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Title: The thread that's changed its focus from the original title. Carry on ;)
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Published: Mar 21, 2009
Author: m e
Post Date: 2009-03-21 08:19:06 by Itistoolate
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#138. To: Jethro Tull (#136)
hate is the appropriate expression normal people have toward a government that slaughters millions of innocent people in illegal wars

Not to mention Immoral.
"Satan / Cheney in "08"
tom007 posted on 2009-03-22 0:07:29 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#139. To: Jethro Tull (#136)
but you're talking to a National Globalist warmonger

And Amen

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara posted on 2009-03-22 0:07:45 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#140. To: F16Fighter (#80)
Yeah - Thank God LP hasn't exactly been babysat to the extent that JimRob hawks over his Stalinist site, but it could be cleaned up a bit. But hey - maybe her priorities are exactly the way they oughta be.
Hope we hear something soon on ... the status of the forum...
Despite LP being a great outlet for blowing off steam and lending itself to constructive and unrestrictive, uncensored debate, some the kiddies seem bent on sabotaging it..

great post, F16Fighter
Love, Palo

palo verde posted on 2009-03-22 0:08:26 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#141. To: christine (#137)
wonderfully succinct

The Big Statist Government worshipers will never accept the truth.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara posted on 2009-03-22 0:08:48 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#142. To: Rotara (#134)
Whether we can throw them all back in or not, I'm going to keep trying to throw back one at a time as long as I can. No one can ever say I didn't work and exhaust all peaceful means to right the ship of freedom.

Two different issues.
Some posters exist to ensure the status quo survives. I guess those type should be ignored and ridiculed in passing, but there is no time to waste for those who ignore the knock of common sense.
Your focus is clear.

nooz posted on 2009-03-22 0:09:07 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#143. To: nooz (#122)
I do view what is happening through the lens of history and then some.

Then you should see, America isn't really worse off than we were 150 years ago, nor significantly less free. The idea of a totally free America is revisionist bullshit. If you lived on the frontier you had economic, and political freedom, but that only lasted too long before civilization caught up. We just ran out of frontier. However the cities were always controlled by business interests. Hell the business class supported the revolution exactly because it was in their best interests.
Were the sharecroppers and tenant farmers paying 15% interest (on rent, seed, and tools, all purchased from their land owners store, and they had to sell to their owners distribution company) free?
Were factory workers who had to work 12 hours in horrible conditions free?
There are many parallels to modern events from the past. America went to war based on false intelligence to supposedly liberate a people and instead fought tough insurgencies, it was called the Spanish American war, and it was 1898. Instead of Iraqi insurgents it was Filipinos.
To steal a line from Battlestar Galactica, "All of this has happened, and will happen again."
America isn't ending. So don't get depressed.

Rhino369 posted on 2009-03-22 0:09:09 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#144. To: Rhino369 (#143)
In short

It's about the Bankster controlled Police State (now fully equipped to take US on).

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara posted on 2009-03-22 0:11:10 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#145. To: F16Fighter, sneakypete (#95)
I HOPE the sabotage of the usual goofballs wasn't instrumental in Goldi closing shop; That will have meant they've won the battle.

good post, F16Fighter

palo verde posted on 2009-03-22 0:12:02 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#146. To: Rhino369 (#143)
Then you should see, America isn't really worse off than we were 150 years ago, nor significantly less free. The idea of a totally free America is revisionist bullshit. If you lived on the frontier you had economic, and political freedom, but that only lasted too long before civilization caught up. We just ran out of frontier. However the cities were always controlled by business interests. Hell the business class supported the revolution exactly because it was in their best interests.
Were the sharecroppers and tenant farmers paying 15% interest (on rent, seed, and tools, all purchased from their land owners store, and they had to sell to their owners distribution company) free?
Were factory workers who had to work 12 hours in horrible conditions free?
There are many parallels to modern events from the past. America went to war based on false intelligence to supposedly liberate a people and instead fought tough insurgencies, it was called the Spanish American war, and it was 1898. Instead of Iraqi insurgents it was Filipinos.
To steal a line from Battlestar Galactica, "All of this has happened, and will happen again."
America isn't ending. So don't get depressed.

Thank you for your diatribe. When LP is back up, sell it there.

nooz posted on 2009-03-22 0:12:09 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#147. To: James Deffenbach, F16Fighter (#98)
Good post, both of you!
I agree
Love, Palo

palo verde posted on 2009-03-22 0:13:50 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#148. To: Rotara (#144)
It's about the Bankster controlled Police State (now fully equipped to take US on).

Let's get them, Rotara, and all their wicked friends. Can I borrow a couple dozen attack helicopters in case things get rough?
The ultimate effect of shielding men from the effects of folly, is to fill the world with fools. - Herbert Spencer
Dakmar posted on 2009-03-22 0:14:15 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#149. To: christine (#137)
And even if you can't see the physical impossibility of collapse by fire, you have to be able to see that no plane is going to fly into DC air space unidentified and unintercepted, without inside top level complicity.

