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Published: Mar 21, 2009
Author: m e
Post Date: 2009-03-21 08:19:06 by Itistoolate
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Officer Jack McLamb's shows:
arc.gcnlive.com/Archives2009/mar09/McLamb/030209.mp3
arc.gcnlive.com/Archives2009/mar09/McLamb/030309.mp3
arc.gcnlive.com/Archives2009/mar09/McLamb/030409.mp3
arc.gcnlive.com/Archives2009/mar09/McLamb/030509.mp3
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#2025. To: war (#1992) (Edited)
Oh, so you think the columns became wet noodles too?
Huh?
You need to start subtitling your responses. I can't read Moronese.

Not a good response war.
You think the core columns were "pulled" inward by the same load they had on them before becasue the floor sagged some? WTH? Are you retarded? You think the core columns could be pulled by a mass that it has held up for about 30 years with no problem just because of a few fires and relatively MINOR exterior damage. You are smoking some serious shit dude.
God is always good!
RickyJ posted on 2009-03-31 17:39:51 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2026. To: Rotara (#1089)
Dumb phuck,
Please explain why WTC 7 was demolished and why they lied about it in spite of eyewitnesses and the building owner's own words ?

Oooh, ooh! The nefarious "they". Who are they, and why should I care?
Ancient history, and internet gossip, Jackass.

Sarajevo posted on 2009-03-31 19:05:47 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2027. To: Rotara (#1089)
Dumb phuck,

F*ckstick, I just wanted to mention that it's in poor taste to bring comments from one site and post them to another in the manner you do it. No discussion, no room for discourse, just slanderous comments.
You're acting like the Crevo's on ToS vs the Evo's on Darwin Central.

Sarajevo posted on 2009-03-31 19:13:51 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2028. To: Sarajevo (#2026) (Edited)
Oooh, ooh! The nefarious "they". Who are they, and why should I care?
Ancient history, and internet gossip, Jackass.

"They" are your worst nightmare. "They" will toss you aside and eat your children when they are done using you. 9/11 is no more ancient history than the alleged "Holocaust" the Jews like to talk about is. The only difference is, one is fact, the other is fiction.
God is always good!
RickyJ posted on 2009-03-31 19:15:34 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2029. To: Rotara, packrat1145 (#1089) (Edited)
Packrat1145 is the slimy little Jew that wants to kill all Palestinians. Someone needs to take care of the new "Hitker" before he tries.
God is always good!
RickyJ posted on 2009-03-31 19:20:02 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2030. To: Rotara (#1091)
49. To: packrat1145 (#34)
There's a 973 post thread over at freedumb4UM about the outage.
Correction:
There's a thread over at FreedomForum about the outage that has 973 (now 987) posts; but there are probably only about 100 posts on that thread that are actually about LP.
The rest are about Jews, who loves Jews, who hates Jews
I strongly doubt that any poster loves Jews at 4umdumdum :)
Hi , All
I've missed all the drama, being away :)
Marguerite posted on 2009-03-23 18:33:02 ET Reply Trace
You luciferian globalist world order golden calf jews can all dry up and blow away for all I care.

Marguerite is just as bad as Goldi, if not worse.
They both love the Zionists.

TwentyTwelve posted on 2009-03-31 19:34:35 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2031. To: war (#1910) (Edited)
It's a moronic parsing...the tanks are part of the plane...it's like saying a car doesn't crash but its front end does.

So the planes themselves would have caused a fire hot enough to melt steel? I'm hearing several different stories from you, boo-boo. Did the jet fuel vaporize on impact into a huge fireball, did it embed itself in office furniture waiting for its chance, or did it run down the stairs into the parking garage getting that whole reinforced structure all hot and unstable too. Hot enough to melt? I don't know. A bad risk? Never go into a building Osama bin Laden tried to destroy once and failed, eh?
The ultimate effect of shielding men from the effects of folly is to fill the world with fools. - Herbert Spencer
Dakmar posted on 2009-03-31 20:37:22 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2032. To: Sarajevo, Rotara, Mudboy Slim (#2027)
F*ckstick, I just wanted to mention that it's in poor taste to bring comments from one site and post them to another in the manner you do it. No discussion, no room for discourse, just slanderous comments.

Ever stop to think that Rotara, like myself, might be banned from that site?
Hell, I recently tried to make amends, to no avail, just ask mudboy.
The ultimate effect of shielding men from the effects of folly is to fill the world with fools. - Herbert Spencer
Dakmar posted on 2009-03-31 20:42:17 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2033. To: TwentyTwelve (#2030)
Marguerite is a hideous, lox munching beast who deserves to tossed, ass first, into occupied Gaza with a sign saying "I hate Palestinians."

