Title: The thread that's changed its focus from the original title. Carry on ;) Source:
[None] URL Source:[None] Published:Mar 21, 2009 Author:m e Post Date:2009-03-21 08:19:06 by Itistoolate Keywords:None Views:11479 Comments:2261
At every turn with every aspect of yout "theory" you have been show that all of what you believe, think and promote has 0 basis in fact. Yet, two posts later, you are promoting the same corrupt nonsense.
And you are a fucking liar. I HAD thought you to be an ok person in my earlier days on LP, but I think your little rivalry with Badeye was just for show. For all I know, you are him, and posted back and forth to yourself in order to earn your paycheck.
You are a clueless idiot who DOES NOT understand simple facts and obvious impossiblities, you rely on magical thinking to form your worldview and spit out whatever bullshit you feel like if you think it will help your cause.
Let's cut to the chase here. What do YOU believe happened that day and there had better be links to HARD evidence not smoke and mirrors?
It is a physical impossibility for the towers to have collapsed the way they did without help from some type of explosive. It is impossible that people who are still alive piloted the planes into those buildings. And there is NO evidence that those people boarded the planes. Hell, you can't even find a real flight manifest, yet you are acting as if you've presented factual data and solid scientific proof. You have posted NOTHING of relevence, and have resorted to ad hominem to "make your case".
You are a fucking shill.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#1143. To: sneakypete, farmfriend, TooConservative, Cynicom (#1131)
There isn't and never has been.
At the time, Goldi was having a bad hair day apparently and had banned several old time posters for daring to speak about Ron Paul. She banned anyone who "was recruiting for another forum", farmfriend mentioned 4um, and was banned shortly afterwards.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
WRONG MORON he wrote that he had read that the free fall speeds VARIED from 8- 18 seconds. He said that the MINIMUM TIME would have been 9.1 seconds.
Well asswipe, I didn't have time to do anything other than quickly glance at the report, saw what I thought it said, and gave my opinion.
At least I'll admit I was wrong. I've yet to fully read it, I'll get back to you when I do.
So when will you ever admit YOU ARE wrong, eh war?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
Now explain to everyone how a dust cloud can cause an intact floor to collapse, as the upper structure was pulverized into dust as it collapsed, leaving very little mass to actualy impact the lower floors.
BTW, do you have calculations as to how much energy would be required to cause an entire floor to fail instantaneously by impact? There would be VERY little energy left over after the pulverization of an upper floor as it impacts a lower floor, and the lower floor must be caused to fail by the remaining energy if the "pancake" theory can be taken seriously.
So go ahead, give us the equations and the details.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
I don't like it if I feel I'm the resident of some plantation.
OTOH, I do grasp that disruptors will sometimes try to ruin another forum or poach posters from another forum. So if I were a mod or forum owner and saw that happening, I would warn them and then ban them.
People act as though only forum owners are ever sneaky and snarky or underhanded or operating from false motives. It's the posters that are by far the worst. The forum owners generally have a fairly moderate attitude until some disruptors or persons with bad motives start trolling or poaching their forum.
For instance, if I came over here and said nasty stuff about Goldi, I wouldn't expect to be welcome any more at LP. Same for FR and for Freedom4um. Free speech isn't the right to bite the hand that feeds you. And donations to these forums are not the purchase of a service which grants you any rights unless that is what they state explicitly.
There's always a tug-of-war over moderation, wannabe mods, trolls, poachers, Klownish types, donors who think someone owes someone something, those who play tricks with private messaging, etc.
Being a forum owner or mod isn't quite so easy as some people think. It's like herding cats. Real sneaky bloodthirsty cats. :)
Now explain to everyone how a dust cloud can cause an intact floor to collapse, as the upper structure was pulverized into dust as it collapsed, leaving very little mass to actualy impact the lower floors.
Geezus fucking Crickets...
The "top structure" was NOT "pulverized"...what WAS pulverized was concrete, glass, people and drywall...
