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Title: The thread that's changed its focus from the original title. Carry on ;)
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Published: Mar 21, 2009
Author: m e
Post Date: 2009-03-21 08:19:06 by Itistoolate
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#1910. To: Dakmar, FormerLurker (#1844)
Pay particular attention here, war, try to wrap your mind around an idea like that.

It's a moronic parsing...the tanks are part of the plane...it's like saying a car doesn't crash but its front end does.

war posted on 2009-03-31 10:33:42 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1911. To: war (#1909)
Indeed, I have read that a gag order was imposed on the firemen.
No such order exists.

Prove that the fireman were not threatened and did not receive calls at home to shut up.
How do you live with yourself?

TwentyTwelve posted on 2009-03-31 10:34:48 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1912. To: RickyJ (#1845)
Neither does war, that is why he is here.

You're pretty fucking stupid aren't you?

war posted on 2009-03-31 10:34:56 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1913. To: war (#1907)
Nope. Thee is 0 evidence of a controlled demolition.
NONE.

OMG you are stupid.

TwentyTwelve posted on 2009-03-31 10:35:45 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1914. To: TwentyTwelve (#1846)
Professor Steven Jones

How many times does this guy have to be discredited before you get it that he's discredited?
Both of the government-sponsored engineering studies of the Twin Towers' "collapses" -- FEMA's and NIST's -- are highly misleading about the core structures.
Gee...here's a paper that debumks that very notion:
Excerpt:
NIST: “As stated above, the core columns were designed to support approximately 50% of the gravity loads” [4]. “The hat-truss tied the core to the perimeter walls of the towers, and thus allowed the building to withstand the effects of the aircraft impact and subsequent fires for a much longer time—enabling large numbers of building occupants to evacuate safely” [10]...
The fact is the Towers were constructed with a substantial load-supporting core structure as well as perimeter columns – and on this point we agree with NIST in dispelling false popular notions.
was co-authored by...wait for it...Professor Steven Jones
[snicker]

war posted on 2009-03-31 10:49:12 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1915. To: TwentyTwelve (#1846)
Working link

war posted on 2009-03-31 10:50:46 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1916. To: TwentyTwelve (#1913)
OMG you are stupid.

Given the fact that you've yet to answer the most basic questions that's a stupid statement in and of itself.
What are yo afraid of? REAL answers?

war posted on 2009-03-31 10:51:42 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1917. To: TwentyTwelve (#1849)
Debinked on this very thread Moonie...see post #1780

war posted on 2009-03-31 11:00:06 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1918. To: litus (#1851)
FEMA's report is not the official report.

war posted on 2009-03-31 11:00:53 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1919. To: TwentyTwelve (#1852)
a building with 47 columns

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war posted on 2009-03-31 11:07:19 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1920. To: litus (#1855)
Maybe just shills who went along to go along?

OF COURSE!!!
That's it!!!
The Bilderberg's AND the Illumnati BOTH got to 'em.
BASTARDS!!!!

war posted on 2009-03-31 11:08:21 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1921. To: litus (#1855)
FEMA...was entrusted with the sole responsibility for investigating the collapses.

Bzzzzt...outright lie...

war posted on 2009-03-31 11:09:36 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1922. To: TwentyTwelve (#1856)
David Ray Griffin

Is a fucking PASTOR, dope.

war posted on 2009-03-31 11:11:19 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1923. To: litus (#1858)
war, you call the above a "scientific" study based upon the scientific method? You think such kinds of "scientific" findings are credible?

ROFLMAO..
No I call it you being so fucking stupid that it's amazing that you breathe unassisted. OF COURSE, "variables" were adjusted.
Maybe you, yourself, could use a primer in scientific method before you attack a group for using...wait for it...SCIENTIFIC METHOD.

war posted on 2009-03-31 11:14:36 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1924. To: war (#1922)
David Ray Griffin
Is a fucking PASTOR, dope.

Twenty-Five Rules of Disinformation
Rule Number Five
Sidetrack opponents with name calling and ridicule. This is also known as the primary attack the messenger ploy, though other methods qualify as variants of that approach. Associate opponents with unpopular titles such as "kooks", "right-wing", "liberal", "left-wing", "terrorists", "conspiracy buffs", "radicals", "militia", "racists", "religious fanatics", "sexual deviates", and so forth. This makes others shrink from support out of fear of gaining the same label, and you avoid dealing with issues.

TwentyTwelve posted on 2009-03-31 11:17:56 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1925. To: TwentyTwelve (#1863)
? The 47 story behemoth with limited fire in a few floors

Sucks for you that the fire in 7 was not limited to a few floors.

war posted on 2009-03-31 11:20:34 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1926. To: TwentyTwelve (#1924)
Sidetrack opponents with name calling and ridicule

Something you Troofers haven't done.
/sarcasm

This is also known as the primary attack the messenger
Anotehr ploy eschewed by you Troofers...
/sarcasm
That said, the guy IS a fucking pastor.

war posted on 2009-03-31 11:22:45 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1927. To: TwentyTwelve (#1867)
I suppose the US government wants us to believe that 300,000 pounds of aircraft parts collided with over 13 million tons of steel

Nope. It collided with a part of that 300K LBS...

war posted on 2009-03-31 11:23:41 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1928. To: TwentyTwelve (#1867)
Oops...13MM tons...sorry...

war posted on 2009-03-31 11:24:20 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1929. To: TwentyTwelve (#1868)
The fireballs of the WTC attacks melted structural steel that was designed to withstand heat of 2000 degrees F.

