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Published: Mar 21, 2009
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Post Date: 2009-03-21 08:19:06 by Itistoolate
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#1614. To: war (#1611)
IN point of fact, some of their blatherings are directly contradicted by visual records; yet, cling to them they do.

Maybe you could post a video of the 13 second collapse and of the Truthers who repudiated their earlier position.
Facts are good for both sides, war. Unless a video has been faked, it is a neutral record. There should be enough videos of WTC 7's collapse to establish such a basic fact, something fundamental to the arguments offered by both sides.

TooConservative posted on 2009-03-28 11:11:26 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1615. To: TooConservative, Wudidiz, christine, Rotara, TwentyTwelve, bluegrass, HOUNDDAWG, all (#1605)
It doesn't matter if it was 6, 13 or 20 seconds.
Yes, it does.
In debate, if you can't establish facts that both sides will stipulate to, you have no grounds for any kind of debate.

Actually I would argue that you are both correct.
I am even willing to accept the stipulation that it was 13 seconds.
Of course that is because it does not materially affect the conclusion. The rate of the collapse has always been a secondary datum which supported the argument but was not essential to the argument.
The primary data to be observed, and which are not in dispute as they are recorded on the video is:
The collapse began symmetrically in 360 degrees meaning it was uniform completely around the perimiter of the building.
One can observe in the video that the building collapses in upon itself. Visible evidence of this fact is the two cracks that appear in the facade along lines approximating the physical presence in the building of the central core structure - the strongest part of the structure. The center of the building then begins to subside pulling the rest of the structure inward. This again supports the observation that the collapse was initiated simultaneously in 360 degrees and thus was thus symmetrical. This is directly at variance with known observations of catastrophic failure of a structure wherein there is always a weak point that gives way thus causing the failure to proceed in the direction of the point of initial failure. For it to collapse symmetrically means that it had to fail simultaneously in 360 degrees thus indicating a causal mechanism initiating a uniform collapse. In a normal catastrophic failure the failure occurs asymmetrically as their is a single point of initial failure which then compromises the structure thus resulting in failure proceeding in that direction. Simultaneous collapse is again buttressed by the appearance of the two cracks allong the core lines in the same unit of time. Were there only one point of failure the buildings collapse would have shown a definite slump in the direction of the point of failure. So, again we are brought back to the observable fact that the collapse was uniform and symmetrical in 360 degrees. This we can all observe without including the disputed datum of the rate of collapse which despite the disputation is measured in mere seconds from the time the first signature occurs until the structure collapses neatly into its own footprint - with the strongest part of the structure failing first.
If we compare the collapse of building 7 to known instances of explosive demolitions of buildings the observable similarity is one of the most striking aspects of the building 7 collapse.
I could build further on the argument but don't have the time at the moment, but I think this demonstrates clearly enough that the collapse of bldg. 7 does not conform to a normal engineering failure and there are elements unaccounted for which initiated the collapse above and beyond a normal structural failure.
""I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
Original_Intent posted on 2009-03-28 11:22:39 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1616. To: TooConservative, Original Intent (#1614)
Maybe you could post a video of the 13 second collapse and of the Truthers who repudiated their earlier position.

I had posted that previously...
That is what is frustrating...Troofers make a statement to which they are given either video or analytical evidence that stands in direct contradiction of their assertion but they simply ignore it.
OI posted an entire litany and I took the time to address each and everyone one of his points as well as to question some of his points. Ditto 2012...not one of my questions have ever been addressed.

war posted on 2009-03-28 11:24:55 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1617. To: Original_Intent (#1615)
The rate of the collapse has always been a secondary datum

That is total bullshit...the whole "free fall speed" has been the LYNCHPIN of your C/D nonsense.

war posted on 2009-03-28 11:26:13 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1618. To: war (#1616)
Your job is disinfo. Anyone with a brain knows 911 was an inside job.

Old Friend posted on 2009-03-28 11:31:24 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1619. To: war (#1617)
Not at all as illustrated in my argument above (#1615) in which I placed no reliance on it. The argument simply becomes a little longer since one has to develop a little more background and it requires a little more knowledge to put together. The rate of collapse was a convenient datum to shorten the argument but is not and was not an essential datum - as my argument proves.
""I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
Original_Intent posted on 2009-03-28 11:32:06 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1620. To: Original_Intent (#1619)
The rate of collapse was a convenient datum to shorten the argument but is not and was not an essential datum - as my argument proves.

