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Title: The thread that's changed its focus from the original title. Carry on ;)
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Published: Mar 21, 2009
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Post Date: 2009-03-21 08:19:06 by Itistoolate
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#1387. To: F16Fighter (#1385)
rimjob is a $chameleon$

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara posted on 2009-03-26 11:55:31 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1388. To: bluegrass (#923)
This guy's [Rahm] Jewier:

Well, the guy's an Israel-Firster, America-Laster, a statist Commie, an anti-Capitalist, an anti-socialist, and anti-Christian....AND Enemy of the People.
IOW, Rahm possesses ZERO redeeming qualities.

Liberator posted on 2009-03-26 11:55:34 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1389. To: F16Fighter (#1388)
Rahm possesses ZERO redeeming qualities

Target practice and fertilizer?
Eff the Bankers
bluegrass posted on 2009-03-26 11:57:34 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1390. To: bluegrass (#1383)
Ain't it sad that some (like our friend war) NEED the voice of authority so that they can override their own common sense?

It's like trying to tell a Creationist that the world has been around a LOT longer than just 6000 years. No matter what you say or what information you give them, they call YOU a nut and assume a self-rightheous attitude.
In regards to 9/11 the authority is the television set, in terms of Creationism the authority is the pastor at the pulpit. Scientific principles and logical analysis are tossed out the window in either case.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-03-26 12:04:31 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1391. To: FormerLurker (#1382)
In other words you have no idea of what you're talking about,

It has been suggested that it was fortunate that the WTC did not tip over onto other buildings surrounding the area. There are several points that should be made. First, the building is not solid; it is 95 percent air and, hence, can implode onto itself. Second, there is no lateral load, even the impact of a speeding aircraft, which is sufficient to move the center of gravity one hundred feet to the side such that it is not within the base footprint of the structure.

war posted on 2009-03-26 12:06:33 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1392. To: FormerLurker (#1382)
In other words you have no idea of what you're talking about,

It has been suggested that it was fortunate that the WTC did not tip over onto other buildings surrounding the area. There are several points that should be made. First, the building is not solid; it is 95 percent air and, hence, can implode onto itself. Second, there is no lateral load, even the impact of a speeding aircraft, which is sufficient to move the center of gravity one hundred feet to the side such that it is not within the base footprint of the structure.
--Thomas W. Eagar, the Thomas Lord Professor of Materials Engineering and Engineering Systems, and Christopher Musso, graduate research student, are at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology.

war posted on 2009-03-26 12:07:07 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1393. To: bluegrass (#1383)
Ain't it sad that some (like our friend war) NEED the voice of authority so that they can override their own common sense?

I posted my source of the statement.

war posted on 2009-03-26 12:08:07 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1394. To: Rotara (#1387)
rimjob is a $chameleon$

Yep. The guy called Dubya Bush a coke-snortin' disaster for America back in 1999 (anybody got that exact quote by chance?), while swearing he'd NEVER back NcStain.
IOW, he's a two-faced BSer and tool with NO principles who bends over and instantly becomes what his overlords tell him to be.
Jim Robinson has proven to be nothing more than an opportunist GOP-Whore, Stalinist POS, Delusional Grand Wizard, and Olive Garden Junkie.
;-)

Liberator posted on 2009-03-26 12:09:31 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1395. To: FormerLurker (#1390)
...they call YOU a nut and assume a self-rightheous attitude.

The two marks of an irrational thought pattern trying to defend itself.
Eff the Bankers
bluegrass posted on 2009-03-26 12:10:00 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1396. To: FormerLurker (#1386)
What is clear is that there are MANY lies

Ye4t, oddly, you;ve been unable to pinpoint those lies and have told several of your own, e.g, no explosion INSIDE the building...the damage was pinholes...outer wall did not have vertical load responsibilities...the building had no sway...

war posted on 2009-03-26 12:10:19 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1397. To: bluegrass (#1395)
The two marks of an irrational thought pattern trying to defend itself.

Both of you are named Mark?

war posted on 2009-03-26 12:11:04 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1398. To: bluegrass (#1389)
VERY ripe fertilizer.
See? EVERYONE has their use. Even Rahmmy-Dummy-Ding-Dong.

Liberator posted on 2009-03-26 12:11:39 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1399. To: war (#1362)
Had you ever been in the towers? You could feel the sway in the upper floors. This one is the easiest of your rantings to bitch slap. The towers swayed...it 's why lateral support was so important.

You are trying to say that they swayed so much they fell. That is a lie.
You are trying to say by swaying, their center of gravity shifted and they collapsed. That is a lie.
I said that they didn't sway any more so than usual, and since there was only a slight wind that morning, any swaying was minimal. That is a factual observation.
Grow up.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-03-26 12:13:51 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1400. To: war, bluegrass (#958)
The law is what it is.

