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Title: The thread that's changed its focus from the original title. Carry on ;)
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Published: Mar 21, 2009
Author: m e
Post Date: 2009-03-21 08:19:06 by Itistoolate
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Officer Jack McLamb's shows:
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#1857. To: TwentyTwelve, war (#1846)
Where as the FEMA investigation in understanding the Collapse of the World Trade Center could be chalked up as a farce, the NIST's investigation cannot. NIST's results strongly indicate a cover-up. NIST's Final Report on the Twin Towers shows that:
*NIST avoids describing, let alone explaining, the "collapse" of each Tower after they were "poised for collapse." Thus, NIST avoids answering the question their investigation was tasked with answering: how did the Towers collapse?
*NIST describes the Twin Towers without reference to the engineering history of steel-framed buildings, and separates its analysis of WTC Building 7 into a separate report. By treating them in isolation, NIST hides just how anomalous the alleged collapses of the buildings are.
*NIST avoids disclosing the evidence sulfidation documented in Appendix C of the FEMA's Building Performance Study.This unexplained phenomenon was described by the New York Times as "perhaps the deepest mystery uncovered in the investigation."
*NIST has refused to publish the computer models that its report imply show how the fires in the Towers led to "collapse initiation".

litus posted on 2009-03-30 22:53:49 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1858. To: TwentyTwelve, war (#1846)
succinctly sums up the cover up perpetrated by the NIST report:
In summary: The reports by NIST say nothing about how -- and if! -- the collapse was able to progress through dozens and dozens of structurally intact floors without being stopped. If no external energy was available e.g. in the form of explosives, this would have been the opportunity to show that no such energy was needed. On the other hand, if some unaccounted-for energy broke the supporting structures enabling the collapse to progress with the speed it did, there would have been many good reasons not to try to model the impossible, ie. a purely gravitation-driven collapse. Stopping the analysis early enough also saves NIST from trying to explain the symmetrically of the collapses (despite non-symmetrical impact damage and fires), the almost complete pulverization of non-metallic materials as well as the extremely hot spots in the rubble. These remain as inexplicable by the official story as they have ever been.
Despite calls from leading structural and fire engineers, and despite the fact that they published models of the plane impacts, NIST has refused to publish visual simulations from its computer models of the collapses.
In an even more startling admission in its own report, NIST reveals that it "adjusted the input" of variables in tests beyond the visual evidence of what actually happened in order to save its own hypothesis:
"The more severe case (which became Case B for WTC 1 and Case D for WTC 2) was used for the global analysis of each tower. Complete sets of simulations were then performed for Cases B and D. To the extent that the simulations deviated from the photographic evidence or eyewitness reports [e.g., complete collapse occurred], the investigators adjusted the input, but only within the range of physical reality. Thus, for instance,…the pulling forces on the perimeter columns by the sagging floors were adjusted..." (NIST, 2005, p. 142)
NIST simply "discarded" realistic tests based on the empirical data because they did not cause the buildings to collapse.

war, you call the above a "scientific" study based upon the scientific method? You think such kinds of "scientific" findings are credible?
It's just the opposite of the scientific method and completely incredible!

litus posted on 2009-03-30 23:02:36 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1859. To: TwentyTwelve (#1849)
Tuesday, March 20, 2007
Photographs taken on the afternoon of 9/11 have recently emerged on the web showing that huge amounts of smoke poured forth primarily from the buildings closest to the collapsed towers, not from the further away building 7 which mysteriously collapsed later the same afternoon.
Despite the fact that the official NIST report cannot officially explain how fire damage caused the collapse of WTC 7 on 9/11, debunkers of the controlled demolition theory continue to cite "raging infernos" inside the building.
The following set of images highlights the fact that the majority of smoke emanating from the complex was coming from the smaller buildings 5 and 6, which WERE engulfed by fire after suffering major structural damage from falling debris.

TT....everybody "knows" the pictures are FAKE!! /s endsarcasm!!

litus posted on 2009-03-30 23:11:58 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1860. To: TwentyTwelve, war (#1849)
Building 7 to the right of the picture as Building 5 burns in the left background. From this image, which building seems the more likely to collapse? The 47 story behemoth with limited fire in a few floors - or a nine story shell completely engulfed by fire and flames from top to bottom? Yet it was Building 7 and not 5 that collapsed on the afternoon of September 11.
The burned out husk of Building 5 two days after 9/11. Building 5 sustained massive damage from flaming aircraft parts which ignited fires that burned for hours. In addition, the collapse of the north tower scraped down the side of 5 but its modest nine floors did not structurally collapse.