BULLSHIT...the TIME it took to fall was your entire case...
You still have the problem of why, if it was a CD, did the top collapse before the building?
So, where did Jones get his samples and why are you ignoring that question?

war posted on 2009-03-28 11:38:31 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1621. To: Old Friend (#1618)
That would still disqualify you...

war posted on 2009-03-28 11:39:13 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1622. To: Original_Intent (#1615)
The collapse began symmetrically in 360 degrees meaning it was uniform completely around the perimiter of the building.

You need to go back and look at that video...one side of the top visibly sags before the other...

war posted on 2009-03-28 11:40:34 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1623. To: Original_Intent (#1619)

war posted on 2009-03-28 11:52:41 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1624. To: war, Wudidiz, TwentyTwelve, all (#1622)
Attaboy - keep clutching at those straws.
The cracks appear so close together as to be materially insignificant.
The structure observably collapsed symmetrically in 360 degrees with collapse being initiated uniformly in those 360 degrees.
The entire support structure then just ceases to exist, as one sees in a controlled demolition, and the building collapses neatly into its own footprint.
NIST to date has avoided the building 7 collapse and then finally came up with their thermal expansion "hypothesis" to explain away the observable data and thence became a laughingstock everywhere but in the controlled American Media.
At this point the most you do is quibble and throw up whatever hoping it will stick as you continue to try to defend the Official Fairy Tale.
How much DO they pay you?
Do you have to sneak up on the mirror to shave?
'bot on duuuuuuuuuude!
""I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
Original_Intent posted on 2009-03-28 11:55:32 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1625. To: Original_Intent (#1624)
The structure observably collapsed symmetrically in 360 degrees with collapse being initiated uniformly in those 360 degrees.

My ass...you can "say" that all you want to as the we watch the left side sag visibly and collapse well prior to the building falling...we also see the top of the structure collapse well before the building does...link those to 13 seconds and that's STRIKE THREE...
Where did Jones get his samples?

war posted on 2009-03-28 12:34:47 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1626. To: war (#1625)
www.yourdailymedia.com/media/1152446814/911_WTC_Squibs
After watching this, it may be tough to see the fall of the buildings without ever noticing the squibs again. A squib is a demolition term for the unique plume of smoke seen immediately after an explosion.

TwentyTwelve posted on 2009-03-28 12:37:40 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1627. To: war (#1625)
911review.org/Wiki/King,Jeff.shtml
www.ifilm.com/video/2768593
video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8533904938803031452
www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jAS4Zk059w
9/11 Truth: MIT Engineer Jeff King Proves WTC Collapses Were Controlled Demolitions
Sep 3 '06 at 12:36 PM - 137 views - 0 comments
World - Jeff King, and Engineer at MIT, uses his expertise in the topic to prove that the only way the World Trade Center towers (and building 7) could have come down in the manner they did was if they were brought down by controlled demolitions.
Jeff King's been a critic of the official story for a lot longer than the Scholars group or any of that has been around.

TwentyTwelve posted on 2009-03-28 12:38:52 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1628. To: war (#1625)
HOW TOUGH WERE THE TOWERS?
A lead engineer who worked on the WTC expressed shock that the towers collapsed from plane crashes.
Lee Robertson, the tower's structural engineer, addressed the problem of terrorism in the plans for the building, claiming he "designed it for a (Boeing) 707 to hit it." Lets examine Mr. Robertsons handiwork a bit more and take a look at how these towers were made...
Those 4 cranes you see in the photo, are perched atop the central support core of the tower. This core is built of sheer concrete reinforced by 44 beams of construction grade steel , which, were sealed in asbestos. (1) As you can see, it takes up the majority of the towers footprint. Here is a more accurate sketch of the floorplan...
Compare it to the BBC version further above...Funny how millions of people will see this drawing with 4 steel beams and think it is accurate! Moving on, check out the approach angles of the planes in relation to the positioning of the cores...
Notice how the North Tower takes a direct hit, perpendicular to the core, while the South Tower takes more of an angular hit, almost parallel to the core structure.
Take at Look:
news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/1540044.stm
(1) Source:
letsroll911.org/phpwebsit...NN_user_op=view&ANN_id=13

TwentyTwelve posted on 2009-03-28 12:42:24 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1629. To: TwentyTwelve (#1628)
So, TT, what's gonna happen in 2012?

