be diverted to empower Amalek's final assault on holiness. It is not a matter of whether gentile society will explode in the face of the growing crisis; this event is an inevitable, and fast-approaching, reality. We do not want to miss this incredible opportunity to provide light in the final moments of darkness.
The world has reached its ultimate point of decision, and the power to succeed belongs entirely to the Jewish people. We can wait until Moshiach comes on his own, following a world war, or we can bring him through our own actions, as the Lubavitcher Rebbe has stated is our mission. The choice is ours.
There is not a minute to waste. Jews everywhere, unite!
Copyright © 1998 by the Committee for Israeli Victory
http://www.noahide.com/finalwar.htm ...."

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it has been taught by Rabbi Simon ben Yohai: 'The graves of gentiles [goyim] do not defile. For it is written, 'And ye my flock, the flock of my pastures, are men (Adam)' (Ezekiel 34:31); only ye are designated men (Adam)."
Ezekiel 34:31 is the alleged Biblical proof text repeatedly cited in the preceding three Talmud passages. But Ezekiel 34:31 does not in fact support the Talmudic notion that only Israelites are human. What these rabbinical, anti-Gentile racists and ideologues have done in asserting the preceding absurdities about Gentiles is distort an Old Testament passage in order to justify their bigotry.
AND BY THE WAY......
Ezekiel 34 refers to the Lost Sheep of the House of Israel.....to which Jesus [who IS GOD, Isaiah 9:6] said: I am not sent but unto the Lost Sheep of the House of Israel....and in John 10, the mate to Ezekiel 34, He says : My Sheep hear my voice and follow me.....but to the Pharisees He said....You do not believe me, because YOU ARE NOT MY SHEEP, AS I SAID UNTO YOU. Therefore, using their definition, only CHRISTIANS would be men, and they would be the animals.
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Another excerpt regarding your beloved Hadidic Jews:
"....My final, more general example is, if possible, even more shocking than the others. It concerns the attitude of the Hassidic movement toward non-Jews. Hassidism — a continuation (and debasement!) of Jewish mysticism — is still a living movement, with hundreds of thousands of active adherents who are fanatically devoted to their "holy rabbis," some of whom have acquired a very considerable political influence in Israel, among the leaders of most parties and even more so in the higher echelons of the army.
What, then, are the views of this movement concerning non-Jews? As an example, let us take the famous Hatanya, fundamental book of the Habbad movement, one of the most important branches of Hassidism. According to this book, all non-Jews are totally satanic creatures "in whom there is absolutely nothing good." Even a non-Jewish embryo is qualitatively different from a Jewish one. The very existence of a non-Jew is "inessential," whereas all of creation was created solely for the sake of the Jews.
This book is circulated in countless editions, and its ideas are further propagated in the numerous "discourses" of the rabbi, M. M. Schneurssohn, who leads this powerful world-wide organisation from his New York headquarters. In Israel these ideas are widely disseminated among the public at large, in the schools and in the army. (According to the testimony of Shulamit Aloni, Member of the Knesset, this Habbad propaganda was particularly stepped up before Israel's invasion of Lebanon in March 1978, in order to induce military doctors and nurses to withhold medical help from "Gentile wounded." This Nazi-like advice did not refer specifically to Arabs or Palestinians, but simply to "Gentiles," goyim.) A former Israeli President, Shazar, was an ardent adherent of Habbad, and many top Israeli and American politicians — headed by Prime Minister Begin — publicly courted and supported it. This, in spite of the considerable unpopularity of the Lubavitcher rabbi — in Israel he is widely criticised because he refuses to come to the Holy Land even for a visit and keeps himself in New York for obscure messianic reasons, while in New York his anti-Black attitude is notorious.
The fact that, despite these pragmatic difficulties, Habbad can be publicly supported by so many top political figures owes much to the thoroughly disingenuous and misleading treatment by almost all scholars who have written about the Hassidic movement and its Habbad branch. This applies particularly to all who have written or are writing about it in English. They suppress the glaring evidence of the old Hassidic texts as well as the latter-day political implications that follow from them, which stare in the face of even a casual reader of the Israeli Hebrew press, in whose pages the Lubavitcher rabbi and other Hassidic leaders constantly publish the most rabid bloodthirsty statements and exhortations against all Arabs.
A chief deceiver in this case, and a good example of the power of deception, was Martin Buber. His numerous works eulogising the whole Hassidic movement (including Habbad) never so much as hint at the real doctrines of Hassidism concerning non-Jews. The crime of deception is all the greater in view of the fact that Buber's eulogies of Hassidism were first published in German during the period of the rise of German nationalism and the accession of Nazism to power. But while ostensibly opposing Nazism, Buber glorified a movement holding and actually teaching doctrines about non-Jews not unlike the Nazi doctrines about Jews. One could of course argue that the Hassidic Jews of seventy or fifty years ago were the victims, and a "white lie" favouring a victim is excusable. But the consequences of deception are incalculable. Buber's works were translated into Hebrew, were made a powerful element of the Hebrew education in Israel, have greatly increased the power of the blood-thirsty Hassidic leaders, and have thus been an important factor in the rise of Israeli chauvinism and hate of all non-Jews. If we think of the many human beings who died of their wounds because Israeli army nurses, incited by Hassidic propaganda, refused to tend them, then a heavy onus for their blood lies on the head of Martin Buber.
Israel Shahak, Jewish History, Jewish Religion: The Weight of Three Thousand Years, Pluto Press, London and Boulder Colorado, 1994, pp. 26-28. ....."
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The Noahide Laws and how they played into the treacher of 9/11:
Merry Christmas AND OFF WITH YOUR HEAD
http://www.public-action.com/christmas.html
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Excerpt from Mark Glenn's SIX SIMPLE WORDS [and you should see the whole thing. His writing and the accompanying pictures of the horror in the Middle East are powerful.] Mark Glenn has probably done more for peace in the Middle East than all your Hasidic friends put together. His own words, in more detail about why he won't cozy up to your pals:
"....The individual is raised in the virulent environment of these six simple words and is exposed to their poison with strict regularity, and it is within the confines of this intellectual petri dish that the mindworm is set loose and is permitted to do its work;
‘Every cell in a Jewish body entails divinity and is a part of God... The difference between the Jewish soul and the souls of others is greater and deeper than the difference that exists between humans and cattle... ’
And the results of cooking up this dangerous virus are not difficult to imagine, in fact they are as predictable as cold weather in January...
As a doctor who has sworn an oath to protect human life, a madman enters a Mosque and murders 29 innocent and helpless worshippers with a machine gun. Is there a national outcry or a sense of shock? Is there any inquiry as to what led him into committing such an act? Do investigators dig up what kind of philosophical leanings he might have had that would produce such an act, and whether there are any others who think like him who may do the same? Is there any sense of moral outrage within his own community? Do fellow members of the cult formed around these six simple words demand that justice be done?
On the contrary, they believe that by his actions justice has already been done. His religious leaders praise his actions, calling him a saint and a friend to humanity. One of these ‘holy men‘ responds without shame that he is as sorry about “dead Arabs” as he is about “dead flies.”
An army officer empties his machine gun into the body of a defenseless 14-year-old girl on her way to school. The entire scenario is caught on tape, leaving no doubt as to what took place as well as the guilt of the butcher who committed this act. And when these six simple words are used as a defense argument, what is the verdict? Not guilty. The individual whose actions are indefensible in any other system of morals around the globe is exculpated and then exonerated as a national hero.
It is so commonplace now that people have lost their sense of shock over it, even when it is repeated over and over again in numbers running into the hundreds of thousands and even into the millions. Christians and Muslims are driven from their homes by tanks and machine guns that are fed the fuel of these six simple words, the deadly machinery of which is operated and maneuvered by those who are intoxicated upon these distilled spirits that have been the main staple of their daily diet throughout their lives.
Palestinian children, Muslim and Christian, being the ‘inferior‘ beings that they are, are shot in the head while playing in the streets or while walking to school. Is there any outrage among the disciples of these six simple words who boast of being ‘a light among nations‘? They barely blink at it, and do so only as an afterthought. The arrogant, supremacist-minded machines who systematically wage a war of genocide against what were peaceable peoples by dropping bombs on their homes while they sleep or who hide explosives within toys and then leave them for children to find have neither apologies nor regret, and why should they? They are not only morally permitted, but morally commanded to redeem the land that they have conquered by violence and to purify it of Amalek, the lower race that is infecting it and making it unclean. Do these superior and better individuals blink or flinch or otherwise show some sign that indicates that they do not firmly believe in what they are doing? Not a chance. By contrast, they vow to do even more of this, and reward those who do so with medals and honors...
