Title: The thread that's changed its focus from the original title. Carry on ;) Source:
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""I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
I don't know why Neil thought Obama would be any different than the rest. I hope he realizes he was wrong about that now. But even if he doesn't, insulting someone for something they sincerely believe, even if they are wrong, is childish and counterproductive to a mutual understanding of the issues.
I never suggested anyone vote for Obama. I've always suggested voting for either Ron Paul, as a write-in if/when necessary, or Barr, the LP candidate. Yet my casual observations about what might be different between Obama and McCain was apparently successfully exploited by a shill or two here to damage my reputation. And a few here were apparently (at best) careless enough to fall for it, and too close minded to see that they were successfully duped. And they continue to carry on the work of those shills.
I understand we have differing opinions on JT, and that's fine.
But I think the record on this thread of his completely unsolicited attacks on me on this evening speaks for itself, and supports my assessment quite strongly. I believe that any unbiased person reviewing it would agree.
And if I feel 4um is a place where it's open season for unwarranted attacks on my reputation, I'll close my account and go for good.
OK, I kind of thought you were for Obama over McCain but I guess I was wrong.
When the establishment controls who are the choices for President then it is a safe bet they differ very slightly on the issues to the point of being insignificant.
Hey shit for brains, Neil is the person that made this forum you're spewing shit on possible. He partnered with Goldi-Lox to create LP, and gave us 4um with the hostess (and owner) being christine.
Don't bite the hand that feeds you shit for brains. You should get on your knees and apologize for being such a major asshole.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
Hey Neil, don't disappear off into the sunset. You've got some people here that look up to you and appreciate what you've done, and that includes me.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#1359. To: Pinguinite, TwentyTwelve, christine, Rotara, all (#1355)
I understand we have differing opinions on JT, and that's fine.
But I think the record on this thread of his completely unsolicited attacks on me on this evening speaks for itself, and supports my assessment quite strongly. I believe that any unbiased person reviewing it would agree.
And if I feel 4um is a place where it's open season for unwarranted attacks on my reputation, I'll close my account and go for good.
Let it be water off of a Duck's back. If I allowed all the attacks and name calling I've taken bother me I would have slit my wrists a long time ago. I'm sure that would have made a few shills happy.
I still recall your stand on the thread that got TwentyTwelve and I banned for pointing out that Goldi-Pox was a stinking lying hypocritical Israel Firster. Of course I was a bit more decorous before the banning. ;-)
You need not be bothered by the misapprehensions of others. Seek first and only your own approval. Of course it doesn't hurt to have God on your side either.
""I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
In reference to your analogy of a pole, are you trying to say that the towers were swaying all over the place?
Had you ever been in the towers? You could feel the sway in the upper floors. This one is the easiest of your rantings to bitch slap. The towers swayed...it 's why lateral support was so important. And, uh, the design engineers after they had tested their prototypes that determined how much sway both the building and the occupants could take, they then developed a MASSIVE system of viscoelastic dampers that mitigated the sway. Guess where they put these dampers....BETWEEN THE TRUSSES AND THE PERIMETER COLUMNS.
Your problem is that you've assumed a conclusion, i.e. "BOOOSH BRUNG DOWN THE TOWERS!!!" and are trying to construct a fairy tale based upon Moonbatism Your further problem is, there are several REALITIES that stand in the way of your paranoiac fanrasy. So to cut to the chase here and answer your question...yes, Alice IN Wonderland, the towers did sway and the lost of perimeter support exacerbated that sway.
Doof...that is a) the lower structure of the tower and that has has been pointed out to you more than once and b) you are mistaking 1) crane supports and 2) concrete forms for support beams.
the exterior wall ...[was] NOT built to be a vertical load bearing part of the structure
Nope. That is just plain incorrect.
In terms of structural system the twin towers departed completely from other high-rise buildings. Conventional skyscrapers since the 19th century have been built with a skeleton of interior supporting columns that supports the structure. Exterior walls of glass steel or synthetic material do not carry any load. The Twin towers are radically different in structural design as the exterior wall is used as the load-bearing wall. (A load bearing wall supports the weight of the floors.) The only interior columns are located in the core area, which contains the elevators. The outer wall carries the building vertical loads and provides the entire resistance to wind. The wall consists of closely spaced vertical columns (21 columns 10 feet apart) tied together by horizontal spandrel beams that girdle the tower at every floor. On the inside of the structure the floor sections consist of trusses spanning from the core to the outer wall.
Nobody who was present during your Obama, gun-grabbing wish list presentation last Fall will ever forget your words, so stop trying to play the martyr. You're a gold plated fraud, nothing more, nothing less.
Did you email her to state your case,or did you just say "screw it!" and accept it?
Trying to reason with Moldy Lox is like trying to reason with a bagel. I just moved on, though I did revive the screen name here just to spite the kikes.
As for Neil, it seems that he has caught up somewhat. The conditioning to avoid discussion of the Jewish power structures runs deep and it takes some longer than others to catch on. Nothing will change until the political discussion encompasses all of the power structures involved. I think it's turning in that direction now.
The center of gravity doesn't change until the load shifts
Doh...
You're flying by the seat of your pants and they need mending, dude...
