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Title: The thread that's changed its focus from the original title. Carry on ;)
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Published: Mar 21, 2009
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Post Date: 2009-03-21 08:19:06 by Itistoolate
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#1189. To: FormerLurker (#1187)
I don't cheer the deaths of soldiers of any nation who are simply doing their duty when their mission is just, such as protecting the lives of innocent people.

Whereas even you aren't totally comfortable with the UN, we disagree on both UN "missions" and the definition of "innocent people." They unnecessarily stuck their big nose in Bosnia as well and murdered innocent people, but wouldn't protect Christians in the Sudan were they are still being slaughtered every day?? the UN is nothing but a front for the NWO and FOS "peace-keeping" organization.
In that particular case of the Lebanese, we aren't going to agree on the dynamics; The Terrorists were hiding behind the skirts of their own people and the UN, while I deemed the UN complicit and/or running interference.
Individually I may feel bad for the many innocents, but running interference for terrorists (who received NO flack for their cowardice) is/was a dangerous proposition.

Liberator posted on 2009-03-24 12:39:21 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1190. To: FormerLurker, Rhino369 (#1186)
Not the ENTIRE government, just those in key positions who could facilitate such an event. There were more than likely OTHER governments involved as well.
There is a degree of evil which exists that you appear to be oblivious to.

I concur.

Liberator posted on 2009-03-24 12:40:04 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1191. To: F16Fighter (#1189)
Individually I may feel bad for the many innocents, but running interference for terrorists (who received NO flack for their cowardice) is/was a dangerous proposition.

Thing is, Israel wasn't restricting their attacks to what could be called terrorists, they were attacking ANY Lebanese that happened to be in their way.
Hell, they were bombing Beirut as if they had declared war against Lebanon. The reasons given for the invasion were sketchy at best.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-03-24 12:48:15 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1192. To: FormerLurker (#1185)

Because most people are stupid and they believe everything they're told, just as we witness to this day.

It doesn't take most people. It takes one well respected civil engineer to blow it wide open.

Many HAVE tried to come forward, only to be ignored or ridiculed.

Ever hear of these folks?

They are ridiculed for good reason, they aren't bringing evidence.

Rhino369 posted on 2009-03-24 13:05:48 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1193. To: F16Fighter (#1188)
I don't believe the government cares for us, but I also don't believe it would risk murdering thousands of Americans.
I do believe it will exploit the murder of thousands of Americans. That much is clear.

Rhino369 posted on 2009-03-24 13:08:28 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1194. To: Rhino369 (#1192)
They are ridiculed for good reason, they aren't bringing evidence.

Have you even LOOKED at the list of people on that site? They are all HIGHLY respected individuals, and you can't bring evidence if it's been destroyed or classified.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-03-24 13:15:39 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1195. To: Rhino369 (#1193)
I don't believe the government cares for us, but I also don't believe it would risk murdering thousands of Americans.

There have been more US troops killed in Iraq than the number of Americans killed in the 9/11 attacks. There have been MANY times that who were injured.
Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-03-24 13:16:53 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1196. To: Rhino369 (#1192)
It doesn't take most people. It takes one well respected civil engineer to blow it wide open.

That one respected engineer would be ignored by the media, thus you would never hear anything about it, or would ridicule him if someone were to post an article about it.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-03-24 13:18:08 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1197. To: FormerLurker, palo verde, sneakypete (#1163)
There was very little posted on LP in the way of legitimate Ron Paul articles, it was largely ANTI Ron Paul material that was being splattered all over LP, and there were only a handful of individuals doing so, yet THEY weren't banned, it was the sincere posters who were banned instead.

