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[None] URL Source:[None] Published:Mar 21, 2009 Author:m e Post Date:2009-03-21 08:19:06 by Itistoolate Keywords:None Views:10851 Comments:2261
I just watched that video from beginning to end. I do not see anything in that video to change my mind. Once again, while that was a good-sized fire, and it made a lot of smoke, that doesn't change the fact that the fire was hardly overwhelming
FDNY disagrees with your assessment thus obviating your "fact" to bullshit.
I am simply unable to accept the idea that a fire of that size and nature was able to result in the total structural failure of a steel-framed skyscraper.
The gumbint, the media and war all say it happened that way. Anyone that disagrees shall be called names and have fecal matter thrown at them.
Oh please...you Moonies can;t even agree on what "the government" says.
War: WQhy [sic] would any other steel need to be analyzed? [NOTE to War: No steel, whatsoever, from the WTC7 was analyzed]
You're joking, right? You didn't just ask "why should a criminal investigation investigate the location and debris within and surrounding the area of a crime scene?"
War: Nope. You are claiming that a controlled demo;lition occurred. To use one of your fellow Moonbat's phraseology...you can't even support he "effect" of a CD which makes your argument of "cause" moot.
So, you are admitting that the investigation into the fire and collapse of a skyscraper, which could have led to the deaths of hundreds of people, began, at the outset, with the presumption that the CRIME SCENE was not, in fact, a crime scene. The authorities (police, FBI, CIA, etc.) ruled out a crime had occurred from the outset, prior to conducting any investigations, gathering evidence, and speaking to witnesses could have occurred. From the moment of the CRIME...it was deemed "accidental" in nature, and the authorities subsequently only followed policy and procedures for accidents!
Dickhead...that was posted when you said that none of the WTC buildings were engulfed in flames...
You are a liar. You were speaking specifically about WTC 7, and I asked you about that image at least twice in regards to its identification, yet you ignored me each time.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
You never offered your own words, so give me what YOU think that number is. Tell me how long you think it took each tower to fall.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
So you admit that you made that number up, right? You're telling me that you can not post a link that backs up your claim that it took WTC 7 thirteen seconds to collapse, correct?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
Now WHICH buildings are you talking about war? WTC1, WTC2, or WTC7. How long DID each building take to collapse, and give us some PROOF of what you claim.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
You don;t tap dance very well. You claimed thatg something "caused" those buildings to effectively collapse at free fall speed.
They did not collapse at free fall speed.
not dancing with your clumsy self, i'm trying to help you perceive simple, basic physical concepts.
never mind about collapsing structures for a moment.
if you drop a penny from you hand it will accelerate towards the earth because the earth is massive and nothing hinders the penny in the interval.
acceleration (the rate of change of velocity) due to gravity means precisely that speed will increase.
this is calculable.
there is no such thing as a set "free fall speed" (sic) (unless we're discussing orbiting bodies, as the more exact term velocity will change since it is expressed as a vector, and thus change in direction will be included in the term (not just scalar speed) (unless a vector for orbital free fall were presented in polar coordinates perhaps or as a path integral maybe, but lets keep it simple, sweety: gravity causes acceleration which by definition is increasing speed)).
back to buildings: the nice high school math teacher has shown (to any reasonable, informed person) that wtc7's collapse didn't merely approach free fall, but, in fact, balls-to-the-wall was equivalent to free fall for a significant portion of the collapse.
Oh, so you think the columns became wet noodles too?
Huh?
You need to start subtitling your responses. I can't read Moronese.
Not a good response war.
You think the core columns were "pulled" inward by the same load they had on them before becasue the floor sagged some? WTH? Are you retarded? You think the core columns could be pulled by a mass that it has held up for about 30 years with no problem just because of a few fires and relatively MINOR exterior damage. You are smoking some serious shit dude.
F*ckstick, I just wanted to mention that it's in poor taste to bring comments from one site and post them to another in the manner you do it. No discussion, no room for discourse, just slanderous comments.
You're acting like the Crevo's on ToS vs the Evo's on Darwin Central.
Oooh, ooh! The nefarious "they". Who are they, and why should I care?
Ancient history, and internet gossip, Jackass.
"They" are your worst nightmare. "They" will toss you aside and eat your children when they are done using you. 9/11 is no more ancient history than the alleged "Holocaust" the Jews like to talk about is. The only difference is, one is fact, the other is fiction.
There's a 973 post thread over at freedumb4UM about the outage.
Correction:
There's a thread over at FreedomForum about the outage that has 973 (now 987) posts; but there are probably only about 100 posts on that thread that are actually about LP.
The rest are about Jews, who loves Jews, who hates Jews
I strongly doubt that any poster loves Jews at 4umdumdum :)
Hi , All
I've missed all the drama, being away :)
Marguerite posted on 2009-03-23 18:33:02 ET Reply Trace
You luciferian globalist world order golden calf jews can all dry up and blow away for all I care.