Bwahaha, you honky suckas...MUD
Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States,
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the U.S. Constitution!!
Mudboy Slim posted on 2009-03-28 12:43:37 ET (1 image) Reply Trace Private Reply
#1630. To: war (#1625)
Another particularly important part of this is to note that Towers one, two, and seven have all of the 10 characteristics of a controlled demolition, a building collapsing from fire and plane impact damage having one of the characteristics of controlled demolition is astronomically rare, the chances of this damage having all 10 characteristics of a controlled demolition and not being a controlled demolition is next to nil. These characteristics are.
1. Each collapse occurred at virtually free fall speed;
2. Each building collapsed straight down, for the most part onto its own footprint;
3. Virtually all the concrete was turned into very fine dust;
4. In the case of the Twin Towers, the dust was blown out horizontally for 200 feet or more;
5. The collapses were total, leaving no steel columns sticking up hundreds of feet into the air;
6. Videos of the collapses reveal "demolition waves", meaning "confluent rows of small explosions"
7. Most of the steel beams and columns came down in sections that were no more than 30 feet long;
8. According to many witnesses, explosions occurred within the buildings;
9. Each collapse was associated with detectable seismic vibrations (suggestive of underground explosions);
10. Each collapse produced molten steel (which would be produced by explosives), resulting in "hot spots" that remained for months.?

Source:
Professor David Ray Griffin

TwentyTwelve posted on 2009-03-28 12:45:20 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1631. To: war (#1625)
The structures failed uniformly and symetrically which is a signature of a controlled demolition not a an asymetrical catastrophic failure.
The rate at which the buildings collapsed was at a near freefall rate. In the case of WTC 7 it was only 0.6 seconds greater that a pure freefall. The only way that can happen is if the opposition i.e., the structural support of the building, its steel and concrete reinforced core, is removed virtually all at once. If it pancaked the pancaking of the outer structure should have left a spire of the central core sticking up above the rubble and each floor would have offered enough resistance to slow the collapse if only for short time. Certainly the aggregate time would be more than 0.6 seconds, but without further experimentation and analysis, costing some millions of dollars I don't have, the exact amount of time is undetermined.
Further the buildings essentially collapsed into their own footprint, again we would not expect this in an asymetric catastrophic failure, but would expect it in a controlled demolition.
No. No matter how you slice and dice it the evidence points at controlled demolition over and over and over again.
That is without looking at, or taking into account, any of the other anomalies such as the tower struck second (WTC 2) failed first - in only 56 minutes, or that one of the towers did begin to topple (again WTC 2) but for some strange reason the structure under it collapsed under it allowing it to drop straight down. How lucky can you get!? Could it be someone hit the switch to set off the demolitions charges so that it would not tip?

TwentyTwelve posted on 2009-03-28 12:48:31 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1632. To: TwentyTwelve, war (#1631)
No matter how you slice and dice it the evidence points at controlled demolition over and over and over again.

Building 7 Controlled Demolition
9/11 Controlled Demolitions of September 11, 2001

Landmark Tower
Implosion March 18,2006, Fort Worth, Texas

litus posted on 2009-03-28 13:04:10 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1633. To: war, Original_Intent (#1632) (Edited)
The collapse began symmetrically in 360 degrees meaning it was uniform completely around the perimiter of the building.

hmmmmm
~ .24 seconds into implosion, bottom video (the Landmark Building controlled demolition) of post #1632...."look at that video...one side of the top visibly sags before the other..".
Does this "evidence" mean that, contrary to claims otherwise, the Landmark Building demolition wasn't in fact controlled...or does the fact that, it, too, showed similar "sagging" as in the WTC 7, where "one side of the top visibly sagg[ed] before the other", indicate that "sagging" itself cannot be used as evidence to negate the likelihood or fact that there was a controlled demolition?

litus posted on 2009-03-28 13:31:58 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1634. To: war (#1625)

postpunk posted on 2009-03-28 13:32:41 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1635. To: Original_Intent, TooConservative, Wudidiz, christine, Rotara, TwentyTwelve, bluegrass, HOUNDDAWG, war (#1615)
If we compare the collapse of building 7 to known instances of explosive demolitions of buildings the observable similarity is one of the most striking aspects of the building 7 collapse.

