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Published: Mar 21, 2009
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Post Date: 2009-03-21 08:19:06 by Itistoolate
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#1473. To: Original_Intent (#1466)
the stand down of NORAD and their inability to intercept (or so they say) ANY of the 4 aircraft, the failure of even one of the 4 aircraft to transmit the 4 digit hijack code (which takes about 2 to 3 seconds),

that's enough for me right there not to believe the Official Story.

christine posted on 2009-03-26 13:49:47 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1474. To: Rotara, war, TwentyTwelve, Wudidiz, FormerLurker, all (#1468)
No matter how they try Building 7 is the one element for which no Official Fairy Tale has ever come close to explaining and they won't touch the obvious conclusion observable in the physical data i.e., it was "pulled". Explosive demolition is the only hypothesis that accounts for ALL of the data known about the collapse of Building 7.
One need only look at it objectively:
The building's collapse was symmetrical i.e., it collapsed at all points in 360 degrees simultaneously.
Viewing the films you can slow it down and watch it in slow motion and note that the first cracks appear simultaneously along two lines along the reinforced central core and then the building proceeds to collapse in on itself and neatly into its own footprint.
The building's collapse from initiation to completion took 6.6 seconds. A pure freefall from the buildings top, say if you dropped a Bowling Ball, is 6 seconds. So, the obvious conclusion is that the structure offered little or no resistance to the collapse of the structure. The only way that occurs is if the underlying structure is removed and the only way you do that is with explosives.
So you have the following signature items:
Symmetrical Collapse in 360 degrees.
It fell at an effectively freefall rate.
The rubble accumulated in the footprint of the structure.
These are all signatures of an explosive demolition not of a catastrophic collapse. If one studies the history of catastrophic collapse one finds that there is always a first failure point and that the failure is not uniform throughout the structure. Having a first failure point the structure fails, collapses, in the direction of the weak point not uniformly in 360 degrees nor symmetrically.
""I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
Original_Intent posted on 2009-03-26 13:50:39 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1475. To: Rotara (#1469)
Does he have a website by chance ?

Don't know. I forget his name but you could use this search string an likely pull it up:
UL 911 Scientist Fired steel.
""I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
Original_Intent posted on 2009-03-26 13:53:11 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1476. To: Original_Intent (#1466)
Professor Stephen Jones' work on the physics of the collapses and chemical analysis of thermate residues. (Which resulted in massive heat on BYU

Where did Jones get his samples, Moonie?

war posted on 2009-03-26 13:55:20 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1477. To: christine (#1473)
the stand down of NORAD and their inability to intercept (or so they say) ANY of the 4 aircraft, the failure of even one of the 4 aircraft to transmit the 4 digit hijack code (which takes about 2 to 3 seconds),
that's enough for me right there not to believe the Official Story.

That was what first alerted me that all was not as represented. I was in the military and I know how stuff like this operates. NORAD does not Stand Down like this during an emergency. If they were as incompetent as misrepresented the Officers in charge should have been Courts Martialed. However, they were not. That in and of itself is an interesting datum. In fact NO ONE INDIVIDUAL has ever been Courts Martialed or Fired for 911. "But Holmes the dog did not bark in the night" "Exactly Watson, and that is what is curious."
As well one could assume that the "hijackers" were able to get into the cockpit fast enough on one aircraft to prevent the transmission of the hijack code, but in all 4? Give me a break. The only way that happens is by tampering with the Avionics system which requires both skills and access the "hijackers" did not have.
""I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
Original_Intent posted on 2009-03-26 13:59:42 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1478. To: Original_Intent (#1466)
The firing of an environmental scientist at Underwriter Laboratories for pointing out that the structural steel in the towers had been certified for higher temperatures, by UL, than were known to have occurred in the towers.

