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Title: The thread that's changed its focus from the original title. Carry on ;)
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Published: Mar 21, 2009
Author: m e
Post Date: 2009-03-21 08:19:06 by Itistoolate
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#114. To: Itistoolate (#112)
just opened and listening

nooz posted on 2009-03-21 23:36:34 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#115. To: Rotara (#113)
It could be that the majority is simply not capable of surviving. I'm glad I'm not in the majority.

Eyes up dude.

nooz posted on 2009-03-21 23:37:39 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#116. To: nooz (#111)

When will people understand that what is happening is not the accident of voting.

The people are stupid always have been and always will be. Its just the way humans are. The vast majority are stupid, and have no capacity to understand complex things.
However I think you aren't grasping what is happening now either. American society has been controlled by the business class almost from the beginning. Some colonies like Virgina were freaking set up by corporations. Literally a corporation, Virgina Company.
America didn't have a nobility, we had a business class. This is because land was almost free, since you could always move west. In europe land was scarce, and true wealth was in owning land. In America wealth was always in commerce, and banking.
America established a national bank almost immediately. And the United States has had central banking its entire history save 1837-1864. Corporate influence over the United States has always been there.
What we are seeing is nothing new, nor particularly worse than before.
This is important to realize, because there are many things that need to be fixed, but if you view our current situations without the lens of history you will never accomplish anything. This isn't the end or the world or anything close.

Rhino369 posted on 2009-03-21 23:40:54 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#117. To: Rhino369 (#116)
It sounds like possibly you have read The Creature.. by G Edward.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara posted on 2009-03-21 23:42:30 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#118. To: Itistoolate (#112)
Finished.
A billion is just the tip. Sanger was only a part.

nooz posted on 2009-03-21 23:43:28 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#119. To: Rotara (#117)
No but if its good I might check it out. Do you recommend it?

Rhino369 posted on 2009-03-21 23:44:38 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#120. To: F16Fighter, sneakypete, war, Itistoolate, all (#61)
(by F16Fighter)
Has Goldi ever neglected LP to this extent?
I'm inclined to believe a combination of the grief of dealing mentally disturbed whining posters, the wretched state of the Union, and pressures we may not be privy to in her personal life may have caused her to say "SCREW IT!"...even for a week or so and beyond. Hope she's alright.
Pulling the plug permanently? Hey - who knows.
F16Fighter/Liberator

Hi F16Fighter
I was on LP briefly late at night two nights ago
and some disruptor had posted all bizarre hate in Breaking News
next morning site was down
I think Goldi got fed up, I don't know what she will do ?
I am guessing she isn't doing anything right now, just thinking it over?
Love, Palo

palo verde posted on 2009-03-21 23:45:28 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#121. To: Rhino369, TwentyTwelve, christine, litus, G Edward Griffin (#119)
Do you recommend it?

As if your life depended on it yesterday.
But please don't take just my word for it.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara posted on 2009-03-21 23:46:54 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#122. To: Rhino369 (#116) (Edited)
The people are stupid always have been and always will be. Its just the way humans are. The vast majority are stupid, and have no capacity to understand complex things.
However I think you aren't grasping what is happening now either. American society has been controlled by the business class almost from the beginning. Some colonies like Virgina were freaking set up by corporations. Literally a corporation, Virgina Company.
America didn't have a nobility, we had a business class. This is because land was almost free, since you could always move west. In europe land was scarce, and true wealth was in owning land. In America wealth was always in commerce, and banking.
America established a national bank almost immediately. And the United States has had central banking its entire history save 1837-1864. Corporate influence over the United States has always been there.
What we are seeing is nothing new, nor particularly worse than before.
This is important to realize, because there are many things that need to be fixed, but if you view our current situations without the lens of history you will never accomplish anything. This isn't the end or the world or anything close.

Totally edited.
I do view what is happening through the lens of history and then some.

nooz posted on 2009-03-21 23:47:03 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#123. To: palo verde (#120)
How's the GOP treating you p v ?

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara posted on 2009-03-21 23:47:30 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#124. To: palo verde (#120)
Is that my Lower East Side Bubbla?