**** It is a pleasant fiction that many today are willing to maintain, this notion that there is a vast, uncrossable chasm between Judaism and Zionism. Whether it is the stuff of organized Jewish groups or whether it is the spineless pandering that is done by those working for humanitarian causes makes no difference. The popular and politically correct version of this pleasant fiction that presents Judaism as being nothing but a harmless, selfless, devotion to God and that of Zionism as being a perverted mutation of it is mere fantasy. Nothing could be further from the truth. The two are as inextricably linked to each other as cigarettes are to lung cancer or as much so as a promiscuous lifestyle is to sexually transmitted diseases. Were there no such thing as Judaism, with its tribal character and its ‘chosen people‘ dogma, there would be no such thing as Zionism, and this is the ugly truth that no one wants to discuss, much less recognize. If Zionism is the ugly, thorny tree that has brought forth the fruits of violence and turmoil in the world, than Judaism is the seed that has produced it.
As the saying goes, a leopard does not change its spots, and therefore what must be recognized is the fact that today this thing that is the core of modern day Judaism is exactly what it was 20 centuries past, the essence of whose central creed is the superiority and the ‘chosenness‘ of those making up the tribe of Judah. All the authoritative sources on this matter, from the Rabbis to the various encyclopedias to the Talmud itself are clear on this subject; modern day Judaism is Pharisaism in some degree, more or less. The inescapable conclusion concerning the difference between the two is only one of scale; Zionism, being a full-grown lion and the other, Judaism, a cub who at present merely appears to be harmless. While the essence of the other two faiths originating in the Middle East, Christianity and Islam, is one of submission and of universality, the essence of Judaism is one of supremacism and isolationism, pure and simple. ‘The Jews are the Chosen People... The Jews are the Chosen People... The Jews are the Chosen People... ’ Take that bitter spice out of the mix and it ceases to be the dish that it is.
*** Despite the fact that there may be men who today clad themselves in black and who piously wear their hair and beards long while protesting against the existence of the Zionist state, ****what they fail to mention is that Israel is just the practical application of the very same principals that collectively make up the cult based upon the tribe of Judah to which they themselves profess. Whether these demonstrations on their part are but another manifestation of the age-old Judaic tactic of ‘By way of deception thou shalt do war‘ or whether it is a struggle for power between the religious and secular wings of Judaism is another question for another time. The fact is that, philosophically speaking, the two entities are birds of a feather.
Both ideologies maintain a strict wall of separation between the Jewish and the Gentile soul and done in the interest of keeping the former untainted by the latter. They both bow own before the golden calf of these six simple words and their agenda in the same way that an alcoholic covets his bottle of whiskey. Both look forward to the day wherein the those from the tribe of Judah will ‘inherit the earth‘ and ‘make footstools of all their enemies‘. Both entities revere the Talmud, an unbroken, incontestable, 6,000-page statement of Jewish superiority that has devoted some 2,000 of those pages to discussing the inferiority of non-Jews. Within this supposed contest between these two ugly twin sisters, Zionism and Judaism, the only difference between the two appears to be one of sour grapes, as well as what is not a small amount of squeamishness on the part of the one when she finds herself in the presence of all the innocent blood that has been shed in the interest of these six simple words.
Such positions of denial on the part of those who condemn Zionism and yet who defend Judaism must originate in one of two spirits: The one is out of a sense of genuine ignorance, such as is the case of those individuals (Gentile or Jewish) who know little to nothing of what has been the true essence of the tribal cult of Judah since its scattering in the 1st century. The other spirit is the one maintained in the interests of duplicity and done for the purpose of covering up what Judaism truly encompasses. *** The claim often made by the individual that he or she is a devout follower of Judaism but yet an opponent of Zionism would be similar to someone saying that he or she is a member of the Ku Klux Klan and yet who believes that whites and blacks are equal human beings in all respects. In the same manner, individuals who make claims such as these are either lying or else they are not followers of true Judaism in its totality. The fact that there may be sects within Judaism that do not tenaciously adhere to the blatantly racist and anti-Gentile themes preached in the Talmud does not change the fact that such sects have taken the first step towards embracing these poisonous ideas at a later date by imbibing into their thinking the idea that they belong to a chosen class and that they are a protected species.
These six simple words, now expanded into some 6,000 pages that make up the repository of the cult of Judah, are, in their basic composition the same today as they were 2,000 years ago. The only distinguishing characteristic that can be made between the Judaism of 20 centuries ago and its older sibling as it exists today is the fact that it has become more bitter and more potent through what has been this protracted period of fermentation.
The only viable reason for explaining why there is this flurry of individuals and groups running to the podium and trying to make a distinction between Judaism and Zionism is due to all the bad press that has been generated over the course of the last century in the Middle East, and even more importantly with what is taking place today. The images and realities of what is occurring on the ground are impossible to hide any longer--A quarter of a million Palestinians dead... A million Iraqis dead... The winds of war in Iran, Syria and Lebanon whose origins lie in the demands made by organized Jewry... Men with names such as Sharon, Sharansky, Feith, Pearle, Abrams and Wolfowitz who hold the American President on a leash and who use him as both an enabler and as an enforcer for the agenda of these six simple words, not only in the Middle East, but indeed around the world.
As the ugly fruits of Zionism (the political application of these six simple words) begin to make themselves manifest before the eyes of a watching world, the conclusions are obvious and inescapable:
This is what happens when the haughty, self-absorbed sentiments of the tribal cult of Judah are put into political practice... This is the fruit of these six simple words when they are allowed to run rampantly upon mankind.
Anyone with an ounce of curiosity (as well as any intellectual honesty) can find out for him or herself. But one does not need a microscope in order to find evidence of the corrupting influence of these six simple words, this **** leaven of the Pharisees, (as one man famously called it) as they gnaw away at what remains of mankind’s order and of Western civilization. WWIII is well under way, and it is only those from among a dwindling number of fools and liars who still try to maintain the notion that it is being fought for reasons other than those that are in the interests of the Jewish supremacist agenda and of its six simple words.
And it is in this context then that many puzzles and mysteries cease to be such...
The war between a man named Jesus of Nazareth and the gangsters who preached the vanity and viciousness of these six simple words takes on entirely different hues and flavors than simply one of a religious dispute. The Abomination of Desolation in the Holy Place spoken of by the prophet Daniel and discussed by Christ when describing the last days becomes less foggy and obscure when considering what is today the essence of the Jewish state known as Israel. The beast of the Apocalypse, with its 7 heads and ten horns becomes less cryptic when one views the power of the Zionist agenda as it worms its way throughout the world today devouring its victims...
And, last but not least, the 2,000-year-old riddle concerning the ‘mark of the beast,’ in addition to his number appears also to have been solved as well... ‘666, the number of the beast... ’
It is all around humanity and in everything that is taking place today. Six simple words, repeated over and over again in the macro and microeconomics of mankind. Like the serpent in the Garden, six simple words that have snaked their way into almost every facet of life for modern man and to which he must pay his respects if he is to be permitted to function. Six simple words that have conquered the civilization that was the fruit of one man’s war of liberation from the agenda of this short, seemingly insignificant admixture of sounds and ideas.
‘Repeat after us,’ the beast demands of all the world’s inhabitants today. ‘The Jews are the chosen people... The Jews are the chosen people... The Jews are the chosen people... ’
And, just as was predicted, almost all men, small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, now accept this mark in return for all the benefits that come with it.
‘The Jews are the chosen people... ’
‘You can do whatever you want... ’
‘There is nothing to stop you... ’ ......"
http://www.gnosticliberationfront.com/six_simple_words.htm
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IN CASE YOU MISSED IT, THIS ONE'S FOR YOU:

