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Title: The thread that's changed its focus from the original title. Carry on ;)
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Published: Mar 21, 2009
Author: m e
Post Date: 2009-03-21 08:19:06 by Itistoolate
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#1995. To: war (#1979)
speed has a direct correlation to the accelerative force of gravity

way past correlation, we're talking cause and flipping effect, pal!

You cannot claim that an object fell at free fall speed while also claiming that it did not accelerate as such.

yes, i erred, hopefully not a capital offense.
whatsoever i cannot claim, that sentence above does not help to disconfuse matters.
acceleration = faster (increasing speed)

postpunk posted on 2009-03-31 15:40:27 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1996. To: war (#1991) (Edited)
none of the WTC 7 steel was analyzed by NIST. What happened to the rest of the steel from the crime scene?

That's a decptinve [sic] statment [sic] ...
WQhy [sic] would any other steel need to be analyzed?

You're joking, right? You didn't just ask "why should a criminal investigation investigate the location and debris within and surrounding the area of a crime scene?"

litus posted on 2009-03-31 15:41:25 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1997. To: postpunk (#1995)
we're talking cause and flipping effect

Neither your cause nor your effect are steeped in anything remotelyuresembling reality.

war posted on 2009-03-31 15:44:39 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1998. To: litus (#1996)
You're joking, right?

Nope.
You are claiming that a controlled demo;lition occurred. To use one of your fellow Moonbat's phraseology...you can't even support he "effect" of a CD which makes your argument of "cause" moot.

war posted on 2009-03-31 15:46:27 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1999. To: war (#1994)
Here's some pictures of the WTC 7 fires.

Here's some pictures from an overwhelming tower fire, in China this last February.

One collapsed, the other didn't. Compare, contrast, discuss.
Gold and silver are REAL money, paper is but a promise.

Elliott Jackalope posted on 2009-03-31 15:47:48 ET (6 images) Reply Trace Private Reply
#2000. To: Elliott Jackalope (#1999)
I postred a video on here that shows WTC 7 burning out of control. I also posted a photo showing smoke pouring from the entirity of the South face if WTC7...

war posted on 2009-03-31 15:50:00 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2001. To: war (#1998) (Edited)
War: WQhy [sic] would any other steel need to be analyzed?
[NOTE to War: No steel, whatsoever, from the WTC7 was analyzed]
You're joking, right? You didn't just ask "why should a criminal investigation investigate the location and debris within and surrounding the area of a crime scene?"
War: Nope. You are claiming that a controlled demo;lition occurred. To use one of your fellow Moonbat's phraseology...you can't even support he "effect" of a CD which makes your argument of "cause" moot.

So, you are admitting that the investigation into the fire and collapse of a skyscraper, which could have led to the deaths of hundreds of people, began, at the outset, with the presumption that the CRIME SCENE was not, in fact, a crime scene. The authorities (police, FBI, CIA, etc.) ruled out a crime had occurred from the outset, prior to conducting any investigations, gathering evidence, and speaking to witnesses could have occurred. From the moment of the CRIME...it was deemed "accidental" in nature, and the authorities subsequently only followed policy and procedures for accidents!
Yet this was a crime of infamous proportions!

litus posted on 2009-03-31 15:50:15 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2002. To: war, Elliott Jackalope (#2000)
I postred a video on here that shows WTC 7 burning out of control.

You're a liar. You posted a picture of Building 5 and called it Building 7. Building 5 was engulfed in flames, yet didn't collapse.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-03-31 15:54:02 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2003. To: war (#1993)
The 13 seconds, dickweed, was for WTC 7... More proof that you're functionally stupid.

How long did it take for WTC 1 and WTC 2 to collapse then? BTW, do you have a source for your claim that it took WTC7 13 seconds to collapse? From what I've seen, it takes less than half that time for it to collapse in slow motion.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-03-31 15:56:06 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2004. To: FormerLurker, litusm Elliott Jackalope, Litus, wudidiz (#2002)
War is either senile or he needs a new pair of eye glasses.

