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Title: The thread that's changed its focus from the original title. Carry on ;)
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Published: Mar 21, 2009
Author: m e
Post Date: 2009-03-21 08:19:06 by Itistoolate
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#172. To: tom007 (#171)
Zbig and the illegal shadow government created the chaos.
Hell they created sadam and osama.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara posted on 2009-03-22 0:38:38 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#173. To: Rotara (#165)

Barry Jennings disagreed at one time, but then he was threatened, and now he is dead.
He was an eyewitness.

One eyewitness is not nearly enough.
The demolition hypothesis doesn't even make sense. Why would they place demolitions then fly airplanes into them anyway? Do you think America would be less pissed off if they crashed airplanes into the towers, and they didn't fall? Probably not. It needlessly complicates a plan. And then tower 7 makes even less sense. If its impossible for tower 7 to fall down from fire, why would they bomb it? What good is it knocking down a building with nobody in it?
If I were going to fake a terrorist attack in the United States for political gain, I'd pick a small-big city like Duluth, Minnesota and set off a dirty bomb, then blame it on muslims crossing the border. You'd have political capital to invade any country you like, Iran, Pakistan, Iraq, North Korea, all the above.
What I wouldn't do is fly real planes into buildings into buildings rigged with explosives. The United States has the best material science engineers, the best civil engineers and the best physicists. You won't be able to fake something that defies the laws of the universe.

Rhino369 posted on 2009-03-22 0:44:23 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#174. To: Rotara, ALL (#169)
O darling I wish I could
I clicked on 4um originally yesterday to see if there was anything posted about LP, why it was down
there wasn't anything
so then I looked at the articles posted to see which ones interested me, I read them and the threads under them
then I looked at Latest Comments and read those threads
For some reason you had a lot of comments on the threads I read, I found them so interesting
so then when I went back to Latest Comments later on in evening
I clicked on your posts
I found your posts lively, interesting, and thoughtful
they made me think and gave me ideas
I appreciated them
Love, Palo
I totally enjoyed lurking on 4um yesterday evening and spent a lot of time here
there were many many perceptive, thought-provoking comments by many posters
I am sorry LP is down, but every cloud has a silver lining
and I totally enjoyed spending yesterday evening reading all the threads on 4um

palo verde posted on 2009-03-22 0:48:22 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#175. To: Rhino369 (#173)
One eyewitness is not nearly enough

Bullshit.
You need to ferret this one out before you scream flake.
This one is more than enough.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara posted on 2009-03-22 0:48:43 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#176. To: Rhino369 (#173)
The demolition hypothesis doesn't even make sense.

The demolition hypothesis is the only one that makes sencse given the nature of the collapse.

Why would they place demolitions then fly airplanes into them anyway?

Are you really this ignorant? Or do you think we are just a bunch of dumbass yahoos?
Demolition without planes and fire would be too obvious an inside job. The planes provided a decent cover story for a while, but once the shock wore off, those of us with a few working brain cells began to see through the fairy tale.
Make awkward sexual advances, not war.
Morehead City Concerts Summer 2009
Critter posted on 2009-03-22 0:49:10 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#177. To: Critter (#127)
So which is it? Ignorance? Or shilliness?

No,it's just a case of you being full of shit.

sneakypete posted on 2009-03-22 0:49:10 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#178. To: christine (#157)
http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/...sland_-_G._Edward_Griffin
Here you can download the audio book of the book. I hope you don't mind me posting it because its probably extra-legal to say the least. I'll listen to it at work this week.

Rhino369 posted on 2009-03-22 0:50:24 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#179. To: sneakypete (#177)
So which is it? Ignorance? Or shilliness?
No,it's just a case of you being full of shit.

I wish you had plead ignorance. Then I could at least feel some sympathy for you.
Make awkward sexual advances, not war.
Morehead City Concerts Summer 2009
Critter posted on 2009-03-22 0:50:31 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#180. To: palo verde (#129)
Hello Palo. Good to see you.
Goldi was out of work for a while,but started a new job maybe 6 months ago

sneakypete posted on 2009-03-22 0:50:39 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#181. To: Dakmar (#168)
LOL Dakmar
I forgot how funnnny your posts are
you always make me laugh
you are so creative!
Love, Palo

palo verde posted on 2009-03-22 0:50:58 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#182. To: Rhino369 (#173)
You won't be able to fake something that defies the laws of the universe.