The steel in the WTC could only withstand 600 degree F before starting to become compromised and no-one has claimed that the steel melted except you Moonbats.
We've been throught his before...and you have been corrected on this before.
And yet those same fireballs somehow weren't strong enough to do anything to a pair of surviving passportsfound in pristine condition.
Given the inaccuracies of your descriptions to date...I highly doubt that they were so found...

war posted on 2009-03-31 11:31:40 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1930. To: IRTorqued (#1896)
kinda like the floors of wtc one and two beneath those struck closed off for "renovation" with access limited to a very few select group of "workers" a few weeks prior to 9/11.

Absolutely false...

war posted on 2009-03-31 11:34:15 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1931. To: TwentyTwelve (#1911)
Prove that the fireman were not threatened and did not receive calls at home to shut up.

Wha...chuckle...huh?
Prove that something did NOT happen?
You folks just relish living in the realm of the mind numbing stupid.

war posted on 2009-03-31 11:36:04 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1932. To: war (#1931)
Prove that the fireman were not threatened and did not receive calls at home to shut up.
Wha...chuckle...huh?
Prove that something did NOT happen?

It DID happen.
And YOU know it.

TwentyTwelve posted on 2009-03-31 11:47:53 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1933. To: TwentyTwelve (#1932)
It DID happen.

Actually, I just called a good buddy of mine who happens to be my wife's cousin and who is a decorated FDNY LT who was on site 9/11 and he says unequivocally that you are...
FULL OF SHIT....

war posted on 2009-03-31 11:57:04 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1934. To: war (#1933)
It DID happen.
Actually, I just called a good buddy of mine who happens to be my wife's cousin and who is a decorated FDNY LT who was on site 9/11 and he says unequivocally that you are...
FULL OF SHIT....

And just how does your good buddy know that there were no threatening phone calls from the NWO to “shut up or else”?
Your good buddy might have been the one making the phone calls.
hmmmmmm.....

TwentyTwelve posted on 2009-03-31 12:05:21 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1935. To: TwentyTwelve (#1934)
And just how does your good buddy know that there were no threatening phone calls from the NWO to “shut up or else”?

FDNY is a very close knit almost closed fraternity. Had anyone of them been intimidated over 9/11, it would be a) well known who was and b) why. Besides which...I am not the one who is making the claim.
FWIW, I lost several dozen friends and acquiantances that day. A good portion of my friends were FDNY. I went to more funerals over those two months than mostg wil in a lifetime.

war posted on 2009-03-31 12:08:28 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1936. To: TwentyTwelve (#1934)
Your good buddy might have been the one making the phone calls.

ROFLMAO...you really are a tool.

war posted on 2009-03-31 12:08:59 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1937. To: war (#1931)
You folks just relish living in the realm of the mind numbing stupid.

And yet here you are plodding through this like none of it reflects on you. And so far you haven't been able to specify just what qualifications makes you such an expert BUT you seem to hold that on a pedestal as a must have qualification for others.
You are taking published "data", filtering it and forming your own opinion from it just like everyone else here.
Too many qualified and respected in the industry disagree with you so are you emailing them with your infantile name calling too. I used to have some respect for your opinions even when I disagreed but egads you are sounding more and more like Yukon here.

mininggold posted on 2009-03-31 12:09:19 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1938. To: war (#1935)
FWIW, I lost several dozen friends and acquiantances that day. A good portion of my friends were FDNY. I went to more funerals over those two months than mostg wil in a lifetime.

You should be very upset that you were lied to by your own Government!
You should want to seek out the truth.

TwentyTwelve posted on 2009-03-31 12:12:57 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1939. To: mininggold (#1937)
You are taking published "data", filtering it and forming your own opinion from it just like everyone else here.

Nope. What I am taking is VERIFIABLE data and then processing it.
Most of what you Moonbats have been forthing on about is wholly UNverfiable and in some case are just outright lies...e.g. the final report blames jet fuel for melting steel and that the buildings pancaked.
If you read some of my responses today you will see that I responded to a post by 2012 containing an article by Steven Jones in which he accuses NIST of ignoring the vital role played by the core support in WTC.
My rebuttal was an article co-authored by that same Steven Jones [he got top billing, btw] in which he SPECIFICALLY LAUDED the NIST for identifying the vital role that the core played in WTC's support.

war posted on 2009-03-31 12:15:24 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1940. To: mininggold (#1937)
Too many qualified and respected in the industry

Like whom?

war posted on 2009-03-31 12:15:56 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1941. To: mininggold (#1937)
Too many qualified and respected in the industry

Like whom? My take on most of the Troofers is that they are in fact, NOT experts in what they are claining to be experts in. For the most part, if you aren;t a structural engineer, your opinion about the strcutural engineering is going to be fairly useless.

war posted on 2009-03-31 12:17:42 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1942. To: war, mininggold, Litus (#1940)
Too many qualified and respected in the industry
Like whom?