Jethro Tull posted on 2009-03-21 23:49:33 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#125. To: Rotara (#117)
Actually now that I googled that book, one of my best friends recommended it to me last month. I will check it out.
One book that I have very mixed feelings about, is "A People's History of the United States" by Howard Zinn. My high school History teacher made us read a chapter in it about the revolution, and I rejected it as commie bullshit at the time. But I read it years later, still believing it was mostly BS. But it did tell a side of American history usually glossed over. Still I believe it focuses much too much on class warefare, and often assigns a malevolent intent to those who made mistakes.

Rhino369 posted on 2009-03-21 23:52:18 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#126. To: palo verde (#120)
I have met beauty. Palo Verde.
She walks the earth. the sun and moon glows on our lives
gives us vision to live
"Satan / Cheney in "08"
tom007 posted on 2009-03-21 23:53:09 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#127. To: F16Fighter, sneakypete (#85)
I don't think they made any real effort to stop any potential attack,but that's not the same thing as saying they planned or encouraged one.
I've made the case with respect to 9/11 as analogous to leaving the store door wide open and unguarded -

If you both are going to say the WTC 1, 2 and 7 came down because of fire then you're both either very ignorant or trolls. There is too much evidence to the contrary to believe otherwise.
Once you believe that the collapses were helped by explosives, then you have to believe that the Bush administration was complicit.
And even if you can't see the physical impossibility of collapse by fire, you have to be able to see that no plane is going to fly into DC air space unidentified and unintercepted, without inside top level complicity.
So which is it? Ignorance? Or shilliness?
Make awkward sexual advances, not war.
Morehead City Concerts Summer 2009
Critter posted on 2009-03-21 23:53:09 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#128. To: palo verde, Mudboy Slim (#120)
I was on LP briefly late at night two nights ago
and some disruptor had posted all bizarre hate in Breaking News
next morning site was down
I think Goldi got fed up, I don't know what she will do ?
I am guessing she isn't doing anything right now, just thinking it over?

Wow, I knew this whole thing had to be Slim's fault all along.
The ultimate effect of shielding men from the effects of folly, is to fill the world with fools. - Herbert Spencer
Dakmar posted on 2009-03-21 23:54:08 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#129. To: sneakypete, F16Fighter (#71)
(F16Fighter) Has Goldi ever neglected LP to this extent?
(sneakypete) Seems to me she has been pretty much ignoring it for the last several months. Ever since she got the new job,anyhow.
(F16Fighter) I'm inclined to believe a combination of the grief of dealing mentally disturbed whining posters, the wretched state of the Union, and pressures we may not be privy to in her personal life may have caused her to say "SCREW IT!"...even for a week or so and beyond.
(sneakypete) She definitely has more patience than I do. I would have bailed long ago.
I'm hoping we hear something soon.

Hi Pete,
I didn't know Goldi has new job
that would be very demanding and use up a lot of her time
You are are right about the patience, I too would have bailed long time ago if I were her
I hope we do hear something soon
I'm sure she's fine, I'm guessing this is just a time of lots of changes in her life
Love, Palo

palo verde posted on 2009-03-21 23:55:07 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#130. To: Rhino369 (#125)
As time is of the essence now, immediately after you get through The Creature from Jekyll Island I would recommend diving right into The Gulag Archipelago by A.S.
I'm concentrating there now.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara posted on 2009-03-21 23:55:15 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#131. To: Rotara (#117)
It sounds like possibly you have read The Creature.. by G Edward.

Good.
Doubtful he'll get it.

nooz posted on 2009-03-21 23:57:09 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#132. To: Critter, F16Fighter, sneakypete (#127)
WTC 7 was taken down by demolition.
It's indisputable. Anyone that disagrees is welcome to bring their best and prepare to have to look through a new paradigm.
The 911 Popular Mechanics Official Fairy Tale® is cut and dried up to a threshold that goes far beyond merely instigating a New Pearl Harbor.
That's not my opinion - that's a fact.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara posted on 2009-03-21 23:58:39 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#133. To: Itistoolate (#75)
There was a poster called "Mrs Yukon" that posted an article with a pretty raunchy title.