U:L does not certify structural steel.
UL does not certify structural steel, such as the beams, columns and trusses used in World Trade Center," said Paul M. Baker, the company's spokesman.

war posted on 2009-03-26 14:12:27 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1479. To: war, FormerLurker, TwentyTwelve, Wudidiz, tom007, litus, christine, all (#1476)
Professor Stephen Jones' work on the physics of the collapses and chemical analysis of thermate residues. (Which resulted in massive heat on BYU
Where did Jones get his samples, Moonie?

You have learned your lessons well young Sith. When all else fails - lie by implication and attack the messenger while avoiding any substance.
Uh, war old buddy? Your schtick is wearing pretty thin. At this point you are pretty well outed as a paid disinfo shill. You exhibit all the hallmarks and use all the tactics of a professional disinformationist.
The only question remaining is: Who do you work for?
Twenty Five Ways to Suppress The Truth: The Rules of Disinformation
3. Create rumor mongers. Avoid discussing issues by describing all charges, regardless of venue or evidence, as mere rumors and wild accusations. Other derogatory terms mutually exclusive of truth may work as well. This method which works especially well with a silent press, because the only way the public can learn of the facts are through such 'arguable rumors'. If you can associate the material with the Internet, use this fact to certify it a 'wild rumor' from a 'bunch of kids on the Internet' which can have no basis in fact.
5. Sidetrack opponents with name calling and ridicule. This is also known as the primary 'attack the messenger' ploy, though other methods qualify as variants of that approach. Associate opponents with unpopular titles such as 'kooks', 'right-wing', 'liberal', 'left-wing', 'terrorists', 'conspiracy buffs', 'radicals', 'militia', 'racists', 'religious fanatics', 'sexual deviates', and so forth. This makes others shrink from support out of fear of gaining the same label, and you avoid dealing with issues.
9. Play Dumb. No matter what evidence or logical argument is offered, avoid discussing issues except with denials they have any credibility, make any sense, provide any proof, contain or make a point, have logic, or support a conclusion. Mix well for maximum effect.
17. Change the subject. Usually in connection with one of the other ploys listed here, find a way to side-track the discussion with abrasive or controversial comments in hopes of turning attention to a new, more manageable topic. This works especially well with companions who can 'argue' with you over the new topic and polarize the discussion arena in order to avoid discussing more key issues.
18. Emotionalize, Antagonize, and Goad Opponents. If you can't do anything else, chide and taunt your opponents and draw them into emotional responses which will tend to make them look foolish and overly motivated, and generally render their material somewhat less coherent. Not only will you avoid discussing the issues in the first instance, but even if their emotional response addresses the issue, you can further avoid the issues by then focusing on how 'sensitive they are to criticism.'
""I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
Original_Intent posted on 2009-03-26 14:12:48 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1480. To: Original_Intent (#1479)
Where did Jones get his samples, Moonie?

war posted on 2009-03-26 14:14:50 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1481. To: Original_Intent (#1477)
As well one could assume that the "hijackers" were able to get into the cockpit fast enough on one aircraft to prevent the transmission of the hijack code, but in all 4? Give me a break. The only way that happens is by tampering with the Avionics system which requires both skills and access the "hijackers" did not have.

good information. thank you.

christine posted on 2009-03-26 14:14:58 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1482. To: war (#1478)
The firing of an environmental scientist at Underwriter Laboratories for pointing out that the structural steel in the towers had been certified for higher temperatures, by UL, than were known to have occurred in the towers.
U:L does not certify structural steel.
UL does not certify structural steel, such as the beams, columns and trusses used in World Trade Center," said Paul M. Baker, the company's spokesman.

