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That explosives were never even CONSIDERED by the government indicates they have something to hide, as terrorists are no strangers to explosives and had in fact tried to plant explosives in the WTC back in 1993. Oddly, the person who planted that explosive was an FBI informant.
This is silly. A jetplane crashed into the building, and the building fractured at the point of impact. Of course explosives where never seriously considered. Its like considering poisoning for the cause of death of JFK. There is no evidence to suggest explosives. The only evidence you even attempt to give is, its impossible the way the government claims therefore its explosives.
As far as your question concerning how it was done, and your theory of planting explosives in every floor, it would only need to be done every 10 floors, but every floor isn't impossible either.
Why are there no explosions seen every tenth floor? Who planted these explosives and when? Those buildings were some of the most used in the world. And again where is your evidence for this?
And since the core disappeared where it should have remained standing, it's not impossible for some classified weapon to have vaporized it, AND for high explosives planted in critical areas to cause the rest of the structure to collapse as it did.
And what they knew exactly where the point of impact would be? How silly. The core fell because it heated to the point where the steels tensile strength was lowered below the pressure applied to it.
And what they knew exactly where the point of impact would be? How silly. The core fell because it heated to the point where the steels tensile strength was lowered below the pressure applied to it.
LOL! Magickal Jet Fuel™. One time and one time only caused three skyscrapers to fall. Never before or since 9/11. Amazing.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Lord Acton
There was very little posted on LP in the way of legitimate Ron Paul articles, it was largely ANTI Ron Paul material that was being splattered all over LP, and there were only a handful of individuals doing so, yet THEY weren't banned, it was the sincere posters who were banned instead.
Not that I was asked, but I would have to disagree with that statement. By the time Goldi began banning people, the forum had turned into a Ron Paul tit-for- tat forum, with the anti-Paul people posting anti-Paul threads and the pro-Paul people posting pro-Paul threads. It became all-Ron, all the time. I will agree that it was instigated by the big government loving anti-Paulies like padlock, domer, yukon, Aunt Bee, etc.
Of course Goldi once again showed her true big government loving colors by banning pro-Paul articles and pro-Paul people while allowing anti-Paul articles and encouraging anti-Paul people. Hell, she even jumped on the anti-Paul bandwagon and participated on the anti-Paul threads.
She proved that all of her small government rhetoric was pure bullshit. Hell she even had a couple of meltdowns when McCain lost the election and threatened to ban people who didn't vote for McCain.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976
The purpose of the legal system is to protect the elites from the wrath of those they plunder.- Elliott Jackalope
This is silly. A jetplane crashed into the building, and the building fractured at the point of impact.
It wasn't "fractured", it was pierced. The buildings were designed to withstand impacts by jet airliners.
Why are there no explosions seen every tenth floor? Who planted these explosives and when? Those buildings were some of the most used in the world. And again where is your evidence for this?
You tossed out a possible scenario, and so did I. We aren't FBI agents with the power to interrogate people nor do we have access to their data banks, so neither you nor I can possibly find out exactly "who, or when". However, there were MANY opportunities for such explosives to be placed, especially the weekend prior to the attacks where the buildings were powered down for "upgrades". There was maintenance performed on the elevator shafts the weeks and months before the attacks.
Additionally, there ARE more than a few videos which show material being ejected from floors BELOW the collapse, and there ARE bright flashes seen in windows in lower floors below the collapse as well.
And what they knew exactly where the point of impact would be? How silly. The core fell because it heated to the point where the steels tensile strength was lowered below the pressure applied to it.
If the planes were remote controlled they'd know. If the building was completely rigged it wouldn't matter. And steel takes more than a fraction of a second to heat to a point it fails. The lower 100 floors were undamaged and were at their maximum strength.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
Not that I was asked, but I would have to disagree with that statement. By the time Goldi began banning people, the forum had turned into a Ron Paul tit-for- tat forum, with the anti-Paul people posting anti-Paul threads and the pro-Paul people posting pro-Paul threads.
The ratio between valid Ron Paul articles and the crap from blogs which anti- Paul folks would post was substantial. I was speaking in relative terms. In fact, many of the "what Paul ate for lunch" articles WERE posted by the likes of padlock and such.
