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How do you propose the government faked the collapse? Planting explosives on every floor and blowing them up one by one in perfect order as the towers fell?
How do you propose the government faked the collapse? Planting explosives on every floor and blowing them up one by one in perfect order as the towers fell?
The collapse certainly wasn't faked, the buildings WERE destroyed. However, the impact of the airliners was just for show, the REAL cause of the demolition was something else.
That explosives were never even CONSIDERED by the government indicates they have something to hide, as terrorists are no strangers to explosives and had in fact tried to plant explosives in the WTC back in 1993. Oddly, the person who planted that explosive was an FBI informant.
Any reasonable analysis would HAVE to include explosives, yet from the very start people who suggested that area be investigated were called "conspiracy nuts".
That strikes me as a coverup, and then you need to ask yourself, why would they cover that up? Of course, only those with something to hide need to coverup anything...
As far as your question concerning how it was done, and your theory of planting explosives in every floor, it would only need to be done every 10 floors, but every floor isn't impossible either.
And since the core disappeared where it should have remained standing, it's not impossible for some classified weapon to have vaporized it, AND for high explosives planted in critical areas to cause the rest of the structure to collapse as it did.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
In other words, despite the voluminous evidence that you have been shown that your beliefs have no basis in fact, you cling to them like a baby to a blankey...
And you are a fucking liar. I HAD thought you to be an ok person in my earlier days on LP, but I think your little rivalry with Badeye was just for show. For all I know, you are him, and posted back and forth to yourself in order to earn your paycheck.
It is a physical impossibility for the towers to have collapsed the way they did without help from some type of explosive.
A plane exploded on impact. Let's cut to that chase. You DENY that it did. I challenge you to cite one other instance in which a plane carrying fuel impacted a solid object and did not explode.
Goldi got rid of pretty much anyone that didn't tow the pro-zionist line and who actively refuted it. I was initially banned for not cheering the bloodlust celebrations over the Israeli attacks on Lebanon, and the deaths of several UN observers due to an Israeli attack on their position.
If that is a forum owner's policy, it's fine with me as long as they make it clear that a policy preference is the official one for that forum. I don't like it if they pretend to be all free speechy but actually aren't. I take no position on your characterization of Goldi's banning of you since I wasn't watching that at the time.
In regards to Ron Paul supporters, she was banning them as quickly as Robinson and his mods "ZOT" new members who don't kiss the ass of the RNC.
I doubt she could have banned RP folk faster or more capriciously than FR did.
You should understand that a lot of the RP folk hung out at RonPaulForums and kind of griefed a bunch of forums, trying to 'bomb' them with RP material. I don't think any forum owner is obligated to let their forum be used as someone's press release site. Left to themselves, they would have used every forum to be all-Ron-all-the-time. Hell, even I'm not that into Ron Paul. I warned those kids from RPF that their tactics wouldn't be tolerated on these old established conservative boards but they had that wild-eyed True Believer™ fever, a real bad case of it, something only complete political neophytes come down with.
Any forum owner has to decide their focus somewhat, how much they want to allow certain topics and certain posters to dominate their front pages, like the all-important sidebars on these forum sites. I think there is probably a limit to how many Birthy/Truthy/Jewy articles you can have in your sidebar if you intend to appeal to a wide audience. (How compatible those interests are fundamentally and in the demographics of those who hold those views, we'll leave aside.) If a wide audience isn't your objective, you can focus much more on particular topics and look to recruit new members based on their interest in those topics.
a lot of the RP folk hung out at RonPaulForums and kind of griefed a bunch of forums, trying to 'bomb' them with RP material.
There was very little posted on LP in the way of legitimate Ron Paul articles, it was largely ANTI Ron Paul material that was being splattered all over LP, and there were only a handful of individuals doing so, yet THEY weren't banned, it was the sincere posters who were banned instead.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
You used that "point" to impeach the ENTIRE report that by your own further admission YOU HAD FAILED TO READ
You have failed to answer any question I've asked you, yet you try to posture yourself as morally just and that I somehow have committed some morally unjust deed. I WORK FOR A LIVING ASSHOLE, and I don't have time to spend on an idiot who refuses to get past the most basic facts.
I've posted a multitude of items that you CAN NOT refute, and you've largely ignored those yet dance all around the fact I misread ONE FUCKING sentence.
Eat shit war, go harrass people over at FR or something. Oh that's right, you AGREE with most of them there, so you'd fit right in...
