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Title: The thread that's changed its focus from the original title. Carry on ;)
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Published: Mar 21, 2009
Author: m e
Post Date: 2009-03-21 08:19:06 by Itistoolate
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#1983. To: litus (#1978)

only a tiny fraction of steel was analyzed from the WTC Towers, and none of the WTC 7 steel was analyzed by NIST. What happened to the rest of the steel from the crime scene?

It's in those Chinese made toaster ovens at Walmart. They can really stand up to the heat. LOL

mininggold  posted on  2009-03-31   15:28:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#1984. To: mininggold (#1983)

FOFL!!

litus  posted on  2009-03-31   15:28:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#1985. To: litus (#1978)

only a tiny fraction of steel was analyzed from the WTC Towers, and none of the WTC 7 steel was analyzed by NIST. What happened to the rest of the steel from the crime scene?

That's a decptinve statment...not all the steel was supporting...

war  posted on  2009-03-31   15:30:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#1986. To: war (#1953)

13odd seconds is not freefall speed. So, that's a non starter right there.

AH! Finally you commit to a specific collapse time, after several weeks of posturing on your part, that's amazing.

Anyways, since the free fall speed from the top of the towers would be 9.2 seconds, how do you account for the destruction of 100 floors of undamaged steel and cement in 3.8 seconds?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2009-03-31   15:30:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#1987. To: litus (#1975)

The Open Civil Engineering Journal, 2008, 2, 35-40

Youn do realize that I already posted this?

war  posted on  2009-03-31   15:31:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#1988. To: war (#1904)

Uh no...but the load bearing capabilities of the structure holding up that mass certainly changed...the floor was ssuspended between two support structures...

Oh, so you think the columns became wet noodles too? Probably becasue of that fire, huh? The same fire that won't melt your steel grill but will cause sky scrapper strength quality steel to turn into wet noddles? You better find another excuse, that one won't work.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2009-03-31   15:31:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#1989. To: war (#1985)

Doesn't look at all deceptive to me.

Nothing in that statement states anything with regard to all the steel...supporting."

litus  posted on  2009-03-31   15:33:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#1990. To: FormerLurker (#1986)

AH! Finally you commit to a specific collapse time, after several weeks of posturing on your part, that's amazing.

WTF are you babbling about, Moonie. Not only have I stated that on here several times...I've stated it for YEARS.

Dude...it's obvious that through our exchanges, you either don't read what I post or you are of such obvious derangement that you don't comprehend what you read.

war  posted on  2009-03-31   15:34:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#1991. To: litus (#1989)

Nothing in that statement states anything with regard to all the steel...supporting."

WQhy would any other steel need to be analyzed?

BTW, if you want to bicth and moan about the clean up speed then I would be in agreement. I beleive ti's criminal that the greedheads were talking about rebuilding the site within a day of the attack and that they tried to thwart the recovery so that they could start construction.

war  posted on  2009-03-31   15:36:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#1992. To: RickyJ (#1988)

Oh, so you think the columns became wet noodles too?

Huh?

You need to start subtitling your responses. I can't read Moronese.

war  posted on  2009-03-31   15:37:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#1993. To: FormerLurker (#1986)

Anyways, since the free fall speed from the top of the towers would be 9.2 seconds, how do you account for the destruction of 100 floors of undamaged steel and cement in 3.8 seconds?

Huh?

The 13 seconds, dickweed, was for WTC 7... More proof that you're functionally stupid.

war  posted on  2009-03-31   15:39:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#1994. To: Elliott Jackalope (#1980)

that the fires burning inside WTC 7 were hardly overwhelming

Lie.

war  posted on  2009-03-31   15:39:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#1995. To: war (#1979)

speed has a direct correlation to the accelerative force of gravity

way past correlation, we're talking cause and flipping effect, pal!

You cannot claim that an object fell at free fall speed while also claiming that it did not accelerate as such.

yes, i erred, hopefully not a capital offense.

whatsoever i cannot claim, that sentence above does not help to disconfuse matters.

acceleration = faster (increasing speed)

postpunk  posted on  2009-03-31   15:40:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#1996. To: war (#1991) (Edited)

none of the WTC 7 steel was analyzed by NIST. What happened to the rest of the steel from the crime scene?

That's a decptinve [sic] statment [sic] ...
WQhy [sic] would any other steel need to be analyzed?

You're joking, right? You didn't just ask "why should a criminal investigation investigate the location and debris within and surrounding the area of a crime scene?"

litus  posted on  2009-03-31   15:41:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#1997. To: postpunk (#1995)

we're talking cause and flipping effect

Neither your cause nor your effect are steeped in anything remotelyuresembling reality.

war  posted on  2009-03-31   15:44:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#1998. To: litus (#1996)

You're joking, right?

Nope.