Yes, that was what I saw on Breaking News the night before site went down
so when site was down next day, I thought "Goldi has had it!"
I just ignore those asshole posts, but it makes the site "look so bad"
and gets it listed as a hate site, and banned in so many places
I thought Goldi got fed up
Love, Palo

palo verde posted on 2009-03-21 23:59:44 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#134. To: nooz (#131)
Whether we can throw them all back in or not, I'm going to keep trying to throw back one at a time as long as I can. No one can ever say I didn't work and exhaust all peaceful means to right the ship of freedom.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara posted on 2009-03-22 0:00:06 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#135. To: sneakypete (#77)
"Mrs Yukon" (obviously a poster trying to yank Yukon's chain) posted several pretty raunchy articles and posts. It was obviously someone only interested in causing trouble.

YES!!!! Exactly
but it looks like it really pissed off Goldi
LP hasn't been back up since
it doesn't seem fair to me that a disruptor could destroy the site, and he said he posts there under a regular name too
I guess he meant it as a prank, he just wanted to annoy Yukon, he didn't think about its effect on Goldi
Love, Palo

palo verde posted on 2009-03-22 0:05:29 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#136. To: palo verde (#133)
and gets it listed as a hate site

palo,
hate is the appropriate expression normal people have toward a government that slaughters millions of innocent people in illegal wars and spends money created out of thin air. i should hope all forums would be hate sites, but that's just me.
peace
tommy the flatfoot

Jethro Tull posted on 2009-03-22 0:05:41 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#137. To: Critter (#127)
And even if you can't see the physical impossibility of collapse by fire, you have to be able to see that no plane is going to fly into DC air space unidentified and unintercepted, without inside top level complicity.

wonderfully succinct

christine posted on 2009-03-22 0:06:41 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#138. To: Jethro Tull (#136)
hate is the appropriate expression normal people have toward a government that slaughters millions of innocent people in illegal wars

Not to mention Immoral.
"Satan / Cheney in "08"
tom007 posted on 2009-03-22 0:07:29 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#139. To: Jethro Tull (#136)
but you're talking to a National Globalist warmonger

And Amen

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara posted on 2009-03-22 0:07:45 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#140. To: F16Fighter (#80)
Yeah - Thank God LP hasn't exactly been babysat to the extent that JimRob hawks over his Stalinist site, but it could be cleaned up a bit. But hey - maybe her priorities are exactly the way they oughta be.
Hope we hear something soon on ... the status of the forum...
Despite LP being a great outlet for blowing off steam and lending itself to constructive and unrestrictive, uncensored debate, some the kiddies seem bent on sabotaging it..

great post, F16Fighter
Love, Palo

palo verde posted on 2009-03-22 0:08:26 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#141. To: christine (#137)
wonderfully succinct

The Big Statist Government worshipers will never accept the truth.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara posted on 2009-03-22 0:08:48 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#142. To: Rotara (#134)
Whether we can throw them all back in or not, I'm going to keep trying to throw back one at a time as long as I can. No one can ever say I didn't work and exhaust all peaceful means to right the ship of freedom.

Two different issues.
Some posters exist to ensure the status quo survives. I guess those type should be ignored and ridiculed in passing, but there is no time to waste for those who ignore the knock of common sense.
Your focus is clear.

nooz posted on 2009-03-22 0:09:07 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#143. To: nooz (#122)
I do view what is happening through the lens of history and then some.

Then you should see, America isn't really worse off than we were 150 years ago, nor significantly less free. The idea of a totally free America is revisionist bullshit. If you lived on the frontier you had economic, and political freedom, but that only lasted too long before civilization caught up. We just ran out of frontier. However the cities were always controlled by business interests. Hell the business class supported the revolution exactly because it was in their best interests.
Were the sharecroppers and tenant farmers paying 15% interest (on rent, seed, and tools, all purchased from their land owners store, and they had to sell to their owners distribution company) free?
Were factory workers who had to work 12 hours in horrible conditions free?
There are many parallels to modern events from the past. America went to war based on false intelligence to supposedly liberate a people and instead fought tough insurgencies, it was called the Spanish American war, and it was 1898. Instead of Iraqi insurgents it was Filipinos.
To steal a line from Battlestar Galactica, "All of this has happened, and will happen again."
America isn't ending. So don't get depressed.