BTW, do you have calculations as to how much energy would be required to cause an entire floor to fail instantaneously by impact?
So, by your own admission, you "quickly glanced" but decided to rant away anyway.
I admitted that I was wrong on that ONE point concerning the statement I thought had been made in the report you linked.
That's infinitely more than anything you do, you simply ignore any facts posted and toss out ad hominem comments since you can't refute those facts.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
The "top structure" was NOT "pulverized"...what WAS pulverized was concrete, glass, people and drywall...
The "top structure" was NOT "pulverized"...what WAS pulverized was concrete, glass, people and drywall...
Are you retarded? You contradict yourself within the same sentence. That "concrete, glass, and drywall..." along with furniture and office equipment had WEIGHT, in fact, MOST of the weight of any particular floor. The steel columns are a mystery as they should have remained standing even WITH a "pancake" collapse. In fact, the core could not collapse per se, it would have needed to have been shredded and torn apart for it to totally fail.
Anyways, what kinetic energy there was due to the momentum of the upper structure was largely expended in pulverizing the upper structure to dust, where there could have been very little kinetic energy left to break all the trusses and supports of the floor below
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#1151. To: TooConservative, F16Fighter (#1147)(Edited)
The forum owners generally have a fairly moderate attitude until some disruptors or persons with bad motives start trolling or poaching their forum.
Goldi got rid of pretty much anyone that didn't tow the pro-zionist line and who actively refuted it. I was initially banned for not cheering the bloodlust celebrations over the Israeli attacks on Lebanon, and the deaths of several UN observers due to an Israeli attack on their position.
She used a BS excuse where I had told liberator to be careful what he was saying, as he had called for the assassination of the UN Secretary General. She claimed that I was threatening to turn him in where I hadn't, as was obvious to anyone who was reading that thread.
In regards to Ron Paul supporters, she was banning them as quickly as Robinson and his mods "ZOT" new members who don't kiss the ass of the RNC.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
How do you propose the government faked the collapse? Planting explosives on every floor and blowing them up one by one in perfect order as the towers fell?
How do you propose the government faked the collapse? Planting explosives on every floor and blowing them up one by one in perfect order as the towers fell?
The collapse certainly wasn't faked, the buildings WERE destroyed. However, the impact of the airliners was just for show, the REAL cause of the demolition was something else.
That explosives were never even CONSIDERED by the government indicates they have something to hide, as terrorists are no strangers to explosives and had in fact tried to plant explosives in the WTC back in 1993. Oddly, the person who planted that explosive was an FBI informant.
Any reasonable analysis would HAVE to include explosives, yet from the very start people who suggested that area be investigated were called "conspiracy nuts".
That strikes me as a coverup, and then you need to ask yourself, why would they cover that up? Of course, only those with something to hide need to coverup anything...
As far as your question concerning how it was done, and your theory of planting explosives in every floor, it would only need to be done every 10 floors, but every floor isn't impossible either.
And since the core disappeared where it should have remained standing, it's not impossible for some classified weapon to have vaporized it, AND for high explosives planted in critical areas to cause the rest of the structure to collapse as it did.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
In other words, despite the voluminous evidence that you have been shown that your beliefs have no basis in fact, you cling to them like a baby to a blankey...
And you are a fucking liar. I HAD thought you to be an ok person in my earlier days on LP, but I think your little rivalry with Badeye was just for show. For all I know, you are him, and posted back and forth to yourself in order to earn your paycheck.
It is a physical impossibility for the towers to have collapsed the way they did without help from some type of explosive.
A plane exploded on impact. Let's cut to that chase. You DENY that it did. I challenge you to cite one other instance in which a plane carrying fuel impacted a solid object and did not explode.
Goldi got rid of pretty much anyone that didn't tow the pro-zionist line and who actively refuted it. I was initially banned for not cheering the bloodlust celebrations over the Israeli attacks on Lebanon, and the deaths of several UN observers due to an Israeli attack on their position.
If that is a forum owner's policy, it's fine with me as long as they make it clear that a policy preference is the official one for that forum. I don't like it if they pretend to be all free speechy but actually aren't. I take no position on your characterization of Goldi's banning of you since I wasn't watching that at the time.
In regards to Ron Paul supporters, she was banning them as quickly as Robinson and his mods "ZOT" new members who don't kiss the ass of the RNC.
I doubt she could have banned RP folk faster or more capriciously than FR did.
You should understand that a lot of the RP folk hung out at RonPaulForums and kind of griefed a bunch of forums, trying to 'bomb' them with RP material. I don't think any forum owner is obligated to let their forum be used as someone's press release site. Left to themselves, they would have used every forum to be all-Ron-all-the-time. Hell, even I'm not that into Ron Paul. I warned those kids from RPF that their tactics wouldn't be tolerated on these old established conservative boards but they had that wild-eyed True Believer™ fever, a real bad case of it, something only complete political neophytes come down with.
Any forum owner has to decide their focus somewhat, how much they want to allow certain topics and certain posters to dominate their front pages, like the all-important sidebars on these forum sites. I think there is probably a limit to how many Birthy/Truthy/Jewy articles you can have in your sidebar if you intend to appeal to a wide audience. (How compatible those interests are fundamentally and in the demographics of those who hold those views, we'll leave aside.) If a wide audience isn't your objective, you can focus much more on particular topics and look to recruit new members based on their interest in those topics.
a lot of the RP folk hung out at RonPaulForums and kind of griefed a bunch of forums, trying to 'bomb' them with RP material.
There was very little posted on LP in the way of legitimate Ron Paul articles, it was largely ANTI Ron Paul material that was being splattered all over LP, and there were only a handful of individuals doing so, yet THEY weren't banned, it was the sincere posters who were banned instead.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
You used that "point" to impeach the ENTIRE report that by your own further admission YOU HAD FAILED TO READ
You have failed to answer any question I've asked you, yet you try to posture yourself as morally just and that I somehow have committed some morally unjust deed. I WORK FOR A LIVING ASSHOLE, and I don't have time to spend on an idiot who refuses to get past the most basic facts.
I've posted a multitude of items that you CAN NOT refute, and you've largely ignored those yet dance all around the fact I misread ONE FUCKING sentence.
Eat shit war, go harrass people over at FR or something. Oh that's right, you AGREE with most of them there, so you'd fit right in...
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
That explosives were never even CONSIDERED by the government indicates they have something to hide, as terrorists are no strangers to explosives and had in fact tried to plant explosives in the WTC back in 1993. Oddly, the person who planted that explosive was an FBI informant.
This is silly. A jetplane crashed into the building, and the building fractured at the point of impact. Of course explosives where never seriously considered. Its like considering poisoning for the cause of death of JFK. There is no evidence to suggest explosives. The only evidence you even attempt to give is, its impossible the way the government claims therefore its explosives.
As far as your question concerning how it was done, and your theory of planting explosives in every floor, it would only need to be done every 10 floors, but every floor isn't impossible either.
Why are there no explosions seen every tenth floor? Who planted these explosives and when? Those buildings were some of the most used in the world. And again where is your evidence for this?
And since the core disappeared where it should have remained standing, it's not impossible for some classified weapon to have vaporized it, AND for high explosives planted in critical areas to cause the rest of the structure to collapse as it did.
And what they knew exactly where the point of impact would be? How silly. The core fell because it heated to the point where the steels tensile strength was lowered below the pressure applied to it.
And what they knew exactly where the point of impact would be? How silly. The core fell because it heated to the point where the steels tensile strength was lowered below the pressure applied to it.
LOL! Magickal Jet Fuel™. One time and one time only caused three skyscrapers to fall. Never before or since 9/11. Amazing.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Lord Acton
There was very little posted on LP in the way of legitimate Ron Paul articles, it was largely ANTI Ron Paul material that was being splattered all over LP, and there were only a handful of individuals doing so, yet THEY weren't banned, it was the sincere posters who were banned instead.