I agree with the rest of what you said though.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
LOL! Magickal Jet Fuel™. One time and one time only caused three skyscrapers to fall. Never before or since 9/11. Amazing.
Listen this shit is extremely easy to test. How hot can jet fuel accelerated fire get? At this temperature what is the fracture stress level of the steel used in the building? If you know the temperature, and the tensile strength, you can calculate what loan causes failure.
This is how normal scientists and engineers would test the claims. Instead you guys create bullshit youtube videos trying to only use netwons third law to analyze and extremely complicated event.
It wasn't "fractured", it was pierced. The buildings were designed to withstand impacts by jet airliners.
The building were designed to withstand smaller jet impacts. And it did survive the impact. It was the high temperature fire that took the towers down.
#1173. To: FormerLurker, TooConservative, all (#1151)
She [Goldi-Lox] used a BS excuse where I had told liberator to be careful what he was saying, as he had called for the assassination of the UN Secretary General. She claimed that I was threatening to turn him in where I hadn't, as was obvious to anyone who was reading that thread.
Well - I didn't call for your expulsion in the first place despite your sloppiness, but let's all go back (for those who actually care) and re-play the tape (your quotes are italicized) and let whomever decide exactly what transpired. In fact here is the entire thread:
Listen this shit is extremely easy to test. How hot can jet fuel accelerated fire get? At this temperature what is the fracture stress level of the steel used in the building? If you know the temperature, and the tensile strength, you can calculate what loan causes failure.
This is how normal scientists and engineers would test the claims. Instead you guys create bullshit youtube videos trying to only use netwons third law to analyze and extremely complicated event.
I have never created any youtube videos. If I could find out the formula for that Magickal Jet Fuel™ I would probably be tempted to make one. But then, knowing how powerful it is I doubt I would because I wouldn't want to be the cause of more skyscrapers falling.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Lord Acton
The building were designed to withstand smaller jet impacts. And it did survive the impact. It was the high temperature fire that took the towers down.
LOL! The Magickal Jet Fuel™. I knew you would get back to that. Aren't you glad they only made one batch of it? Your argument about how they were designed to withstand the impact of "smaller jets" is bs. They were designed to withstand the impacts of the biggest jets in commercial use at the time they were built.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Lord Acton
Afterall, your man Kofi and the rest of the UN's crime syndicate have been so effective is maintaining world peace...
(Sigh) What WOULD we do without them?
liberator posted on 2006-07-27 03:43:24 ET (1 image) Reply Trace
Well that missing picture certainly said a lot without words. Anyways, I wasn't blaming you, I was blaming Goldi as just using it as an excuse. I could go back and find the thread, but I do recall you had suggested the UN Secretary General be killed. In fact, wasn't your picture one of a plane crashing into the UN?
I think that's why I asked if you helped in the WTC attacks.
Anyways, it was a dumb thing for you to say (or suggest) since the forum IS monitored, just like any other forum is monitored. I thought you realized that afterwards when I spoke to you on LP, where Goldi had apparently felt bad about banning me and lifted the ban, just to reinstate it at Marguerite's request since I wouldn't back down and bend over for her boyfriend Byteshredder.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
The building were designed to withstand smaller jet impacts.
Wrong. The 707 has about the same weight and fuel capacity, and actually flies faster than the 767. The 767 was only carrying a bit less than half its fuel capacity BTW...
And it did survive the impact. It was the high temperature fire that took the towers down.
First off, the majority of the jet fuel burnt up in the first few minutes after impact, and most of it went up in the huge fireballs outside the buildings.
The fires were ordinary office fires, nothing magical about them.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
Oh and BTW liberator, our little spat over at LP started over you and others cheering the deaths of the UN observers, who besides being from allied countries such as Canada, could very well have been American (although they weren't in this particular instance). Remember, Reagan sent US Marines to Lebanon to keep the Isrealis from massacring women and children in refugee camps.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
I find that sort of ironic where I thought YOU were a NWO troll at the time.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
I could go back and find the thread, but I do recall you had suggested the UN Secretary General be killed... Anyways, it was a dumb thing for you to say (or suggest) since the forum IS monitored, just like any other forum is monitored.