Rhino369 posted on 2009-03-22 0:09:09 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#144. To: Rhino369 (#143)
In short

It's about the Bankster controlled Police State (now fully equipped to take US on).

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara posted on 2009-03-22 0:11:10 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#145. To: F16Fighter, sneakypete (#95)
I HOPE the sabotage of the usual goofballs wasn't instrumental in Goldi closing shop; That will have meant they've won the battle.

good post, F16Fighter

palo verde posted on 2009-03-22 0:12:02 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#146. To: Rhino369 (#143)
Then you should see, America isn't really worse off than we were 150 years ago, nor significantly less free. The idea of a totally free America is revisionist bullshit. If you lived on the frontier you had economic, and political freedom, but that only lasted too long before civilization caught up. We just ran out of frontier. However the cities were always controlled by business interests. Hell the business class supported the revolution exactly because it was in their best interests.
Were the sharecroppers and tenant farmers paying 15% interest (on rent, seed, and tools, all purchased from their land owners store, and they had to sell to their owners distribution company) free?
Were factory workers who had to work 12 hours in horrible conditions free?
There are many parallels to modern events from the past. America went to war based on false intelligence to supposedly liberate a people and instead fought tough insurgencies, it was called the Spanish American war, and it was 1898. Instead of Iraqi insurgents it was Filipinos.
To steal a line from Battlestar Galactica, "All of this has happened, and will happen again."
America isn't ending. So don't get depressed.

Thank you for your diatribe. When LP is back up, sell it there.

nooz posted on 2009-03-22 0:12:09 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#147. To: James Deffenbach, F16Fighter (#98)
Good post, both of you!
I agree
Love, Palo

palo verde posted on 2009-03-22 0:13:50 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#148. To: Rotara (#144)
It's about the Bankster controlled Police State (now fully equipped to take US on).

Let's get them, Rotara, and all their wicked friends. Can I borrow a couple dozen attack helicopters in case things get rough?
The ultimate effect of shielding men from the effects of folly, is to fill the world with fools. - Herbert Spencer
Dakmar posted on 2009-03-22 0:14:15 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#149. To: christine (#137)
And even if you can't see the physical impossibility of collapse by fire, you have to be able to see that no plane is going to fly into DC air space unidentified and unintercepted, without inside top level complicity.

Before 911,
a Logistics employee I am good friends with, for Fed Ex told me about a system of vectored red lights that DC had in place to warn of any unauthorized aircraft from even getting near the capitol, and if the craft did not turn around, anti aircraft weapons were at the ready.
He flys a lot Alot.
I believe him.
However I have never broached the subject of the 911 attacks - for reasons of just getting along. I think he has got to go along with the ruse.
"Satan / Cheney in "08"
tom007 posted on 2009-03-22 0:15:44 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#150. To: Dakmar (#148)
Do you hunt deer, moose or elk ? (no does or split tails jokes please) ;-)

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara posted on 2009-03-22 0:15:55 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#151. To: sneakypete, F16Fighter (#97)
I don't pretend to be close friends with Goldi,but I have a hard time believing she would pull the plug without making an announcement

maybe she just got fed up Pete, and pulled the plug
I hope not
I hope she's just taking a vacation from LP
and will bring it back up
Love, Palo

palo verde posted on 2009-03-22 0:16:53 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#152. To: Rotara (#150)
I'm teaching neighborhood squirrels to smoke.
Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Profit!
The ultimate effect of shielding men from the effects of folly, is to fill the world with fools. - Herbert Spencer
Dakmar posted on 2009-03-22 0:18:12 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#153. To: palo verde (#151)
Maybe another war will cheer Goldi up ?

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara posted on 2009-03-22 0:18:19 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#154. To: Dakmar (#152)
lol

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara posted on 2009-03-22 0:18:44 ET Reply Trace Private Reply

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