Not that I was asked, but I would have to disagree with that statement. By the time Goldi began banning people, the forum had turned into a Ron Paul tit-for- tat forum, with the anti-Paul people posting anti-Paul threads and the pro-Paul people posting pro-Paul threads. It became all-Ron, all the time. I will agree that it was instigated by the big government loving anti-Paulies like padlock, domer, yukon, Aunt Bee, etc.
Of course Goldi once again showed her true big government loving colors by banning pro-Paul articles and pro-Paul people while allowing anti-Paul articles and encouraging anti-Paul people. Hell, she even jumped on the anti-Paul bandwagon and participated on the anti-Paul threads.
She proved that all of her small government rhetoric was pure bullshit. Hell she even had a couple of meltdowns when McCain lost the election and threatened to ban people who didn't vote for McCain.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976
The purpose of the legal system is to protect the elites from the wrath of those they plunder.- Elliott Jackalope
This is silly. A jetplane crashed into the building, and the building fractured at the point of impact.
It wasn't "fractured", it was pierced. The buildings were designed to withstand impacts by jet airliners.
Why are there no explosions seen every tenth floor? Who planted these explosives and when? Those buildings were some of the most used in the world. And again where is your evidence for this?
You tossed out a possible scenario, and so did I. We aren't FBI agents with the power to interrogate people nor do we have access to their data banks, so neither you nor I can possibly find out exactly "who, or when". However, there were MANY opportunities for such explosives to be placed, especially the weekend prior to the attacks where the buildings were powered down for "upgrades". There was maintenance performed on the elevator shafts the weeks and months before the attacks.
Additionally, there ARE more than a few videos which show material being ejected from floors BELOW the collapse, and there ARE bright flashes seen in windows in lower floors below the collapse as well.
And what they knew exactly where the point of impact would be? How silly. The core fell because it heated to the point where the steels tensile strength was lowered below the pressure applied to it.
If the planes were remote controlled they'd know. If the building was completely rigged it wouldn't matter. And steel takes more than a fraction of a second to heat to a point it fails. The lower 100 floors were undamaged and were at their maximum strength.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
Not that I was asked, but I would have to disagree with that statement. By the time Goldi began banning people, the forum had turned into a Ron Paul tit-for- tat forum, with the anti-Paul people posting anti-Paul threads and the pro-Paul people posting pro-Paul threads.
The ratio between valid Ron Paul articles and the crap from blogs which anti- Paul folks would post was substantial. I was speaking in relative terms. In fact, many of the "what Paul ate for lunch" articles WERE posted by the likes of padlock and such.
I agree with the rest of what you said though.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
LOL! Magickal Jet Fuel™. One time and one time only caused three skyscrapers to fall. Never before or since 9/11. Amazing.
Listen this shit is extremely easy to test. How hot can jet fuel accelerated fire get? At this temperature what is the fracture stress level of the steel used in the building? If you know the temperature, and the tensile strength, you can calculate what loan causes failure.
This is how normal scientists and engineers would test the claims. Instead you guys create bullshit youtube videos trying to only use netwons third law to analyze and extremely complicated event.
It wasn't "fractured", it was pierced. The buildings were designed to withstand impacts by jet airliners.
The building were designed to withstand smaller jet impacts. And it did survive the impact. It was the high temperature fire that took the towers down.
#1173. To: FormerLurker, TooConservative, all (#1151)
She [Goldi-Lox] used a BS excuse where I had told liberator to be careful what he was saying, as he had called for the assassination of the UN Secretary General. She claimed that I was threatening to turn him in where I hadn't, as was obvious to anyone who was reading that thread.
Well - I didn't call for your expulsion in the first place despite your sloppiness, but let's all go back (for those who actually care) and re-play the tape (your quotes are italicized) and let whomever decide exactly what transpired. In fact here is the entire thread:
Listen this shit is extremely easy to test. How hot can jet fuel accelerated fire get? At this temperature what is the fracture stress level of the steel used in the building? If you know the temperature, and the tensile strength, you can calculate what loan causes failure.