I watched it closely and didn't have that impression. At that time, I was still at FR, being pro-Ron until I got banned and followed the Yellow Brick Road to Goldi's place.
There was a period at LP and many other sites when the RPF kids just absolutely bombed the sidebar with RP articles. You'd see half a dozen in a row in Breaking News. No site should put up with that unless that is what the forum owner wants the site to be. Forum-jacking is not really an exercise in free speech.
Then Goldi kicked them off and tried to forbid RP articles, in part because she was getting lots of complaints from her established posters who had been there for years, among whom were a some neocon troll types.
For established posters who didn't troll the sidebars posting RP articles 24/7, we could post RP threads in reasonable number and Goldi didn't care. We'd still take flack from the neocon elements, mostly those who claim to be ex-military or from posters with heavy pro-Israel tendencies.
But you did have a constant stream of anti-RP stuff, from blog sites created just to libel Ron Paul, pretty much one of these every day. This continued long after RP's campaign ended, seeming to attempt to smother any ongoing RP movement like Campaign For Liberty in its crib. This was very deliberate, suspected by many to be an Eric Dondero operation, probably paid a hundred bucks a week by some RNC weenie to do it from his mom's basement. Why those obvious Paul-hater threads were tolerated is beyond me. Of course, the usual neocon elements jumped on every one of them to drive their post counts up. So it wasn't exactly consistent to allow Paul-hater spam threads after Goldi dumped most of the Paul-lover spam threads. OTOH, Goldi obviously did not spend that much time moderating her forum and she is not a web geek so some of this stuff that would get flushed rapidly from a site like FR where they have more technical sophistication and time to detect and block trolling isn't something Goldi could be expected to do as a sole moderator of limited technical means and expertise. I assume she does try to have a real life along with a real job.
If you wanted to see real hypocrisy and bizarre operations of a forum against RP and his supporters, FR absolutely took the prize. They'd find the most libelous crap they could, bump it to the top of Breaking News and glue it there for a week manually in code just to libel him. Lots of longtime freepers, most of them not RP supporters, were just kind of in jaw-dropped amazement when they saw this kind of venom. That was only one example of their little tricks, the operation of the neocon harpy element against RP supporters, etc. And we RP folk were determined to proceed. It was all quite strange to see FR, the officially designated message forum for the Republican Liberty Caucus (rlc.org) actually persecuting Ron Paul, the candidate it was founded to support and to help elect others like him to public office. Those kids over at RPF used to watch this stuff and just go nuts but of course they were all locked out of FR since a single pro-RP post at FR by a newbie would draw an immediate ban.
FR broke new ground in forum dishonesty and character assassination on RP's candidacy. They also really mistreated the Romney folk though I can grasp not trusting the Mittster but to allow any thread about him to turn into a Mormon-bash? FR had a religion forum for that but all the rules against Mormon-bashing were suspended apparently because JimRob hated him so much. The same JimRob that was an Alan Keyes true believer back when and a big Fred supporter (they actually registered FredRepublic.com and pointed it at FR), well, given JimRob's background as a registered Dim, you do have to wonder "Pied Piper" when you observe some of this crap.
At any rate, I have no idea of Goldi's exact motives and thinking on all of these things. It is a little too easy to sit out here with our little favorite causes or hated causes and judge everything a mod or forum owner does through that prism and demand that the mods dedicate their lives to delivering some kind of perfect consistency by a standard we probably wouldn't be able to apply ourselves to our buddies' satisfaction. The trolls and disruptor types are quite clever and very persistent.
A major part of the problems you see with all this stuff is the lack of a persistent and verifiable online ID system, a relatively unhackable one with proper encrypted security certificates. These forums would be far easier to control if that were the case. It would help eliminate trolls and poseurs and cheap tricks to hold multiple IDs on the same forum, etc. OTOH, you might think twice about joining these forums or posting on them if you knew that your real identity was known and could be traced, by the forum owner or by various government entities.

TooConservative posted on 2009-03-24 13:21:31 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1198. To: Rhino369 (#1152)
Have you seen 911 Mysteries: Demolitions?
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=- 8172271955308136871

christine posted on 2009-03-24 13:21:33 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1199. To: F16Fighter (#1173)
old LP post: Hmmm. Secret Service might be interested in talking with you. Don't be surprised when then come visit...

You'll recall credible reports in the old days back at FR where several people did get such visits. Generally, it was for direct threats against Xlinton and those were the kinds of threats that were pretty blatant.
I always avoid those who make such blatant threats. Even if they are sober (often not) and capable (rarely), their attempts to organize or take any action would immediately be infiltrated and they have already opened themselves to the usual FBI blackmailing and would be easily turned to work as informants or provocateurs or leader elements that would introduce actual agents into the organization. It's not as though the operations and methods of federal agents in this regard are unknown (civil rights organizations, radicals like Black Panthers, the Klan, the Birchers, the Commies, the labor unions, Mafia, etc.).
Of course, merely knowing that someone from a forum you're on has been visited by officials has quite a chilling effect on speech and association, perhaps the intended result. Certainly, not every person making wild remarks received a visit but you noticed quite a decline in such threats once posters grasped that they might hear the knock of the S.S. on their door.