TwentyTwelve posted on 2009-03-31 15:56:31 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2005. To: Elliott Jackalope (#1999)

war posted on 2009-03-31 15:57:54 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2006. To: FormerLurker (#2003)
How long did it take for WTC 1 and WTC 2 to collapse then

Asked and answered.

war posted on 2009-03-31 15:58:22 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2007. To: FormerLurker (#2003)
BTW, do you have a source for your claim that it took WTC7 13 seconds to collapse? From what I've seen, it takes less than half that time for it to collapse in slow motion.

read the thread. I'm done repeating myself.

war posted on 2009-03-31 15:59:06 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2008. To: FormerLurker (#2002)
You're a liar. You posted a picture of Building 5 and called it Building 7. Building 5 was engulfed in flames, yet didn't collapse.

Dickhead...that was posted when you said that none of the WTC buildings were engulfed in flames...

war posted on 2009-03-31 16:00:05 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2009. To: war, FormerLurker, Elliott Jackalope, Litus, wudidiz (#2004)
Analysis of WTC's north tower collapse indicative of controlled demolition.
Analysis Of WTC Collapse -

TwentyTwelve posted on 2009-03-31 16:07:04 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2010. To: war (#2005)
I just watched that video from beginning to end. I do not see anything in that video to change my mind. Once again, while that was a good-sized fire, and it made a lot of smoke, that doesn't change the fact that the fire was hardly overwhelming, and I am simply unable to accept the idea that a fire of that size and nature was able to result in the total structural failure of a steel-framed skyscraper. Especially when there have been huge skyscraper fires before and since, and none of them have ever resulted in the total structural failure and collapse of a building.
Gold and silver are REAL money, paper is but a promise.

Elliott Jackalope posted on 2009-03-31 16:08:17 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2011. To: war (#1997)
Neither your cause nor your effect are steeped in anything remotelyuresembling reality.

what?
cause-->gravity
effect-->unsupported objects gather velocity in a calculable manner due to said gravity
your reality differs?

postpunk posted on 2009-03-31 16:10:09 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2012. To: Elliott Jackalope (#2010)
I just watched that video from beginning to end. I do not see anything in that video to change my mind. Once again, while that was a good-sized fire, and it made a lot of smoke, that doesn't change the fact that the fire was hardly overwhelming

FDNY disagrees with your assessment thus obviating your "fact" to bullshit.

war posted on 2009-03-31 16:12:11 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2013. To: Elliott Jackalope, war (#2010)
I am simply unable to accept the idea that a fire of that size and nature was able to result in the total structural failure of a steel-framed skyscraper.

The gumbint, the media and war all say it happened that way. Anyone that disagrees shall be called names and have fecal matter thrown at them.
Eff the Bankers
bluegrass posted on 2009-03-31 16:13:05 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2014. To: postpunk (#2011)
what?

Did I stutter?
cause-->gravity blah blah blah
You don;t tap dance very well. You claimed thatg something "caused" those buildings to effectively collapse at free fall speed.
They did not collapse at free fall speed.

war posted on 2009-03-31 16:15:24 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2015. To: bluegrass (#2013)
The gumbint, the media and war all say it happened that way. Anyone that disagrees shall be called names and have fecal matter thrown at them.

Oh please...you Moonies can;t even agree on what "the government" says.

war posted on 2009-03-31 16:16:40 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2016. To: war (#2015)
Oh please

Excellent, grasshopper. You're learning some manners. I'm a good influence.
Eff the Bankers
bluegrass posted on 2009-03-31 16:19:34 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2017. To: war (#2015)
Oh please...you Moonies can;t even agree on what "the government" says.

War: WQhy [sic] would any other steel need to be analyzed?
[NOTE to War: No steel, whatsoever, from the WTC7 was analyzed]
You're joking, right? You didn't just ask "why should a criminal investigation investigate the location and debris within and surrounding the area of a crime scene?"
War: Nope. You are claiming that a controlled demo;lition occurred. To use one of your fellow Moonbat's phraseology...you can't even support he "effect" of a CD which makes your argument of "cause" moot.