You are claiming that a controlled demo;lition occurred. To use one of your fellow Moonbat's phraseology...you can't even support he "effect" of a CD which makes your argument of "cause" moot.

war  posted on  2009-03-31   15:46:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#1999. To: war (#1994)

Here's some pictures of the WTC 7 fires.

Here's some pictures from an overwhelming tower fire, in China this last February.

One collapsed, the other didn't. Compare, contrast, discuss.

Gold and silver are REAL money, paper is but a promise.

Elliott Jackalope  posted on  2009-03-31   15:47:48 ET  (6 images) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2000. To: Elliott Jackalope (#1999)

I postred a video on here that shows WTC 7 burning out of control. I also posted a photo showing smoke pouring from the entirity of the South face if WTC7...

war  posted on  2009-03-31   15:50:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2001. To: war (#1998) (Edited)

War: WQhy [sic] would any other steel need to be analyzed?
[NOTE to War: No steel, whatsoever, from the WTC7 was analyzed]

You're joking, right? You didn't just ask "why should a criminal investigation investigate the location and debris within and surrounding the area of a crime scene?"

War: Nope. You are claiming that a controlled demo;lition occurred. To use one of your fellow Moonbat's phraseology...you can't even support he "effect" of a CD which makes your argument of "cause" moot.

So, you are admitting that the investigation into the fire and collapse of a skyscraper, which could have led to the deaths of hundreds of people, began, at the outset, with the presumption that the CRIME SCENE was not, in fact, a crime scene. The authorities (police, FBI, CIA, etc.) ruled out a crime had occurred from the outset, prior to conducting any investigations, gathering evidence, and speaking to witnesses could have occurred. From the moment of the CRIME...it was deemed "accidental" in nature, and the authorities subsequently only followed policy and procedures for accidents!

Yet this was a crime of infamous proportions!

litus  posted on  2009-03-31   15:50:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2002. To: war, Elliott Jackalope (#2000)

I postred a video on here that shows WTC 7 burning out of control.

You're a liar. You posted a picture of Building 5 and called it Building 7. Building 5 was engulfed in flames, yet didn't collapse.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2009-03-31   15:54:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2003. To: war (#1993)

The 13 seconds, dickweed, was for WTC 7... More proof that you're functionally stupid.

How long did it take for WTC 1 and WTC 2 to collapse then? BTW, do you have a source for your claim that it took WTC7 13 seconds to collapse? From what I've seen, it takes less than half that time for it to collapse in slow motion.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2009-03-31   15:56:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2004. To: FormerLurker, litusm Elliott Jackalope, Litus, wudidiz (#2002)

War is either senile or he needs a new pair of eye glasses.


TwentyTwelve  posted on  2009-03-31   15:56:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2005. To: Elliott Jackalope (#1999)

war  posted on  2009-03-31   15:57:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2006. To: FormerLurker (#2003)

How long did it take for WTC 1 and WTC 2 to collapse then

Asked and answered.

war  posted on  2009-03-31   15:58:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2007. To: FormerLurker (#2003)

BTW, do you have a source for your claim that it took WTC7 13 seconds to collapse? From what I've seen, it takes less than half that time for it to collapse in slow motion.

read the thread. I'm done repeating myself.

war  posted on  2009-03-31   15:59:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2008. To: FormerLurker (#2002)

You're a liar. You posted a picture of Building 5 and called it Building 7. Building 5 was engulfed in flames, yet didn't collapse.

Dickhead...that was posted when you said that none of the WTC buildings were engulfed in flames...

war  posted on  2009-03-31   16:00:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2009. To: war, FormerLurker, Elliott Jackalope, Litus, wudidiz (#2004)

Analysis of WTC's north tower collapse indicative of controlled demolition.
Analysis Of WTC Collapse -

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2009-03-31   16:07:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2010. To: war (#2005)

I just watched that video from beginning to end. I do not see anything in that video to change my mind. Once again, while that was a good-sized fire, and it made a lot of smoke, that doesn't change the fact that the fire was hardly overwhelming, and I am simply unable to accept the idea that a fire of that size and nature was able to result in the total structural failure of a steel-framed skyscraper. Especially when there have been huge skyscraper fires before and since, and none of them have ever resulted in the total structural failure and collapse of a building.

Gold and silver are REAL money, paper is but a promise.

Elliott Jackalope  posted on  2009-03-31   16:08:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2011. To: war (#1997)

Neither your cause nor your effect are steeped in anything remotelyuresembling reality.

what?

cause-->gravity

effect-->unsupported objects gather velocity in a calculable manner due to said gravity

your reality differs?

postpunk  posted on  2009-03-31   16:10:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2012. To: Elliott Jackalope (#2010)

I just watched that video from beginning to end. I do not see anything in that video to change my mind. Once again, while that was a good-sized fire, and it made a lot of smoke, that doesn't change the fact that the fire was hardly overwhelming

FDNY disagrees with your assessment thus obviating your "fact" to bullshit.

war  posted on  2009-03-31   16:12:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2013. To: Elliott Jackalope, war (#2010)

I am simply unable to accept the idea that a fire of that size and nature was able to result in the total structural failure of a steel-framed skyscraper.