Nice bit of weasel wording that.
UL tested the steel to insure that it met the represented ASTM standard.
So, while you can play with semantics the underlying datum is true and correct. The steel was tested which is the point you carefully avoided.
4. Use a straw man. Find or create a seeming element of your opponent's argument which you can easily knock down to make yourself look good and the opponent to look bad. Either make up an issue you may safely imply exists based on your interpretation of the opponent/opponent arguments/situation, or select the weakest aspect of the weakest charges. Amplify their significance and destroy them in a way which appears to debunk all the charges, real and fabricated alike, while actually avoiding discussion of the real issues.
Example: When trying to defeat reports by the Times of London that spy-sat images reveal an object racing towards and striking flight 800, a straw man is used. The disinformationalist, later identified as having worked for Naval Intelligence, simply stated: 'If these images exist, the public has not seen them. Why? They don't exist, and never did. You have no evidence and thus, your entire case falls flat.'
Proper response: 'You are avoiding the issue with disinformation tactics. You imply deceit and deliberately establish an impossible and unwarranted test. It is perfectly natural that the public has not seen them, nor will they for some considerable time, if ever. To produce them would violate national security with respect to intelligence gathering capabilities and limitations, and you should know this. Why do you refuse to address the issues with such disinformation tactics (rule 4 - use a straw man)?'
""I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
Original_Intent posted on 2009-03-26 14:21:35 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1483. To: christine (#1481)
You are most welcome.
""I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
Original_Intent posted on 2009-03-26 14:22:31 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1484. To: Original_Intent (#1477)
As well one could assume that the "hijackers" were able to get into the cockpit fast enough on one aircraft to prevent the transmission of the hijack code, but in all 4?

In all four, the flight decks were taken by force and the crew immediately attacked...feel free to wax eloquently as to how they could defend themsleves AND type in the hikjack code.
Thanks.

war posted on 2009-03-26 14:25:14 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1485. To: Original_Intent (#1482)
UL tested the steel to insure that it met the represented ASTM standard.

Then you should hve no problem posting a primary source.
Thanks.
ON the oth rhand, there is this:
UL did not certify any steel as suggested. In fact, in U.S. practice, steel is not certified at all; rather structural assemblies are tested for their fire resistance rating in accordance with a standard procedure such as ASTM E 119 (see NCSTAR 1-6B). That the steel was “certified ... to 2000 degrees Fahrenheit for six hours” is simply not true.

war posted on 2009-03-26 14:28:25 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1486. To: Original_Intent (#1479)
Still waiting: Where did Jones get his samples, Moonie?

war posted on 2009-03-26 14:29:05 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1487. To: Original_Intent, FormerLurker (#1474)
The building's collapse from initiation to completion took 6.6 seconds.

You need to phone home for new instructions, ET.
(BNN - May 19, 2007 - New York, NY) - In the first candid admission on record by a 9/11 Truth Movement leader of being wrong, Steven Jones (above, left) admitted today that he and other 9/11 researchers "screwed up on the collapse time of WTC 7. We blew it."
For years, Jones and others have claimed that WTC 7 collapsed in 6.5 seconds, nearly free fall speed....
Responding to the overnight controversy, Steven Jones announced this morning that WTC 7 did indeed take over 13 seconds to collapse.
"We screwed up. We had never seen the CBS video when we claimed that it took WTC 7 6.5 seconds to collapse. We only relied on the street video that does not show the Penthouses. By the time we saw the CBS video, we had so much invested in the 6.5-second collapse time, we could not disappoint our supporters who were successfully using the 6.5 free fall time to push 9/11 Truth. We just ignored the evidence.

war posted on 2009-03-26 14:38:26 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1488. To: Original_Intent (#1466)
Then their was the e-mail warning to employees of Odigo, an Israeli owned company, warning them to stay away from the towers that morning.

The Odiga Myth

war posted on 2009-03-26 14:43:08 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1489. To: Rotara (#1487)
Hey YipYap....read the above about 7 and weep.

war posted on 2009-03-26 14:57:51 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1490. To: christine (#1462)
what post are you referring to? i don't recall deleting any posts.