It's a moronic parsing...the tanks are part of the plane...it's like saying a car doesn't crash but its front end does.
So the planes themselves would have caused a fire hot enough to melt steel? I'm hearing several different stories from you, boo-boo. Did the jet fuel vaporize on impact into a huge fireball, did it embed itself in office furniture waiting for its chance, or did it run down the stairs into the parking garage getting that whole reinforced structure all hot and unstable too. Hot enough to melt? I don't know. A bad risk? Never go into a building Osama bin Laden tried to destroy once and failed, eh?
The ultimate effect of shielding men from the effects of folly is to fill the world with fools. - Herbert Spencer
F*ckstick, I just wanted to mention that it's in poor taste to bring comments from one site and post them to another in the manner you do it. No discussion, no room for discourse, just slanderous comments.
Ever stop to think that Rotara, like myself, might be banned from that site?
Hell, I recently tried to make amends, to no avail, just ask mudboy.
The ultimate effect of shielding men from the effects of folly is to fill the world with fools. - Herbert Spencer
So the planes themselves would have caused a fire hot enough to melt steel?
No, it wasn't the planes themselves but the Magickal Jet Fuel™ that was used one time and one time only and just in the planes that crashed on 9/11. A 747 crashed into an apartment building in the Netherlands (Schipol I believe was the name of the town) and the apartment building didn't fall.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Lord Acton
9/11 Building 7 Collapse - WTC7 23 Minute Warning - Salomon Brothers Building
BBC Error ! Huge smoking gun of pre-knowledge collapse of WTC7 *911blogger.com
“On September 11th 2001, BBC World reported at 4:57pm Eastern Time that the Salomon Brothers Building (more commonly known as WTC7 or World Trade Building 7) had collapsed.
This even made the 5pm EST headlines, what is bizarre is that the building did not actually collapse until 5:20pm EST.
9/11 was unusual enough, without BBC World being able to foretell the destiny of WTC 7.
What is even stranger, is that the women reporter is telling the world that the building had collapsed when you can see it in the background over her left shoulder.
Then at 5:15pm EST, just five minutes before the building did actually collapse, her live connection from New York to London mysteriously fails.
So the question is, on 9/11 how did the BBC learn that WTC7 collapsed 23 minutes before it actually did.
Building Seven was 47 storeys, modern in design with structural steel throughout, yet symmetrically collapsed in 6.5 seconds, was someone leaking information.
No steel framed skyscraper has ever collapsed due to fire, before or after 9/11, most people who find out about WTC7, believe it was brought down by a controlled demolition, even demolition experts agree.” *911Blogger.com
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Rat says: It’s here!!! The smoking gun of 9/11 that can not be disputed. BBC reporters jump the gun reporting the collapse of WTC7 until they cut the feed just 5 minutes prior to the actual demolition. People, the news is choreographed, this proves it and shows how wide spread the disinfo goes. No more denial, this is it….. they have to strike now. I can’t wait for the spin on this blunder, it will be extremely brazen. The timeline is indeed accurate given the anchor’s comments at 00:17:30 into the video where he states “it has been some 8 hours since the attack.” 9 am plus 8 equals 5 pm !!!!!
No one noticed anybody preparing the buildings for demolition.
9/11 Security Courtesy of Marvin Bush
Marvin P. Bush, the president’s younger brother, was a principal in a company called Securacom that provided security for the World Trade Center, United Airlines, and Dulles International Airport. The company, Burns noted, was backed by KuwAm, a Kuwaiti-American investment firm on whose board Marvin Burns also served. [Utne]
According to its present CEO, Barry McDaniel, the company had an ongoing contract to handle security at the World Trade Center "up to the day the buildings fell down."
Some witnesses reported other phenomena, beyond explosions, suggestive of controlled demolition.
The Appearance of Implosion: When a building close to other buildings is brought down by controlled demolition, as mentioned earlier, it typically implodes and hence comes straight down into, or at least close to, its own footprint, so that it does not fall over on surrounding structures.