Before 911,
a Logistics employee I am good friends with, for Fed Ex told me about a system of vectored red lights that DC had in place to warn of any unauthorized aircraft from even getting near the capitol, and if the craft did not turn around, anti aircraft weapons were at the ready.
He flys a lot Alot.
I believe him.
However I have never broached the subject of the 911 attacks - for reasons of just getting along. I think he has got to go along with the ruse.
"Satan / Cheney in "08"
tom007 posted on 2009-03-22 0:15:44 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#150. To: Dakmar (#148)
Do you hunt deer, moose or elk ? (no does or split tails jokes please) ;-)

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara posted on 2009-03-22 0:15:55 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#151. To: sneakypete, F16Fighter (#97)
I don't pretend to be close friends with Goldi,but I have a hard time believing she would pull the plug without making an announcement

maybe she just got fed up Pete, and pulled the plug
I hope not
I hope she's just taking a vacation from LP
and will bring it back up
Love, Palo

palo verde posted on 2009-03-22 0:16:53 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#152. To: Rotara (#150)
I'm teaching neighborhood squirrels to smoke.
Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Profit!
The ultimate effect of shielding men from the effects of folly, is to fill the world with fools. - Herbert Spencer
Dakmar posted on 2009-03-22 0:18:12 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#153. To: palo verde (#151)
Maybe another war will cheer Goldi up ?

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara posted on 2009-03-22 0:18:19 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#154. To: Dakmar (#152)
lol

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara posted on 2009-03-22 0:18:44 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#155. To: Rotara (#141)
sigh...i just can't believe people can watch those towers explode and freefall and still think fire did it. that and the stand down of Norad...

christine posted on 2009-03-22 0:21:11 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#156. To: farmfriend, Itistoolate (#104)
(Itistoolate) I don't know about Astoria's forum.
(farmfriend) Boondocks. She started it with Jack Barbara, or what ever his name was, and a few others.

Thank you for this info, FarmFriend
I don't know Astoria, but I used to like Jack Barbara a lot during the brief times I was on Liberty Forum
Love, Palo

palo verde posted on 2009-03-22 0:21:14 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#157. To: Rhino369 (#143)
Start here:
http://video.google.com/videosear c h?q=the+creature+from+jekyll+island&emb=0&aq=f#

christine posted on 2009-03-22 0:22:54 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#158. To: Jethro Tull (#136)
Hi Jethro
I am happy to see you
Love, Palo

palo verde posted on 2009-03-22 0:23:58 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#159. To: christine (#155)
The whole thing. The stand down, the demolition of 7, the simultaneous training exercises to repel planes flying into buildings, the eyewitness accounts, et al
They can't accept it because then their whole foundation for being (more bigger government from cradle to grave) will dry up.
They worship REALLY big Nanny State welfare - warfare government.
They're staring down World Utopia right now with total stimulation. ;-)

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara posted on 2009-03-22 0:24:39 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#160. To: Dakmar (#128)
Hi Dakmar
long time, no see
I am happy to see you
Love, Palo

palo verde posted on 2009-03-22 0:26:09 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#161. To: Dakmar (#152)
I am glad to see someone is doing something to add value to our economy.
"Satan / Cheney in "08"
tom007 posted on 2009-03-22 0:26:53 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#162. To: palo verde (#160)
Hi p v
long time, no see
I am happy to see you
Love, R

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara posted on 2009-03-22 0:27:17 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#163. To: tom007 (#149)
What is more likely? Our domestic air defense systems were hopelessly unprepared, or our government set it up, then perfectly executed the plan? Shit during the Clinton admin, a plane hit the white house, on accident.
Our government is incompetent, that much is clear.
It can't even torture people in Iraq in secret, do you think they can pull off a 9-11 without anyone knowing? Probably not.
Our foreign policy caused 9-11, and silly conspiracy theories take away from learning the real truth. Playing chess with other nations has fucking consequences.

Rhino369 posted on 2009-03-22 0:27:33 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#164. To: tom007 (#126)
Hi Tom
Gosh it's been ages
I am so happy to see you
Love, Palo

palo verde posted on 2009-03-22 0:28:39 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#165. To: Rhino369 (#163)
It can't even torture people in Iraq in secret, do you think they can pull off a 9-11 without anyone knowing? Probably not.