They did fake something that defies the laws of the universe and some people still buy it, and some just shill for it. Which are you?
Make awkward sexual advances, not war.
Morehead City Concerts Summer 2009
Critter posted on 2009-03-22 0:52:05 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#183. To: Rotara (#169)
You might want a salad with the forthcoming fiber.
/snicker

nooz posted on 2009-03-22 0:52:44 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#184. To: Rotara (#132)
WTC 7 was taken down by demolition.

No,it wasn't,and it's plenty disputable.
I'm not about to waste any more of my time disputing these facts with people who are absolutely in love with this conspiracy theory. Believe what you want to believe.

sneakypete posted on 2009-03-22 0:53:42 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#185. To: Critter, sneakypete (#179)
Pete's a good guy, no matter how much I disagree with him he never runs to the genies for facts that just aren't.
The ultimate effect of shielding men from the effects of folly, is to fill the world with fools. - Herbert Spencer
Dakmar posted on 2009-03-22 0:54:22 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#186. To: sneakypete (#180)
Hello Palo. Good to see you.
Goldi was out of work for a while,but started a new job maybe 6 months ago

Hi Pete
Nice to see you here too
I have many old friends on this forum, I am happy to see them now
and it makes me feel comfortable that you and Lib are here too
It's fun having a change in forum
Love, Palo

palo verde posted on 2009-03-22 0:55:12 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#187. To: palo verde (#135)
I guess he meant it as a prank,

No,he meant it to cause harm.

sneakypete posted on 2009-03-22 0:55:36 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#188. To: Dakmar, sneakypete (#185)
Pete's either still in a hypnotic, coolaid induced state or a shill. I don't know which just yet.
Make awkward sexual advances, not war.
Morehead City Concerts Summer 2009
Critter posted on 2009-03-22 0:56:41 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#189. To: Rhino369 (#163)
It can't even torture people in Iraq in secret

Do you really think the photos depicting demented acts of degration were just something that came about because there were a few photo bugs onboard?
Something like that doesn't happen by accident. It is a psyop, the publicity and tales about torture are MEANT to piss people off. The more Muslims they can piss off, the better.
There's nothing like a REAL terror event to move things in the "right" direction. That way there won't be any questions asked, and everyone will gladly go along with whatever they are told needs to be done.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-03-22 0:57:44 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#190. To: Critter (#176)

The demolition hypothesis is the only one that makes sencse given the nature of the collapse.

That highly heated steel buckles under pressure?

Are you really this ignorant? Or do you think we are just a bunch of dumbass yahoos?

No response, yes.

Demolition without planes and fire would be too obvious an inside job. The planes provided a decent cover story for a while, but once the shock wore off, those of us with a few working brain cells began to see through the fairy tale.

Why would they choose a cover that, if what you say is true, any decent civil engineer in America would see through?
If they just flew airplanes into buildings and they just burned, and didn't fall, do you really think people would have been less pissed off? Why does the building need to fall?

Rhino369 posted on 2009-03-22 0:57:57 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#191. To: sneakypete (#187)
(Palo) I guess he meant it as a prank,
(Pete) No,he meant it to cause harm.

Pete, you think the poster Mrs Yukon, who chose that name to upset Yukon
posted those raunchy articles with malicious intent to harm LP?
I was giving him the benefit of the doubt but maybe you are right
Love, Palo

palo verde posted on 2009-03-22 0:59:46 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#192. To: Rhino369 (#163)
What is more likely? Our domestic air defense systems were hopelessly unprepared, or our government set it up, then perfectly executed the plan?

Do you think the war games planned for that day, and the armada of ships sitting in the Indian Ocean were just there by coincidence?
Do you REALLY think a 110 story can collapse about as fast as if it were falling through thin air?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-03-22 0:59:48 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#193. To: Rhino369 (#190)
Why would they choose a cover that, if what you say is true, any decent civil engineer in America would see through?