Sure - everyone realizes forums are monitored; For the record, I suggested Kofi be "eliminated." That could be construed as "removed from his SG post," but I couldn't have cared less what happened to that corrupt, lying SOB.
As to what transpired afterwards, I wouldn't presume to know what or who an owner of any forum deems to be a liability since I (or you for that matter) aren't privy to whatever warnings are or aren't given. Sh*t happens - you know that.
First off, the majority of the jet fuel burnt up in the first few minutes after impact
The heat would still be absorbed by the building.
The fires were ordinary office fires, nothing magical about them.
I hardly call an accelerated office fire ordinary.
Look if the answer is so simple, why would they use this method to attack the towers? You are saying its so impossible that you don't even have to be an expert to know so.
Why do you think the government would use a cover story so absurd? There are hundreds of thousands of people who are qualified, and knowledgeable to recognize this. How is the government keeping all of them silent, and more importantly why use such an easily discarded cover?
You seem to believe they came up with a needlessly complicated, absurd unbelievable plan, and only a bunch of conspiracy theorists are smart enough to see it?
This requires our government to be: malicious enough to murder thousands smart enough to flawlessly pull it off with witnesses dumb enough to create a stupid able to keep it secrete, except for you guys
Oh and BTW liberator, our little spat over at LP started over you and others cheering the deaths of the UN observers, who besides being from allied countries such as Canada, could very well have been American (although they weren't in this particular instance).
Yes, they COULD have been Americans...
I've never made it a secret; I consider the UN to be corrupt subversives and a proxy armed force of the NWO.
Not if it burnt up OUTSIDE in the air. Besides, the fuel was spent in several minutes, the fires that raged inside were OFFICE fires that were ignited by the burning jet fuel.
They were nowhere hot enough to cause any structural failure within the time they burned prior to collapse, in fact, they were almost out towards the end.
Why do you think the government would use a cover story so absurd?
Because most people are stupid and they believe everything they're told, just as we witness to this day.
There are hundreds of thousands of people who are qualified, and knowledgeable to recognize this. How is the government keeping all of them silent, and more importantly why use such an easily discarded cover?
Many HAVE tried to come forward, only to be ignored or ridiculed.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
This requires our government to be: malicious enough to murder thousands
Not the ENTIRE government, just those in key positions who could facilitate such an event. There were more than likely OTHER governments involved as well.
There is a degree of evil which exists that you appear to be oblivious to.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
I consider the UN to be corrupt subversives and a proxy armed force of the NWO.
Most of the time, it is the US that bore the brunt of any UN action. Look at Korea for instance. I view the UN itself as a corrupt organization, but I don't cheer the deaths of soldiers of any nation who are simply doing their duty when their mission is just, such as protecting the lives of innocent people.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
You seem to believe they came up with a needlessly complicated, absurd unbelievable plan, and only a bunch of conspiracy theorists are smart enough to see it?
This requires our government to be: malicious enough to murder thousands smart enough to flawlessly pull it off with witnesses dumb enough to create a stupid able to keep it secrete, except for you guys... ...Come on.
No Rhino - YOU "come on."
You can't really be naive enough to believe the gubmint would NOT, nor does not sacrifice Americans' health and lives in exchange for mere money and power? As though the Kenyan sitting in the Oval Office isn't further evidence of A Fix?
9/11?? Exhibit "A" of absolute nonsensical baloney and contrived run-up to more BS - "Nation Building" in Iraq.
The most expensive "hit" in history? The one on Saddam.
But nope, you're right. They CARE about us; They reeeealy, REEEALLY care about us.
Bwaahaa!!Oh and btw - the days of the gubmint contriving "needlessly complicated, absurd unbelievable plans" is over. They now screw us out in the open and royally without such contrived wag-the-dog scripts; Witness the multi-trillion dollar thievery of the American people by the Congress and Presidents simply by referring to them as "crises."
I don't cheer the deaths of soldiers of any nation who are simply doing their duty when their mission is just, such as protecting the lives of innocent people.