Every builder/tradesman to whom I've shown the WTC 7 collapse video immediately falls off the fence. It's funny how those who make their living building things can see the utter BS that is the Official Fairy Tale once they see the evidence that's been actively hidden from us hoi polloi.
Eff the Bankers
bluegrass posted on 2009-03-28 13:40:09 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1636. To: TooConservative (#1588)
Trutherism or anti-Trutherism

Odd how 9/11 turned truth into an "ism".
Eff the Bankers
bluegrass posted on 2009-03-28 13:42:00 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1637. To: Original_Intent (#1624)
At this point the most you do is quibble and throw up whatever hoping it will stick as you continue to try to defend the Official Fairy Tale.
How much DO they pay you?

Seriously.
What's the going rate for a National Globalist Party shill these days ?

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara posted on 2009-03-28 13:45:26 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1638. To: litus (#1632)
We have eyewitness accounts that tell us specifically that building 7 was demolished.
Anyone that is pushing anything else is the enemy within. What do we do with the enemy within ?
We better get to it.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara posted on 2009-03-28 13:48:02 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1639. To: Rotara (#1638)
Anyone that is pushing anything else is the enemy within. What do we do with the enemy within ?
We better get to it.

There's so many now, I don't know if there's enough rope any longer!

litus posted on 2009-03-28 13:52:38 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1640. To: litus (#1639)
There's so many now, I don't know if there's enough rope any longer!

Top down and eliminate any tool that gets in the way.
When the military is deployed they're going to have to take sides.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara posted on 2009-03-28 13:56:03 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1641. To: Rotara (#1640)
When the military is deployed they're going to have to take sides.

If you're talking about those in the military, some already have:
http://oath-keepers.blogspot.com/

litus posted on 2009-03-28 13:58:57 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1642. To: litus (#1641)
Should be interesting.
If they decide to go with the globalists it's going to be bloody, short and THE END. imo
We can 'hunt deer' all day long but when entire neighborhoods get burnt down..I'm just sayin'.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara posted on 2009-03-28 14:01:55 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1643. To: Rotara (#1642)
They're planning for that. Why else do you think there is this "new" GIVE Program...except to "take" the children/youth and indoctrinate them? Hitler's youth program also started out as voluntary, but eventually became mandatory. The brainwashing effects could be seen within as short a time period as three years...perhaps earlier, given the decayed state of American families, morals, values, and ethics.

litus posted on 2009-03-28 14:09:32 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1644. To: postpunk (#1634)
hehehe..in their own words...thanks for posting these, postpunk.

christine posted on 2009-03-28 14:22:55 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1645. To: war, Original_Intent, TwentyTwelve (#1625)
What is also interesting is when the BBC stated WTC 7 had collapsed, while they were live on air, but it was visibly still standing in the background behind the reporter. Now, how could a reporter report the collapse of a particular building so "prophetically"?

litus posted on 2009-03-28 14:25:20 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1646. To: litus, James Deffenbach (#1645)
What is also interesting is when the BBC stated WTC 7 had collapsed, while they were live on air, but it was visibly still standing in the background behind the reporter. Now, how could a reporter report the collapse of a particular building so "prophetically"?

LOL !
It's as much fun as the Magickal Jet Fuel^TM !

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara posted on 2009-03-28 14:32:35 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1647. To: Rotara, James Deffenbach, Original_Intent (#1646)
It's as much fun as the Magickal Jet FuelTM !

That one's a knee slapper. The "Coincidence Theorists" belief that everything bad in the whole wide world occurs "coincidentally" is almost as funny.
: )

litus posted on 2009-03-28 14:37:33 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1648. To: litus (#1645)
Now, how could a reporter report the collapse of a particular building so "prophetically"?

They are psychic?

TwentyTwelve posted on 2009-03-28 14:42:50 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1649. To: litus (#1647)
You really have to love big illegal shadow governance to deny the facts.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara posted on 2009-03-28 14:43:26 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1650. To: TwentyTwelve (#1648)
That must be it! And from a continent away. Those vibes must have been quite strong!

litus posted on 2009-03-28 14:44:16 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1651. To: litus, war, Original_Intent (#1645)
What is also interesting is when the BBC stated WTC 7 had collapsed, while they were live on air, but it was visibly still standing in the background behind the reporter. Now, how could a reporter report the collapse of a particular building so "prophetically"?