TwentyTwelve posted on 2009-03-31 12:23:51 ET (1 image) Reply Trace Private Reply
#1943. To: TwentyTwelve (#1942)
LOLOL at the doggy.
I still believe it's the government's job to make sense of their investigations and logically present them to the hard working tax paying citizens. If they don't know the answers then they should just say so and quite making up scenarios that often contradict each other.

mininggold posted on 2009-03-31 12:45:57 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1944. To: war (#1941)
Like whom? My take on most of the Troofers is that they are in fact, NOT experts in what they are claining to be experts in. For the most part, if you aren;t a structural engineer, your opinion about the strcutural engineering is going to be fairly useless.

So you are a structural engineer?

mininggold posted on 2009-03-31 13:15:44 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1945. To: mininggold (#1944)
So you are a structural engineer?

Nope. I never claimed that I was but I do have a background in basic physics.
But, in re WTC, when I weigh engineering factors and I am given the opinion of some structural engineer and some by a pastor or a radio talk show host whom do you believe I am going to give more weight to? When I read the opinion of an engineer regarding what happened versus some Moonbat on the internet whose only retort is that I am a government shill, whom do you believe I will give more weight to?

war posted on 2009-03-31 13:29:53 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1946. To: TwentyTwelve (#1942)
Thinking of having polo's made?

war posted on 2009-03-31 13:30:39 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1947. To: mininggold, TwentyTwelve (#1943)
LOLOL at the doggy.

Twenty-Five Rules of Disinformation
Rule Number Five
Sidetrack opponents with name calling and ridicule. This is also known as the primary attack the messenger ploy, though other methods qualify as variants of that approach. Associate opponents with unpopular titles such as "kooks", "right-wing", "liberal", "left-wing", "terrorists", "conspiracy buffs", "radicals", "militia", "racists", "religious fanatics", "sexual deviates", and so forth. This makes others shrink from support out of fear of gaining the same label, and you avoid dealing with issues.

war posted on 2009-03-31 13:32:54 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1948. To: war (#1933)
Actually, I just called a good buddy of mine who happens to be my wife's cousin and who is a decorated FDNY LT who was on site 9/11 and he says unequivocally that you are...
FULL OF SHIT....

Rule Number One
Hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil. Regardless of what you know, don't discuss it -- especially if you are a public figure, news anchor, etc. If it's not reported, it didn't happen, and you never have to deal with the issues.

TwentyTwelve posted on 2009-03-31 13:37:30 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1949. To: war (#1709)
That guy is a moron...the left side of that building had CLEARLY begun to sag on the top left side in frame 30.

and that's relevant how in regard to wtc7 collapsing at free fall speed?
who's the moron now, mooooarooon?

Also. in the NIST guy in Part II states that it was the time that 7 disappeared behind the two buildings...that is NOT when it was done falling.

see reply above

More smoke and mirrors...

as you wish, mr. 95%er...

Forensic Metallurgy Metallurgical Examination of WTC Steel Suggests Explosives
Although virtually all of the structural steel from the Twin Towers and Building 7 was removed and destroyed, preventing forensic analysis, FEMA's volunteer investigators did manage to perform "limited metallurgical examination" of some of the steel before it was recycled. Their observations, including numerous micrographs, are recorded in Appendix C of the WTC Building Performance Study. Prior to the release of FEMA's report, a fire protection engineer and two science professors published a brief report in JOM disclosing some of this evidence.
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The "Deep Mystery" of Melted Steel
Materials science professors Ronald R. Biederman and Richard D. Sisson Jr. confirmed the presence of eutectic formations by examining steel samples under optical and scanning electron microscopes. A preliminary report was published in JOM, the journal of the Minerals, Metals & Materials Society. A more detailed analysis comprises Appendix C of the FEMA report. The New York Times called these findings "perhaps the deepest mystery uncovered in the investigation." The significance of the work on a sample from Building 7 and a structural column from one of the twin towers becomes apparent only when one sees these heavy chunks of damaged metal.
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"The important questions," says Biederman, "are how much sulfur do you need, and where did it come from? The answer could be as simple--and this is scary- as acid rain."

do you agree with hopeful-of NIST-funding-biederman that the presence of sulphur in that steel from wtc7 which FEMA volunteer investigators could have inferred that a "liquid eutectic mixture" formed during a "hot corrosion attack on the steel" resulting in "intergranular melting capable of turning a solid steel girder into Swiss cheese" may have been introduced by exposure to scary, scary acid rain (hahaha)????
(around here, when it rains, water comes right through the roof and runs right down the walls, but i figured nycitiers were more sophisticated and had overcome the raining-inside-a-building problem with ingenious engineering)

postpunk posted on 2009-03-31 13:42:01 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1950. To: TwentyTwelve (#1948)
Oddly missing is you supporting any of your Monnbat statements and theories when directly questioned.
Why is that?

war posted on 2009-03-31 13:42:45 ET Reply Trace Private Reply

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