/sarcasm...
Sorry....

war posted on 2009-03-26 15:27:13 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1491. To: war (#1488)
www.haaretz.com/hasen/pag...mNo=77744&contrassID=/has
Odigo says workers were warned of attack
Odigo, the instant messaging service, says that two of its workers received messages two hours before the Twin Towers attack on September 11 predicting the attack would happen, and the company has been cooperating with Israeli and American law enforcement, including the FBI, in trying to find the original sender of the message predicting the attack.
Micha Macover, CEO of the company, said the two workers received the messages and immediately after the terror attack informed the company's management, which immediately contacted the Israeli security services, which brought in the FBI.
"I have no idea why the message was sent to these two workers, who don't know the sender. It may just have been someone who was joking and turned out they accidentally got it right. And I don't know if our information was useful in any of the arrests the FBI has made," said Macover. Odigo is a U.S.-based company whose headquarters are in New York, with offices in Herzliya.
As an instant messaging service, Odigo users are not limited to sending messages only to people on their "buddy" list, as is the case with ICQ, the other well-known Israeli instant messaging application.
Odigo usually zealously protects the privacy of its registered users, said Macover, but in this case the company took the initiative to provide the law enforcement services with the originating Internet Presence address of the message, so the FBI could track down the Internet Service Provider, and the actual sender of the original message.
Eff the Bankers
bluegrass posted on 2009-03-26 15:31:31 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1492. To: bluegrass (#1491)
Odigo Vice President of Sales and Marketing... Alex Diamandis today in a telephone interview also said the warning message did not identify the World Trade Center as the attack target.

war posted on 2009-03-26 15:37:32 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1493. To: All (#1491)
The CEO said differently:
"...Micha Macover, CEO of the company, said the two workers received the messages and immediately after the terror attack informed the company's management, which immediately contacted the Israeli security services, which brought in the FBI.
"I have no idea why the message was sent to these two workers, who don't know the sender. It may just have been someone who was joking and turned out they accidentally got it right."
Eff the Bankers
bluegrass posted on 2009-03-26 15:39:58 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1494. To: war (#1493)
Oops. See above.
Eff the Bankers
bluegrass posted on 2009-03-26 15:42:54 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1495. To: bluegrass (#1493)
Odigo, the instant messaging service, says that two of its workers received messages two hours before the Twin Towers attack on September 11 predicting ~~the~~ an attack would happen, and the company has been cooperating with Israeli and American law enforcement, including the FBI, in trying to find the original sender of the message predicting ~~the~~ an attack.
~snip~
Amazing how you can be so easily manipulated by the very media you purport to loathe.

war posted on 2009-03-26 15:44:15 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1496. To: war (#1495)
So now you're Winston Smith?
Eff the Bankers
bluegrass posted on 2009-03-26 15:45:15 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1497. To: bluegrass (#1496)
So now you're Winston Smith?

As long as I'm not Parsons [that bloody fool]...

war posted on 2009-03-26 15:52:06 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1498. To: F16Fighter (#1455)
The F-22 test pilot went down...too bad...

Was he one of those military guys who signed the Birther protest documents, challenging the eligibility of our Negro-In-Chief?
Somebody better check. ;)

TooConservative posted on 2009-03-26 17:41:50 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1499. To: war (#1488) (Edited)
"The CBS video demonstrates that internal collapses were taking place in WTC 7 before the entire structure fell. The 9/11 Truth Movement could have argued that bombs were going off inside of WTC 7 to weaken the structure so structure collapse could take place, just like internal explosives are set off to cause a structure collapse in real controlled demolitions. Instead, they adamantly argue that no internal collapse took place before the building collapsed. Isn't that strange?"

I'm glad I lurked for awhile today, I usually just log in and miss you stupid fucking bozo fairy tale world socialist shills.
I don't subscribe to everything, only what I know. I know this guy told the truth (you can skip the truth by not watching his 'tube eyewitness account below because we both, you and I, know you're full of s#it), I know he was threatened to recant, and I know shortly thereafter his interview to the BBC he's dead at 53.
FUCK YOU you MURDERING LITTLE COCK SUCKING HIPPIE.
You can bet your ass there were internal explosions you little peckerwood.