Whereas even you aren't totally comfortable with the UN, we disagree on both UN "missions" and the definition of "innocent people." They unnecessarily stuck their big nose in Bosnia as well and murdered innocent people, but wouldn't protect Christians in the Sudan were they are still being slaughtered every day?? the UN is nothing but a front for the NWO and FOS "peace-keeping" organization.
In that particular case of the Lebanese, we aren't going to agree on the dynamics; The Terrorists were hiding behind the skirts of their own people and the UN, while I deemed the UN complicit and/or running interference.
Individually I may feel bad for the many innocents, but running interference for terrorists (who received NO flack for their cowardice) is/was a dangerous proposition.
Not the ENTIRE government, just those in key positions who could facilitate such an event. There were more than likely OTHER governments involved as well.
There is a degree of evil which exists that you appear to be oblivious to.
Individually I may feel bad for the many innocents, but running interference for terrorists (who received NO flack for their cowardice) is/was a dangerous proposition.
Thing is, Israel wasn't restricting their attacks to what could be called terrorists, they were attacking ANY Lebanese that happened to be in their way.
Hell, they were bombing Beirut as if they had declared war against Lebanon. The reasons given for the invasion were sketchy at best.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
They are ridiculed for good reason, they aren't bringing evidence.
Have you even LOOKED at the list of people on that site? They are all HIGHLY respected individuals, and you can't bring evidence if it's been destroyed or classified.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
I don't believe the government cares for us, but I also don't believe it would risk murdering thousands of Americans.
There have been more US troops killed in Iraq than the number of Americans killed in the 9/11 attacks. There have been MANY times that who were injured.
Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
It doesn't take most people. It takes one well respected civil engineer to blow it wide open.
That one respected engineer would be ignored by the media, thus you would never hear anything about it, or would ridicule him if someone were to post an article about it.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#1197. To: FormerLurker, palo verde, sneakypete (#1163)
There was very little posted on LP in the way of legitimate Ron Paul articles, it was largely ANTI Ron Paul material that was being splattered all over LP, and there were only a handful of individuals doing so, yet THEY weren't banned, it was the sincere posters who were banned instead.
I watched it closely and didn't have that impression. At that time, I was still at FR, being pro-Ron until I got banned and followed the Yellow Brick Road to Goldi's place.
There was a period at LP and many other sites when the RPF kids just absolutely bombed the sidebar with RP articles. You'd see half a dozen in a row in Breaking News. No site should put up with that unless that is what the forum owner wants the site to be. Forum-jacking is not really an exercise in free speech.
Then Goldi kicked them off and tried to forbid RP articles, in part because she was getting lots of complaints from her established posters who had been there for years, among whom were a some neocon troll types.
For established posters who didn't troll the sidebars posting RP articles 24/7, we could post RP threads in reasonable number and Goldi didn't care. We'd still take flack from the neocon elements, mostly those who claim to be ex-military or from posters with heavy pro-Israel tendencies.
But you did have a constant stream of anti-RP stuff, from blog sites created just to libel Ron Paul, pretty much one of these every day. This continued long after RP's campaign ended, seeming to attempt to smother any ongoing RP movement like Campaign For Liberty in its crib. This was very deliberate, suspected by many to be an Eric Dondero operation, probably paid a hundred bucks a week by some RNC weenie to do it from his mom's basement. Why those obvious Paul-hater threads were tolerated is beyond me. Of course, the usual neocon elements jumped on every one of them to drive their post counts up. So it wasn't exactly consistent to allow Paul-hater spam threads after Goldi dumped most of the Paul-lover spam threads. OTOH, Goldi obviously did not spend that much time moderating her forum and she is not a web geek so some of this stuff that would get flushed rapidly from a site like FR where they have more technical sophistication and time to detect and block trolling isn't something Goldi could be expected to do as a sole moderator of limited technical means and expertise. I assume she does try to have a real life along with a real job.
