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Title: The thread that's changed its focus from the original title. Carry on ;)
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Published: Mar 21, 2009
Author: m e
Post Date: 2009-03-21 08:19:06 by Itistoolate
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#1371. To: Rhino369 (#1370)
I sent several of the links from my home computer to my work computer but I just copied and pasted them so I am not sure what I have here but I based that upon an analysis I had read that was complied by an engineer who said that the force of impact and resulting damage and which caused a weight shift implied that the center o gravity of actually shifted outside of the buildings' footptint. Now, I am not an engineer so I may have misunderstood his statement. It is that statement upon which I based my statement.

war posted on 2009-03-26 10:28:20 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1372. To: Jethro Tull (#1366)
I'll amend my assessment of you. You're an absolutely clueless ass.

Pinguinite posted on 2009-03-26 10:36:07 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1373. To: war (#1371)
I sent several of the links from my home computer to my work computer but I just copied and pasted them so I am not sure what I have here but I based that upon an analysis I had read that was complied by an engineer who said that the force of impact and resulting damage and which caused a weight shift implied that the center o gravity of actually shifted outside of the buildings' footptint. Now, I am not an engineer so I may have misunderstood his statement. It is that statement upon which I based my statement.

The center of gravity could have moved, if, the tower was actually bent in the impact. Otherwise not really. But the point you are making still stands, you are just using the wrong, or inaccurate term.

Rhino369 posted on 2009-03-26 10:37:18 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1374. To: Pinguinite (#1355)
I understand we have differing opinions on JT, and that's fine.
But I think the record on this thread of his completely unsolicited attacks on me on this evening speaks for itself, and supports my assessment quite strongly. I believe that any unbiased person reviewing it would agree.
And if I feel 4um is a place where it's open season for unwarranted attacks on my reputation, I'll close my account and go for good

Not that it matters, but I would hate to see you go Neil. You have more friends than enemies here.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976
The purpose of the legal system is to protect the elites from the wrath of those they plunder.- Elliott Jackalope
F.A. Hayek Fan posted on 2009-03-26 10:40:27 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1375. To: Original_Intent (#1359)
Let it be water off of a Duck's back. If I allowed all the attacks and name calling I've taken bother me I would have slit my wrists a long time ago. I'm sure that would have made a few shills happy.
I still recall your stand on the thread that got TwentyTwelve and I banned for pointing out that Goldi-Pox was a stinking lying hypocritical Israel Firster. Of course I was a bit more decorous before the banning. ;-)
You need not be bothered by the misapprehensions of others. Seek first and only your own approval. Of course it doesn't hurt to have God on your side either.

Good advice.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
James Deffenbach posted on 2009-03-26 11:05:24 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1376. To: Rhino369 (#1373)
Thanks...IIRC my physics correctly, C/G was simple geometry in basic structures - such as rectangles - as to where the average location of weight of an object was. IN a rectangle, again IIRC, it's height/2.

war posted on 2009-03-26 11:14:13 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1377. To: Pinguinite (#1372)
You're a disgrace, Neal. You always have been.

Jethro Tull posted on 2009-03-26 11:21:39 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1378. To: Pinguinite (#1372)
I'll amend my assessment of you. You're an absolutely clueless ass.

Your attempts at revisionism might fool the suckers - the fact is that you flat out shilled for the black Mussolini like a bleeding heart world socialist and it will never be forgotten, gun grabber.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara posted on 2009-03-26 11:25:15 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1379. To: Jethro Tull, pinguinite (#1377)
#34. To: Critter (#31)
Does thinking that Obama is nothing but another NWO stooge of a slightly different color making me an Obamaphobe?

There are 2 kinds of people on 4um. Those that like Obama because they are white guilters, and those who hate Obama because they are racists.
At least that seems to be the options put forth collectively by us 4umers.

Pinguinite posted on 2008-05-04 21:16:36 ET Reply Trace Private Reply

LOL
what a joke

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara posted on 2009-03-26 11:26:45 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1380. To: bluegrass (#1368)
I believe he flows whichever way the world socialist hippie wind is blowing.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara posted on 2009-03-26 11:34:58 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1381. To: Original_Intent (#1359)
I'm not falling for it, he's full of shit and he doesn't fool me for one nano.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara posted on 2009-03-26 11:35:53 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1382. To: war (#1371)
Now, I am not an engineer so I may have misunderstood his statement.