The claim often made by the individual that he or she is a devout follower of Judaism but yet an opponent of Zionism would be similar to someone saying that he or she is a member of the Ku Klux Klan and yet who believes that whites and blacks are equal human beings in all respects. In the same manner, individuals who make claims such as these are either lying or else they are not followers of true Judaism in its totality. The fact that there may be sects within Judaism that do not tenaciously adhere to the blatantly racist and anti-Gentile themes preached in the Talmud does not change the fact that such sects have taken the first step towards embracing these poisonous ideas at a later date by imbibing into their thinking the idea that they belong to a chosen class and that they are a protected species.
"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm
AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt posted on 2009-01-15 6:33:18 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#10. To: FormerLurker (#7)
see above.
If someone invited you to a party, and offered you a banquet in which you knew poison had been hidden, how would YOU take it, with honey or straight? Or would you decline the meal and warn the other guests?

"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm
AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt posted on 2009-01-15 6:38:50 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#11. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#9)
Mat 23:1 Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples,

Mat 23:2 Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:

Mat 23:3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, [that] observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.

Mat 23:4 For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay [them] on men's shoulders; but they [themselves] will not move them with one of their fingers.

Mat 23:5 But all their works they do for to be seen of men: they make broad their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments,

Mat 23:6 And love the uppermost rooms at feasts, and the chief seats in the synagogues,

Mat 23:7 And greetings in the markets, and to be called of men, Rabbi, Rabbi.

Mat 23:8 But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, [even] Christ; and all ye are brethren.

Mat 23:9 And call no [man] your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
[Catholics obviously didn't read this last sentence either].

noone222 posted on 2009-01-15 6:50:19 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#12. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#9) (Edited)
I won't pretend that I know a lot about the Talmud, and I won't attempt to defend it as I'm not sure if it doesn't in part say what some claim. I do know that there ARE some excerpts from it that have been misquoted or taken out of context, and that there is a LOT of lying going around, not just from Jews, but by those who despise them.
Here's a bit on that...
Talmud: The Real Truth About The Talmud
What it comes down to is that there is no real authoritive text on what God wants or what God has said. The Old Testament as I pointed out in several other threads contains a passage urging its followers to "smite" men, women, children, of the enemies of Israel.
No loving God would ever urge people to do that, yet it's right there in Samuel 1 15.
The fact is, the sect that Jesus belonged to were vegetarians, were against war or violence of any type, outlawed animal sacrifice and other things that the Torah (Old Testament) and associated Jewish law demanded.
As such, the Old Testament can be seen as a collection of writings that were seen as simply evil manuscripts by the true followers of Jesus, and much of what is contained in the New Testament is simply the fabrication of self- proclaimed apostle Paul (Simon Magus) who tried to kill the true apostles, and who DID successfully eradicate most of the true followers of Jesus along with all of the true gospels. He did manage to imprison the surviving apostles from what I gather.
What it comes down to is that religious zealotry of ANY type brings forth despair, intolerance, and intolerable suffering, and has been a pestilence upon mankind since its inception.
The people who consider themselves the children of Israel have committed grevious acts over the milennia due to their self-righteous idealogy in regards to what is written in the Old Testament, and disciples of Paul (Simon Magus) have committed grevious acts thinking that they are following the Word of God through Jesus, where in reality they are doing the opposite of what he taught.
Muslims commit grevious acts thinking that they are making Allah happy in their adherence to questionable passages in the Koran, and other people have done the same in the name of their gods as well.
There isn't any one mainstream religion that is truly the Word of God, it is all the product of corrupt men.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-01-15 7:05:18 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#13. To: noone222 (#11)
See post 12.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-01-15 7:05:53 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#14. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#9)
And, last but not least, the 2,000-year-old riddle concerning the ‘mark of the beast,’ in addition to his number appears also to have been solved as well... ‘666, the number of the beast... ’
It is all around humanity and in everything that is taking place today. Six simple words, repeated over and over again in the macro and microeconomics of mankind. Like the serpent in the Garden, six simple words that have snaked their way into almost every facet of life for modern man and to which he must pay his respects if he is to be permitted to function. Six simple words that have conquered the civilization that was the fruit of one man’s war of liberation from the agenda of this short, seemingly insignificant admixture of sounds and ideas.
‘Repeat after us,’ the beast demands of all the world’s inhabitants today. ‘The Jews are the chosen people... The Jews are the chosen people... The Jews are the chosen people... ’
And, just as was predicted, almost all men, small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, now accept this mark in return for all the benefits that come with it.
‘The Jews are the chosen people... ’
‘You can do whatever you want... ’
‘There is nothing to stop you... ’ ......"

Do you not see the folly of what you write?
The sentence "the Jews are the chosen people" could well be stated "Jews are the chosen people" which would only contain 5 words, not 6, and the latter two are just things that you or your source fabricated to end up with two more 6 word sentences.
I could easily write;
"Jesus is the Son of God"
"He that denies it is damned"
"He who accepts it is saved"
There you go, 666.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-01-15 8:22:29 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#15. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#9)
It has to be understood that we are not dealing with the Noah of the Bible when the religion of Judaism refers to "Noahide law," but the Noahide law as understood and interpreted by the absolute system of falsification that constitutes the Talmud.

Well you have understood incorrectly, as the Noahide law IS that which is said to have been given to Noah.
Seven Laws of Noah

Funny how you adamently disparage a religion whose God you worship and whose writings you revere if and when it suits you.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-01-15 8:42:51 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#16. To: FormerLurker (#15)
let's start backward
It has to be understood that we are not dealing with the Noah of the Bible when the religion of Judaism refers to "Noahide law," but the Noahide law as understood and interpreted by the absolute system of falsification that constitutes the Talmud.
Well you have understood incorrectly, as the Noahide law IS that which is said to have been given to Noah.

I really don't have time for this today......I really don't. I will depend on the Bible and not the Jewish wikipedia for reference, if you don't mind.
Let's start with Genesis 9:11....did you catch that 9/11? [oh gee, what a coincidence], the start of their phony Noahide system that attempts to totally sidestep the sacrifice and saving grace of God who came in the flesh, Jesus Christ, and the New Covenant. Just like that, wipe out 2,000 years of Christian history, AS THOUGH THE WORD OF GOD HAD NO EFFECT, just like the man of perdition:

Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. http://kingjbible.com/2_thessalonians/2.htm
Genesis 9/11

And I will establish my covenant with you, neither shall all flesh be cut off any more by the waters of a flood; neither shall there any more be a flood to destroy the earth.
Here's what God said to Noah in its entirety:

King James Bible
1 And God blessed Noah and his sons, and said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth. 2 And the fear of you and the dread of you shall be upon every beast of the earth, and upon every fowl of the air, upon all that moveth upon the earth, and upon all the fishes of the sea; into your hand are they delivered. 3 Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things. 4 But flesh with the life thereof, which is the blood thereof, shall ye not eat. 5 And surely your blood of your lives will I require; at the hand of every beast will I require it, and at the hand of man; at the hand of every man's brother will I require the life of man.
6 Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man.
7 And you, be ye fruitful, and multiply; bring forth abundantly in the earth, and multiply therein.
8 And God spake unto Noah, and to his sons with him, saying, 9 And I, behold, I establish my covenant with you, and with **** your seed after you; 10 And with every living creature that is with you, of the fowl, of the cattle, and of every beast of the earth with you; from all that go out of the ark, to every beast of the earth. 11 And I will establish my covenant with you, neither shall all flesh be cut off any more by the waters of a flood; neither shall there any more be a flood to destroy the earth. 12 And God said, This is the token of the covenant which I make between me and you and every living creature that is with you, for perpetual generations: 13 I do set my bow in the cloud, and it shall be for a token of a covenant between me and the earth. 14 And it shall come to pass, when I bring a cloud over the earth, that the bow shall be seen in the cloud: 15 And I will remember my covenant, which is between me and you and every living creature of all flesh; and the waters shall no more become a flood to destroy all flesh. 16 And the bow shall be in the cloud; and I will look upon it, that I may remember the everlasting covenant between God and every living creature of all flesh that is upon the earth. 17 And God said unto Noah, This is the token of the covenant, which I have established between me and all flesh that is upon the earth.
18 And the sons of Noah, that went forth of the ark, were Shem, and Ham, and Japheth: and Ham is the father of Canaan. 19 These are the three sons of Noah: and of them was the whole earth overspread.
20 And Noah began to be an husbandman, and he planted a vineyard: 21 And he drank of the wine, and was drunken; and he was uncovered within his tent. 22 And Ham, the father of Canaan, saw the nakedness of his father, and told his two brethren without. 23 And Shem and Japheth took a garment, and laid it upon both their shoulders, and went backward, and covered the nakedness of their father; and their faces were backward, and they saw not their father's nakedness. 24 And Noah awoke from his wine, and knew what his younger son had done unto him.
25 And he said, Cursed be Canaan; a servant of servants shall he be unto his brethren.
26 And he said, Blessed be the LORD God of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant.
27 God shall enlarge Japheth, and he shall dwell in the tents of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant.
28 And Noah lived after the flood three hundred and fifty years. 29 And all the days of Noah were nine hundred and fifty years: and he died.
http://kingjbible.com/genesis/9.htm
Now, Where does it say that the Jews are supposed to administer their bogus "laws"? Where in there does it say "the Jews" are to establish Talmudic "courts of justice"? Where does it say anything about Christians being idolators, or anything about idolatry at all? Where does it say Christians must be decapitated for worshipping Jesus Christ, who IS GOD.
http://www.blueletterbible.org/s...k.cfm?b=Isa&c=9&v=6&t=KJV
I don't see any of it. I do, however, see where murderers should be killed. Let's go get all those people that are doing all the murdering over there in Gaza and Iraq. Let's go round up everyone in the executive branch, the congress, the City of London, and Tel Aviv and Jerusalem, and everywhere else they lurk AND KILL THEM!