And you're more on bozo than ever before, fukktard, so don't expect me to waste my time looking for your response = BOZO.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara posted on 2009-03-26 19:28:39 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1500. To: All (#1499)
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"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara posted on 2009-03-26 19:29:25 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1501. To: bluegrass, Rotara, christine, TwentyTwelve, Wudidiz, litus, war, all (#1493)
The CEO said differently:
"...Micha Macover, CEO of the company, said the two workers received the messages and immediately after the terror attack informed the company's management, which immediately contacted the Israeli security services, which brought in the FBI.
"I have no idea why the message was sent to these two workers, who don't know the sender. It may just have been someone who was joking and turned out they accidentally got it right."

At this point it should be pretty obvious that "war" is a professional disinformation poster. He/she/it uses all the tricks of the disinformation poster:
Personal attacks i.e., Argumentum Ad Hominem .
Selective response i.e., Strawman Argument
Red Herring i.e., demanding complete solutions, impossible proofs, and other diversionary tactics.
No, as Cardinal Spellman commented: "if it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, I call it a duck".
war uses most of the "tips and tricks" found listed in Twenty Five Ways to Suppress The Truth: The Rules of Disinformation . He really does quack me up.
One other that I've observed over time with 911 disinfo trolls: They will never, never, never, under any circumstances admit the validity of even the most minute fact in contradiction to the Official Fairy Tale. To do so of course would result in the complete destruction of their position by any able debater, because once they admit any one contrary fact they admit that the Official Fairy Tale has a hole in it, which in turn means that it is not a complete explanation, and thus an incomplete theory.
""I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
Original_Intent posted on 2009-03-26 20:07:27 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1502. To: Original_Intent (#1501) (Edited)
At this point it should be pretty obvious that "war" is a professional disinformation poster.

I'm batting 1.00 / it must be game time. ;-)

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara posted on 2009-03-26 20:10:13 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1503. To: Rotara (#1502)
And now entering the line-up ... ;-)
""I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
Original_Intent posted on 2009-03-26 20:23:09 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1504. To: Original_Intent (#1503)
I'll take our starting lineup any day of the week and twice on Thursdays !

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara posted on 2009-03-26 20:37:26 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1505. To: Original_Intent (#1479)
When all else fails - lie by implication and attack the messenger while avoiding any substance....

I've noticed that modus operandi....

litus posted on 2009-03-26 20:38:45 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1506. To: Original_Intent (#1501)
"I have no idea why the message was sent to these two workers, who don't know the sender. It may just have been someone who was joking and turned out they accidentally got it right."

So, has there been confirmation that a text message was actually sent?

litus posted on 2009-03-26 20:41:26 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1507. To: litus (#1506)
While I don't have any links handy there have been multiple confirmations of the Odigo messages. If you're curious they should be able to easily be found using a good search engine. I reccomend Scroogle.
""I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
Original_Intent posted on 2009-03-26 21:07:52 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1508. To: Original_Intent (#1507)
multiple confirmations of the Odigo messages

Interesting; I never heard of that one before. Thanks for the scroogle link. I'll add that to my search engines bookmark.

litus posted on 2009-03-26 21:10:23 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1509. To: Original_Intent (#1501)
One other that I've observed over time with 911 disinfo trolls: They will never, never, never, under any circumstances admit the validity of even the most minute fact in contradiction to the Official Fairy Tale.

i've made that observation also.

christine posted on 2009-03-26 21:20:19 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1510. To: Original_Intent (#1507)
Of interest....by googling (not scroogling) "Internet Firm Received Message Predicting Terror Attacks in US" (allegedly the title of a Deutsche Presse-Agentur (Hamburg) headline on this), I come up with only 8 results. With scroogle, I get 9 results...That's more than unusually low.