If you wanted to see real hypocrisy and bizarre operations of a forum against RP and his supporters, FR absolutely took the prize. They'd find the most libelous crap they could, bump it to the top of Breaking News and glue it there for a week manually in code just to libel him. Lots of longtime freepers, most of them not RP supporters, were just kind of in jaw-dropped amazement when they saw this kind of venom. That was only one example of their little tricks, the operation of the neocon harpy element against RP supporters, etc. And we RP folk were determined to proceed. It was all quite strange to see FR, the officially designated message forum for the Republican Liberty Caucus (rlc.org) actually persecuting Ron Paul, the candidate it was founded to support and to help elect others like him to public office. Those kids over at RPF used to watch this stuff and just go nuts but of course they were all locked out of FR since a single pro-RP post at FR by a newbie would draw an immediate ban.
FR broke new ground in forum dishonesty and character assassination on RP's candidacy. They also really mistreated the Romney folk though I can grasp not trusting the Mittster but to allow any thread about him to turn into a Mormon-bash? FR had a religion forum for that but all the rules against Mormon-bashing were suspended apparently because JimRob hated him so much. The same JimRob that was an Alan Keyes true believer back when and a big Fred supporter (they actually registered FredRepublic.com and pointed it at FR), well, given JimRob's background as a registered Dim, you do have to wonder "Pied Piper" when you observe some of this crap.
At any rate, I have no idea of Goldi's exact motives and thinking on all of these things. It is a little too easy to sit out here with our little favorite causes or hated causes and judge everything a mod or forum owner does through that prism and demand that the mods dedicate their lives to delivering some kind of perfect consistency by a standard we probably wouldn't be able to apply ourselves to our buddies' satisfaction. The trolls and disruptor types are quite clever and very persistent.
A major part of the problems you see with all this stuff is the lack of a persistent and verifiable online ID system, a relatively unhackable one with proper encrypted security certificates. These forums would be far easier to control if that were the case. It would help eliminate trolls and poseurs and cheap tricks to hold multiple IDs on the same forum, etc. OTOH, you might think twice about joining these forums or posting on them if you knew that your real identity was known and could be traced, by the forum owner or by various government entities.
old LP post: Hmmm. Secret Service might be interested in talking with you. Don't be surprised when then come visit...
You'll recall credible reports in the old days back at FR where several people did get such visits. Generally, it was for direct threats against Xlinton and those were the kinds of threats that were pretty blatant.
I always avoid those who make such blatant threats. Even if they are sober (often not) and capable (rarely), their attempts to organize or take any action would immediately be infiltrated and they have already opened themselves to the usual FBI blackmailing and would be easily turned to work as informants or provocateurs or leader elements that would introduce actual agents into the organization. It's not as though the operations and methods of federal agents in this regard are unknown (civil rights organizations, radicals like Black Panthers, the Klan, the Birchers, the Commies, the labor unions, Mafia, etc.).
Of course, merely knowing that someone from a forum you're on has been visited by officials has quite a chilling effect on speech and association, perhaps the intended result. Certainly, not every person making wild remarks received a visit but you noticed quite a decline in such threats once posters grasped that they might hear the knock of the S.S. on their door.
Christine...the WTC was not steel framed. What "gave way" were the floor suspension trusses between the two support structures. Any theory that holds at its core that the WTC was steel framed is fatally flawed from the onset.
Of course, merely knowing that someone from a forum you're on has been visited by officials has quite a chilling effect on speech and association, perhaps the intended result.
IIRC, Fred was paid a visit over some nonsense that went nowhere. The further along this ball of socialism rolls down hill the more likely the asshats will try and silence people. Pure Nazi scare tactics, but they will chill some no doubt.
Barry Jennings stepped forward, shared the truth and now he's dead.
And these fucking 'tards can't even accept the fact their government is illegal and murderous.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
IIRC, Fred was paid a visit over some nonsense that went nowhere.
My recollection was someone made remarks about a high-powered rifle and being ready for a visit by Xlinton to his area. They got a visit from the S.S. the day of or the day before Xlinton got there. They reported it on FR.
People who say or write such things get a S.S. dossier and are routinely watched by the S.S. when the president is visiting within a few hundred miles of their location.
I've seen you online for years at various forums. I thought you were consistent in your handle. I also saw this liberator, never thought the two of you were the same person. No telltale speech patterns, you're also more polite to people when you're arguing your points in a heated discussion.
Of course, if I am a Real Life Secret Jew, then maybe I'm just providing cover for you with this post. LOL.