www.prisonplanet.com/arti...y2007/260207building7.htm
BBC Reported WTC Building 7 Had Collapsed 20 Minutes Before It Fell
Video shows reporter talking about collapse with WTC 7 still standing in background
Paul Joseph Watson & Alex Jones Prison Planet Monday, February 26, 2007
An astounding video uncovered from the archives today shows the BBC reporting on the collapse of WTC Building 7 over twenty minutes before it fell at 5:20pm on the afternoon of 9/11. The incredible footage shows BBC reporter talking about the collapse of the Salomon Brothers Building while it remains standing in the live shot behind her head.
Minutes before the actual collapse of the building is due, the feed to the reporter mysteriously dies.
This amazing clip is currently carried on Google Video and you can watch it above but many expect it to be removed shortly. We are attempting to download an original copy from the source.

rattube.com/blog1/2007/02...-jumps-the-gun/trackback/
February 26, 2007 THE SMOKING GUN WTC7, BBC JUMPS THE GUN !!!
9/11 Building 7 Collapse - WTC7 23 Minute Warning - Salomon Brothers Building
BBC Error ! Huge smoking gun of pre-knowledge collapse of WTC7 *911blogger.com
“On September 11th 2001, BBC World reported at 4:57pm Eastern Time that the Salomon Brothers Building (more commonly known as WTC7 or World Trade Building 7) had collapsed.
This even made the 5pm EST headlines, what is bizarre is that the building did not actually collapse until 5:20pm EST.
9/11 was unusual enough, without BBC World being able to foretell the destiny of WTC 7.
What is even stranger, is that the women reporter is telling the world that the building had collapsed when you can see it in the background over her left shoulder.

www.prisonplanet.com/arti...y2007/260207building7.htm
BBC Reported Building 7 Had Collapsed 20 Minutes Before It Fell
Revealing, shocking video shows reporter talking about collapse with WTC 7 still standing in background, Google removes clip
Paul Joseph Watson & Alex Jones Prison Planet Monday, February 26, 2007 (UPDATED 7:58PM CST)
An astounding video uncovered from the archives today shows the BBC reporting on the collapse of WTC Building 7 over twenty minutes before it fell at 5:20pm on the afternoon of 9/11. The incredible footage shows BBC reporter Jane Standley talking about the collapse of the Salomon Brothers Building while it remains standing in the live shot behind her head.

www.prisonplanet.com/arti...007/270207bbcresponds.htm BBC Responds to Building 7 Controversy; Claim 9/11 Tapes Lost
Pathetic five paragraph blog rebuttal does not answer questions as to source of report that Salomon Building was coming down, BBC claims tapes lost due to "cock-up" not conspiracy
Paul Joseph Watson Prison Planet Tuesday, February 27, 2007
The BBC has been forced to respond to footage showing their correspondent reporting the collapse of WTC 7 before it fell on 9/11, claiming tapes from the day are somehow missing, and refusing to identify the source for their bizarre act of "clairvoyance" in accurately pre-empting the fall of Building 7.
Here is the BBC's response to the questions about the footage that was unearthed yesterday, with my comments after each statement.

www.prisonplanet.com/arti...2007/270207bbcslammed.htm
BBC Slammed Over Pathetic Response to Building 7 Controversy
Prison Planet Tuesday, February 27, 2007
The BBC are getting slammed by respondants to the head of BBC World News Richard Porter's pathetic attempt to dismiss questions about the Building 7 controversy, in which a BBC correspondent reported the collapse of WTC 7 before it happened on 9/11.

www.prisonplanet.com/arti...y2007/280207timestamp.htm
Time Stamp Confirms BBC Reported WTC 7 Collapse 26 Minutes In Advance
Debunkers' claims about blue screens, inconclusive time frame of Jane Standley footage eviscerated
Paul Joseph Watson Prison Planet Wednesday, February 28, 2007
If there was any remaining doubt that the BBC reported the collapse of Building 7 over 20 minutes before it fell then it has now evaporated with the discovery of footage from the BBC's News 24 channel that shows the time stamp at 21:54 (4:54PM EST) when news of the Salomon Brothers Building is first broadcast, a full 26 minutes in advance of its collapse.
Watch the clip below.
According to FEMA, WTC 7 collapsed at 5:20pm on the afternoon of 9/11. Since British Summer Time is five hours ahead of Eastern Standard Time, the BBC reported the collapse of Building 7 at 4:54PM EST, a full 26 minutes before it collapsed.