Images follow (not from above article)....these photos, separately described below....are all FAKE war?:

Building 7 to the right of the picture as Building 5 burns in the left background. From this image, which building seems the more likely to collapse? The 47 story behemoth with limited fire in a few floors - or a nine story shell completely engulfed by fire and flames from top to bottom? Yet it was Building 7 and not 5 that collapsed on the afternoon of September 11.

Here is a separate image revealing the extent of the fires in WTC 5. Despite raging infernos and debris gouging huge holes in the building, and in comparative size significantly more severe fires than the twin towers or Building 7 - the building stood while the other three all collapsed.

The burned out husk of Building 5 two days after 9/11. Building 5 sustained massive damage from flaming aircraft parts which ignited fires that burned for hours. In addition, the collapse of the north tower scraped down the side of 5 but its modest nine floors did not structurally collapse.

litus posted on 2009-03-30 23:33:35 ET (4 images) Reply Trace Private Reply
#1861. To: James Deffenbach (#1842)
Aren't you getting tired of beating your head over that wall? You would come closer to getting through to a stump or fence post.

Yes, that's why I stepped away from the "discussion" last week, I just got fed up trying to get through to someone who has no intention of trying to use their brain or allowing any bit of what they hold dear to be proven wrong.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-03-30 23:39:51 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1862. To: FormerLurker, litus, Original_Intent, TwentyTwelve, James Deffenbach, all (#1861)

"If I were going to construct a God I would furnish him with some ways and qualities and characteristics which the Present One lacks... He would spend some of His eternities in trying to forgive Himself for making man unhappy when He could have made him happy with the same effort and He would spend the rest of them in studying astronomy." ~ Mark Twain

wudidiz posted on 2009-03-30 23:44:38 ET (1 image) Reply Trace Private Reply
#1863. To: litus, war (#1860)

Building 7 to the right of the picture as Building 5 burns in the left background. From this image, which building seems the more likely to collapse? The 47 story behemoth with limited fire in a few floors - or a nine story shell completely engulfed by fire and flames from top to bottom? Yet it was Building 7 and not 5 that collapsed on the afternoon of September 11.

TwentyTwelve posted on 2009-03-30 23:49:05 ET (1 image) Reply Trace Private Reply
#1864. To: wudidiz (#1862)
My, what a big eye you have, lol!!

litus posted on 2009-03-30 23:50:01 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1865. To: wudidiz (#1862)
Keeping an eye on us wud? LOL...
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-03-30 23:50:56 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1866. To: wudidiz (#1862)
Thanks for the warning.

TwentyTwelve posted on 2009-03-31 0:03:30 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1867. To: war, Litus (#1404)
I suppose the US government wants us to believe that 300,000 pounds of aircraft parts collided with over 13 million tons of steel (a weight estimate of 7 world trade center floors) and 14,000 cubic feet of concrete (estimate) and that a paper passport navigated it's way through all of that including an explosion that was at least 100 yards in diameter (estimate) to land safely on top of the rubble below?
Get real.
And if that were even possible, you would think the chances of it happening were once in a lifetime, right? Well how about twice?
You may remember that after the planes hit the World Trade Center towers--an epic disaster that melted structural steel designed to withstand a Hellish temperature of 2000 degrees Fahrenheit, incinerated both planes? cockpit recorders and black-box recorders, and vaporized the flesh and bones of nearly 3,000 human beings--the passport of suspected hijacker Mohammed Atta was found intact, in pristine condition, lying on the sidewalk below.
Well, guess what. It happened again. I am not kidding. Both CBS News and the Associated Press are reporting that the passport of another hijacker, one Satam al-Sugami, floated down to Earth along with Mohammed Atta's passport. And not just a charred piece of a passport but , like the other passort, it was IN PRISTINE CONDITION.
Here's the original link (before it was removed:
www.11alive.com/news/usnews_article.aspx?storyid=42069
Taken from: www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/archive.cgi?read=43653

TwentyTwelve posted on 2009-03-31 0:07:39 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1868. To: war, Litus (#1404)
Amazing stuff! This is yet another "magic passport" found in the rubble in addition to "mastermind" Mohamed Atta's discovered passport at the WTC site.
Let's see if I can get this straight:
1. The fireballs of the WTC attacks melted structural steel that was designed to withstand heat of 2000 degrees F.
2. The fireballs of the WTC attacks completely destroyed both airplanes cockpit voice-recorders (situated at front)*and* the black-box data recorders (located in the rear of the aircraft). 3. The fireballs of the WTC attacks vaporized human bone and flesh.
4. And yet those same fireballs somehow weren't strong enough to do anything to a pair of surviving passportsfound in pristine condition. No surface scratches, scuffs, abrasions or burns. Perfect. My Question: Why doesn't Boeing design a new black-box data recorder manufactured from the same indestructible material used to produce magical Saudi passports?

TwentyTwelve posted on 2009-03-31 0:09:14 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1869. To: TwentyTwelve, war (#1867)
the passport of another hijacker, one Satam al-Sugami, floated down to Earth along with Mohammed Atta's passport. And not just a charred piece of a passport but , like the other passort, it was IN PRISTINE CONDITION.

Aw...just chock that up to "another 9/11 coincidence!"

litus posted on 2009-03-31 0:10:27 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1870. To: TwentyTwelve, war (#1868)
Why doesn't Boeing design a new black-box data recorder manufactured from the same indestructible material used to produce magical Saudi passports?

haaaaaaaaaa! They could make a mint on it!

litus posted on 2009-03-31 0:11:39 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1871. To: litus (#1869)
Aw...just chock that up to "another 9/11 coincidence!"

Make that coincidence #575.

TwentyTwelve posted on 2009-03-31 0:12:25 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1872. To: TwentyTwelve (#1867)
Well, guess what. It happened again. I am not kidding. Both CBS News and the Associated Press are reporting that the passport of another hijacker, one Satam al-Sugami, floated down to Earth along with Mohammed Atta's passport. And not just a charred piece of a passport but , like the other passort, it was IN PRISTINE CONDITION.

That's phenomenal. I really would like to know what kind of fireproof paper those passports are made of.
Gosh ....the anomalies just keep piling up. Maybe there was some kind of space warp on that date where materials interchanged their structural qualities for a few hours. Yes.... that must be it!!!!!!!!!

mininggold posted on 2009-03-31 0:15:52 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1873. To: mininggold (#1872)
Gosh ....the anomalies just keep piling up. Maybe there was some kind of space warp on that date where materials interchanged their structural qualities for a few hours. Yes.... that must be it!!!!!!!!!

"Why doesn't Boeing design a new black-box data recorder manufactured from the same indestructible material used to produce magical Saudi passports?"

TwentyTwelve posted on 2009-03-31 0:18:51 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1874. To: TwentyTwelve, mininggold (#1871)
Make that coincidence #575.

I would love it if someone would actually compile such a list of all the "coincidences" from that day.

litus posted on 2009-03-31 0:20:12 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1875. To: TwentyTwelve, mininggold, James Deffenbach (#1873)
magical Saudi passports?"

there's also that magical jet fuel.
Anything else magical that day?

litus posted on 2009-03-31 0:21:15 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1876. To: TwentyTwelve (#1873)
Why doesn't Boeing design a new black-box data recorder manufactured from the same indestructible material used to produce magical Saudi passports?"

Sounds good to me. Boeing should be jumping all over that, with the discovery of how well that passport material survived the conflagration. I'm sure some of the other passengers were carrying passports too, evidently made of the regular old fashioned easily burnable material.

mininggold posted on 2009-03-31 0:25:05 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1877. To: litus, TwentyTwelve, mininggold, FormerLurker, all (#1874)
...a list of all the "coincidences" from that day...

911 Top 500 Questions
"If I were going to construct a God I would furnish him with some ways and qualities and characteristics which the Present One lacks... He would spend some of His eternities in trying to forgive Himself for making man unhappy when He could have made him happy with the same effort and He would spend the rest of them in studying astronomy." ~ Mark Twain

wudidiz posted on 2009-03-31 0:25:46 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1878. To: litus (#1875)
Anything else magical that day?

The whole thing was only plausible to generations raised on TV.

mininggold posted on 2009-03-31 0:26:54 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1879. To: wudidiz (#1877)
tnx; bookmarked.

litus posted on 2009-03-31 0:28:43 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1880. To: mininggold (#1878)
Not so! There's so many more people older than that who believe everything, as least in my anecdotal experiences.

litus posted on 2009-03-31 0:29:35 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1881. To: mininggold (#1878) (Edited)
The whole thing was only plausible to generations raised on TV.