In other words you have no idea of what you're talking about, and are simply cutting and pasting some terms you've read that were written by some guy who calls himself an engineer.
Guess what, I'M AN ENGINEER, so believe what I say.
Idiot.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-03-26 11:42:37 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1383. To: FormerLurker, war (#1382)
Guess what, I'M AN ENGINEER, so believe what I say.

LOL!
Ain't it sad that some (like our friend war) NEED the voice of authority so that they can override their own common sense?
Eff the Bankers
bluegrass posted on 2009-03-26 11:45:51 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1384. To: palo verde (#921)
I too like divergent views on a forum for me it enriches the experience I think because I discover I can see some things differently, and some things the same with many posters plus I get some idea where others are coming from, it helps my understanding

Hear ya, Palo...It's like an interactive school of all sorts.
Anyone who is intellectual honest is going to admit they've had their respective perspectives changed here and there - as well they should. We (and I) have learned something from most everyone...EXCEPT those posters who engage a forum strictly and solely for bloodsport like Klowns. Or even some of Jim Rob's SS Brownshirts. These are the anti-social jackals and parasites who should be called out, derided and ostracized.

Liberator posted on 2009-03-26 11:49:41 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1385. To: Cynicom, war, palo verde (#922)
I have to agree with blue, anyone that knew RimJob and paid attention could not but help coming away with the knowledge that he was a con artist at best.
Robinson conned hundreds of people, so you are not alone.

You see Palo?
I even concur with Cynicom on this matter with whom I disagree 90% of the time.

Liberator posted on 2009-03-26 11:52:00 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1386. To: war (#1362)
Your problem is that you've assumed a conclusion, i.e. "BOOOSH BRUNG DOWN THE TOWERS!!!" and are trying to construct a fairy tale based upon Moonbatism

You stupid assed dork, NOWHERE have I EVER said ""BOOOSH BRUNG DOWN THE TOWERS!!!", only drooling retards such as yourself have ever thought ANYONE has ever honestly said that.
What is clear is that there are MANY lies and distortions being given as the "official truth" that are simply improbable or impossible, and not only is that reason to investigate what really DID happen, but to wonder why those in the US government and the media would try to coverup what DID happen.
Might Bush have known about the plan? More than likely he was kept in the dark in terms of operational details but knew SOMETHING was going to happen, and didn't blink an eyelash when it did. More than likely Cheney was fully aware and in fact part of the operation, along with a few other high ranking members of the administration.
That is simply an observation of what they did AFTER the attacks to stifle any sort of real investigation of what happened.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-03-26 11:55:15 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1387. To: F16Fighter (#1385)
rimjob is a $chameleon$

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara posted on 2009-03-26 11:55:31 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1388. To: bluegrass (#923)
This guy's [Rahm] Jewier:

Well, the guy's an Israel-Firster, America-Laster, a statist Commie, an anti-Capitalist, an anti-socialist, and anti-Christian....AND Enemy of the People.
IOW, Rahm possesses ZERO redeeming qualities.

Liberator posted on 2009-03-26 11:55:34 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1389. To: F16Fighter (#1388)
Rahm possesses ZERO redeeming qualities

Target practice and fertilizer?
Eff the Bankers
bluegrass posted on 2009-03-26 11:57:34 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1390. To: bluegrass (#1383)
Ain't it sad that some (like our friend war) NEED the voice of authority so that they can override their own common sense?

