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Title: The thread that's changed its focus from the original title. Carry on ;)
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Published: Mar 21, 2009
Author: m e
Post Date: 2009-03-21 08:19:06 by Itistoolate
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Officer Jack McLamb's shows:
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#1443. To: FormerLurker (#1441)
And BTW, there has to be something to explode for it to explode. The majority of the planes sliced through the buildings and were shredded as they passed through it.

Did you mean to shoot yourself in the foot?

war posted on 2009-03-26 12:54:24 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1444. To: F16Fighter (#1442)
I dare say you and I were "best friends" for years and years. ;-)

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara posted on 2009-03-26 12:55:58 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1445. To: war (#1371)
I sent several of the links from my home computer to my work computer but I just copied and pasted them so I am not sure what I have here but I based that upon an analysis I had read that was complied by an engineer who said that the force of impact and resulting damage and which caused a weight shift implied that the center o gravity of actually shifted outside of the buildings' footptint. Now, I am not an engineer so I may have misunderstood his statement. It is that statement upon which I based my statement.

So now you're denying you posted what you posted. How not surprising...
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-03-26 12:56:12 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1446. To: F16Fighter (#1442)
vigilante bump

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara posted on 2009-03-26 12:56:21 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1447. To: Rotara (#1434)
Yeah - Now that we're totally hijacked, America is merely NWO muscle and a printing press. UNTIL the Sheeple get a clue (if ever, and before it's TOO too late.)

Liberator posted on 2009-03-26 12:58:22 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1448. To: war (#1443)
I don't have time to waste on trolls. I've already wasted WAY too much time on you, as you are NOT trying to debate anything, you're just clinging to the "muzzies hate us for our freedom" bullshit and twist yourself into a pretzel trying to concoct versions of the events that will satisfy your concept of what happened.
I have more important things to do than to argue with an idiot.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-03-26 12:58:51 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1449. To: F16Fighter (#1447)
I don't see how those with their hands out will ever turn on their master.
That means not only is the vote fixed, it's not even viable because of self interest.
Mob Rule
The only way out is going to require bloodshed.
Wish I were wrong.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara posted on 2009-03-26 13:01:10 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1450. To: war (#1437)
NOwhere in my statement did I mean to exclude mine, mon frer...
Did you hear about the F-22 yesterday, dude?

Lol, I realize we're ALL guilty of methane emissions now and then...
No, I did not hear about the F-22...Did it mistakenly drop a bomb anywhere near DC? ;-)

Liberator posted on 2009-03-26 13:01:50 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1451. To: Rotara (#1444)
I dare say you and I were "best friends" for years and years. ;-)

Really? This is like "What's My Line"!

Liberator posted on 2009-03-26 13:02:52 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1452. To: F16Fighter (#1451)
LOL

yup

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara posted on 2009-03-26 13:03:13 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1453. To: F16Fighter (#1450)
No, I did not hear about the F-22...

One augered in near Edwards...

war posted on 2009-03-26 13:03:56 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1454. To: Rotara (#1446)
vigilante bump

AYE!

Liberator posted on 2009-03-26 13:06:07 ET (1 image) Reply Trace Private Reply
#1455. To: war (#1453)
The F-22 test pilot went down...too bad...
It's also too bad he was about 3,000 miles from making a "statement" ;-)

Liberator posted on 2009-03-26 13:08:49 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1456. To: FormerLurker (#1445)
So now you're denying you posted what you posted. How not surprising...

That is not saying that I do not understand PHYSICS, doof.
I understand the concept of C/G and I understand how structural engineers use engineering to counter the affects of gravity which would explicate the need for a fixed center of gravity...from the way that ststement reads, it appeared to me to imply that the shifting weight loads of the impact implied that the form of the structure became IRREGULAR to its design and thus the center of gravity shifted away from its fixed point. If that is incorrect then it is incorrect. It is an observation that affects NOTHING.
It's not as if I claimed that the planes waited until after they were shred to bits as they passed through the structure and then passed outside of the structure to explode.

war posted on 2009-03-26 13:10:24 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1457. To: F16Fighter (#1450)
Lol, I realize we're ALL guilty of methane emissions now and then...

Dude...it powers the internet!!!!

war posted on 2009-03-26 13:11:22 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1458. To: F16Fighter (#1455)
It did not release any details of the accident, including whether Cooley attempted to eject.

I am fascinated with piloting aircraft and my childhood dream was to be an astronaut [in fact, some people INSIST that I am a real spaceman.]
Anyway, I've read in several places that test pilots are loathe to eject and go through a process of "I'll try 'A'...I'll try 'B'..." etc etc etc trying to define the equipment to the envelope.

war posted on 2009-03-26 13:15:46 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1459. To: Rotara (#1449)
I don't see how those with their hands out will ever turn on their master.
That means not only is the vote fixed, it's not even viable because of self interest.
Mob Rule
The only way out is going to require bloodshed.
Wish I were wrong.

Spot on assessment of the situation...
(and I wish you were wrong as well)

Liberator posted on 2009-03-26 13:16:08 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1460. To: war (#1457)
Dude...it powers the internet!!!!

D@am...We could even power CITIES!! And dump (pun intended) OPEC!!
Oh...and no wonder my laptop battery NEVER runs out while I'm posting!

Liberator posted on 2009-03-26 13:18:23 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1461. To: FormerLurker (#1413)
Any wind was minimal, and there are images that show instances where there was no wind.

Post it...

war posted on 2009-03-26 13:19:31 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1462. To: war (#1439)
Christine deleted that post

what post are you referring to? i don't recall deleting any posts.

christine posted on 2009-03-26 13:21:32 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1463. To: F16Fighter (#1459)
you have email

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara posted on 2009-03-26 13:27:11 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1464. To: war (#1458)
Either the pilot's ejection system malfunctioned, OR the guy too low to eject. OR even many of the F-22's components were made in China, ergo a piece of crap.
You an space-nut? I'd have never guessed ;-) Ever hand-glide?
Nope, and who can blame test pilots for shying away from hitting the buffet table of what may or may not be safe equipment.

Liberator posted on 2009-03-26 13:27:54 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1465. To: F16Fighter (#1464)
Ever hand-glide?

FOFLOL !

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara posted on 2009-03-26 13:29:10 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1466. To: FormerLurker, war, TwentyTwelve, Wudidiz, all (#1386)
What is clear is that there are MANY lies and distortions being given as the "official truth" that are simply improbable or impossible, and not only is that reason to investigate what really DID happen, but to wonder why those in the US government and the media would try to coverup what DID happen.

Exactly. We do not have to have a complete solution to know that the Official Fairy Tale is contradicted by multiple documented datums and is thus not the correct solution. Without even getting heated about it we can point out the contradictions in the players who were trained at U.S. Fedgov installations, the known incompetence of the pilots, the stand down of NORAD and their inability to intercept (or so they say) ANY of the 4 aircraft, the failure of even one of the 4 aircraft to transmit the 4 digit hijack code (which takes about 2 to 3 seconds),the transfer of monies from the CIA connected Pakistani ISI to Mohammed Atta, the presence of Thermate residue on girders from the towers, the fact that the structural steel was protected from examination by ARMED GUARDS, and the list goes on to several hundred to several thousand anomalies all of which contradict the Official Fairy Tale.
This is even before we get to the government obstructionism and prevention of an honest review and analysis of the data:
A Fema Report which has had to be revised and re-explained because it has been shredded and is little better than a laughingstock.
NIST, which has several top experts on nano-thermates, which has refused to consider and has steadfastly avoided examining the residue. They had to invent an entirely new physics to try to explain away Building 7's collapse - which is laughed at everywhere but the controlled U.S. Media.
The firing of an environmental scientist at Underwriter Laboratories for pointing out that the structural steel in the towers had been certified for higher temperatures, by UL, than were known to have occurred in the towers.
Professor Stephen Jones' work on the physics of the collapses and chemical analysis of thermate residues. (Which resulted in massive heat on BYU, where he was a well respected Professor of Physics, and he was forced out with a Golden Handshake). His work was repudiated by Administrators but not the faculty who turned out in his support. (BYU has a lot of programs dependent on FEDGOV funding.)
The Popular Mechanics Hit Piece which has been shredded, shown to be false, and which used doctored photographs, misrepresented as Bldg. 7 but were actually of Bldg. 6 but had been reoriented, to try to push the cover legend.
I could go on for several pages on the anomalies surrounding 911. Take for example the famous Dancing Troupe from Israel - "The Dancing Israelis" who were set up and photographing the towers BEFORE their collapse. In fact the reports seem to indicate they were setting up BEFORE the first plane hit.
Then their was the e-mail warning to employees of Odigo, an Israeli owned company, warning them to stay away from the towers that morning.
The more layers of the cover story you peel back the more that onion disappears as the chimera it is.
""I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
Original_Intent posted on 2009-03-26 13:30:59 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1467. To: Rotara, christine, war (#1465)
Ping to my above. Lets see how war tries to explain this one away. He will, that is absolutely predictable, or ignore it as too hot to touch.
""I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
Original_Intent posted on 2009-03-26 13:33:12 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1468. To: Original_Intent (#1466)
They had to invent an entirely new physics to try to explain away Building 7's collapse - which is laughed at everywhere but the controlled U.S. Media.

The suspension of belief is required to accept any of it, but especially building 7.
*ESPECIALLY* 7.
The fairy tale believers won't even touch it no matter how many times the evidence is put before them.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara posted on 2009-03-26 13:34:39 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1469. To: Original_Intent (#1466)
The firing of an environmental scientist at Underwriter Laboratories for pointing out that the structural steel in the towers had been certified for higher temperatures, by UL, than were known to have occurred in the towers.

Does he have a website by chance ?

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara posted on 2009-03-26 13:35:34 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1470. To: Original_Intent (#1466)
(BYU has a lot of programs dependent on FEDGOV funding.)

To hell with the truth - SHOW ME DAH DOLLAHS !!

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara posted on 2009-03-26 13:36:26 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1471. To: Original_Intent (#1466)
the transfer of monies from the CIA connected Pakistani ISI to Mohammed Atta

They won't touch that one either.
It's not pride that causes these tools to carry on with the fairy tale - it's an agenda.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara posted on 2009-03-26 13:37:29 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1472. To: Original_Intent (#1466)
The Popular Mechanics Hit Piece which has been shredded, shown to be false, and which used doctored photographs, misrepresented as Bldg. 7 but were actually of Bldg. 6 but had been reoriented, to try to push the cover legend.

grrr

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara posted on 2009-03-26 13:39:10 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1473. To: Original_Intent (#1466)
the stand down of NORAD and their inability to intercept (or so they say) ANY of the 4 aircraft, the failure of even one of the 4 aircraft to transmit the 4 digit hijack code (which takes about 2 to 3 seconds),

that's enough for me right there not to believe the Official Story.

christine posted on 2009-03-26 13:49:47 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1474. To: Rotara, war, TwentyTwelve, Wudidiz, FormerLurker, all (#1468)
No matter how they try Building 7 is the one element for which no Official Fairy Tale has ever come close to explaining and they won't touch the obvious conclusion observable in the physical data i.e., it was "pulled". Explosive demolition is the only hypothesis that accounts for ALL of the data known about the collapse of Building 7.
One need only look at it objectively:
The building's collapse was symmetrical i.e., it collapsed at all points in 360 degrees simultaneously.
Viewing the films you can slow it down and watch it in slow motion and note that the first cracks appear simultaneously along two lines along the reinforced central core and then the building proceeds to collapse in on itself and neatly into its own footprint.
The building's collapse from initiation to completion took 6.6 seconds. A pure freefall from the buildings top, say if you dropped a Bowling Ball, is 6 seconds. So, the obvious conclusion is that the structure offered little or no resistance to the collapse of the structure. The only way that occurs is if the underlying structure is removed and the only way you do that is with explosives.
So you have the following signature items:
Symmetrical Collapse in 360 degrees.
It fell at an effectively freefall rate.
The rubble accumulated in the footprint of the structure.
These are all signatures of an explosive demolition not of a catastrophic collapse. If one studies the history of catastrophic collapse one finds that there is always a first failure point and that the failure is not uniform throughout the structure. Having a first failure point the structure fails, collapses, in the direction of the weak point not uniformly in 360 degrees nor symmetrically.
""I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
Original_Intent posted on 2009-03-26 13:50:39 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1475. To: Rotara (#1469)
Does he have a website by chance ?

Don't know. I forget his name but you could use this search string an likely pull it up:
UL 911 Scientist Fired steel.
""I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
Original_Intent posted on 2009-03-26 13:53:11 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1476. To: Original_Intent (#1466)
Professor Stephen Jones' work on the physics of the collapses and chemical analysis of thermate residues. (Which resulted in massive heat on BYU

Where did Jones get his samples, Moonie?

war posted on 2009-03-26 13:55:20 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1477. To: christine (#1473)
the stand down of NORAD and their inability to intercept (or so they say) ANY of the 4 aircraft, the failure of even one of the 4 aircraft to transmit the 4 digit hijack code (which takes about 2 to 3 seconds),
that's enough for me right there not to believe the Official Story.

That was what first alerted me that all was not as represented. I was in the military and I know how stuff like this operates. NORAD does not Stand Down like this during an emergency. If they were as incompetent as misrepresented the Officers in charge should have been Courts Martialed. However, they were not. That in and of itself is an interesting datum. In fact NO ONE INDIVIDUAL has ever been Courts Martialed or Fired for 911. "But Holmes the dog did not bark in the night" "Exactly Watson, and that is what is curious."
As well one could assume that the "hijackers" were able to get into the cockpit fast enough on one aircraft to prevent the transmission of the hijack code, but in all 4? Give me a break. The only way that happens is by tampering with the Avionics system which requires both skills and access the "hijackers" did not have.
""I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
Original_Intent posted on 2009-03-26 13:59:42 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1478. To: Original_Intent (#1466)
The firing of an environmental scientist at Underwriter Laboratories for pointing out that the structural steel in the towers had been certified for higher temperatures, by UL, than were known to have occurred in the towers.

U:L does not certify structural steel.
UL does not certify structural steel, such as the beams, columns and trusses used in World Trade Center," said Paul M. Baker, the company's spokesman.

war posted on 2009-03-26 14:12:27 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1479. To: war, FormerLurker, TwentyTwelve, Wudidiz, tom007, litus, christine, all (#1476)
Professor Stephen Jones' work on the physics of the collapses and chemical analysis of thermate residues. (Which resulted in massive heat on BYU
Where did Jones get his samples, Moonie?

You have learned your lessons well young Sith. When all else fails - lie by implication and attack the messenger while avoiding any substance.
Uh, war old buddy? Your schtick is wearing pretty thin. At this point you are pretty well outed as a paid disinfo shill. You exhibit all the hallmarks and use all the tactics of a professional disinformationist.
The only question remaining is: Who do you work for?
Twenty Five Ways to Suppress The Truth: The Rules of Disinformation
3. Create rumor mongers. Avoid discussing issues by describing all charges, regardless of venue or evidence, as mere rumors and wild accusations. Other derogatory terms mutually exclusive of truth may work as well. This method which works especially well with a silent press, because the only way the public can learn of the facts are through such 'arguable rumors'. If you can associate the material with the Internet, use this fact to certify it a 'wild rumor' from a 'bunch of kids on the Internet' which can have no basis in fact.
5. Sidetrack opponents with name calling and ridicule. This is also known as the primary 'attack the messenger' ploy, though other methods qualify as variants of that approach. Associate opponents with unpopular titles such as 'kooks', 'right-wing', 'liberal', 'left-wing', 'terrorists', 'conspiracy buffs', 'radicals', 'militia', 'racists', 'religious fanatics', 'sexual deviates', and so forth. This makes others shrink from support out of fear of gaining the same label, and you avoid dealing with issues.
9. Play Dumb. No matter what evidence or logical argument is offered, avoid discussing issues except with denials they have any credibility, make any sense, provide any proof, contain or make a point, have logic, or support a conclusion. Mix well for maximum effect.
17. Change the subject. Usually in connection with one of the other ploys listed here, find a way to side-track the discussion with abrasive or controversial comments in hopes of turning attention to a new, more manageable topic. This works especially well with companions who can 'argue' with you over the new topic and polarize the discussion arena in order to avoid discussing more key issues.
18. Emotionalize, Antagonize, and Goad Opponents. If you can't do anything else, chide and taunt your opponents and draw them into emotional responses which will tend to make them look foolish and overly motivated, and generally render their material somewhat less coherent. Not only will you avoid discussing the issues in the first instance, but even if their emotional response addresses the issue, you can further avoid the issues by then focusing on how 'sensitive they are to criticism.'
""I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
Original_Intent posted on 2009-03-26 14:12:48 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1480. To: Original_Intent (#1479)
Where did Jones get his samples, Moonie?

war posted on 2009-03-26 14:14:50 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1481. To: Original_Intent (#1477)
As well one could assume that the "hijackers" were able to get into the cockpit fast enough on one aircraft to prevent the transmission of the hijack code, but in all 4? Give me a break. The only way that happens is by tampering with the Avionics system which requires both skills and access the "hijackers" did not have.

good information. thank you.

christine posted on 2009-03-26 14:14:58 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1482. To: war (#1478)
The firing of an environmental scientist at Underwriter Laboratories for pointing out that the structural steel in the towers had been certified for higher temperatures, by UL, than were known to have occurred in the towers.
U:L does not certify structural steel.
UL does not certify structural steel, such as the beams, columns and trusses used in World Trade Center," said Paul M. Baker, the company's spokesman.

Nice bit of weasel wording that.
UL tested the steel to insure that it met the represented ASTM standard.
So, while you can play with semantics the underlying datum is true and correct. The steel was tested which is the point you carefully avoided.
4. Use a straw man. Find or create a seeming element of your opponent's argument which you can easily knock down to make yourself look good and the opponent to look bad. Either make up an issue you may safely imply exists based on your interpretation of the opponent/opponent arguments/situation, or select the weakest aspect of the weakest charges. Amplify their significance and destroy them in a way which appears to debunk all the charges, real and fabricated alike, while actually avoiding discussion of the real issues.
Example: When trying to defeat reports by the Times of London that spy-sat images reveal an object racing towards and striking flight 800, a straw man is used. The disinformationalist, later identified as having worked for Naval Intelligence, simply stated: 'If these images exist, the public has not seen them. Why? They don't exist, and never did. You have no evidence and thus, your entire case falls flat.'
Proper response: 'You are avoiding the issue with disinformation tactics. You imply deceit and deliberately establish an impossible and unwarranted test. It is perfectly natural that the public has not seen them, nor will they for some considerable time, if ever. To produce them would violate national security with respect to intelligence gathering capabilities and limitations, and you should know this. Why do you refuse to address the issues with such disinformation tactics (rule 4 - use a straw man)?'
""I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
Original_Intent posted on 2009-03-26 14:21:35 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1483. To: christine (#1481)
You are most welcome.
""I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
Original_Intent posted on 2009-03-26 14:22:31 ET Reply Trace Private Reply

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