Barry Jennings disagreed at one time, but then he was threatened, and now he is dead.
He was an eyewitness.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara posted on 2009-03-22 0:28:47 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#166. To: Rotara (#162)
Hi Rotara
Thank you very much for your friendly welcome
I lurked on 4um yesterday evening
and read many many posts by you and found them all very interesting
Love, Palo

palo verde posted on 2009-03-22 0:31:28 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#167. To: palo verde (#164)
I am so happy to see you Love, Palo

You say that to all the boys.
"Satan / Cheney in "08"
tom007 posted on 2009-03-22 0:31:33 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#168. To: palo verde (#160)
I am happy to see you

Damn, I'll have to launch into mini-opera I've written about high ranking politicians taking down's syndrome children ice-skating or something then.
Just kidding, it's great to hear from you again.
The ultimate effect of shielding men from the effects of folly, is to fill the world with fools. - Herbert Spencer
Dakmar posted on 2009-03-22 0:32:48 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#169. To: palo verde (#166)
and read many many posts by you and found them all very interesting

Please point out two or three that you found most particularly interesting if you would be so incredibly kind. ;-)

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara posted on 2009-03-22 0:33:53 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#170. To: christine (#157)
thank you Christine for your gracious hospitality
to "homeless" LP posters
LP had now been down for two days and two nights
and no one knows when it will be back on
it is nice of you to let us come and post here
Love, Palo

palo verde posted on 2009-03-22 0:35:38 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#171. To: Rhino369 (#163) (Edited)
Our foreign policy caused 9-11,

Yes it did.
The truth of the matter many cannot stomach.
"They" do not hate us for our freedoms (possibly the most idotic statement ever in the history of the universe).
They hate us for our Lukid Israel party support.
The US has been infiltrated by foreign nationals.
"Satan / Cheney in "08"
tom007 posted on 2009-03-22 0:37:12 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#172. To: tom007 (#171)
Zbig and the illegal shadow government created the chaos.
Hell they created sadam and osama.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara posted on 2009-03-22 0:38:38 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#173. To: Rotara (#165)

Barry Jennings disagreed at one time, but then he was threatened, and now he is dead.
He was an eyewitness.

One eyewitness is not nearly enough.
The demolition hypothesis doesn't even make sense. Why would they place demolitions then fly airplanes into them anyway? Do you think America would be less pissed off if they crashed airplanes into the towers, and they didn't fall? Probably not. It needlessly complicates a plan. And then tower 7 makes even less sense. If its impossible for tower 7 to fall down from fire, why would they bomb it? What good is it knocking down a building with nobody in it?
If I were going to fake a terrorist attack in the United States for political gain, I'd pick a small-big city like Duluth, Minnesota and set off a dirty bomb, then blame it on muslims crossing the border. You'd have political capital to invade any country you like, Iran, Pakistan, Iraq, North Korea, all the above.
What I wouldn't do is fly real planes into buildings into buildings rigged with explosives. The United States has the best material science engineers, the best civil engineers and the best physicists. You won't be able to fake something that defies the laws of the universe.

Rhino369 posted on 2009-03-22 0:44:23 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#174. To: Rotara, ALL (#169)
O darling I wish I could
I clicked on 4um originally yesterday to see if there was anything posted about LP, why it was down
there wasn't anything
so then I looked at the articles posted to see which ones interested me, I read them and the threads under them
then I looked at Latest Comments and read those threads
For some reason you had a lot of comments on the threads I read, I found them so interesting
so then when I went back to Latest Comments later on in evening
I clicked on your posts
I found your posts lively, interesting, and thoughtful
they made me think and gave me ideas
I appreciated them
Love, Palo
I totally enjoyed lurking on 4um yesterday evening and spent a lot of time here
there were many many perceptive, thought-provoking comments by many posters
I am sorry LP is down, but every cloud has a silver lining
and I totally enjoyed spending yesterday evening reading all the threads on 4um

palo verde posted on 2009-03-22 0:48:22 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#175. To: Rhino369 (#173)
One eyewitness is not nearly enough

Bullshit.
You need to ferret this one out before you scream flake.
This one is more than enough.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara posted on 2009-03-22 0:48:43 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#176. To: Rhino369 (#173)
The demolition hypothesis doesn't even make sense.

The demolition hypothesis is the only one that makes sencse given the nature of the collapse.

Why would they place demolitions then fly airplanes into them anyway?

Are you really this ignorant? Or do you think we are just a bunch of dumbass yahoos?
Demolition without planes and fire would be too obvious an inside job. The planes provided a decent cover story for a while, but once the shock wore off, those of us with a few working brain cells began to see through the fairy tale.
Make awkward sexual advances, not war.
Morehead City Concerts Summer 2009
Critter posted on 2009-03-22 0:49:10 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#177. To: Critter (#127)
So which is it? Ignorance? Or shilliness?

No,it's just a case of you being full of shit.

sneakypete posted on 2009-03-22 0:49:10 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#178. To: christine (#157)
http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/...sland_-_G._Edward_Griffin
Here you can download the audio book of the book. I hope you don't mind me posting it because its probably extra-legal to say the least. I'll listen to it at work this week.

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