infowars.net/articles/february2007/280207BBC.htm
BBC Has Lost Tapes Of 21st Century's Defining Moment
9/11 coverage gone due to "cock up". Why is this not a world news headline?
Steve Watson Infowars.net Wednesday, February 28, 2007
It has come to light this week that the most pre-eminent broadcasting company in the world has lost the original recordings of its output for the entire day on September 11th 2001, just over five years on, yet no major news agency has even bothered to report the fact.
Despite being currently the biggest story on the internet and in the alternative media, the only place in the mainstream the story has appeared is on a small German news website.
This highlights the fact that the mainstream media is not free to report events. The information it disseminates is strictly controlled and regulated.

www.prisonplanet.com/arti...rch2007/010307santafe.htm
Santa Fe New Mexican Covers BBC Building 7 Controversy
Devin Green
Santa Fe New Mexican
Thursday, March 1, 2007
As today is my last day setting the homepage for The Santa Fe New Mexican I thought I would bid you all farewell. I resigned two weeks ago to better pursue my personal interests. It is to my great amusement however that this day coincides with an astonishing story to share in this blog. There is an uproar rising across the Internet over what is being called yet another blatant, 9/11 smoking gun.
Early this week an independent researcher, reviewing video archives of the BBC's 9/11 coverage, divulged the discovery of an earth shaking incongruence. BBC reporters announced the collapse of the 47 story Salomon Brothers Building 23 minutes BEFORE the actual sudden collapse. This building, also known as WTC 7, is clearly visible, standing tall, as a reporter gestures to the live view through the window behind her.

BBC Building 7 Controversy Reported on by Norweigan Newspaper
www.nettavisen.no/verden/article916614.ece

www.wtc7.net/foreknowledge.html
Foreknowledge of WTC 7's Collapse
More than a score of New York City Fire Department members have recounted receiving warnings of the collapse of Building 7 starting about an hour and a half before the 5:20 PM collapse. Many of these are described here.
The BBC Bombshell
Archived footage of television broadcasts from 9/11/2001 shows the BBC reporting the collapse of WTC 7 about 23 minutes before it actually occurred.
BBC News correspondent Jane Standley reports that the Salomon Brothers' Building (WTC 7) has collapsed, unaware that the intact building is clearly visible behind her.

www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/theed...rt_of_the_conspiracy.html
Part of the conspiracy?
* Richard Porter * 27 Feb 07, 05:12 PM
The 9/11 conspiracy theories are pretty well known by now. The BBC addressed them earlier this month with a documentary, The Conspiracy Files, shown within the UK.
BBC World logo Until now, I don't think we've been accused of being part of the conspiracy. But now some websites are using news footage from BBC World on September 11th 2001 to suggest we were actively participating in some sort of attempt to manipulate the audience. As a result, we're now getting lots of emails asking us to clarify our position. So here goes:

crimesofthestate.blogspot.com/
Thursday, March 01, 2007
BBC RESPONDS WITHOUT INVESTIGATING / SEND A COMPLAINT
FIRST INQUIRY:
Dear BBC,
The head of your division, Richard Porter has just given the world a disgraceful response to a matter of enormous importance and seriousness.
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TwentyTwelve posted on 2009-03-28 14:46:26 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1652. To: TwentyTwelve, Rotara, litus, all (#1648)
They are psychic?

Probably had lessons from Dione Warwick.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
James Deffenbach posted on 2009-03-28 14:46:52 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1653. To: Rotara (#1649)
You really have to love big illegal shadow governance to deny the facts.

and believe everything .gov tells you, despite the fact that .gov has been proven corrupt liars, indifferent of the Constitution and will of the People, over and over and over again.

litus posted on 2009-03-28 14:46:56 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1654. To: litus, war, Original_Intent (#1645)
What is also interesting is when the BBC stated WTC 7 had collapsed, while they were live on air, but it was visibly still standing in the background behind the reporter. Now, how could a reporter report the collapse of a particular building so "prophetically"?

www.whatreallyhappened.com/bbc_wtc7_videos.html
The videos below show the BBC World broadcast.
[15.6 MB WMV full video]
[22 MB QuickTime file of relevent portions] [15 MB QuickTime file of relevent portions]

TwentyTwelve posted on 2009-03-28 14:48:19 ET Reply Trace Private Reply

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