TooConservative posted on 2009-03-24 13:31:21 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1200. To: FormerLurker (#1164)
I've posted a multitude of items that you CAN NOT refute

Christine deleted those posts because the remaining record here PROVES that you have been rebutted on each and everyone of your "items".

war posted on 2009-03-24 13:33:20 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1201. To: christine (#1198)
Christine...the WTC was not steel framed. What "gave way" were the floor suspension trusses between the two support structures. Any theory that holds at its core that the WTC was steel framed is fatally flawed from the onset.

war posted on 2009-03-24 13:38:06 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1202. To: TooConservative, Fred Mertz (#1199)
Of course, merely knowing that someone from a forum you're on has been visited by officials has quite a chilling effect on speech and association, perhaps the intended result.

IIRC, Fred was paid a visit over some nonsense that went nowhere. The further along this ball of socialism rolls down hill the more likely the asshats will try and silence people. Pure Nazi scare tactics, but they will chill some no doubt.

Jethro Tull posted on 2009-03-24 13:40:25 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1203. To: christine (#1198)
Barry Jennings stepped forward, shared the truth and now he's dead.
And these fucking 'tards can't even accept the fact their government is illegal and murderous.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara posted on 2009-03-24 13:48:41 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1204. To: Jethro Tull (#1202)
IIRC, Fred was paid a visit over some nonsense that went nowhere.

My recollection was someone made remarks about a high-powered rifle and being ready for a visit by Xlinton to his area. They got a visit from the S.S. the day of or the day before Xlinton got there. They reported it on FR.
People who say or write such things get a S.S. dossier and are routinely watched by the S.S. when the president is visiting within a few hundred miles of their location.

TooConservative posted on 2009-03-24 14:11:12 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1205. To: F16Fighter (#1173)
You're actually liberator? Like I'm a Jew?
4um is fun little spot.
I've seen you online for years at various forums. I thought you were consistent in your handle. I also saw this liberator, never thought the two of you were the same person. No telltale speech patterns, you're also more polite to people when you're arguing your points in a heated discussion.
Of course, if I am a Real Life Secret Jew, then maybe I'm just providing cover for you with this post. LOL.

TooConservative posted on 2009-03-24 14:17:19 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1206. To: Rhino369 (#1178)
So you don't understand the physics behind it but you just know its wrong? You have an irrational belief about 9-11.

Well, if it is "irrational" not to believe the government's stupid, outlandish "conspiracy theory" I guess I would have to say I am guilty of that.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
James Deffenbach posted on 2009-03-24 14:21:44 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1207. To: FormerLurker (#1185)
Because most people are stupid and they believe everything they're told, just as we witness to this day.

Exactly. Some folks will believe anything so long as "de gubmint" told 'em.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
James Deffenbach posted on 2009-03-24 14:31:38 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1208. To: F16Fighter (#1189)
Whereas even you aren't totally comfortable with the UN, we disagree on both UN "missions" and the definition of "innocent people." They unnecessarily stuck their big nose in Bosnia as well and murdered innocent people, but wouldn't protect Christians in the Sudan were they are still being slaughtered every day?? the UN is nothing but a front for the NWO and FOS "peace-keeping" organization.

I hate the UN with a burning passion and have never made a secret of it on any board I have ever posted on. I wouldn't care if it blew up and broke up into so many parts that the largest one would fit comfortably in a matchbox--a SMALL matchbox.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
James Deffenbach posted on 2009-03-24 14:34:28 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1209. To: Rhino369 (#1193)
I also don't believe it would risk murdering thousands of Americans.

D#mn! Never heard of Vietnam?
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
James Deffenbach posted on 2009-03-24 14:35:49 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1210. To: FormerLurker, sneakypete, farmfriend, TooConservative, Cynicom (#1143)
She banned anyone who "was recruiting for another forum", farmfriend mentioned 4um, and was banned shortly afterwards.