623 architectural and engineering professionals have seen through it:
http://www.ae911truth.org/
Make awkward sexual advances, not war.
Morehead City Concerts Summer 2009
Critter posted on 2009-03-22 1:00:45 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#194. To: sneakypete (#184) (Edited)
WTC 7 was taken down by demolition.
No,it wasn't,and it's plenty disputable.

I'm not about to waste any more of my time
Of course you won't. Nor will I. ;-)

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara posted on 2009-03-22 1:00:45 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#195. To: Critter, sneakypete (#188)
Pete's either still in a hypnotic, coolaid induced state or a shill. I don't know which just yet.

I doubt I'll ever control enough flying monkey slaves to get a good answer for those type questions.
The ultimate effect of shielding men from the effects of folly, is to fill the world with fools. - Herbert Spencer
Dakmar posted on 2009-03-22 1:05:06 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#196. To: Rhino369 (#163)
silly conspiracy theories take away from learning the real truth

Not only that,but those same conspiracy theories are LOVED by the government because it allows them to dismiss any questions about their conduct as being linked to "those insane conspiracy freaks".
Instead of helping the cause of freedom,all they are doing in hurting it and helping the government.
AND....it does no good at all to argue with them because they are obsessed with every little detail,and have reams of false "Facts" to back up their arguments. What makes it so hard to argue against any conspiracy theory is that the best ones are all believable because there is a basis in fact to all of them.
For example *I* am the one that started the conspiracy theory Hillary Clinton being behind the crash of JFK Jr's airplane and his death. I started this rumor on FR and used the fact that he had been talking about running for the same Senate seat ("his" family Senate seat) that she was running for,and this is the reason she had a had the airplane rigged to crash. Within a hour this was accepted as the gospel,and I was being called a DNC shill for saying it was made up,and a liar for saying I was the one who made it up. DESPITE the fact that the proof I was the one who made it up was right there on that very thread!
Everybody jumped on the one little fact about the Senate seat,and that was all they needed or wanted to hear.

sneakypete posted on 2009-03-22 1:08:19 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#197. To: Critter (#182)

They did fake something that defies the laws of the universe and some people still buy it, and some just shill for it. Which are you?

I buy it. There is no motive for such a complicated plan. A much simpler plan could be done that has the same effect without 1/10 the risk. Faking a truck bombing like the OKC bombing and have the building fall instantly for one.
I'm not an expert in civil engineering, nor material sciences, but I've taken a course on metal stresses and strains, and what happens at the failure point in metals. I understand the basics of how the collapse happened, but I'm not nearly qualified to judge it. However the people who are qualified, aren't coming out and saying its impossible.
So the experts don't agree, there is no motive, and there is no reliable evidence. Why should I believe such a thing?
Furthermore, you believe your government murdered thousands of Americans for political gain, and successfully covered it up. Why are you not at war with it? I'm not for revolution, except under very drastic situations, one such situation would be the government murdering it citizens.
And if you are not at war with it because you know you'd die (which I wouldn't look down on you for, I wouldn't fight without sufficient numbers either), why don't you try to uncover some of the guilty parties? Woodward and Bernstein didn't expose Nixon by writing letters to the editor in obscure papers.

Rhino369 posted on 2009-03-22 1:09:08 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#198. To: sneakypete (#196)
it allows them to dismiss any questions about their conduct

LOL
As bright as you are; I don't get it. How can you be so blind ?

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara posted on 2009-03-22 1:10:17 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#199. To: All (#195)
I thank you all for your warm welcome
as a posting "addict" I am glad I can post here
I am happy to be posting on 4um
what Goldi will do I do not know
but as long as I can post here, I am happy
and she can take her time making any decision she wants
I love you
Palo

palo verde posted on 2009-03-22 1:11:51 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#200. To: Rhino369 (#197)
Faking a truck bombing like the OKC bombing and have the building fall instantly for one.

What better way to crank up the war machine than to rally the peeps with the New Pearl Harbor ? Does the DHS have something on you ?