It's like trying to tell a Creationist that the world has been around a LOT longer than just 6000 years. No matter what you say or what information you give them, they call YOU a nut and assume a self-rightheous attitude.
In regards to 9/11 the authority is the television set, in terms of Creationism the authority is the pastor at the pulpit. Scientific principles and logical analysis are tossed out the window in either case.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-03-26 12:04:31 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1391. To: FormerLurker (#1382)
In other words you have no idea of what you're talking about,

It has been suggested that it was fortunate that the WTC did not tip over onto other buildings surrounding the area. There are several points that should be made. First, the building is not solid; it is 95 percent air and, hence, can implode onto itself. Second, there is no lateral load, even the impact of a speeding aircraft, which is sufficient to move the center of gravity one hundred feet to the side such that it is not within the base footprint of the structure.

war posted on 2009-03-26 12:06:33 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1392. To: FormerLurker (#1382)
In other words you have no idea of what you're talking about,

It has been suggested that it was fortunate that the WTC did not tip over onto other buildings surrounding the area. There are several points that should be made. First, the building is not solid; it is 95 percent air and, hence, can implode onto itself. Second, there is no lateral load, even the impact of a speeding aircraft, which is sufficient to move the center of gravity one hundred feet to the side such that it is not within the base footprint of the structure.
--Thomas W. Eagar, the Thomas Lord Professor of Materials Engineering and Engineering Systems, and Christopher Musso, graduate research student, are at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology.

war posted on 2009-03-26 12:07:07 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1393. To: bluegrass (#1383)
Ain't it sad that some (like our friend war) NEED the voice of authority so that they can override their own common sense?

I posted my source of the statement.

war posted on 2009-03-26 12:08:07 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1394. To: Rotara (#1387)
rimjob is a $chameleon$

Yep. The guy called Dubya Bush a coke-snortin' disaster for America back in 1999 (anybody got that exact quote by chance?), while swearing he'd NEVER back NcStain.
IOW, he's a two-faced BSer and tool with NO principles who bends over and instantly becomes what his overlords tell him to be.
Jim Robinson has proven to be nothing more than an opportunist GOP-Whore, Stalinist POS, Delusional Grand Wizard, and Olive Garden Junkie.
;-)

Liberator posted on 2009-03-26 12:09:31 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1395. To: FormerLurker (#1390)
...they call YOU a nut and assume a self-rightheous attitude.

The two marks of an irrational thought pattern trying to defend itself.
Eff the Bankers
bluegrass posted on 2009-03-26 12:10:00 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1396. To: FormerLurker (#1386)
What is clear is that there are MANY lies

Ye4t, oddly, you;ve been unable to pinpoint those lies and have told several of your own, e.g, no explosion INSIDE the building...the damage was pinholes...outer wall did not have vertical load responsibilities...the building had no sway...

war posted on 2009-03-26 12:10:19 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1397. To: bluegrass (#1395)
The two marks of an irrational thought pattern trying to defend itself.

Both of you are named Mark?

war posted on 2009-03-26 12:11:04 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1398. To: bluegrass (#1389)
VERY ripe fertilizer.
See? EVERYONE has their use. Even Rahmmy-Dummy-Ding-Dong.

Liberator posted on 2009-03-26 12:11:39 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1399. To: war (#1362)
Had you ever been in the towers? You could feel the sway in the upper floors. This one is the easiest of your rantings to bitch slap. The towers swayed...it 's why lateral support was so important.

You are trying to say that they swayed so much they fell. That is a lie.
You are trying to say by swaying, their center of gravity shifted and they collapsed. That is a lie.
I said that they didn't sway any more so than usual, and since there was only a slight wind that morning, any swaying was minimal. That is a factual observation.
Grow up.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-03-26 12:13:51 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1400. To: war, bluegrass (#958)
The law is what it is.

OR, rather how it's interpreted by activist (i.e. Leftist) judges.

Liberator posted on 2009-03-26 12:16:30 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1401. To: F16Fighter (#1394)
Jim Robinson has proven to be nothing more than an opportunist GOP-Whore, Stalinist POS, Delusional Grand Wizard, and Olive Garden Junkie.

You just summed-up Freeperland and it's entire existence up to this very moment.
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"This man is Jesus,” shouted one man, spilling his Guinness as Barack Obama began his inaugural address. “When will he come to Kenya to save us?”
“The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people…and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit!”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
X-15 posted on 2009-03-26 12:16:59 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1402. To: F16Fighter (#1388)
Well, the guy's an Israel-Firster, America-Laster, a statist Commie, an anti-Capitalist, an anti-socialist, and anti-Christian....AND Enemy of the People.
IOW, Rahm possesses ZERO redeeming qualities.