OR, rather how it's interpreted by activist (i.e. Leftist) judges.

Liberator posted on 2009-03-26 12:16:30 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1401. To: F16Fighter (#1394)
Jim Robinson has proven to be nothing more than an opportunist GOP-Whore, Stalinist POS, Delusional Grand Wizard, and Olive Garden Junkie.

You just summed-up Freeperland and it's entire existence up to this very moment.
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"This man is Jesus,” shouted one man, spilling his Guinness as Barack Obama began his inaugural address. “When will he come to Kenya to save us?”
“The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people…and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit!”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
X-15 posted on 2009-03-26 12:16:59 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1402. To: F16Fighter (#1388)
Well, the guy's an Israel-Firster, America-Laster, a statist Commie, an anti-Capitalist, an anti-socialist, and anti-Christian....AND Enemy of the People.
IOW, Rahm possesses ZERO redeeming qualities.

He's the cabal's favorite mensch me thinks.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara posted on 2009-03-26 12:18:14 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1403. To: FormerLurker (#1382)
Guess what, I'M AN ENGINEER, so believe what I say.

What field and where did you get your degree?

Rhino369 posted on 2009-03-26 12:19:07 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1404. To: FormerLurker (#1399)
You are trying to say that they swayed so much they fell.

Nope. That is NOT what I am "saying". What I am "saying" has been documented. That the loss of lateral stability that was designed to specifically to mitigate "sway" played a role along heat et al and helped to weaken the trusses.

war posted on 2009-03-26 12:22:18 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1405. To: FormerLurker (#1399)
and since there was only a slight wind that morning,

Before you said that there was no wind.
Have you neen convnced otherwise?

war posted on 2009-03-26 12:23:18 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1406. To: F16Fighter (#1394)
He once called George Bush a 'cokehead' and then embraced him.

1999 = Jorge Boooosh bad
2000 = All Hail the Decider !

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara posted on 2009-03-26 12:23:22 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1407. To: war (#985)
My problem is that I can smell bullshit a mile away...and how I have survived in this business is in knowing when to expose it and when to ignore it and allow it's own stink to out it...

Sometimes we may not realize and admit it, but that cloud of methane is occasionally reeking from behind our own hind-quarters.
" I'm curious as to when you - and anyone else who may read this post - started posting on the web. I started in 1995 on MSN's Discuss and Debate which became Politics and Philosophy ..."
I first began posting to various forums back in 1996...and finally landed at Free Republic in 1999.

Liberator posted on 2009-03-26 12:23:48 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1408. To: F16Fighter (#1394)
Jim Robinson has proven to be nothing more than an opportunist GOP-Whore, Stalinist POS, Delusional Grand Wizard, and Olive Garden Junkie.

I asked for a refund but he ignored me. I could share rimjob stories for a straight week and not slow down.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara posted on 2009-03-26 12:25:04 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1409. To: F16Fighter (#1400)
OR, rather how it's interpreted by activist (i.e. Leftist) judges.

That cuts both ways...and it's right wing judges who are more likey to grant legitimacy to an exercise of power by the government and leftsist judges the broadening of a right to the people.
Which would you rather have?

war posted on 2009-03-26 12:25:35 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1410. To: war (#1396)
Ye4t, oddly, you;ve been unable to pinpoint those lies and have told several of your own, e.g, no explosion INSIDE the building...the damage was pinholes...outer wall did not have vertical load responsibilities...the building had no sway...

You love to misrepresent my words and make some up for added effect.
Of course there was an explosion in the building, caused by explosives. Of course the was an initial fireball of jet fuel when the planes struck the towers, the wings carry the fuel and when the wings hit the tanks burst causing MOST of the fuel to ignite OUTSIDE the building. That is obvious from the photos and videos of the impacts.
The exterior walls had relatively minor damage in relation to the overall structure, and would not cause the structure to lose it's ability to support itself.
The outer wall didn't carry the brunt of the vertical load, the core supported MOST of the vertical load of the structure. The outer wall was chiefly to provide lateral support, to stabalize the vertical load, and to allow the building to distribute its load evenly across the entire structure.
If the BOTTOM of the outer wall had been demolished that might have posed a problem, but the relativly minor damage at the upper levels of the building could not and would not cause a collapse.
As far as sway, I've never said it didn't have a slight sway to it. It DID have a slight sway on very windy days, and was designed to do so. YOU however are trying to say it was swaying all over the place on 9/11 and that's what caused it to fall. There was very little wind that day for one, and any sway was minimal.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-03-26 12:25:35 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1411. To: F16Fighter (#1407)
Sometimes we may not realize and admit it, but that cloud of methane is occasionally reeking from behind our own hind-quarters.

LOL
You've got yourself a world socialist big government statist on the line there.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara posted on 2009-03-26 12:25:57 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1412. To: FormerLurker (#1410)
You love to misrepresent my words and make some up for added effect.

Did the planes explode in inside the building?

war posted on 2009-03-26 12:26:39 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1413. To: war (#1405)
Before you said that there was no wind.
Have you neen convnced otherwise?

Any wind was minimal, and there are images that show instances where there was no wind.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-03-26 12:26:44 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1414. To: Rotara (#1378)

Your attempts at revisionism might fool the suckers - the fact is that you flat out shilled for the black Mussolini like a bleeding heart world socialist and it will never be forgotten, gun grabber.

Never happened. You're coming off as an even bigger lemming than JT.

Pinguinite posted on 2009-03-26 12:28:11 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1415. To: war (#1412)
Did the planes explode in inside the building?

The jet fuel ignited but didn't really explode. For there to be an explosion there has to be a confined space, so a fuel tank could explode, but the tanks had burst outside the building so no, the fuel didn't explode inside the building.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-03-26 12:28:55 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1416. To: Rotara (#1402)
He's [Rahm] the cabal's favorite mensch me thinks.

That Rahhhhhm weaseled his way into both the Klinton & Kenyan administrations as an anti-American commie subversive and Israeli citizen firster, and gotten away with as much crap as he's gotten away with (NOTHING sticks to this guy) demonstrates that he's got some major juice backing him up.

Liberator posted on 2009-03-26 12:29:28 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1417. To: Pinguinite (#1414)
Liar

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara posted on 2009-03-26 12:29:36 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1418. To: FormerLurker (#1410)
The exterior walls had relatively minor damage in relation to the overall structure

This picture shows severance across the entire facade:

This one shows severance across most of another facade and wholly across the face of another:

Minor damage my ass...

war posted on 2009-03-26 12:31:00 ET (3 images) Reply Trace Private Reply
#1419. To: F16Fighter (#1416)
I can't tell if Israel runs ameriKa, if ameriKa runs Israel or if they're both taking orders from the banksters in coordinated fashion.
Hmmm

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara posted on 2009-03-26 12:31:07 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1420. To: Rotara (#1379)
There are 2 kinds of people on 4um. Those that like Obama because they are white guilters, and those who hate Obama because they are racists.

At least that seems to be the options put forth collectively by us 4umers.

what a joke

It was a joke. 4um was pretty much a zoo then. And now it seems the animals are coming back out of their cages.

Pinguinite posted on 2009-03-26 12:33:02 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1421. To: Rotara (#1417)
Okay, prove it.

Pinguinite posted on 2009-03-26 12:34:34 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1422. To: Rotara (#1379)
For reasons that fly past me, Mr. Neil forgot to add that many here knew Obama was a socialist who would perform as advertised. Time has proven us right. It's very hard to have it both ways with people who have core principles and refuse to be suckered into the political system.

Jethro Tull posted on 2009-03-26 12:35:11 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1423. To: Rotara (#1408)
I asked for a refund but he ignored me. I could share rimjob stories for a straight week and not slow down.

Huh?? JimRob IGNORED your refund request?? SHOCKING! LOL...To think - some Freepers gave him auto-access to PayPal and Debit/Credit Card accounts is scary.
Oh, we could share some stories alright - I pulled off TWO major Opuses under TWO names - both of which Rimmy finally had to shut down after he and his Mods were exposed as jerks and hypocrites.

Liberator posted on 2009-03-26 12:37:55 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1424. To: Pinguinite (#1372)
You're an absolutely clueless ass.

Neil, I'm sure some would agree that I'm an ass, but classless? You live in a freaking jungle for crying out loud.

Jethro Tull posted on 2009-03-26 12:38:08 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1425. To: war (#1418)
Minor damage my ass...

RELATIVELY minor damage you idiot. Certainly nothing that could cause the tower to collapse.
BTW, you never addressed the amount of kinetic energy required to break all the undamaged floors below the damaged part of the structure. Being that you don't understand college level physics or engineering, I guess you have no clue.
SO you really should just go read some books on freshman year physics and THEN maybe you'd have an idea of how impossible it would be for the building to collapse as it did.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-03-26 12:38:11 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1426. To: Pinguinite (#1420)
And now it seems the animals are coming back out of their cages.

Yeah you're back.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara posted on 2009-03-26 12:38:15 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1427. To: Pinguinite (#1421)
Okay, prove it.

How many times ?
It's in your posting history for anyone that wants to research it.
You and I both know the truth already, however you're a fucking L-I-A-R that would like to waste more of my time.
You made it clear that you're a gun grabbing world socialist, that didn't work and you left.
Now you're back. You still won't admit the truth.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara posted on 2009-03-26 12:40:04 ET Reply Trace Private Reply

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