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
That explosives were never even CONSIDERED by the government indicates they have something to hide, as terrorists are no strangers to explosives and had in fact tried to plant explosives in the WTC back in 1993. Oddly, the person who planted that explosive was an FBI informant.
This is silly. A jetplane crashed into the building, and the building fractured at the point of impact. Of course explosives where never seriously considered. Its like considering poisoning for the cause of death of JFK. There is no evidence to suggest explosives. The only evidence you even attempt to give is, its impossible the way the government claims therefore its explosives.
As far as your question concerning how it was done, and your theory of planting explosives in every floor, it would only need to be done every 10 floors, but every floor isn't impossible either.
Why are there no explosions seen every tenth floor? Who planted these explosives and when? Those buildings were some of the most used in the world. And again where is your evidence for this?
And since the core disappeared where it should have remained standing, it's not impossible for some classified weapon to have vaporized it, AND for high explosives planted in critical areas to cause the rest of the structure to collapse as it did.
And what they knew exactly where the point of impact would be? How silly. The core fell because it heated to the point where the steels tensile strength was lowered below the pressure applied to it.
And what they knew exactly where the point of impact would be? How silly. The core fell because it heated to the point where the steels tensile strength was lowered below the pressure applied to it.
LOL! Magickal Jet Fuel™. One time and one time only caused three skyscrapers to fall. Never before or since 9/11. Amazing.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Lord Acton
There was very little posted on LP in the way of legitimate Ron Paul articles, it was largely ANTI Ron Paul material that was being splattered all over LP, and there were only a handful of individuals doing so, yet THEY weren't banned, it was the sincere posters who were banned instead.
Not that I was asked, but I would have to disagree with that statement. By the time Goldi began banning people, the forum had turned into a Ron Paul tit-for- tat forum, with the anti-Paul people posting anti-Paul threads and the pro-Paul people posting pro-Paul threads. It became all-Ron, all the time. I will agree that it was instigated by the big government loving anti-Paulies like padlock, domer, yukon, Aunt Bee, etc.
Of course Goldi once again showed her true big government loving colors by banning pro-Paul articles and pro-Paul people while allowing anti-Paul articles and encouraging anti-Paul people. Hell, she even jumped on the anti-Paul bandwagon and participated on the anti-Paul threads.
She proved that all of her small government rhetoric was pure bullshit. Hell she even had a couple of meltdowns when McCain lost the election and threatened to ban people who didn't vote for McCain.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976
The purpose of the legal system is to protect the elites from the wrath of those they plunder.- Elliott Jackalope
This is silly. A jetplane crashed into the building, and the building fractured at the point of impact.
It wasn't "fractured", it was pierced. The buildings were designed to withstand impacts by jet airliners.
Why are there no explosions seen every tenth floor? Who planted these explosives and when? Those buildings were some of the most used in the world. And again where is your evidence for this?
You tossed out a possible scenario, and so did I. We aren't FBI agents with the power to interrogate people nor do we have access to their data banks, so neither you nor I can possibly find out exactly "who, or when". However, there were MANY opportunities for such explosives to be placed, especially the weekend prior to the attacks where the buildings were powered down for "upgrades". There was maintenance performed on the elevator shafts the weeks and months before the attacks.
Additionally, there ARE more than a few videos which show material being ejected from floors BELOW the collapse, and there ARE bright flashes seen in windows in lower floors below the collapse as well.
And what they knew exactly where the point of impact would be? How silly. The core fell because it heated to the point where the steels tensile strength was lowered below the pressure applied to it.
If the planes were remote controlled they'd know. If the building was completely rigged it wouldn't matter. And steel takes more than a fraction of a second to heat to a point it fails. The lower 100 floors were undamaged and were at their maximum strength.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
Not that I was asked, but I would have to disagree with that statement. By the time Goldi began banning people, the forum had turned into a Ron Paul tit-for- tat forum, with the anti-Paul people posting anti-Paul threads and the pro-Paul people posting pro-Paul threads.
The ratio between valid Ron Paul articles and the crap from blogs which anti- Paul folks would post was substantial. I was speaking in relative terms. In fact, many of the "what Paul ate for lunch" articles WERE posted by the likes of padlock and such.
I agree with the rest of what you said though.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
LOL! Magickal Jet Fuel™. One time and one time only caused three skyscrapers to fall. Never before or since 9/11. Amazing.
Listen this shit is extremely easy to test. How hot can jet fuel accelerated fire get? At this temperature what is the fracture stress level of the steel used in the building? If you know the temperature, and the tensile strength, you can calculate what loan causes failure.
