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Title: The thread that's changed its focus from the original title. Carry on ;)
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Published: Mar 21, 2009
Author: m e
Post Date: 2009-03-21 08:19:06 by Itistoolate
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#1103. To: destro (#1102)
Greek salad tossing fudge pirate ?

Did you just get yukoned ???

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara posted on 2009-03-24 0:19:49 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1104. To: TooConservative (#1101)
If you get a chance, please relay to fudgepackerat1145jtmims that the CFR doesn't take applications - only referrals from members. ;-)

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara posted on 2009-03-24 0:23:11 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1105. To: Rotara (#1086)
When I want a really good LOL I drive by the people's place and whiz on the one or two posters that contributed that day.

LOL!
"Controlling carbon is a bureaucrat's dream. If you control carbon, you control life." — Dr. Richard Lindzen, MIT Professor of Meteorology
farmfriend posted on 2009-03-24 0:30:35 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1106. To: farmfriend (#1105)
hehehehe

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara posted on 2009-03-24 0:35:45 ET (1 image) Reply Trace Private Reply
#1107. To: Rotara (#1106)
I don't think I have ever been over there. Not that I would be welcome. Don't think I even have the url. Don't want it either.
"Controlling carbon is a bureaucrat's dream. If you control carbon, you control life." — Dr. Richard Lindzen, MIT Professor of Meteorology
farmfriend posted on 2009-03-24 0:39:54 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1108. To: farmfriend (#1107)
I don't think I have ever been over there. Not that I would be welcome. Don't think I even have the url. Don't want it either.

I use a prophylactic Internets service for my drive by whizzes.
I'd hate to bring something nasty home ! ;-)

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara posted on 2009-03-24 0:41:52 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1109. To: Rotara (#1108)
I'd hate to bring something nasty home ! ;-)

We thank you for your kind consideration.
"Controlling carbon is a bureaucrat's dream. If you control carbon, you control life." — Dr. Richard Lindzen, MIT Professor of Meteorology
farmfriend posted on 2009-03-24 0:52:23 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1110. To: TooConservative (#1055)
I don't think I posted at FR last year. I think I've posted there only once and it was a Ron Paul banner too. I think it got deleted.
I was at Libertypost some.
When I was bored.
Silly.
"If I were going to construct a God I would furnish him with some ways and qualities and characteristics which the Present One lacks... He would spend some of His eternities in trying to forgive Himself for making man unhappy when He could have made him happy with the same effort and He would spend the rest of them in studying astronomy." ~ Mark Twain

wudidiz posted on 2009-03-24 0:52:54 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1111. To: Rotara (#1102)
*You* wandered in from an Israel-First web channel.

Hmmm...but to you, isn't that like 99.9% of all political or news/opinion websites? I'd conclude that the membership here is yet another exodus (heh-heh) from another site. For that reason, this site is reactionary toward LP in the same way that the LePers are reactionary toward FR. And I recognize a fair number here who have migrated FR->LP->4um. Ignoring their other faults, at least the freepers never spent their time obsessing over Luciane's old forum.

TooConservative posted on 2009-03-24 0:53:52 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1112. To: TooConservative, rotara (#1111)
Ignoring their other faults, at least the freepers never spent their time obsessing over Luciane's old forum.

Oh yes they did. They also had fits over Clown Posse. I was booted off FR, as were many others, for posting over there. I was booted off LP for posting over here. Tell me exactly where the difference is again?
"Controlling carbon is a bureaucrat's dream. If you control carbon, you control life." — Dr. Richard Lindzen, MIT Professor of Meteorology
farmfriend posted on 2009-03-24 0:56:54 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1113. To: Critter (#1074)
Beware!
This guy may be prowling 4um:

Very funny stuff. :-)
"If I were going to construct a God I would furnish him with some ways and qualities and characteristics which the Present One lacks... He would spend some of His eternities in trying to forgive Himself for making man unhappy when He could have made him happy with the same effort and He would spend the rest of them in studying astronomy." ~ Mark Twain

wudidiz posted on 2009-03-24 0:59:25 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1114. To: TooConservative (#1111) (Edited)
Hmmm...but to you, isn't that like 99.9% of all political or news/opinion websites?

I'm totally convinced that FR and LP are *NOT* America first chat channels.
I speak from a decade of research and investigation on both sites, their owners, funding, traffic, tech contacts, etc.
In ameriKa, you could be right on your percentages.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara posted on 2009-03-24 1:03:15 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1115. To: farmfriend (#1112)
Tell me exactly where the difference is again?

As long as they cling to lies they'll never experience the truth. :sigh:

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara posted on 2009-03-24 1:04:16 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1116. To: Rotara (#1115)
Mostly due to structural failure.
"If I were going to construct a God I would furnish him with some ways and qualities and characteristics which the Present One lacks... He would spend some of His eternities in trying to forgive Himself for making man unhappy when He could have made him happy with the same effort and He would spend the rest of them in studying astronomy." ~ Mark Twain

wudidiz posted on 2009-03-24 1:06:29 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1117. To: farmfriend (#1112)
They also had fits over Clown Posse. I was booted off FR, as were many others, for posting over there.

I wasn't but used a different handle. Didn't post that much, there were some very odd posters there and they clearly didn't respect privacy.

I was booted off LP for posting over here.

Oh? I didn't know there was such a rule at LP. Seems strange so many of us were over here during the outage if that is uniform policy at LP.
You know, those Klowns could be wildly funny. I always think of the FR cruise thread. The posts. The pictures! Oh, Lordy.

TooConservative posted on 2009-03-24 1:08:20 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1118. To: TooConservative (#1111)
you have 4mail

christine posted on 2009-03-24 1:14:03 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1119. To: TooConservative (#1117)
Oh? I didn't know there was such a rule at LP.

It was the reason Goldi gave when she was asked about it. She stated falsely that I had announced I was posting over here. I made no such announcement. Yukon was the one who made an issue of my last post at LP. It was deleted. His betrayal will never be forgiven!
"Controlling carbon is a bureaucrat's dream. If you control carbon, you control life." — Dr. Richard Lindzen, MIT Professor of Meteorology
farmfriend posted on 2009-03-24 1:14:37 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1120. To: wudidiz (#1116)
Mostly due to structural failure.

Take a viagra and log on later. LOL ;-)

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara posted on 2009-03-24 1:20:46 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1121. To: Rotara (#1091)
I strongly doubt that any poster loves Jews at 4umdumdum :)
Hi , All
I've missed all the drama, being away :)

Marguerite

Such a kind hearted soul she is, eh?
Law Enforcement Against Prohibition

"Corporation: An entity created for the legal protection of its human parasites, whose sole purpose is profit and self-perpetuation." ~~ IndieTx
You think the people of this country exist to provide you with position. I think your position exists to provide those people with freedom.~~William Wallace
ALAS, BABYLON. It's over. Last one here turn out the lights.
IndieTX posted on 2009-03-24 1:47:50 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1122. To: war (#958)
The law is what it is.

The "law" is just legal plunder now. You're no more than another mere asskisser of the "law".
If you're happy and you know it, clank your chains.
Eff the Bankers
bluegrass posted on 2009-03-24 2:28:55 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1123. To: war (#963)
I paid attention to the signs. I got ticketed anyway.
When paying the extortion money to the city today, the slave behind the city's collection desk was an acquaintance I hadn't seen in a number of years. The number kept changing from $140 to $170 and then he settled on $185. In a civil and polite voice, I asked, "Jim, you seem like a nice guy. Why do you work for an extortion outfit like this?"
He got a little testy and said, "We can't discuss this" and then refused to talk to me any further. I wrote down Frederic Bastiat's name and the title of his book, "The Law" and asked him if he'd ever heard the term 'legal plunder' before. He took the slip of paper. I hope the poor little slave reads the book.
Name one thing that the government does that improves our lives. I bet you can't come up with even one.
Eff the Bankers
bluegrass posted on 2009-03-24 2:39:27 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1124. To: TooConservative (#1101)
Jews rarely enter my thinking much.

Excellent. Your conditioning was a resounding success. They sure had you thinking about Muslims for while.
Eff the Bankers
bluegrass posted on 2009-03-24 2:43:32 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1125. To: IndieTX (#1121)
I strongly doubt that any poster loves Jews at 4umdumdum :)

My best online friend is BluesDuke and guess what, he is Jewish.. so I guess she is all wet..
Truth is Treason in the Empire of Lies
Refinersfire posted on 2009-03-24 3:23:36 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1126. To: farmfriend, TooConservative, rotara (#1112)
Ignoring their other faults, at least the freepers never spent their time obsessing over Luciane's old forum.

And I was booted from Trixies Site, for being a Friend of Pat Buchanan and working for Pat/against Bush's Election.. Guess I called that one right :-()
Truth is Treason in the Empire of Lies
Refinersfire posted on 2009-03-24 3:26:58 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1127. To: Rhino369 (#1051)
Actually in an elastic collision kinetic energy is NOT conserved. That is the defining characteristic of one.
You have it reversed. It is an INELASTIC collision that the kinetic energy is NOT conserved.
In an elastic collision kinetic energy IS conserved. The equation for kinetic energy in an elastic collision is as follows;

It wouldn't make any sense for an inelastic collision to conserve kinetic energy, as by definition an inelastic collision is one which kinetic energy is transferred to other forms. Since it took energy to pulverize the structure, the collision was inelastic as the energy was transferred to the pulverization process, and also in the way of heat.
The video shows that the top floors stayed in tact at least most of the way down.
You are kidding yourself. The top part of the structure started to pulverize even BEFORE it fell past the damaged section. Post a video that shows anything other than what I just said.
Additionally, since the loss of a large amount of the structure caused by the pulverization presented a lower mass in terms of momentum, and the lower UNDAMAGED structure was not a free standing object in a closed system but a rigid structure resting upon an immovable surface (hence being acted upon by an external force), the idea of momentum goes out the door as well.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-03-24 4:44:39 ET (1 image) Reply Trace Private Reply
#1128. To: IndieTX (#1121)
Such a kind hearted soul she is, eh?

I wonder how many Palestinian children she's murdered, and whether or not she had a smile on her face while pulling the trigger.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-03-24 4:47:52 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1129. To: honway (#1047)
When confronted with facts that challenge your emotion based world view , you often respond with emotional rants that include name calling and attacks against the character of the individuals you disagree with.

it's true that I have a low tolerance for fools. Guess I stepped on your toes at one time or another,huh?
Did I call for you to be banned?

sneakypete posted on 2009-03-24 6:05:06 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1130. To: TooConservative, Cynicom (#1060)
I thought you had already publicly declared me to be a Real Live Jew.

Well,one thing I think everybody will agree on is that it is MUCH better to be a real live Jew than to be a real dead Jew.

sneakypete posted on 2009-03-24 6:10:02 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1131. To: TooConservative, Cynicom, farmfriend (#1117)
I was booted off LP for posting over here. Oh? I didn't know there was such a rule at LP.

There isn't and never has been. I've been registered and have posted at both sites ever since they started up and have never been banned from either.
In fact,Cynicom was posting on LP last night. Since he openly hates Goldi AND LP he would have been banned on LP long ago if there were such a policy.

sneakypete posted on 2009-03-24 6:49:21 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1132. To: Rotara, wudidiz (#1120)
Mostly due to structural failure.
Take a viagra and log on later. LOL ;-)

"log" on??????
Are you flirting with him?

sneakypete posted on 2009-03-24 6:55:08 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1133. To: sneakypete, TooConservative, Cynicom, rotara, twentytwelve (#1131)
There isn't and never has been.

Are you calling me a liar?
I saved Goldi's post!

FF was banned for trolling for members for another forum after announcing she was leaving to go there. (She likely only was another day or so here. Damage control.)

I made no such announcement!!! Nor was I "trolling for members!"
Here is the banning post from FR just for good measure.
And fuck you for insinuating I was lying!
"Controlling carbon is a bureaucrat's dream. If you control carbon, you control life." — Dr. Richard Lindzen, MIT Professor of Meteorology
farmfriend posted on 2009-03-24 7:49:16 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1134. To: farmfriend (#1119)
It was the reason Goldi gave when she was asked about it. She stated falsely that I had announced I was posting over here. I made no such announcement. Yukon was the one who made an issue of my last post at LP. It was deleted. His betrayal will never be forgiven!

Wow. I didn't realize quite the extent these forums are private clubs.