As we saw above in the accounts that were previously available, both police and fire officials were quoted as saying that the towers seemed to implode. This perception was also stated in the oral history of Lieutenant James Walsh, who said: "The [north tower] didn't fall the way you would think tall buildings would fall. Pretty much it looked like it imploded on itself."35
Flashes: Another common feature of controlled demolitions is that people who are properly situated may see flashes when the explosives go off. Assistant Commissioner Stephen Gregory said: “I thought . . . before . . . No. 2 came down, that I saw low-level flashes. . . . Lieutenant Evangelista . . . asked me if I saw low-level flashes in front of the building, and I agreed with him because I . . . saw a flash flash flash . . . [at] the lower level of the building. You know like when they demolish a building, how when they blow up a building, when it falls down? That's what I thought I saw.”36
Flashes were reported in the north tower by Captain Karin Deshore, who said: “Somewhere around the middle of the World Trade Center, there was this orange and red flash coming out. Initially it was just one flash.”37
Demolition Rings: At this point, Deshore’s account moved to another standard phenomenon seen by those who watch controlled demolitions: explosion rings, in which a series of explosions runs rapidly around a building. Deshore’s next words were: “Then this flash just kept popping all the way around the building and that building had started to explode. The popping sound, and with each popping sound it was initially an orange and then a red flash came out of the building and then it would just go all around the building on both sides as far as I could see. These popping sounds and the explosions were getting bigger, going both up and down and then all around the building."38
An explosion ring (or belt) was also described by firefighter Richard Banaciski. Speaking of the south tower, he said: “[T]here was just an explosion. It seemed like on television [when] they blow up these buildings. It seemed like it was going all the way around like a belt, all these explosions.”39
A description of what appeared to be a ring of explosions was also given by Deputy Commissioner Thomas Fitzpatrick, who said: "We looked up at the [south tower] . . . . All we saw was a puff of smoke coming from about 2 thirds of the way up . . . . It looked like sparkling around one specific layer of the building. . . . My initial reaction was that this was exactly the way it looks when they show you those implosions on TV."40
The above are excerpts from some 500 Firemen and rescue responders who testified on Video ...as directed by the Fire Dept to have an official Historic record.
This was refused by the 9-11 Commission for thier offical report.
These testimonies [Now official record as NY Mayor wilted and released them] allong with Hero Rodriguez prove that 9-11 was an inside job.
Building 7's Fall on film only empasizes how maniacle the overall scheme really was.
In the end...it will be the Video tape of 9-11 that is the NWO's undoing.
All the video with-held via National Security claim. missing Video/CCD even goes back to OKC bombing as 12 different camera's have video which the Gov refuses to release.
Why couldn’t they have simply, over time, and lets face it, they had ten years, from the first attempt ten yrs prior, to organize....
After the first bombing, I am sure there was a security shake up in the whole scene at the security department of the complex....
Why is it not feasible that an entire team of men worked to rig the building over a very long period of time.... ?
Slowly, and with security taken care of in sections, sectors, its not like every security guard has access to every security zone....
It could easily have been done if the whole security team was special ops, hired over time to sit put like any terrorist cell, doing their little jobs, until the whole building complex was rigged and ready...
Hell the security team itself might have been ignorant to the big picture...
You would only have to rig the several floors below the implosion of the jets, if they were jets....
Once the top of the building began to fall, the bottom floors, perhaps just the sub basements would give way....
If you only had to load several floors to do the job, that would make it alot easier
Remember we have only seen the collapse from outside the building... We didn’t get films of the collapse from inside, or from outside at ground level, and so much of it was obfuscated by smoke....
Why is it unbelievable that the walls of the buildings couldnt have been full to the brim with little bombs ready to go by remote?
There is a lot of backspace in a big building, alleys, hallways, space between walls, space between floors, elevator shafts, utility rooms, its not really a question the more I think of it....
How could they have rigged the whole building without being detected?
Easily, that’s how....
Slowly, there’s a clue, over time... And it may not have had to be rigged on every floor.... Don’t forget, once the collapse began, the smoke concealed alot.
It could easily have been done if the whole security team was special ops, hired over time to sit put like any terrorist cell, doing their little jobs, until the whole building complex was rigged and ready...
It may not have even taken as long a time to do as even a terrorists length of patience.
Connection between 911 and Controlled Demolition Inc. - CDI
CDI was instrumental in devising a plan to recycle the WTC steel. CEO Mark Loizeaux's CDI was also hired to bury the rubble of the Murrah Building in the wake of the Oklahoma City Bombing.
Tully Construction was one of four companies awarded contracts by New York City's Department of Design and Construction to dispose of the rubble at Ground Zero, and CDI was subcontracted by Tully and was instrumental in devising a plan to recycle the steel.
The involvement of Steve Tully and Mark Loizeaux in the destruction of the evidence of the unprecedented collapses would seem to disqualify them as objective reporters of evidence.
Interestingly, CDI was also hired to bury the rubble of the Murrah Building in the wake of the Oklahoma City Bombing.
How do you make a building dance down the street? Or walk sideways? It's the kind of control that only a master of blasting and demolition like Mark Loizeaux could pull off. He's head of Controlled Demolition Incorporated, the company known to everyone with something difficult to demolish. Since his father Jack set up the company, the family has brought down or blown up 7000 structures ranging from bridges to weapons, everywhere from the US to Argentina via Iraq. Liz Else talked to him within earshot of the rest of the family at CDI's headquarters deep in the peaceful countryside north of Baltimore.
Mark Loizeaux took a degree in business administration at the University of Tennessee, where he also studied architectural engineering. Apart from never having "done anything constructive in our entire history", the Loizeaux family set many world records, including imploding the largest single building (the J.L. Hudson department store in Detroit, 134 metres tall and 200,000 square metres). Other major blasts starred in movies such as Mars Attacks!, Lethal Weapon 3, Enemy of the State