I see where the covenant was made with Noah and "his seed" after him. I see Noah had three sons, two of which were not cursed. Abraham was Noah's seed. Jesus descended from both of them:
Luke 3 [Mary's genealogy]
23 And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli, 24 Which was the son of Matthat, which was the son of Levi, which was the son of Melchi, which was the son of Janna, which was the son of Joseph, 25 Which was the son of Mattathias, which was the son of Amos, which was the son of Naum, which was the son of Esli, which was the son of Nagge, 26 Which was the son of Maath, which was the son of Mattathias, which was the son of Semei, which was the son of Joseph, which was the son of Juda, 27 Which was the son of Joanna, which was the son of Rhesa, which was the son of Zorobabel, which was the son of Salathiel, which was the son of Neri, 28 Which was the son of Melchi, which was the son of Addi, which was the son of Cosam, which was the son of Elmodam, which was the son of Er, 29 Which was the son of Jose, which was the son of Eliezer, which was the son of Jorim, which was the son of Matthat, which was the son of Levi, 30 Which was the son of Simeon, which was the son of Juda, which was the son of Joseph, which was the son of Jonan, which was the son of Eliakim, 31 Which was the son of Melea, which was the son of Menan, which was the son of Mattatha, which was the son of Nathan, which was the son of David, 32 Which was the son of Jesse, which was the son of Obed, which was the son of Booz, which was the son of Salmon, which was the son of Naasson, 33 Which was the son of Aminadab, which was the son of Aram, which was the son of Esrom, which was the son of Phares, which was the son of Juda, 34 Which was the son of Jacob, which was the son of Isaac, which was the son of Abraham, which was the son of Thara, which was the son of Nachor, 35 Which was the son of Saruch, which was the son of Ragau, which was the son of Phalec, which was the son of Heber, which was the son of Sala, 36 Which was the son of Cainan, which was the son of Arphaxad, which was the son of Sem, which was the son of Noe, [NOAH] which was the son of Lamech, 37 Which was the son of Mathusala, which was the son of Enoch, which was the son of Jared, which was the son of Maleleel, which was the son of Cainan, 38 Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.
http://kingjbible.com/luke/3.htm
Jesus is not only the SON of GOD, He is also the FATHER:

Isaiah 9:6
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty GOD, The everlasting FATHER, The PRINCE OF PEACE.
He came and got up on that cross and took away the sin of the whole world, all the seed of Noah, even the seed of Ham, or at least for those who would believe.
John 3:16
Jhn 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Jhn 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
Jhn 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Jhn 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
Jhn 3:20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
Jhn 3:21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.....

http://www.blueletterbible.org/B...m?b=Jhn&c=3&v=16&t=KJV#16
I hope I have established that Jesus is the God of the Old Testament, who has established a NEW Testament [or covenant], it is THE EVERLASTING COVENANT [ www.blueletterbible.org/s...cfm?b=Hbr&c=13&v=20&t=KJV ], AND IT SUPERCEDES EVERYTHING THAT CAME BEFORE IT, INCLUDING THE COVENANT HE MADE WITH **** NOAH, AND INCLUDING THE COVENANT HE MADE WITH **** ABRAHAM, **** THE SEED OF NOAH.
Galatians 3:16....29
Gal 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to **** thy seed, which is Christ.
Gal 3:17 And this I say, [that] the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.
Gal 3:18 For if the inheritance [be] of the law, [it is] no more of promise: but God gave [it] to Abraham by promise........
Gal 3:26 For ye are all the children of God [see Luke 3:38 above] by faith in Christ Jesus.
HE ADOPTED ALL, INCLUDING THOSE WHO WERE OUTSIDE THE OLD COVENANT, INTO THE NEW COVENANT, INTO THE FAMILY OF GOD:

Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
Gal 3:29 And **** if ye [be] Christ's, then are ye ***** Abraham's seed [AND NOAH'S!] and heirs according to the promise.
http://www.blueletterbible.org/B...&x=66&y=13&b=Gal&c=3&v=16 / http://www.blueletterbible.org/s....cfm?b=Gal&c=3&v=29&t=KJV
WE CAN ALL BE CHOSEN IF WE CHOOSE TO FOLLOW JESUS. WE CAN ALL BE CHILDREN OF GOD.
THE JEWS DON'T WANT THAT. THEY WANT TO BE THE ONLY CHOSEN. THAT IS WHAT THEIR TALMUD IS ALL ABOUT. JEWISH SUPREMACISM AND JEWISH GLOBAL RULE. When they give up that cursed book and follow Jesus, or when they are destroyed, whichever comes first, then you will see peace, and not before.
How difficult is this to understand?
"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm
AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt posted on 2009-01-15 10:38:33 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#17. To: FormerLurker (#16) (Edited)

6 Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man.
I don't see any of it. I do, however, see where murderers should be killed. Let's go get all those people that are doing all the murdering over there in Gaza and Iraq. Let's go round up everyone in the executive branch, the congress, the City of London, and Tel Aviv and Jerusalem, and everywhere else they lurk AND KILL THEM!

oh, right....i forgot.....ACCORDING TO THEIR TALMUD, ONLY JEWS ARE MEN.....THE REST ARE BEASTS TO SERVE THE JEWS OR BE MURDERED ON THE JEWS' COMMAND.

As noone222 said above:
Mat 23:1 Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples,
Mat 23:2 Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:
Mat 23:3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, [that] observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.
Mat 23:4 For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay [them] on men's shoulders; but they [themselves] will not move them with one of their fingers.
They are HYPOCRITES! as Jesus said:

Mat 22:18 But Jesus perceived their wickedness, and said, Why tempt ye me, [ye] hypocrites?
Mat 23:13 But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in [yourselves], neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.
Mat 23:14 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation.
Mat 23:15 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.
Mat 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier [matters] of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
Mat 23:25 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess.
Mat 23:27 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead [men's] bones, and of all uncleanness.
Mat 23:29 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous,
Mat 24:51 And shall cut him asunder, and appoint [him] his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Mar 7:6 He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with [their] lips, but their heart is far from me.
Luk 11:44 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are as graves which appear not, and the men that walk over [them] are not aware [of them].
[Ye] hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky and of the earth; but how is it that ye do not discern this time?
He destroyed them once....He'll do it again.
"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm
AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt posted on 2009-01-15 10:43:33 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#18. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#17)
oh, right....i forgot.....ACCORDING TO THEIR TALMUD, ONLY JEWS ARE MEN.....THE REST ARE BEASTS TO SERVE THE JEWS OR BE MURDERED ON THE JEWS' COMMAND.

Now you KNOW that's a lie, right?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-01-15 10:56:24 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#19. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#0)

Guns N' Moses Tour 2009!!!
“The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people…and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit!”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
X-15 posted on 2009-01-15 11:02:44 ET (2 images) Reply Trace Private Reply
#20. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#16)
WE CAN ALL BE CHOSEN IF WE CHOOSE TO FOLLOW JESUS. WE CAN ALL BE CHILDREN OF GOD.

Thing is, you have no idea of what the true Jesus wanted you to follow, nor do you know (or at least you don't BELIEVE) anything about the true Jesus.
The Old Testament is a false testament, as no loving God would rile his children up to commit genocide, and would especially not make it a law.
The New Testament is written by those who plotted to murder the true apostles in order to gain control of the world, and who burnt the authentic writings of those apostles in order to replace them with what THEY wanted people to believe.
So go ahead and toss your false verses at me, I'll ignore them all day long. If you want salvation, get off your high horse and do a bit of reading on the Essenes, and I don't mean simply parse your conspiracy based "Jews are the Devil" sites, I mean REALLY try to find the Truth, if you are so inclined that is.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-01-15 11:05:25 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#21. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#17)

6 Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man.
I don't see any of it. I do, however, see where murderers should be killed. Let's go get all those people that are doing all the murdering over there in Gaza and Iraq. Let's go round up everyone in the executive branch, the congress, the City of London, and Tel Aviv and Jerusalem, and everywhere else they lurk AND KILL THEM!