TooConservative posted on 2009-03-24 8:12:06 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1135. To: FormerLurker (#990)
The report you link stated that it would have been possible for the WTC to collapse by "pancaking" in 8 seconds

WRONG MORON he wrote that he had read that the free fall speeds VARIED from 8- 18 seconds. He said that the MINIMUM TIME would have been 9.1 seconds.
2.0 WTC COLLAPSE TIMES
The collapse times of each of the two WTC towers are very important parameters in the estimation of the energy transfer involved in these events. In this report we define the collapse time, tc, as the observed time interval for more than 95 % of the mass of the WTC tower (WTC 1 or 2) to fall to “ground zero”. This, of course, requires a definition of the start of the collapse. Because of uncertainties in the timing of the WTC collapseinitiating and terminating events, many different values of tc have been reported; however, the published values (I have seen) all fall in the range 8 – 18 seconds. In addition, Newtonian mechanics dictates a minimum value for the collapse time, tc, which is calculated, (allowing for the thickness of each floor), as followsf82;:tc = h54;(2h/g) = h54;{2(416 f85;10)/9.81} = 9.1 seconds f82; The calculations included in this report are based on well-documented values for the WTC height, weight and other building specifications as listed in Appendix 1.
~snip~
You've displayed a stupidity that is rapidly becoming BOUNDLESS.

war posted on 2009-03-24 8:16:44 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1136. To: FormerLurker (#992)
Anyways, the collapse photos most certainly show the majority of the upper structure being pulverized and ejected sideways.

Post an analysis of the WTC dust as I did.
Thanks...

war posted on 2009-03-24 8:22:39 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1137. To: FormerLurker (#992)
You have been a nasty mouthed little troll here war, I thought higher of you back on LP. Do you always resort to that sort of tactic when you are shown to be wrong?

You have yet to show me anything other than how stupid people ***think***. IN point of fact, none of you have. You are ALL, to a man [and possibly woman[ Moonbats.
At every turn with every aspect of yout "theory" you have been show that all of what you believe, think and promote has 0 basis in fact. Yet, two posts later, you are promoting the same corrupt nonsense.
Let's cut to the chase here. What do YOU believe happened that day and there had better be links to HARD evidence not smoke and mirrors?

war posted on 2009-03-24 8:27:09 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1138. To: TooConservative (#1134)
Wow. I didn't realize quite the extent these forums are private clubs.

They all seem to have their rivals. I've always posted on several forums at a time. I currently post on 4 or 5.
"Controlling carbon is a bureaucrat's dream. If you control carbon, you control life." — Dr. Richard Lindzen, MIT Professor of Meteorology
farmfriend posted on 2009-03-24 8:29:57 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1139. To: sneakypete (#1035)
I like it over there. Does this mean you won't be going back and I can't pick on you about Acting President Soetoro?

Until Goldi either enforces her rules or eliminates them my contributions will be next to nothing. This isn't a gun to her head. This is me standing by my principles.

war posted on 2009-03-24 8:30:43 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1140. To: palo verde, James Deffenbach (#1062)
I think the trick with War is not to take it personally because he doesn't mean it personally

I appreciate you "explaining" me sweetie; however, in this case I am 199% standing by my claim that this guy is a liar.

war posted on 2009-03-24 8:34:24 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1141. To: bluegrass (#1123)
Name one thing that the government does that improves our lives.

Roads.

war posted on 2009-03-24 8:35:48 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1142. To: war (#1137)
At every turn with every aspect of yout "theory" you have been show that all of what you believe, think and promote has 0 basis in fact. Yet, two posts later, you are promoting the same corrupt nonsense.
And you are a fucking liar. I HAD thought you to be an ok person in my earlier days on LP, but I think your little rivalry with Badeye was just for show. For all I know, you are him, and posted back and forth to yourself in order to earn your paycheck.
You are a clueless idiot who DOES NOT understand simple facts and obvious impossiblities, you rely on magical thinking to form your worldview and spit out whatever bullshit you feel like if you think it will help your cause.
Let's cut to the chase here. What do YOU believe happened that day and there had better be links to HARD evidence not smoke and mirrors?
It is a physical impossibility for the towers to have collapsed the way they did without help from some type of explosive. It is impossible that people who are still alive piloted the planes into those buildings. And there is NO evidence that those people boarded the planes. Hell, you can't even find a real flight manifest, yet you are acting as if you've presented factual data and solid scientific proof. You have posted NOTHING of relevence, and have resorted to ad hominem to "make your case".
You are a fucking shill.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-03-24 9:25:01 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1143. To: sneakypete, farmfriend, TooConservative, Cynicom (#1131)
There isn't and never has been.

At the time, Goldi was having a bad hair day apparently and had banned several old time posters for daring to speak about Ron Paul. She banned anyone who "was recruiting for another forum", farmfriend mentioned 4um, and was banned shortly afterwards.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-03-24 9:28:18 ET Reply Trace Private Reply

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