Wow, thanks. You are correct, she was doing a purge at the time.
For what it's worth, I believe the real reason I was banned was my association at the time with Brer Rabbit. He was banned a day or two before I was.
"Controlling carbon is a bureaucrat's dream. If you control carbon, you control life." — Dr. Richard Lindzen, MIT Professor of Meteorology
farmfriend posted on 2009-03-24 14:36:37 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1211. To: James Deffenbach (#1206)
What I know for sure is enough to figger out the rest. Of course, I don't worship big government and I'm not a world socialist anti-christ lover either. ;-)
1) The intercept mission was corrupted at precisely the most in-opportune time - but never mind the fact they were off training to stop..wait for it..PLANES FLYING INTO BUIDINGS !
2) There is eyewitness confirmation that explosives were present and used simultaneous with the planes attacking - including ONE whose eyewitness testimony INSIDE WTC 7 was SO damaging that he's now dead. (try to spin this, please)
3) A half dozen or MORE foreign government officials have gone on record stating they KNEW the attack was coming and in turn our goobermint KNEW it was coming.
4) Osama bin Laden has been used as a CIA / ameriKan asset for almost 3 decades !
5) The massacre was clearly used to complete the NWO through UNdeclared wars based on the 911 lie !
6) The 911 Commission completely whitewashed numerous damning facts which incriminated elected members of the federal government, the armed forces and our intelligence community !
I don't even have to go further - like the targets inside the buildings themselves that were 'purged' from any further scrutiny, Ted Olson lying point blank about his wife Barbara and an inflight phone call, bush-cheney-bin laden connections, etc.
There are so many dots to connect that only a damned liar or fool would deny the truth of 911.
NWO false flag event

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara posted on 2009-03-24 14:41:06 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1212. To: James Deffenbach (#1208)
I hate the UN with a burning passion and have never made a secret of it on any board I have ever posted on. I wouldn't care if it blew up and broke up into so many parts that the largest one would fit comfortably in a matchbox--a SMALL matchbox.

bottom of a thimble

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara posted on 2009-03-24 14:41:43 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1213. To: James Deffenbach (#1207)
Exactly. Some folks will believe anything so long as "de gubmint" told 'em.

Their delusion is very strong.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara posted on 2009-03-24 14:42:14 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1214. To: TooConservative, FormerLurker, christine (#1147)
OTOH, I do grasp that disruptors will sometimes try to ruin another forum or poach posters from another forum. So if I were a mod or forum owner and saw that happening, I would warn them and then ban them.

But that is not what I was doing and even said so on the forum. Remember she claimed I made an announcement I never made.
The reality was that I was posting on at least 5 forums at the time including LF. I even had two of my own! Still do. I always talked about other forums I was posting on.
I had caught ByteShredder plagerizing my friends work. He started posting death threats to me. Though I didn't take them serious something needed to be done about it. I had complained to Goldi in email. She said on the forum she was having email problems and hadn't seen the email. I told her that I would give her time to deal with it. Mean while I would post elsewhere.
The purging of memebers at LP, mind you I signed up within the first two months it was up, was resulting in a lot of people moving over here. Many I considered friends. I signed up here and started posting. I had told someone on LP, I don't remember who, that I was posting here until Goldi had time to deal with my complaint. This is what she twisted into an announcement I was leaving. The posts are archived on this forum somewhere. Yukon twisted one of my posts into recruiting for 4um. It was removed and I was banned.
Byteshredder still posts at LP with immunity.
"Controlling carbon is a bureaucrat's dream. If you control carbon, you control life." — Dr. Richard Lindzen, MIT Professor of Meteorology
farmfriend posted on 2009-03-24 14:49:00 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1215. To: Rotara (#1211)
There are so many dots to connect that only a damned liar or fool would deny the truth of 911.

Now that is a fine summation.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
James Deffenbach posted on 2009-03-24 14:58:59 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1216. To: Rotara (#1212)
bottom of a thimble

A Thumbelina (sp?) thimble.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
James Deffenbach posted on 2009-03-24 14:59:41 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1217. To: Rotara (#1213)
Their delusion is very strong.

And their alleged minds very weak.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
James Deffenbach posted on 2009-03-24 15:00:19 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1218. To: farmfriend (#1214)
I had caught ByteShredder plagerizing my friends work. He started posting death threats to me.

That should be a permanent auto-ban on any forum, no matter who posts it, no matter how drunk they are. Death threats aren't free speech, they're speech intended to stop free speech.

The purging of memebers at LP, mind you I signed up within the first two months it was up, was resulting in a lot of people moving over here. Many I considered friends. I signed up here and started posting. I had told someone on LP, I don't remember who, that I was posting here until Goldi had time to deal with my complaint. This is what she twisted into an announcement I was leaving. The posts are archived on this forum somewhere. Yukon twisted one of my posts into recruiting for 4um. It was removed and I was banned.

Bans can be arbitrary and often are.

Byteshredder still posts at LP with immunity.

I've hardly noticed him, maybe we don't have the same interests.

TooConservative posted on 2009-03-24 15:14:40 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1219. To: FormerLurker, farmfriend, Brian S (#1143)
FWIW< I don't believe that farmfriend was banned unless she did so via email.
I do know that Brian S was banned.

war posted on 2009-03-24 15:39:54 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1220. To: FormerLurker (#1150)
The steel columns are a mystery as they should have remained standing

What steel columns?

war posted on 2009-03-24 15:41:30 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1221. To: war, FormerLurker, Brian S (#1219)
FWIW< I don't believe that farmfriend was banned unless she did so via email.

So now you as well as sneakypete are calling me a liar?
Goldi herself said I was banned on the open forum!
FF was banned for trolling for members for another forum after announcing she was leaving to go there. (She likely only was another day or so here. Damage control.)
As I said before, I made no such announcement.
"Controlling carbon is a bureaucrat's dream. If you control carbon, you control life." — Dr. Richard Lindzen, MIT Professor of Meteorology
farmfriend posted on 2009-03-24 15:56:30 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1222. To: war (#1220)
What steel columns?

Those which were part of the steel core.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-03-24 16:15:25 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1223. To: farmfriend (#1221)
I was banned by the raving bagel for indirectly referencing Ron Paul when she was on one of her little crying jags. I consider it a badge-of-honor to be banned from El-Pee for choosing Ron Paul over McStain.
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X-15 posted on 2009-03-24 16:16:01 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1224. To: farmfriend (#1221)
As I said before, I made no such announcement.

Stupid question: Did you ever try to log back in?
The last exchange over there between you and Goldi was her pulling a comment of yours.
And, trust me, I was not calling you a liar...just seeking clarification based upon my own. I apologize if you believed that was my intent.

war posted on 2009-03-24 16:18:08 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1225. To: FormerLurker (#1222)
Those which were part of the steel core.

What makes you believ that they should have been left standing? You do know that they were sectional? You do know that they were tapered?

war posted on 2009-03-24 16:19:18 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1226. To: war (#1200)
Christine deleted those posts because the remaining record here PROVES that you have been rebutted on each and everyone of your "items".

You're a liar war, and I think most rational people can see that.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-03-24 16:19:23 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1227. To: FormerLurker (#1226)
You're a liar war, and I think most rational people can see that.

Which "items" do you believe have not been rebutted?

war posted on 2009-03-24 16:23:56 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1228. To: X-15 (#1223)
I was banned by the raving bagel for indirectly referencing Ron Paul

Didn't you advocate spamming Ron Paul articles onto the forum?

war posted on 2009-03-24 16:26:56 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1229. To: war (#1225)
What makes you believ that they should have been left standing?

For one, it is highly unlikely the supporting bolts and rods holding the trusses onto the core would have been strong enough to rip the core apart. If the floors pancaked then the floors should have slid over the core. However, there wasn't much left to slide since the upper floors pulverized as they collapsed, so there was not enough energy to cause a collapse of the lower floors in the first place.
Thus, not only should the core have remained standing, but the 100 or so UNDAMAGED floors of both towers should have survived the collapse of the upper structure of both buildings, except for perhaps the top section of the remaining undamaged structures.
And sure, the top was tapered, BUT strong enough to hold most of the weight of the WTC structure at that level. In fact, it was highly improbable for a total collapse even at the damaged section to occur at all.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-03-24 16:28:52 ET Reply Trace Private Reply

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