This is how normal scientists and engineers would test the claims. Instead you guys create bullshit youtube videos trying to only use netwons third law to analyze and extremely complicated event.
It wasn't "fractured", it was pierced. The buildings were designed to withstand impacts by jet airliners.
The building were designed to withstand smaller jet impacts. And it did survive the impact. It was the high temperature fire that took the towers down.
#1173. To: FormerLurker, TooConservative, all (#1151)
She [Goldi-Lox] used a BS excuse where I had told liberator to be careful what he was saying, as he had called for the assassination of the UN Secretary General. She claimed that I was threatening to turn him in where I hadn't, as was obvious to anyone who was reading that thread.
Well - I didn't call for your expulsion in the first place despite your sloppiness, but let's all go back (for those who actually care) and re-play the tape (your quotes are italicized) and let whomever decide exactly what transpired. In fact here is the entire thread:
Listen this shit is extremely easy to test. How hot can jet fuel accelerated fire get? At this temperature what is the fracture stress level of the steel used in the building? If you know the temperature, and the tensile strength, you can calculate what loan causes failure.
This is how normal scientists and engineers would test the claims. Instead you guys create bullshit youtube videos trying to only use netwons third law to analyze and extremely complicated event.
I have never created any youtube videos. If I could find out the formula for that Magickal Jet Fuel™ I would probably be tempted to make one. But then, knowing how powerful it is I doubt I would because I wouldn't want to be the cause of more skyscrapers falling.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Lord Acton
The building were designed to withstand smaller jet impacts. And it did survive the impact. It was the high temperature fire that took the towers down.
LOL! The Magickal Jet Fuel™. I knew you would get back to that. Aren't you glad they only made one batch of it? Your argument about how they were designed to withstand the impact of "smaller jets" is bs. They were designed to withstand the impacts of the biggest jets in commercial use at the time they were built.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Lord Acton
Afterall, your man Kofi and the rest of the UN's crime syndicate have been so effective is maintaining world peace...
(Sigh) What WOULD we do without them?
liberator posted on 2006-07-27 03:43:24 ET (1 image) Reply Trace
Well that missing picture certainly said a lot without words. Anyways, I wasn't blaming you, I was blaming Goldi as just using it as an excuse. I could go back and find the thread, but I do recall you had suggested the UN Secretary General be killed. In fact, wasn't your picture one of a plane crashing into the UN?
I think that's why I asked if you helped in the WTC attacks.
Anyways, it was a dumb thing for you to say (or suggest) since the forum IS monitored, just like any other forum is monitored. I thought you realized that afterwards when I spoke to you on LP, where Goldi had apparently felt bad about banning me and lifted the ban, just to reinstate it at Marguerite's request since I wouldn't back down and bend over for her boyfriend Byteshredder.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
The building were designed to withstand smaller jet impacts.
Wrong. The 707 has about the same weight and fuel capacity, and actually flies faster than the 767. The 767 was only carrying a bit less than half its fuel capacity BTW...
And it did survive the impact. It was the high temperature fire that took the towers down.
First off, the majority of the jet fuel burnt up in the first few minutes after impact, and most of it went up in the huge fireballs outside the buildings.
The fires were ordinary office fires, nothing magical about them.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
Oh and BTW liberator, our little spat over at LP started over you and others cheering the deaths of the UN observers, who besides being from allied countries such as Canada, could very well have been American (although they weren't in this particular instance). Remember, Reagan sent US Marines to Lebanon to keep the Isrealis from massacring women and children in refugee camps.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
I find that sort of ironic where I thought YOU were a NWO troll at the time.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
I could go back and find the thread, but I do recall you had suggested the UN Secretary General be killed... Anyways, it was a dumb thing for you to say (or suggest) since the forum IS monitored, just like any other forum is monitored.
Sure - everyone realizes forums are monitored; For the record, I suggested Kofi be "eliminated." That could be construed as "removed from his SG post," but I couldn't have cared less what happened to that corrupt, lying SOB.
As to what transpired afterwards, I wouldn't presume to know what or who an owner of any forum deems to be a liability since I (or you for that matter) aren't privy to whatever warnings are or aren't given. Sh*t happens - you know that.
First off, the majority of the jet fuel burnt up in the first few minutes after impact
The heat would still be absorbed by the building.
The fires were ordinary office fires, nothing magical about them.
I hardly call an accelerated office fire ordinary.
Look if the answer is so simple, why would they use this method to attack the towers? You are saying its so impossible that you don't even have to be an expert to know so.