BTW pal, I didn't write that so don't try to make it appear as if I did.
You appear to be a crazed individual.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-01-15 11:09:38 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#22. To: FormerLurker (#18)
did you even read what i wrote above?
1. Sanhedrin 59a: "Murdering Goyim is like killing a wild animal."
2. Abodah Zara 26b: "Even the best of the Gentiles should be killed."
3. Sanhedrin 59a: "A goy (Gentile) who pries into The Law (Talmud) is guilty of death."
4. Libbre David 37: "To communicate anything to a Goy about our religious relations would be equal to the killing of all Jews, for if the Goyim knew what we teach about them, they would kill us openly."
5. Libbre David 37: "If a Jew be called upon to explain any part of the rabbinic books, he ought to give only a false explanation. Who ever will violate this order shall be put to death."

13. Baba Necia 114, 6: "The Jews are human beings, but the nations of the world are not human beings but beasts."
14. Simeon Haddarsen, fol. 56-D: "When the Messiah comes every Jew will have 2800 slaves."
15. Nidrasch Talpioth, p. 225-L: "Jehovah created the non-Jew in human form so that the Jew would not have to be served by beasts. The non-Jew is consequently an animal in human form, and condemned to serve the Jew day and night."
18. Tosefta. Aboda Zara B, 5: "If a goy kills a goy or a Jew, he is responsible; but if a Jew kills a goy, he is NOT responsible."

19. Schulchan Aruch, Choszen Hamiszpat 388: "It is permitted to kill a Jewish denunciator everywhere. It is permitted to kill him even before he denounces."
20. Schulchan Aruch, Choszen Hamiszpat 348: "All property of other nations belongs to the Jewish nation, which, consequently, is entitled to seize upon it without any scruples."
21. Tosefta, Abda Zara VIII, 5: "How to interpret the word 'robbery.' A goy is forbidden to steal, rob, or take women slaves, etc., from a goy or from a Jew. But a Jew is NOT forbidden to do all this to a goy."
22. Seph. Jp., 92, 1: "God has given the Jews power over the possessions and blood of all nations."
23. Schulchan Aruch, Choszen Hamiszpat 156: "When a Jew has a Gentile in his clutches, another Jew may go to the same Gentile, lend him money and in turn deceive him, so that the Gentile shall be ruined. For the property of a Gentile, according to our law, belongs to no one, and the first Jew that passes has full right to seize it."
www.angelfire.com/empire2/devilswrath/enemy
Have at it:
America Under the Talmud: Will It Work for US? by Carol A. Valentine
www.come-and-hear.com/editor/index.html
"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm
AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt posted on 2009-01-15 11:10:28 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#23. To: FormerLurker (#20)
DBD
"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm
AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt posted on 2009-01-15 11:14:37 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#24. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#0)
btw....
related:
UN headquarters in Gaza hit by Israeli 'white phosphorus' shells
freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=93890

White Phosphorus Burn Victims Suffering Terribly
freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=93561

"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm
AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt posted on 2009-01-15 11:25:29 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#25. To: FormerLurker, AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#20) (Edited)
The Old Testament is a false testament, as no loving God would rile his children up to commit genocide, and would especially not make it a law.
The New Testament is written by those who plotted to murder the true apostles in order to gain control of the world, and who burnt the authentic writings of those apostles in order to replace them with what THEY wanted people to believe.

I don't mean to interrupt the wonderful skirmish between you and ATKH's as I wish to remain a simple spectator. However, I think you have violated logic and you have done so in your own words.
Those people having access to the original manuscripts/parchments of Old Testament Scripture were able to compare notes for thousands of years, up to and including the time of Christ. This would make it much harder to corrupt them since so many had been familiar with them for so long. [I don't think God's rational and ours are the same, so what we think God would or wouldn't do is of no consequence in the larger scheme of things and certainly not a factual basis for stating the Old Testament is a false Testament].
I think your own statement regarding the New Testament speaks to the very real opportunity to corrupt these scriptures. I personally would agree that this has occurred in some degree and moreso in New Testament Scripture because it was only validated by a Pagan, Constantine, at the Nicene Council in 325 A.D. for the purpose of unifying the Roman Empire.
I have many questions regarding Paul's writings especially since modern Christianity would better be described as Paulianity.
That being said, I also agree with you regarding the essenes and 1st Century Christians when you say that they were killed off in order to promulgate a different (Pagan) form of worship calling it Christianity. The Romans chased down and killed 1st Century Christians as far away from Rome as Brit-ain. (Which, by the way, in Hebrew means Covenant-Land and Brit-ish means Covenant- Man). [See Caractacus].
All of this has little to do with properly recognizing bloodlines that have co- opted the Israelite heritage for purposes of evil, which is the focal point of your dispute with ATKHs. On this subject there is a little leeway to dispute the origins of the Sephardic Jews, but no excuse whatsoever for attempts to equate Ashkenazim Jews with Israelites because it is factually refutable. The Ashkenazim are estimated to make-up 80-90% of modern Jewry, depending on who's doing the estimate. These people descended from the Japeth line of Noah's sons and migrated into Europe as Shem went to the Middle East and Ham went to Africa. But the pertinent point is that the Ashkenazim are not genetic Israelites, they are gentile German/Mongols of a distinctive branch called Khazars. They did not escape Egypt with Moses, nor are they related to Abraham. Therefore they and have no valid claim as heirs of the so-called promise.
If we expand this conversation to include their known recorded history it becomes blatantly obvious that they have been accused of destroying people/governments in over 100 countries that were eventually forced to expel them in order to survive. This is their Modus Operandi.

noone222 posted on 2009-01-15 12:47:26 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#26. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#22)
....and this is probably where the blasphemy that Jesus was into Kabbalah originated:

"..... As a punishment for wishing to curse Israel he was degraded from a prophet to a soothsayer. # 'Shipdraggers,' (v. Rashi). Herford, Christianity in the Talmud, p. 48, suggests that Balaam is frequently used in the Talmud as a type for Jesus (v. also pp. 64-70). Though no name is mentioned to shew which woman is meant, the mother of Jesus may be alluded to, which theory is strengthened by the statement that she mated with a carpenter. (The Munich MS. has [H] in the margin instead of [H], i.e., singular instead of plural.)....."
http://www.come-and-hear.com/sanhedrin/sanhedrin_106.html#R4
"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm
AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt posted on 2009-01-15 12:54:21 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#27. To: noone222 (#25)
Those people having access to the original manuscripts/parchments of Old Testament Scripture were able to compare notes for thousands of years, up to and including the time of Christ.