So, you are admitting that the investigation into the fire and collapse of a skyscraper, which could have led to the deaths of hundreds of people, began, at the outset, with the presumption that the CRIME SCENE was not, in fact, a crime scene. The authorities (police, FBI, CIA, etc.) ruled out a crime had occurred from the outset, prior to conducting any investigations, gathering evidence, and speaking to witnesses could have occurred. From the moment of the CRIME...it was deemed "accidental" in nature, and the authorities subsequently only followed policy and procedures for accidents!
Yet this was a crime of infamous proportions!

litus posted on 2009-03-31 16:20:35 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2018. To: war (#2012)
Compare your footage to this footage, and then consider that WTC 7 collapsed yet this building didn't. Why is that? Do you have any handy answers explaining the vast differences between these two events?
Gold and silver are REAL money, paper is but a promise.

Elliott Jackalope posted on 2009-03-31 16:22:47 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2019. To: war (#2008)
Dickhead...that was posted when you said that none of the WTC buildings were engulfed in flames...

You are a liar. You were speaking specifically about WTC 7, and I asked you about that image at least twice in regards to its identification, yet you ignored me each time.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-03-31 16:48:08 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2020. To: war (#2006)
Asked and answered.

You never offered your own words, so give me what YOU think that number is. Tell me how long you think it took each tower to fall.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-03-31 16:49:23 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2021. To: war (#2007)
read the thread. I'm done repeating myself.

So you admit that you made that number up, right? You're telling me that you can not post a link that backs up your claim that it took WTC 7 thirteen seconds to collapse, correct?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-03-31 16:51:16 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2022. To: war (#2014)
They did not collapse at free fall speed.

Now WHICH buildings are you talking about war? WTC1, WTC2, or WTC7. How long DID each building take to collapse, and give us some PROOF of what you claim.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-03-31 16:53:06 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2023. To: war (#2014)
Did I stutter?

yes

You don;t tap dance very well. You claimed thatg something "caused" those buildings to effectively collapse at free fall speed.

They did not collapse at free fall speed.

not dancing with your clumsy self, i'm trying to help you perceive simple, basic physical concepts.
never mind about collapsing structures for a moment.
if you drop a penny from you hand it will accelerate towards the earth because the earth is massive and nothing hinders the penny in the interval.
acceleration (the rate of change of velocity) due to gravity means precisely that speed will increase.
this is calculable.
there is no such thing as a set "free fall speed" (sic) (unless we're discussing orbiting bodies, as the more exact term velocity will change since it is expressed as a vector, and thus change in direction will be included in the term (not just scalar speed) (unless a vector for orbital free fall were presented in polar coordinates perhaps or as a path integral maybe, but lets keep it simple, sweety: gravity causes acceleration which by definition is increasing speed)).
back to buildings: the nice high school math teacher has shown (to any reasonable, informed person) that wtc7's collapse didn't merely approach free fall, but, in fact, balls-to-the-wall was equivalent to free fall for a significant portion of the collapse.
are you following?

postpunk posted on 2009-03-31 17:04:41 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2024. To: war (#2014)
They did not collapse at free fall speed.

Proof?
Links?

TwentyTwelve posted on 2009-03-31 17:28:45 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2025. To: war (#1992) (Edited)
Oh, so you think the columns became wet noodles too?
Huh?
You need to start subtitling your responses. I can't read Moronese.

Not a good response war.
You think the core columns were "pulled" inward by the same load they had on them before becasue the floor sagged some? WTH? Are you retarded? You think the core columns could be pulled by a mass that it has held up for about 30 years with no problem just because of a few fires and relatively MINOR exterior damage. You are smoking some serious shit dude.
God is always good!
RickyJ posted on 2009-03-31 17:39:51 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2026. To: Rotara (#1089)
Dumb phuck,
Please explain why WTC 7 was demolished and why they lied about it in spite of eyewitnesses and the building owner's own words ?

Oooh, ooh! The nefarious "they". Who are they, and why should I care?
Ancient history, and internet gossip, Jackass.