TV wasn't required to get people to believe aliens had invaded from Mars. A radio show worked quite well. Conning people use to be done face to face, now with broadcasting through electro-magnetic radio waves, cable and DSL phone lines it is done to the masses wherever they happen to be.
God is always good!
RickyJ posted on 2009-03-31 0:36:40 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1882. To: litus (#1880)
I agree, I should have rephrased it to read differently.
I've always thought that the elderly were even more susceptible to TV's influences. My Grandmother swore that soap operas were truly real life. I would laugh when she said that and tell her. "Grandma... not one living person can have all those problems in their daily life".

mininggold posted on 2009-03-31 0:43:27 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1883. To: RickyJ (#1881)
TV wasn't required to get people to believe aliens had invaded from Mars. A radio show worked quite well. Conning people use to be done face to face, now with broadcasting through elctro-magnetic radio waves, cable and DSL phone lines it is done to the masses wherever they happen to be.

Yeah.. radio could be even more dramatic, and some believed everything put in print too.

mininggold posted on 2009-03-31 0:46:42 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1884. To: mininggold (#1882)
hahaha!
That's right, and it's those older folks who fall for the scams, too...from Kumbayah town.
: )

litus posted on 2009-03-31 0:48:20 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1885. To: RickyJ, litus (#1881)
I think I will demand reams and reams of data and sources from both of you to back up your assertions. LOLOL

mininggold posted on 2009-03-31 0:50:22 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1886. To: mininggold (#1885)
lol!!
Uh, sorry...I've got that data locked up in my lock box!

litus posted on 2009-03-31 0:51:42 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1887. To: litus (#1875)
there's also that magical jet fuel.
Anything else magical that day?

you bettcha the magical way the initial report of the pentagon "attack" being a truck bomb disappeared in a flash.

IRTorqued posted on 2009-03-31 0:53:48 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1888. To: IRTorqued (#1887)
you bettcha the magical way the initial report of the pentagon "attack" being a truck bomb disappeared in a flash.

Intensive structural remodeling was also being done in that area with a new electrical conduit system and water mains.

mininggold posted on 2009-03-31 0:59:09 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1889. To: IRTorqued (#1887)
the magical way the initial report of the pentagon "attack" being a truck bomb disappeared in a flash.

That's news to me!

litus posted on 2009-03-31 0:59:25 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1890. To: litus (#1889)
"As everyone knows, on 11 September, less than an hour after the attack on the World Trade Center, an airplane collided with the Pentagon. The Associated Press first reported that a booby-trapped truck had caused the explosion. The Pentagon quickly denied this. The official US government version of events still holds. Here's a little game for you: Take a look at these photographs and try to find evidence to corroborate the official version. It's up to you to Hunt the Boeing!"

IRTorqued posted on 2009-03-31 1:13:50 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1891. To: IRTorqued (#1890)
Thanks for posting that. I remembered seeing those particular pictures some time ago, but I don't remember anything about any "truck" stories.
I'll have to re-read what you posted; bookmarked.

litus posted on 2009-03-31 1:17:03 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1892. To: mininggold (#1888)
my big boss had his office one ring in from the damage, on occasion while going through the course of my day I would connect into the pentagon live cam site on the secure terminal I worked at, funny thing for around three days prior all the cams were down and stayed down for about a week after.

IRTorqued posted on 2009-03-31 1:19:53 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1893. To: IRTorqued, mininggold (#1892)
funny thing for around three days prior all the cams were down and stayed down for about a week after.

what another coincidence!

litus posted on 2009-03-31 1:23:37 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1894. To: litus (#1891)
neither here or there but I was up for sailor of the quarter a bit after 9/11; during the oral board I was asked what I thought about baalzabush's talk about a war on terrorism, I said it's just like the war on drugs; all a bunch of bulldung. the guy who aked me the question already knew what I thought of it prior to asking as we'd talk about related issues daily. I was a white male up against a black male and two gals of mexican descent so I knew no matter how I answered it wasn't my quarter for a grab and grin.

IRTorqued posted on 2009-03-31 1:29:20 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1895. To: IRTorqued (#1894)
I knew no matter how I answered it wasn't my quarter for a grab and grin

That's pc BS.

litus posted on 2009-03-31 1:35:13 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1896. To: litus (#1893)
kinda like the floors of wtc one and two beneath those struck closed off for "renovation" with access limited to a very few select group of "workers" a few weeks prior to 9/11.

IRTorqued posted on 2009-03-31 1:37:08 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1897. To: IRTorqued (#1896)
the floors of wtc one and two beneath those struck closed off for "renovation" with access limited to a very few select group of "workers" a few weeks prior to 9/11.

Yeah, kinda like that, and that never gets "talked about" either.

litus posted on 2009-03-31 1:39:45 ET Reply Trace Private Reply

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