He's the cabal's favorite mensch me thinks.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara posted on 2009-03-26 12:18:14 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1403. To: FormerLurker (#1382)
Guess what, I'M AN ENGINEER, so believe what I say.

What field and where did you get your degree?

Rhino369 posted on 2009-03-26 12:19:07 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1404. To: FormerLurker (#1399)
You are trying to say that they swayed so much they fell.

Nope. That is NOT what I am "saying". What I am "saying" has been documented. That the loss of lateral stability that was designed to specifically to mitigate "sway" played a role along heat et al and helped to weaken the trusses.

war posted on 2009-03-26 12:22:18 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1405. To: FormerLurker (#1399)
and since there was only a slight wind that morning,

Before you said that there was no wind.
Have you neen convnced otherwise?

war posted on 2009-03-26 12:23:18 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1406. To: F16Fighter (#1394)
He once called George Bush a 'cokehead' and then embraced him.

1999 = Jorge Boooosh bad
2000 = All Hail the Decider !

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara posted on 2009-03-26 12:23:22 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1407. To: war (#985)
My problem is that I can smell bullshit a mile away...and how I have survived in this business is in knowing when to expose it and when to ignore it and allow it's own stink to out it...

Sometimes we may not realize and admit it, but that cloud of methane is occasionally reeking from behind our own hind-quarters.
" I'm curious as to when you - and anyone else who may read this post - started posting on the web. I started in 1995 on MSN's Discuss and Debate which became Politics and Philosophy ..."
I first began posting to various forums back in 1996...and finally landed at Free Republic in 1999.

Liberator posted on 2009-03-26 12:23:48 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1408. To: F16Fighter (#1394)
Jim Robinson has proven to be nothing more than an opportunist GOP-Whore, Stalinist POS, Delusional Grand Wizard, and Olive Garden Junkie.

I asked for a refund but he ignored me. I could share rimjob stories for a straight week and not slow down.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara posted on 2009-03-26 12:25:04 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1409. To: F16Fighter (#1400)
OR, rather how it's interpreted by activist (i.e. Leftist) judges.

That cuts both ways...and it's right wing judges who are more likey to grant legitimacy to an exercise of power by the government and leftsist judges the broadening of a right to the people.
Which would you rather have?

war posted on 2009-03-26 12:25:35 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1410. To: war (#1396)
Ye4t, oddly, you;ve been unable to pinpoint those lies and have told several of your own, e.g, no explosion INSIDE the building...the damage was pinholes...outer wall did not have vertical load responsibilities...the building had no sway...

You love to misrepresent my words and make some up for added effect.
Of course there was an explosion in the building, caused by explosives. Of course the was an initial fireball of jet fuel when the planes struck the towers, the wings carry the fuel and when the wings hit the tanks burst causing MOST of the fuel to ignite OUTSIDE the building. That is obvious from the photos and videos of the impacts.
The exterior walls had relatively minor damage in relation to the overall structure, and would not cause the structure to lose it's ability to support itself.
The outer wall didn't carry the brunt of the vertical load, the core supported MOST of the vertical load of the structure. The outer wall was chiefly to provide lateral support, to stabalize the vertical load, and to allow the building to distribute its load evenly across the entire structure.
If the BOTTOM of the outer wall had been demolished that might have posed a problem, but the relativly minor damage at the upper levels of the building could not and would not cause a collapse.
As far as sway, I've never said it didn't have a slight sway to it. It DID have a slight sway on very windy days, and was designed to do so. YOU however are trying to say it was swaying all over the place on 9/11 and that's what caused it to fall. There was very little wind that day for one, and any sway was minimal.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-03-26 12:25:35 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1411. To: F16Fighter (#1407)
Sometimes we may not realize and admit it, but that cloud of methane is occasionally reeking from behind our own hind-quarters.

LOL
You've got yourself a world socialist big government statist on the line there.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara posted on 2009-03-26 12:25:57 ET Reply Trace Private Reply

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