It's like it's been scrubbed from the Internet...IF that was actually the headline (which I will believe it is unless someone proves otherwise).

litus posted on 2009-03-26 21:28:20 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1511. To: war, FormerLurker, TwentyTwelve, Rotara, Wudidiz, tom007, litus, bluegrass, all (#1487)
The building's collapse from initiation to completion took 6.6 seconds.
You need to phone home for new instructions, ET.
(BNN - May 19, 2007 - New York, NY) - In the first candid admission on record by a 9/11 Truth Movement leader of being wrong, Steven Jones (above, left) admitted today that he and other 9/11 researchers "screwed up on the collapse time of WTC 7. We blew it."
For years, Jones and others have claimed that WTC 7 collapsed in 6.5 seconds, nearly free fall speed....
Responding to the overnight controversy, Steven Jones announced this morning that WTC 7 did indeed take over 13 seconds to collapse.
"We screwed up. We had never seen the CBS video when we claimed that it took WTC 7 6.5 seconds to collapse. We only relied on the street video that does not show the Penthouses. By the time we saw the CBS video, we had so much invested in the 6.5-second collapse time, we could not disappoint our supporters who were successfully using the 6.5 free fall time to push 9/11 Truth. We just ignored the evidence.

Delightfully dishonest ploy there - which took all of about 2 seconds to spot. Conflating the collapse time of the twin towers with time to collapse of WTC 7 is a comparison of unlike items. Whatever time it took for the towers collapse is irrelevant to the time to collapse for WTC 7.
Anyone can take a stopwatch and measure it for themselves. The video is readily available (where it hasn't been scrubbed). It takes approximately 6.6 seconds (that is O.6 seconds greater than a pure freefall) for WTC 7 to collapse. From the time the cracks appear in the facade as shown in the street level video to the time the structure collapses, implodes, neatly, symmetrically, in 360 degrees, into its own footprint is about 6.6 seconds. Even if you add another second or two for the penthouse the rate of collapse is impossibly fast for a normal structural failure. You are clutching at straws to avoid the conclusion demonstrated to anyone with eyes, brains, and a stopwatch - WTC 7 was collapsed via explosive demolition. Even adding a second or two does not take away from the visible and obvious evidence i.e., that the structure collapsed uniformly, symmetrically, in 360 degrees into its own footprint.
This is without taking into consideration the fact that the core of the building, as in the towers, was a massive interlaced network of heavy steel girders which had been further hardened and reinforced by Rudy Ghouliani to be the NYC command center in the event of a major natural castrophe.
Adding further circumstantial data:
Rudy Ghouliani admitted in a press conference that they had evacuated at least 6 hours ahead of the collapse.
CNN reported the collapse was imminent an hour before it happened.
The BBC reported it had collapsed a half an hour before it did - the Reporterette giving the report was filmed with it still standing in the background. The BBC scrubbed the video and then tried to deny its existence but too many people had already downloaded copies and so they were forced to backtrack.
You could probably sell your Schlock on Freeptard Republic but it is no sale here.
""I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
Original_Intent posted on 2009-03-26 21:33:08 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1512. To: Original_Intent, war (#1511)
Whatever time it took for the towers collapse is irrelevant to the time to collapse for WTC 7.
This is without taking into consideration the fact that the core of the building, as in the towers, was a massive interlaced network of heavy steel girders which had been further hardened and reinforced by Rudy Ghouliani to be the NYC command center in the event of a major natural castrophe.
Adding further circumstantial data:
Rudy Ghouliani admitted in a press conference that they had evacuated at least 6 hours ahead of the collapse.
You could probably sell your Schlock on Freeptard Republic but it is no sale here.

Agreed.

litus posted on 2009-03-26 21:36:42 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1513. To: Original_Intent (#1511)
I recall, some time ago, reading about construction work, shutting down streets, adjacent to the WTC just the week prior to 9/11.
Can't find anything at the moment while searching for it.
Do you recall reading about this "coincidence"??

litus posted on 2009-03-26 21:43:08 ET Reply Trace Private Reply

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