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara posted on 2009-03-22 1:11:56 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#201. To: FormerLurker (#189)
If that was the intent it massively back fired. The pictures were a massive embarrassment for the Bush admin, and helped start the antiwar movement in moderate political circles.

Rhino369 posted on 2009-03-22 1:12:25 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#202. To: palo verde (#199)
Glad 4um could be your sloppy seconds. ;-)

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara posted on 2009-03-22 1:12:33 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#203. To: Rotara (#198)
LOL
As bright as you are; I don't get it. How can you be so blind ?

We have buyers tonight.
Quick, let's sell them some goob repo's and throw out somemore people screwed over by the promise of change and hope.

nooz posted on 2009-03-22 1:13:45 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#204. To: nooz (#203)
heheheheheheheheeeeee

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara posted on 2009-03-22 1:16:33 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#205. To: palo verde (#199)
I am happy to be posting on 4um
what Goldi will do I do not know

Wouldn't all be serendipity if she let me post there as Flappy The Clown? :0
Ok, prolly not. :)
The ultimate effect of shielding men from the effects of folly, is to fill the world with fools. - Herbert Spencer
Dakmar posted on 2009-03-22 1:21:24 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#206. To: Rotara (#202)
LOL Rotara!
I have been a member of this forum several times
and I have always been happy here
but my problem is my views are very eccentric
and I don't like to make waves
so the result is I keep my mouth shut on some things, and post on other things when I am on 4um,
I do not want to antagonize anyone with my views
LP has so many opposite extreme views on every single topic
that I feel free to be totally eccentric there
Love, Palo

palo verde posted on 2009-03-22 1:22:09 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#207. To: Rotara, Rhino369, TwentyTwelve, christine, G Edward Griffin (#121)
As if your life depended on it yesterday.

I absolutely, 100%, recommend G. Edward Griffin's book, The Creature From Jekyll Island: A Second Look at the Federal Reserve. It's a must read. Beyond being informative, I found it interesting as to current affairs and historically. It's well written, easy to understand, and well referenced throughout. If you are angry now, you will be absolutely fuming when halfway through reading it and beyond livid when finished.
And then you may need to pound a few keys on the old computer to get some steam off. : )

litus posted on 2009-03-22 1:23:03 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#208. To: FormerLurker (#192)

Do you think the war games planned for that day, and the armada of ships sitting in the Indian Ocean were just there by coincidence?

The war games yes. I don't know about an Armada in the Indian Ocean, care to explain further.

Do you REALLY think a 110 story can collapse about as fast as if it were falling through thin air?

It didn't fall at free fall. All video evidence suggests it fell slower. Free fall would be about 9+ seconds, the video evidence suggests at minimum 13+ seconds more like 15+ in one tower and 17+ in the other.
Plus if demolitions were set it wouldn't fall at free fall either. The buildings collapse at the impact and then collapse down. Even if the collapse was started by demolitions (how the fuck did they aim the planes that well!) it would still have to follow the laws of physics. You can't fake those.

Rhino369 posted on 2009-03-22 1:23:26 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#209. To: palo verde (#206)
I'm sorry, I was tripping.
Please elaborate on 1) my interesting posts and 2) your eccentric takes on things.
xoxoxox

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara posted on 2009-03-22 1:23:49 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#210. To: litus (#207)
If you are angry now, you will be absolutely fuming when halfway through reading it and beyond livid when finished.

The truth has set many free

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara posted on 2009-03-22 1:24:37 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#211. To: Rotara (#210)
I was already "set free" many years ago, and it created peace and calm.
: )

litus posted on 2009-03-22 1:26:26 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#212. To: Rhino369 (#201)
The pictures were a massive embarrassment for the Bush admin, and helped start the antiwar movement in moderate political circles.

We haven't pulled out of Iraq or Afghanistan yet, so I don't think that anti- war movement was too successful.
Besides, the southern border is still wide open. Don't you think they'd close it down REALLY well if they truly DIDN'T want a terror attack to occur on US soil? The torture, both photographed and reported, was not to extract "confessions". It was to agitate a response.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-03-22 1:27:19 ET Reply Trace Private Reply

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