Why do you think the government would use a cover story so absurd? There are hundreds of thousands of people who are qualified, and knowledgeable to recognize this. How is the government keeping all of them silent, and more importantly why use such an easily discarded cover?
You seem to believe they came up with a needlessly complicated, absurd unbelievable plan, and only a bunch of conspiracy theorists are smart enough to see it?
This requires our government to be: malicious enough to murder thousands smart enough to flawlessly pull it off with witnesses dumb enough to create a stupid able to keep it secrete, except for you guys
Oh and BTW liberator, our little spat over at LP started over you and others cheering the deaths of the UN observers, who besides being from allied countries such as Canada, could very well have been American (although they weren't in this particular instance).
Yes, they COULD have been Americans...
I've never made it a secret; I consider the UN to be corrupt subversives and a proxy armed force of the NWO.
Not if it burnt up OUTSIDE in the air. Besides, the fuel was spent in several minutes, the fires that raged inside were OFFICE fires that were ignited by the burning jet fuel.
They were nowhere hot enough to cause any structural failure within the time they burned prior to collapse, in fact, they were almost out towards the end.
Why do you think the government would use a cover story so absurd?
Because most people are stupid and they believe everything they're told, just as we witness to this day.
There are hundreds of thousands of people who are qualified, and knowledgeable to recognize this. How is the government keeping all of them silent, and more importantly why use such an easily discarded cover?
Many HAVE tried to come forward, only to be ignored or ridiculed.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
This requires our government to be: malicious enough to murder thousands
Not the ENTIRE government, just those in key positions who could facilitate such an event. There were more than likely OTHER governments involved as well.
There is a degree of evil which exists that you appear to be oblivious to.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
I consider the UN to be corrupt subversives and a proxy armed force of the NWO.
Most of the time, it is the US that bore the brunt of any UN action. Look at Korea for instance. I view the UN itself as a corrupt organization, but I don't cheer the deaths of soldiers of any nation who are simply doing their duty when their mission is just, such as protecting the lives of innocent people.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
You seem to believe they came up with a needlessly complicated, absurd unbelievable plan, and only a bunch of conspiracy theorists are smart enough to see it?
This requires our government to be: malicious enough to murder thousands smart enough to flawlessly pull it off with witnesses dumb enough to create a stupid able to keep it secrete, except for you guys... ...Come on.
No Rhino - YOU "come on."
You can't really be naive enough to believe the gubmint would NOT, nor does not sacrifice Americans' health and lives in exchange for mere money and power? As though the Kenyan sitting in the Oval Office isn't further evidence of A Fix?
9/11?? Exhibit "A" of absolute nonsensical baloney and contrived run-up to more BS - "Nation Building" in Iraq.
The most expensive "hit" in history? The one on Saddam.
But nope, you're right. They CARE about us; They reeeealy, REEEALLY care about us.
Bwaahaa!!Oh and btw - the days of the gubmint contriving "needlessly complicated, absurd unbelievable plans" is over. They now screw us out in the open and royally without such contrived wag-the-dog scripts; Witness the multi-trillion dollar thievery of the American people by the Congress and Presidents simply by referring to them as "crises."
I don't cheer the deaths of soldiers of any nation who are simply doing their duty when their mission is just, such as protecting the lives of innocent people.
Whereas even you aren't totally comfortable with the UN, we disagree on both UN "missions" and the definition of "innocent people." They unnecessarily stuck their big nose in Bosnia as well and murdered innocent people, but wouldn't protect Christians in the Sudan were they are still being slaughtered every day?? the UN is nothing but a front for the NWO and FOS "peace-keeping" organization.
In that particular case of the Lebanese, we aren't going to agree on the dynamics; The Terrorists were hiding behind the skirts of their own people and the UN, while I deemed the UN complicit and/or running interference.
Individually I may feel bad for the many innocents, but running interference for terrorists (who received NO flack for their cowardice) is/was a dangerous proposition.
Not the ENTIRE government, just those in key positions who could facilitate such an event. There were more than likely OTHER governments involved as well.
There is a degree of evil which exists that you appear to be oblivious to.
Individually I may feel bad for the many innocents, but running interference for terrorists (who received NO flack for their cowardice) is/was a dangerous proposition.
Thing is, Israel wasn't restricting their attacks to what could be called terrorists, they were attacking ANY Lebanese that happened to be in their way.
Hell, they were bombing Beirut as if they had declared war against Lebanon. The reasons given for the invasion were sketchy at best.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen