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Title: The thread that's changed its focus from the original title. Carry on ;)
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Published: Mar 21, 2009
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Post Date: 2009-03-21 08:19:06 by Itistoolate
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#1202. To: TooConservative, Fred Mertz (#1199)
Of course, merely knowing that someone from a forum you're on has been visited by officials has quite a chilling effect on speech and association, perhaps the intended result.

IIRC, Fred was paid a visit over some nonsense that went nowhere. The further along this ball of socialism rolls down hill the more likely the asshats will try and silence people. Pure Nazi scare tactics, but they will chill some no doubt.

Jethro Tull posted on 2009-03-24 13:40:25 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1203. To: christine (#1198)
Barry Jennings stepped forward, shared the truth and now he's dead.
And these fucking 'tards can't even accept the fact their government is illegal and murderous.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara posted on 2009-03-24 13:48:41 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1204. To: Jethro Tull (#1202)
IIRC, Fred was paid a visit over some nonsense that went nowhere.

My recollection was someone made remarks about a high-powered rifle and being ready for a visit by Xlinton to his area. They got a visit from the S.S. the day of or the day before Xlinton got there. They reported it on FR.
People who say or write such things get a S.S. dossier and are routinely watched by the S.S. when the president is visiting within a few hundred miles of their location.

TooConservative posted on 2009-03-24 14:11:12 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1205. To: F16Fighter (#1173)
You're actually liberator? Like I'm a Jew?
4um is fun little spot.
I've seen you online for years at various forums. I thought you were consistent in your handle. I also saw this liberator, never thought the two of you were the same person. No telltale speech patterns, you're also more polite to people when you're arguing your points in a heated discussion.
Of course, if I am a Real Life Secret Jew, then maybe I'm just providing cover for you with this post. LOL.

TooConservative posted on 2009-03-24 14:17:19 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1206. To: Rhino369 (#1178)
So you don't understand the physics behind it but you just know its wrong? You have an irrational belief about 9-11.

Well, if it is "irrational" not to believe the government's stupid, outlandish "conspiracy theory" I guess I would have to say I am guilty of that.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
James Deffenbach posted on 2009-03-24 14:21:44 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1207. To: FormerLurker (#1185)
Because most people are stupid and they believe everything they're told, just as we witness to this day.

Exactly. Some folks will believe anything so long as "de gubmint" told 'em.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
James Deffenbach posted on 2009-03-24 14:31:38 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1208. To: F16Fighter (#1189)
Whereas even you aren't totally comfortable with the UN, we disagree on both UN "missions" and the definition of "innocent people." They unnecessarily stuck their big nose in Bosnia as well and murdered innocent people, but wouldn't protect Christians in the Sudan were they are still being slaughtered every day?? the UN is nothing but a front for the NWO and FOS "peace-keeping" organization.

I hate the UN with a burning passion and have never made a secret of it on any board I have ever posted on. I wouldn't care if it blew up and broke up into so many parts that the largest one would fit comfortably in a matchbox--a SMALL matchbox.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
James Deffenbach posted on 2009-03-24 14:34:28 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1209. To: Rhino369 (#1193)
I also don't believe it would risk murdering thousands of Americans.

D#mn! Never heard of Vietnam?
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
James Deffenbach posted on 2009-03-24 14:35:49 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1210. To: FormerLurker, sneakypete, farmfriend, TooConservative, Cynicom (#1143)
She banned anyone who "was recruiting for another forum", farmfriend mentioned 4um, and was banned shortly afterwards.

Wow, thanks. You are correct, she was doing a purge at the time.
For what it's worth, I believe the real reason I was banned was my association at the time with Brer Rabbit. He was banned a day or two before I was.
"Controlling carbon is a bureaucrat's dream. If you control carbon, you control life." — Dr. Richard Lindzen, MIT Professor of Meteorology
farmfriend posted on 2009-03-24 14:36:37 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1211. To: James Deffenbach (#1206)
What I know for sure is enough to figger out the rest. Of course, I don't worship big government and I'm not a world socialist anti-christ lover either. ;-)
1) The intercept mission was corrupted at precisely the most in-opportune time - but never mind the fact they were off training to stop..wait for it..PLANES FLYING INTO BUIDINGS !
2) There is eyewitness confirmation that explosives were present and used simultaneous with the planes attacking - including ONE whose eyewitness testimony INSIDE WTC 7 was SO damaging that he's now dead. (try to spin this, please)
3) A half dozen or MORE foreign government officials have gone on record stating they KNEW the attack was coming and in turn our goobermint KNEW it was coming.
4) Osama bin Laden has been used as a CIA / ameriKan asset for almost 3 decades !
5) The massacre was clearly used to complete the NWO through UNdeclared wars based on the 911 lie !
6) The 911 Commission completely whitewashed numerous damning facts which incriminated elected members of the federal government, the armed forces and our intelligence community !
I don't even have to go further - like the targets inside the buildings themselves that were 'purged' from any further scrutiny, Ted Olson lying point blank about his wife Barbara and an inflight phone call, bush-cheney-bin laden connections, etc.
There are so many dots to connect that only a damned liar or fool would deny the truth of 911.
NWO false flag event

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara posted on 2009-03-24 14:41:06 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1212. To: James Deffenbach (#1208)
I hate the UN with a burning passion and have never made a secret of it on any board I have ever posted on. I wouldn't care if it blew up and broke up into so many parts that the largest one would fit comfortably in a matchbox--a SMALL matchbox.

bottom of a thimble

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara posted on 2009-03-24 14:41:43 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1213. To: James Deffenbach (#1207)
Exactly. Some folks will believe anything so long as "de gubmint" told 'em.

Their delusion is very strong.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara posted on 2009-03-24 14:42:14 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1214. To: TooConservative, FormerLurker, christine (#1147)
OTOH, I do grasp that disruptors will sometimes try to ruin another forum or poach posters from another forum. So if I were a mod or forum owner and saw that happening, I would warn them and then ban them.

But that is not what I was doing and even said so on the forum. Remember she claimed I made an announcement I never made.
The reality was that I was posting on at least 5 forums at the time including LF. I even had two of my own! Still do. I always talked about other forums I was posting on.
I had caught ByteShredder plagerizing my friends work. He started posting death threats to me. Though I didn't take them serious something needed to be done about it. I had complained to Goldi in email. She said on the forum she was having email problems and hadn't seen the email. I told her that I would give her time to deal with it. Mean while I would post elsewhere.
The purging of memebers at LP, mind you I signed up within the first two months it was up, was resulting in a lot of people moving over here. Many I considered friends. I signed up here and started posting. I had told someone on LP, I don't remember who, that I was posting here until Goldi had time to deal with my complaint. This is what she twisted into an announcement I was leaving. The posts are archived on this forum somewhere. Yukon twisted one of my posts into recruiting for 4um. It was removed and I was banned.
Byteshredder still posts at LP with immunity.
"Controlling carbon is a bureaucrat's dream. If you control carbon, you control life." — Dr. Richard Lindzen, MIT Professor of Meteorology
farmfriend posted on 2009-03-24 14:49:00 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1215. To: Rotara (#1211)
There are so many dots to connect that only a damned liar or fool would deny the truth of 911.

Now that is a fine summation.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
James Deffenbach posted on 2009-03-24 14:58:59 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1216. To: Rotara (#1212)
bottom of a thimble

A Thumbelina (sp?) thimble.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
James Deffenbach posted on 2009-03-24 14:59:41 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1217. To: Rotara (#1213)
Their delusion is very strong.

And their alleged minds very weak.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
James Deffenbach posted on 2009-03-24 15:00:19 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1218. To: farmfriend (#1214)
I had caught ByteShredder plagerizing my friends work. He started posting death threats to me.

That should be a permanent auto-ban on any forum, no matter who posts it, no matter how drunk they are. Death threats aren't free speech, they're speech intended to stop free speech.

The purging of memebers at LP, mind you I signed up within the first two months it was up, was resulting in a lot of people moving over here. Many I considered friends. I signed up here and started posting. I had told someone on LP, I don't remember who, that I was posting here until Goldi had time to deal with my complaint. This is what she twisted into an announcement I was leaving. The posts are archived on this forum somewhere. Yukon twisted one of my posts into recruiting for 4um. It was removed and I was banned.

Bans can be arbitrary and often are.

Byteshredder still posts at LP with immunity.

I've hardly noticed him, maybe we don't have the same interests.

TooConservative posted on 2009-03-24 15:14:40 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1219. To: FormerLurker, farmfriend, Brian S (#1143)
FWIW< I don't believe that farmfriend was banned unless she did so via email.
I do know that Brian S was banned.

war posted on 2009-03-24 15:39:54 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1220. To: FormerLurker (#1150)
The steel columns are a mystery as they should have remained standing

What steel columns?

war posted on 2009-03-24 15:41:30 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1221. To: war, FormerLurker, Brian S (#1219)
FWIW< I don't believe that farmfriend was banned unless she did so via email.

So now you as well as sneakypete are calling me a liar?
Goldi herself said I was banned on the open forum!
FF was banned for trolling for members for another forum after announcing she was leaving to go there. (She likely only was another day or so here. Damage control.)
As I said before, I made no such announcement.
"Controlling carbon is a bureaucrat's dream. If you control carbon, you control life." — Dr. Richard Lindzen, MIT Professor of Meteorology
farmfriend posted on 2009-03-24 15:56:30 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1222. To: war (#1220)
What steel columns?

Those which were part of the steel core.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-03-24 16:15:25 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1223. To: farmfriend (#1221)
I was banned by the raving bagel for indirectly referencing Ron Paul when she was on one of her little crying jags. I consider it a badge-of-honor to be banned from El-Pee for choosing Ron Paul over McStain.
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"This man is Jesus,” shouted one man, spilling his Guinness as Barack Obama began his inaugural address. “When will he come to Kenya to save us?”
“The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people…and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit!”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
X-15 posted on 2009-03-24 16:16:01 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1224. To: farmfriend (#1221)
As I said before, I made no such announcement.

Stupid question: Did you ever try to log back in?
The last exchange over there between you and Goldi was her pulling a comment of yours.
And, trust me, I was not calling you a liar...just seeking clarification based upon my own. I apologize if you believed that was my intent.

war posted on 2009-03-24 16:18:08 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1225. To: FormerLurker (#1222)
Those which were part of the steel core.

What makes you believ that they should have been left standing? You do know that they were sectional? You do know that they were tapered?

war posted on 2009-03-24 16:19:18 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1226. To: war (#1200)
Christine deleted those posts because the remaining record here PROVES that you have been rebutted on each and everyone of your "items".

You're a liar war, and I think most rational people can see that.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-03-24 16:19:23 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1227. To: FormerLurker (#1226)
You're a liar war, and I think most rational people can see that.

Which "items" do you believe have not been rebutted?

war posted on 2009-03-24 16:23:56 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1228. To: X-15 (#1223)
I was banned by the raving bagel for indirectly referencing Ron Paul

Didn't you advocate spamming Ron Paul articles onto the forum?

war posted on 2009-03-24 16:26:56 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1229. To: war (#1225)
What makes you believ that they should have been left standing?

For one, it is highly unlikely the supporting bolts and rods holding the trusses onto the core would have been strong enough to rip the core apart. If the floors pancaked then the floors should have slid over the core. However, there wasn't much left to slide since the upper floors pulverized as they collapsed, so there was not enough energy to cause a collapse of the lower floors in the first place.
Thus, not only should the core have remained standing, but the 100 or so UNDAMAGED floors of both towers should have survived the collapse of the upper structure of both buildings, except for perhaps the top section of the remaining undamaged structures.
And sure, the top was tapered, BUT strong enough to hold most of the weight of the WTC structure at that level. In fact, it was highly improbable for a total collapse even at the damaged section to occur at all.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-03-24 16:28:52 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1230. To: war (#1224)
Stupid question: Did you ever try to log back in?

Yes I tried to log back in. It was days later that she made the post about why she banned me. And it wasn't an exchange between Goldi and I about pulling the comment. She pulled it when she banned me. I had an exchange with Yukon about the nature of the comment.
"Controlling carbon is a bureaucrat's dream. If you control carbon, you control life." — Dr. Richard Lindzen, MIT Professor of Meteorology
farmfriend posted on 2009-03-24 16:33:06 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1231. To: FormerLurker (#1229)
For one, it is highly unlikely the supporting bolts and rods holding the trusses onto the core would have been strong enough to rip the core apart.

You are basing this upon what? The inane belief that the only force being exerted was DOWNWARD? What was one of the functions of the outer support structure? LATERAL stability. When LATERAL support fails...what happens?

war posted on 2009-03-24 16:36:50 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1232. To: war (#1227)
Which "items" do you believe have not been rebutted?

Where's the flight manifests? I don't mean newspaper graphics, I mean a link to the actual flight manifests.
You haven't been able to show how there could possibly be enough energy to break the lower floors since much of the energy was expended by the pulverization process.
You haven't shown any proof that the hijackers actually boarded the aircraft.
I haven't had the time to dig through the "report" you linked, but I doubt it can honestly explain how two 110 story structures can collapse in 8-18 seconds, where the lower 100 floors were undamaged prior to the initial collapse of the top sections of each tower.
You haven't been able to explain the fact that war games taking place during the attacks simulated the very attacks themselves.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-03-24 16:36:53 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1233. To: war (#1231)
LATERAL stability. When LATERAL support fails...what happens?

Nothing unless there are high winds or a hurricane taking place. The towers didn't start swaying back and forth. Is that what you trying to say, the collapse was caused by SWAYING?
Besides, only a relatively tiny part of the exterior columns were damaged.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-03-24 16:38:47 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1234. To: X-15, war (#1223)
I was banned by the raving bagel for indirectly referencing Ron Paul when she was on one of her little crying jags. I consider it a badge-of-honor to be banned from El-Pee for choosing Ron Paul over McStain.

I was not a Ron Paul supporter at the time. Well let me clarify. I didn't know much about Ron Paul then and was advocating for a different candidate, no not McCain. The more I learned about Ron Paul, the more I liked him.
I do believe that my banning had more to do with my association with Brer Rabbit than anything else.
War - I think that is what you are remembering. You were right, Goldi had pulled one of my posts. It was a message to someone from Brer. She didn't want it up because she had banned him.
"Controlling carbon is a bureaucrat's dream. If you control carbon, you control life." — Dr. Richard Lindzen, MIT Professor of Meteorology
farmfriend posted on 2009-03-24 16:39:33 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1235. To: farmfriend (#1230)
Okay...apparently Goldi did several stealth bannings which she made a good job of doing - if this email I just got is correct, and I have no doubt but to believe it, then she really went after Paul supporters over a number of months beginning in late '07. I was wholly unaware of this; otherwise, I would have protested.
Apology accepted?

war posted on 2009-03-24 16:40:47 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1236. To: FormerLurker (#1233)
Nothing

You're out of your mind...what happens when you try to stack too much of something on top of each other?

war posted on 2009-03-24 16:42:33 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1237. To: war (#1228)
I honestly don't remember. But, I was a fervent Ron Paul supporter. My last few posts were on the thread titled "Time for disobedience on LP: He Who Must Not Be Named". I and the thread were deleted after numerous posts and virtual shouting/posturing/bravado ;-)
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"This man is Jesus,” shouted one man, spilling his Guinness as Barack Obama began his inaugural address. “When will he come to Kenya to save us?”
“The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people…and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit!”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
X-15 posted on 2009-03-24 16:42:48 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1238. To: war (#1235)
Apology accepted?

OH yes. No harm done.
FWIW, I was not a Paul supporter at the time. She was purging some of the anti Jewish posters as well. I'm hardly anti Jewish since I married into a Jewish family but it was my association with one that did it.
"Controlling carbon is a bureaucrat's dream. If you control carbon, you control life." — Dr. Richard Lindzen, MIT Professor of Meteorology
farmfriend posted on 2009-03-24 16:43:42 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1239. To: war (#1220)
What steel columns?

You just had to ask, didn't you? LOL.

TooConservative posted on 2009-03-24 16:44:16 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1240. To: war (#1235)
then she really went after Paul supporters over a number of months beginning in late '07.

I was banned in the beginning of June 07.
"Controlling carbon is a bureaucrat's dream. If you control carbon, you control life." — Dr. Richard Lindzen, MIT Professor of Meteorology
farmfriend posted on 2009-03-24 16:45:48 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1241. To: farmfriend (#1234)
War - I think that is what you are remembering. You were right, Goldi had pulled one of my posts. It was a message to someone from Brer. She didn't want it up because she had banned him.

I do remember seeing that and I just searched your name over there..your last post called for "Civil disobedience". Cracked me up...
Anyway, I'm not all that comfoprtable talking about another forum here. I have nothing against Goldi and I enjoyed 99.44% of my time there...although, the stealth bannings trouble me. But it is also a symptom of why I left as a regular poster: Selevctive Enforcement.

war posted on 2009-03-24 16:46:19 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1242. To: farmfriend (#1238)
OH yes. No harm done.

Okay kewel...
AS for your other...as I mentioned, I know that she made Brian S gone for that reason.

war posted on 2009-03-24 16:49:51 ET Reply Trace Private Reply

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