This is how normal scientists and engineers would test the claims. Instead you guys create bullshit youtube videos trying to only use netwons third law to analyze and extremely complicated event.
I have never created any youtube videos. If I could find out the formula for that Magickal Jet Fuel™ I would probably be tempted to make one. But then, knowing how powerful it is I doubt I would because I wouldn't want to be the cause of more skyscrapers falling.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Lord Acton
The building were designed to withstand smaller jet impacts. And it did survive the impact. It was the high temperature fire that took the towers down.
LOL! The Magickal Jet Fuel™. I knew you would get back to that. Aren't you glad they only made one batch of it? Your argument about how they were designed to withstand the impact of "smaller jets" is bs. They were designed to withstand the impacts of the biggest jets in commercial use at the time they were built.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Lord Acton
Afterall, your man Kofi and the rest of the UN's crime syndicate have been so effective is maintaining world peace...
(Sigh) What WOULD we do without them?
liberator posted on 2006-07-27 03:43:24 ET (1 image) Reply Trace
Well that missing picture certainly said a lot without words. Anyways, I wasn't blaming you, I was blaming Goldi as just using it as an excuse. I could go back and find the thread, but I do recall you had suggested the UN Secretary General be killed. In fact, wasn't your picture one of a plane crashing into the UN?
I think that's why I asked if you helped in the WTC attacks.
Anyways, it was a dumb thing for you to say (or suggest) since the forum IS monitored, just like any other forum is monitored. I thought you realized that afterwards when I spoke to you on LP, where Goldi had apparently felt bad about banning me and lifted the ban, just to reinstate it at Marguerite's request since I wouldn't back down and bend over for her boyfriend Byteshredder.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
The building were designed to withstand smaller jet impacts.
Wrong. The 707 has about the same weight and fuel capacity, and actually flies faster than the 767. The 767 was only carrying a bit less than half its fuel capacity BTW...
And it did survive the impact. It was the high temperature fire that took the towers down.
First off, the majority of the jet fuel burnt up in the first few minutes after impact, and most of it went up in the huge fireballs outside the buildings.
The fires were ordinary office fires, nothing magical about them.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
Oh and BTW liberator, our little spat over at LP started over you and others cheering the deaths of the UN observers, who besides being from allied countries such as Canada, could very well have been American (although they weren't in this particular instance). Remember, Reagan sent US Marines to Lebanon to keep the Isrealis from massacring women and children in refugee camps.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
I find that sort of ironic where I thought YOU were a NWO troll at the time.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
I could go back and find the thread, but I do recall you had suggested the UN Secretary General be killed... Anyways, it was a dumb thing for you to say (or suggest) since the forum IS monitored, just like any other forum is monitored.
Sure - everyone realizes forums are monitored; For the record, I suggested Kofi be "eliminated." That could be construed as "removed from his SG post," but I couldn't have cared less what happened to that corrupt, lying SOB.
As to what transpired afterwards, I wouldn't presume to know what or who an owner of any forum deems to be a liability since I (or you for that matter) aren't privy to whatever warnings are or aren't given. Sh*t happens - you know that.
First off, the majority of the jet fuel burnt up in the first few minutes after impact
The heat would still be absorbed by the building.
The fires were ordinary office fires, nothing magical about them.
I hardly call an accelerated office fire ordinary.
Look if the answer is so simple, why would they use this method to attack the towers? You are saying its so impossible that you don't even have to be an expert to know so.
Why do you think the government would use a cover story so absurd? There are hundreds of thousands of people who are qualified, and knowledgeable to recognize this. How is the government keeping all of them silent, and more importantly why use such an easily discarded cover?
You seem to believe they came up with a needlessly complicated, absurd unbelievable plan, and only a bunch of conspiracy theorists are smart enough to see it?
This requires our government to be: malicious enough to murder thousands smart enough to flawlessly pull it off with witnesses dumb enough to create a stupid able to keep it secrete, except for you guys