The question is, who are the actual authors of the ORIGINAL manuscripts? Since much of what is in the Old Testament in the way of story telling is more than likely retold legends of earlier civilizations, ie. Noah's flood is almost certainly a revised account of the Sumerian Epic of Gilgamesh, is there any real authority on the part of the Old Testament authors?
What I see from certain outrageous passages ranging from blood sacrifice to LAWS which command the people of Israel to commit genocide, is a disjointed collection of writings that were written to condone that which the people writing them wished to give themselves moral authority to commit.
That there might be SOME truth in those writings doesn't make them ALL truthful, nor does it mean they were inspired by that unimaginable intelligence which created the Universe. It simply indicates that there is SOME truth in SOME of those writings.
As far as Jesus, there are many strong indications that he belonged to the Essene sect of Judaism, which rejected animal sacrifice, violence of any type, and who believed in concepts such as reincarnation, duality of God (male and female), that no person should be another's slave, and other such things that were either foreign to the Torah or contradicted it outright.
That is probably what angered the mainstream Jewish leadership, where prior to Jesus, the Essenes did not attempt to spread their beliefs, in fact they held much of what they knew and believed in as closely guarded secrets. Jesus went public with those teachings and drew the contempt of not only the Jewish rabbis but that of Rome.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-01-15 13:10:13 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#28. To: noone222 (#25)
Those people having access to the original manuscripts/parchments of Old Testament Scripture were able to compare notes for thousands of years, up to and including the time of Christ. This would make it much harder to corrupt them since so many had been familiar with them for so long

Actually, noone, Justin Martyr pointed out several instances where they DID corrupt them:
Chapter LXXII.—Passages have been removed by the Jews from Esdras and Jeremiah.
And I said, “I shall do as you please. From the statements, then, which Esdras made in reference to the law of the passover, they have taken away the following: ‘And Esdras said to the people, This passover is our Saviour and our refuge. And if you have understood, and your heart has taken it in, that we shall humble Him on a standard, and thereafter hope in Him, then this place shall not be forsaken for ever, says the God of hosts. But if you will not believe Him, and will not listen to His declaration, you shall be a laughing-stock to the nations.’ And from the sayings of Jeremiah they have cut out the following: ‘I [was] like a lamb that is brought to the slaughter: they devised a device against me, saying, Come, let us lay on wood on His bread, and let us blot Him out from the land of the living; and His name shall no more be remembered.’ And since this passage from the sayings of Jeremiah is still written in some copies 235 [of the Scriptures] in the synagogues of the Jews (for it is only a short time since they were cut out), and since from these words it is demonstrated that the Jews deliberated about the Christ Himself, to crucify and put Him to death, He Himself is both declared to be led as a sheep to the slaughter, as was predicted by Isaiah, and is here represented as a harmless lamb; but being in a difficulty about them, they give themselves over to blasphemy. And again, from the sayings of the same Jeremiah these have been cut out: ‘The Lord God remembered His dead people of Israel who lay in the graves; and He descended to preach to them His own salvation.’2221

www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/anf01.viii.iv.lxxii.html

hapter LXXIII.—[The words] “From the wood” have been cut out of Ps. xcvi.
“And from the ninety-fifth (ninety-sixth) Psalm they have taken away this short saying of the words of David: ‘From the wood.’[ 22222222 These words were not taken away by the Jews, but added by some Christian.—Otto. [A statement not proved.]] For when the passage said, ‘Tell ye among the nations, the Lord hath reigned from the wood,’ they have left, ‘Tell ye among the nations, the Lord hath reigned.’ Now no one of your people has ever been said to have reigned as God and Lord among the nations, with the exception of Him only who was crucified, of whom also the Holy Spirit affirms in the same Psalm that He was raised again, and freed from [the grave], declaring that there is none like Him among the gods of the nations: for they are idols of demons. But I shall repeat the whole Psalm to you, that you may perceive what has been said. It is thus: ‘Sing unto the Lord a new song; sing unto the Lord, all the earth. Sing unto the Lord, and bless His name; show forth His salvation from day to day. Declare His glory among the nations, His wonders among all people. For the Lord is great, and greatly to be praised: He is to be feared above all the gods. For all the gods of the nations are demons but the Lord made the heavens. Confession and beauty are in His presence; holiness and magnificence are in His sanctuary. Bring to the Lord, O ye countries of the nations, bring to the Lord glory and honour, bring to the Lord glory in His name. Take sacrifices, and go into His courts; worship the Lord in His holy temple. Let the whole earth be moved before Him: tell ye among the nations, the Lord hath reigned. [22232223 It is strange that “from the wood” is not added; but the audacity of the copyists in such matters is well known.—Maranus.] For He hath established the world, which shall not be moved; He shall judge the nations with equity. Let the heavens rejoice, and the earth be glad; let the sea and its fulness shake. Let the fields and all therein be joyful. Let all the trees of the wood be glad before the Lord: for He comes, for He comes to judge the earth. He shall judge the world with righteousness, and the people with His truth.’ ”
Here Trypho remarked, “Whether [or not] the rulers of the people have erased any portion of the Scriptures, as you affirm, God knows; but it seems incredible.”
“Assuredly,” said I, “it does seem incredible. For it is more horrible than the calf which they made, when satisfied with manna on the earth; or than the sacrifice of children to demons; or than the slaying of the prophets. But,” said I, “you appear to me not to have heard the Scriptures which I said they had stolen away. For such as have been quoted are more than enough to prove the points in dispute, besides those which are retained by us, [22242224 Many think, “you.”] and shall yet be brought forward.”
www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/anf01.viii.iv.lxxiii.html
"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm
AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt posted on 2009-01-15 13:10:30 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#29. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#23)
DBD

Huh?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-01-15 13:11:08 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#30. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#26) (Edited)
....and this is probably where the blasphemy that Jesus was into Kabbalah originated:

suggests that Balaam is frequently used in the Talmud as a type for Jesus
A) If you had bothered reading the link I posted, you'd know that is a lie. Balaam is the name of a person that lived around the time of Moses, which is just a tad bit earlier than the time of Jesus in the order of what, 1000 years?
B) Anything that you've read in the New Testament is adulterated and/or fabricated out of whole cloth by the very people that had the true disciples of Jesus killed, where Paul (Simon Magus) was very likely an agent of Rome sent to infiltrate the Essenes and bring them down from within after Paul's first attempt to kill James (the brother of Jesus) failed.
The Essenes were hunted down and killed, and all of the original and authentic gospels of Jesus and his apostles burned.
The person who facilitated all this was Paul, and it is he who wrote (along with some help more than likely) perhaps ALL of what you think are the gospels of the apostles, keeping SOME truth in them to make them believable.
So the person who founded the Roman Catholic Church (or given credit for it at least) is the same person who silenced what Jesus actually taught, destroyed the true gospels, had true followers of Jesus killed, and wrote what HE (or his Roman masters) WANTED those "gospels" to say.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-01-15 13:21:14 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#31. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#28) (Edited)