The center of gravity does not move, however the forces on the remaining supports change. Center of gravity isn't the correct term. Increasing in magnitude and changing in direction. This creates a torque on the supports where there were none before. This creates a shear stress in the steel supports, in addition to increasing the regular stress from just holding up the tower with fewer supports.
I sent several of the links from my home computer to my work computer but I just copied and pasted them so I am not sure what I have here but I based that upon an analysis I had read that was complied by an engineer who said that the force of impact and resulting damage and which caused a weight shift implied that the center o gravity of actually shifted outside of the buildings' footptint. Now, I am not an engineer so I may have misunderstood his statement. It is that statement upon which I based my statement.
I sent several of the links from my home computer to my work computer but I just copied and pasted them so I am not sure what I have here but I based that upon an analysis I had read that was complied by an engineer who said that the force of impact and resulting damage and which caused a weight shift implied that the center o gravity of actually shifted outside of the buildings' footptint. Now, I am not an engineer so I may have misunderstood his statement. It is that statement upon which I based my statement.
The center of gravity could have moved, if, the tower was actually bent in the impact. Otherwise not really. But the point you are making still stands, you are just using the wrong, or inaccurate term.
I understand we have differing opinions on JT, and that's fine.
But I think the record on this thread of his completely unsolicited attacks on me on this evening speaks for itself, and supports my assessment quite strongly. I believe that any unbiased person reviewing it would agree.
And if I feel 4um is a place where it's open season for unwarranted attacks on my reputation, I'll close my account and go for good
Not that it matters, but I would hate to see you go Neil. You have more friends than enemies here.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976
The purpose of the legal system is to protect the elites from the wrath of those they plunder.- Elliott Jackalope
Let it be water off of a Duck's back. If I allowed all the attacks and name calling I've taken bother me I would have slit my wrists a long time ago. I'm sure that would have made a few shills happy.
I still recall your stand on the thread that got TwentyTwelve and I banned for pointing out that Goldi-Pox was a stinking lying hypocritical Israel Firster. Of course I was a bit more decorous before the banning. ;-)
You need not be bothered by the misapprehensions of others. Seek first and only your own approval. Of course it doesn't hurt to have God on your side either.
Good advice.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Lord Acton
Thanks...IIRC my physics correctly, C/G was simple geometry in basic structures - such as rectangles - as to where the average location of weight of an object was. IN a rectangle, again IIRC, it's height/2.
I'll amend my assessment of you. You're an absolutely clueless ass.
Your attempts at revisionism might fool the suckers - the fact is that you flat out shilled for the black Mussolini like a bleeding heart world socialist and it will never be forgotten, gun grabber.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
I believe he flows whichever way the world socialist hippie wind is blowing.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
I'm not falling for it, he's full of shit and he doesn't fool me for one nano.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
Now, I am not an engineer so I may have misunderstood his statement.
In other words you have no idea of what you're talking about, and are simply cutting and pasting some terms you've read that were written by some guy who calls himself an engineer.
Guess what, I'M AN ENGINEER, so believe what I say.
Idiot.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
I too like divergent views on a forum for me it enriches the experience I think because I discover I can see some things differently, and some things the same with many posters plus I get some idea where others are coming from, it helps my understanding
Hear ya, Palo...It's like an interactive school of all sorts.
Anyone who is intellectual honest is going to admit they've had their respective perspectives changed here and there - as well they should. We (and I) have learned something from most everyone...EXCEPT those posters who engage a forum strictly and solely for bloodsport like Klowns. Or even some of Jim Rob's SS Brownshirts. These are the anti-social jackals and parasites who should be called out, derided and ostracized.
I have to agree with blue, anyone that knew RimJob and paid attention could not but help coming away with the knowledge that he was a con artist at best.
Robinson conned hundreds of people, so you are not alone.
You see Palo?
I even concur with Cynicom on this matter with whom I disagree 90% of the time.
Your problem is that you've assumed a conclusion, i.e. "BOOOSH BRUNG DOWN THE TOWERS!!!" and are trying to construct a fairy tale based upon Moonbatism
You stupid assed dork, NOWHERE have I EVER said ""BOOOSH BRUNG DOWN THE TOWERS!!!", only drooling retards such as yourself have ever thought ANYONE has ever honestly said that.
What is clear is that there are MANY lies and distortions being given as the "official truth" that are simply improbable or impossible, and not only is that reason to investigate what really DID happen, but to wonder why those in the US government and the media would try to coverup what DID happen.
Might Bush have known about the plan? More than likely he was kept in the dark in terms of operational details but knew SOMETHING was going to happen, and didn't blink an eyelash when it did. More than likely Cheney was fully aware and in fact part of the operation, along with a few other high ranking members of the administration.
That is simply an observation of what they did AFTER the attacks to stifle any sort of real investigation of what happened.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
Well, the guy's an Israel-Firster, America-Laster, a statist Commie, an anti-Capitalist, an anti-socialist, and anti-Christian....AND Enemy of the People.
Ain't it sad that some (like our friend war) NEED the voice of authority so that they can override their own common sense?
It's like trying to tell a Creationist that the world has been around a LOT longer than just 6000 years. No matter what you say or what information you give them, they call YOU a nut and assume a self-rightheous attitude.
In regards to 9/11 the authority is the television set, in terms of Creationism the authority is the pastor at the pulpit. Scientific principles and logical analysis are tossed out the window in either case.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