Sarajevo posted on 2009-03-31 19:05:47 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2027. To: Rotara (#1089)
Dumb phuck,

F*ckstick, I just wanted to mention that it's in poor taste to bring comments from one site and post them to another in the manner you do it. No discussion, no room for discourse, just slanderous comments.
You're acting like the Crevo's on ToS vs the Evo's on Darwin Central.

Sarajevo posted on 2009-03-31 19:13:51 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2028. To: Sarajevo (#2026) (Edited)
Oooh, ooh! The nefarious "they". Who are they, and why should I care?
Ancient history, and internet gossip, Jackass.

"They" are your worst nightmare. "They" will toss you aside and eat your children when they are done using you. 9/11 is no more ancient history than the alleged "Holocaust" the Jews like to talk about is. The only difference is, one is fact, the other is fiction.
God is always good!
RickyJ posted on 2009-03-31 19:15:34 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2029. To: Rotara, packrat1145 (#1089) (Edited)
Packrat1145 is the slimy little Jew that wants to kill all Palestinians. Someone needs to take care of the new "Hitker" before he tries.
God is always good!
RickyJ posted on 2009-03-31 19:20:02 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2030. To: Rotara (#1091)
49. To: packrat1145 (#34)
There's a 973 post thread over at freedumb4UM about the outage.
Correction:
There's a thread over at FreedomForum about the outage that has 973 (now 987) posts; but there are probably only about 100 posts on that thread that are actually about LP.
The rest are about Jews, who loves Jews, who hates Jews
I strongly doubt that any poster loves Jews at 4umdumdum :)
Hi , All
I've missed all the drama, being away :)
Marguerite posted on 2009-03-23 18:33:02 ET Reply Trace
You luciferian globalist world order golden calf jews can all dry up and blow away for all I care.

Marguerite is just as bad as Goldi, if not worse.
They both love the Zionists.

TwentyTwelve posted on 2009-03-31 19:34:35 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2031. To: war (#1910) (Edited)
It's a moronic parsing...the tanks are part of the plane...it's like saying a car doesn't crash but its front end does.

So the planes themselves would have caused a fire hot enough to melt steel? I'm hearing several different stories from you, boo-boo. Did the jet fuel vaporize on impact into a huge fireball, did it embed itself in office furniture waiting for its chance, or did it run down the stairs into the parking garage getting that whole reinforced structure all hot and unstable too. Hot enough to melt? I don't know. A bad risk? Never go into a building Osama bin Laden tried to destroy once and failed, eh?
The ultimate effect of shielding men from the effects of folly is to fill the world with fools. - Herbert Spencer
Dakmar posted on 2009-03-31 20:37:22 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2032. To: Sarajevo, Rotara, Mudboy Slim (#2027)
F*ckstick, I just wanted to mention that it's in poor taste to bring comments from one site and post them to another in the manner you do it. No discussion, no room for discourse, just slanderous comments.

Ever stop to think that Rotara, like myself, might be banned from that site?
Hell, I recently tried to make amends, to no avail, just ask mudboy.
The ultimate effect of shielding men from the effects of folly is to fill the world with fools. - Herbert Spencer
Dakmar posted on 2009-03-31 20:42:17 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2033. To: TwentyTwelve (#2030)
Marguerite is a hideous, lox munching beast who deserves to tossed, ass first, into occupied Gaza with a sign saying "I hate Palestinians."

Jethro Tull posted on 2009-03-31 20:44:35 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2034. To: Jethro Tull (#2033)
Marguerite is a hideous, lox munching beast who deserves to tossed, ass first, into occupied Gaza with a sign saying "I hate Palestinians."

Well said.

TwentyTwelve posted on 2009-03-31 20:47:08 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2035. To: Dakmar (#2031)
So the planes themselves would have caused a fire hot enough to melt steel?

No, it wasn't the planes themselves but the Magickal Jet Fuel™ that was used one time and one time only and just in the planes that crashed on 9/11. A 747 crashed into an apartment building in the Netherlands (Schipol I believe was the name of the town) and the apartment building didn't fall.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
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