Those people having access to the original manuscripts/parchments of Old Testament Scripture were able to compare notes for thousands of years, up to and including the time of Christ. This would make it much harder to corrupt them since so many had been familiar with them for so long.
Actually, noone, Justin Martyr pointed out several instances where they DID corrupt them:

Much harder not impossible. My own reading of scripture has caused me to think in some instance verses were added that actually conflict with earlier verses in the same chapter ... I should have simply said that the Old Testament, in my humble opinion, is less corrupted than the New Testament for a number of reasons.
Edit: This was a side issue to the modern Jewry problem which was the central issue in the conversation between you and FormerLurker and I didn't take a lot of time pondering the use of each word.

noone222 posted on 2009-01-15 13:39:54 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#32. To: FormerLurker (#27)
What I see from certain outrageous passages ranging from blood sacrifice to LAWS which command the people of Israel to commit genocide, is a disjointed collection of writings that were written to condone that which the people writing them wished to give themselves moral authority to commit.

You nor I see or think with the infinite eye or mind of God. We're very finite and our perspective is impacted greatly by that and our egos.

noone222 posted on 2009-01-15 13:50:29 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#33. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#22)
did you even read what i wrote above?

You post pages and pages of Bible quotes. Do you really expect me to read them?
The bastardized and fabricated Talmudic passages you posted have been largely debunked at the link I posted in regards to that topic.
Here it is again;

Talmud: The Real Truth About The Talmud
And here's another;
Response to "QUOTES FROM THE TALMUD" Also known as "Non-Jews as seen in the Jewish Talmud" and "Jewish Racism towards Non-Jews as expressed in the Talmud"

It seems you get your info from anti-semitic hate sites. Can you find me even ONE legitimate Talmudic reference which says anything similar to what you claim?
Most if not all of the references you cite do not exist, or do not say what is alleged.
Example:
CLAIM 1. Sanhedrin 59a: "Murdering Goyim is like killing a wild animal."
RESPONSE The quote does not exist in the source. What it does say in Sanhedrin 59a: "Rabbi Meir would say: a non-Jew who studies [the laws of seven Noahide commandments] in Torah is worthy [of respect] as a High Priest". I.I.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-01-15 13:53:58 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#34. To: noone222 (#32)
You nor I see or think with the infinite eye or mind of God. We're very finite and our perspective is impacted greatly by that and our egos.

You prove my point, but in an unintentional way. No MAN could ever SPEAK or WRITE the Word of God, nor would God need to speak his word through men. That there are spiritual paths which LEAD towards God is something that can not be explained with logical analysis, but one thing is certain, and that is the God that created Everything would not tell living beings to murder innocent men, women, and children (including infants), and to destroy all of their possessions.
Have you ever read the following passage in Samuel 1 15?
1 Samuel also said to Saul, “The LORD sent me to anoint you king over His people, over Israel. Now therefore, heed the voice of the words of the LORD.
2 Thus says the LORD of hosts: ‘I will punish Amalek for what he did to Israel, how he ambushed him on the way when he came up from Egypt.
3 Now go and attack Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and do not spare them. But kill both man and woman, infant and nursing child, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.’”
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-01-15 14:02:25 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#35. To: FormerLurker (#34) (Edited)
You prove my point, but in an unintentional way. No MAN could ever SPEAK or WRITE the Word of God, nor would God need to speak his word through men.

The words of God (an entity that I have no ability to comprehend) are said to simply be written by man. God the author, man the scribe or oracle.
You may be smarter than God. I'm not.
Edit: I should add that the parable of the wheat and tares describes the enemy of God planting an imposter/tare on earth. These battles taking place in Old Testament times may have been attempts to eradicate them. Only time will tell.

noone222 posted on 2009-01-15 14:10:50 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#36. To: noone222, All (#34) (Edited)
To me, it seems more like SAMUEL wanted the Amaleks killed for some perceived wrong. That is just ONE example of how human traits such as cold blooded murder of innocent people for the sake of petty revenge become "the Word of God" to people that wish to believe that just because somebody CLAIMS to be "insprired by God" or "had a vision".
Same can be said of Paul, who CLAIMED to have a vision of Jesus which oddly enough contradicted most of what Jesus actually taught, and tried to convince the TRUE apostles who HAD actually known Jesus of his "authority", yet had never met Jesus personally.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-01-15 14:15:40 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#37. To: noone222 (#35)
You may be smarter than God. I'm not.

I never said I'm smarter than God. I've only said I don't believe MEN that CLAIM they are the word of God.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-01-15 14:18:17 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#38. To: noone222 (#35)
These battles taking place in Old Testament times may have been attempts to eradicate them

Nope. The massacre and genocide demanded in Samuel 1 15 was over the fact some Israelites were picked off by Amaleks during the Exodus to Mt. Sinai, so "God" wanted some revenge.
As if God would need people to do his dirty work, or that he'd be so inclined to kill innocent babies, their mothers, fathers, brothers, and sisters because a few stragglers in the Exodus were killed by bandits of the same race.
Seems like this is ONE huge green light for racism, and is more than likely the source of MUCH of it on both Jewish AND Christian sides, where it's ok to not only kill but to EXTERMINATE a people because of their race or origin.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-01-15 14:28:47 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#39. To: FormerLurker (#34)
3 Now go and attack Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and do not spare them. But kill both man and woman, infant and nursing child, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.’”

That's exactly what happened in Gaza recently: jews stole a poor Palestinians' donkey and stoned it to death. Somebody posted the story here.
“The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people…and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit!”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
X-15 posted on 2009-01-15 14:38:15 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#40. To: X-15 (#39) (Edited)
That's exactly what happened in Gaza recently: jews stole a poor Palestinians' donkey and stoned it to death. Somebody posted the story here.

Such wanton disregard for life is not the work of God, nor is the suffering of man or beast what a loving God would condone. That's pretty much why I find the Bible to be nothing but a work of fiction by corrupt men, as it is THEIR words that have led to this behaviour, not the Word of God.
Hell, how many stories of PEOPLE being stoned to death are there in the Bible, and how many times has "God" ordered it over some petty violation of "Law"? It seems to me, MEN found it convenient to have people believe it was GOD that demanded these things, where in truth it was THEM.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-01-15 14:48:00 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#41. To: X-15 (#39)
To me, such behaviour is evil, and those committing such atrocities are possessed by it.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-01-15 14:50:59 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#42. To: Itisa1mosttoolate, old friend, rob noel (#0)
God's chosen(?)

Itistoolate posted on 2009-05-19 9:09:44 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
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