The gumbint, the media and war all say it happened that way. Anyone that disagrees shall be called names and have fecal matter thrown at them.

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-03-31   16:13:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2014. To: postpunk (#2011)

what?

Did I stutter?

cause-->gravity blah blah blah

You don;t tap dance very well. You claimed thatg something "caused" those buildings to effectively collapse at free fall speed.

They did not collapse at free fall speed.

war  posted on  2009-03-31   16:15:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2015. To: bluegrass (#2013)

The gumbint, the media and war all say it happened that way. Anyone that disagrees shall be called names and have fecal matter thrown at them.

Oh please...you Moonies can;t even agree on what "the government" says.

war  posted on  2009-03-31   16:16:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2016. To: war (#2015)

Oh please

Excellent, grasshopper. You're learning some manners. I'm a good influence.

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-03-31   16:19:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2017. To: war (#2015)

Oh please...you Moonies can;t even agree on what "the government" says.

War: WQhy [sic] would any other steel need to be analyzed?
[NOTE to War: No steel, whatsoever, from the WTC7 was analyzed]

You're joking, right? You didn't just ask "why should a criminal investigation investigate the location and debris within and surrounding the area of a crime scene?"

War: Nope. You are claiming that a controlled demo;lition occurred. To use one of your fellow Moonbat's phraseology...you can't even support he "effect" of a CD which makes your argument of "cause" moot.

So, you are admitting that the investigation into the fire and collapse of a skyscraper, which could have led to the deaths of hundreds of people, began, at the outset, with the presumption that the CRIME SCENE was not, in fact, a crime scene. The authorities (police, FBI, CIA, etc.) ruled out a crime had occurred from the outset, prior to conducting any investigations, gathering evidence, and speaking to witnesses could have occurred. From the moment of the CRIME...it was deemed "accidental" in nature, and the authorities subsequently only followed policy and procedures for accidents!

Yet this was a crime of infamous proportions!

litus  posted on  2009-03-31   16:20:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2018. To: war (#2012)

Compare your footage to this footage, and then consider that WTC 7 collapsed yet this building didn't. Why is that? Do you have any handy answers explaining the vast differences between these two events?

Gold and silver are REAL money, paper is but a promise.

Elliott Jackalope  posted on  2009-03-31   16:22:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2019. To: war (#2008)

Dickhead...that was posted when you said that none of the WTC buildings were engulfed in flames...

You are a liar. You were speaking specifically about WTC 7, and I asked you about that image at least twice in regards to its identification, yet you ignored me each time.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2009-03-31   16:48:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2020. To: war (#2006)

Asked and answered.

You never offered your own words, so give me what YOU think that number is. Tell me how long you think it took each tower to fall.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2009-03-31   16:49:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2021. To: war (#2007)

read the thread. I'm done repeating myself.

So you admit that you made that number up, right? You're telling me that you can not post a link that backs up your claim that it took WTC 7 thirteen seconds to collapse, correct?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2009-03-31   16:51:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2022. To: war (#2014)

They did not collapse at free fall speed.

Now WHICH buildings are you talking about war? WTC1, WTC2, or WTC7. How long DID each building take to collapse, and give us some PROOF of what you claim.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2009-03-31   16:53:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2023. To: war (#2014)

Did I stutter?

yes

You don;t tap dance very well. You claimed thatg something "caused" those buildings to effectively collapse at free fall speed.

They did not collapse at free fall speed.

not dancing with your clumsy self, i'm trying to help you perceive simple, basic physical concepts.

never mind about collapsing structures for a moment.

if you drop a penny from you hand it will accelerate towards the earth because the earth is massive and nothing hinders the penny in the interval.

acceleration (the rate of change of velocity) due to gravity means precisely that speed will increase.

this is calculable.

there is no such thing as a set "free fall speed" (sic) (unless we're discussing orbiting bodies, as the more exact term velocity will change since it is expressed as a vector, and thus change in direction will be included in the term (not just scalar speed) (unless a vector for orbital free fall were presented in polar coordinates perhaps or as a path integral maybe, but lets keep it simple, sweety: gravity causes acceleration which by definition is increasing speed)).

back to buildings: the nice high school math teacher has shown (to any reasonable, informed person) that wtc7's collapse didn't merely approach free fall, but, in fact, balls-to-the-wall was equivalent to free fall for a significant portion of the collapse.

are you following?

postpunk  posted on  2009-03-31   17:04:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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