Jethro Tull posted on 2009-03-31 20:44:35 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2034. To: Jethro Tull (#2033)
Marguerite is a hideous, lox munching beast who deserves to tossed, ass first, into occupied Gaza with a sign saying "I hate Palestinians."

Well said.

TwentyTwelve posted on 2009-03-31 20:47:08 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2035. To: Dakmar (#2031)
So the planes themselves would have caused a fire hot enough to melt steel?

No, it wasn't the planes themselves but the Magickal Jet Fuel™ that was used one time and one time only and just in the planes that crashed on 9/11. A 747 crashed into an apartment building in the Netherlands (Schipol I believe was the name of the town) and the apartment building didn't fall.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
James Deffenbach posted on 2009-03-31 20:47:38 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2036. To: RickyJ, Happy2Bme, Fred Mertz (#2029)
Packrat1145 is the slimy little Jew that wants to kill all Palestinians.

"Aaron" gets my vote for Droopy Eyed Zionist Fucktard award this time around:
30. To: Fred Mertz (#28)

Thank g*d there is an ADL. Pigs need to be kept caged.

Aaron posted on 2009-03-30 12:40:45 ET Reply Trace

The ultimate effect of shielding men from the effects of folly is to fill the world with fools. - Herbert Spencer
Dakmar posted on 2009-03-31 20:48:52 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2037. To: James Deffenbach (#2035)
Magickal Jet Fuel™

You can even eat the dishes?
The ultimate effect of shielding men from the effects of folly is to fill the world with fools. - Herbert Spencer
Dakmar posted on 2009-03-31 20:52:18 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2038. To: Dakmar (#2037)
You can even eat the dishes?

Huh?
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
James Deffenbach posted on 2009-03-31 20:57:21 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2039. To: James Deffenbach (#2038)
Who can take tomorrow
Dip it in a deam
Seperate the sorrow
And collect up all the cream?

Not me, brother!
The ultimate effect of shielding men from the effects of folly is to fill the world with fools. - Herbert Spencer
Dakmar posted on 2009-03-31 21:02:36 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2040. To: TwentyTwelve (#2009)
demolition squibs clearly seen in video

bump!

litus posted on 2009-03-31 21:05:50 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2041. To: war, Litus (#2014)
http://rattube.com/blog1/2007/02/26/the-smoking-gun-wtc7-bbc-jumps-the-gun/t rackback/
February 26, 2007
THE SMOKING GUN WTC7, BBC JUMPS THE GUN !!!
9/11 Building 7 Collapse - WTC7 23 Minute Warning - Salomon Brothers Building
BBC Error ! Huge smoking gun of pre-knowledge collapse of WTC7 *911blogger.com
“On September 11th 2001, BBC World reported at 4:57pm Eastern Time that the Salomon Brothers Building (more commonly known as WTC7 or World Trade Building 7) had collapsed.
This even made the 5pm EST headlines, what is bizarre is that the building did not actually collapse until 5:20pm EST.
9/11 was unusual enough, without BBC World being able to foretell the destiny of WTC 7.
What is even stranger, is that the women reporter is telling the world that the building had collapsed when you can see it in the background over her left shoulder.
Then at 5:15pm EST, just five minutes before the building did actually collapse, her live connection from New York to London mysteriously fails.
So the question is, on 9/11 how did the BBC learn that WTC7 collapsed 23 minutes before it actually did.
Building Seven was 47 storeys, modern in design with structural steel throughout, yet symmetrically collapsed in 6.5 seconds, was someone leaking information.
No steel framed skyscraper has ever collapsed due to fire, before or after 9/11, most people who find out about WTC7, believe it was brought down by a controlled demolition, even demolition experts agree.” *911Blogger.com
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Rat says: It’s here!!! The smoking gun of 9/11 that can not be disputed. BBC reporters jump the gun reporting the collapse of WTC7 until they cut the feed just 5 minutes prior to the actual demolition. People, the news is choreographed, this proves it and shows how wide spread the disinfo goes. No more denial, this is it….. they have to strike now. I can’t wait for the spin on this blunder, it will be extremely brazen. The timeline is indeed accurate given the anchor’s comments at 00:17:30 into the video where he states “it has been some 8 hours since the attack.” 9 am plus 8 equals 5 pm !!!!!
Google has pulled the video completely from their site. I have access to a crude copy and will work diligently to get it back on. CRUDE VIDEO

TwentyTwelve posted on 2009-03-31 21:06:52 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2042. To: TwentyTwelve (#2041)
bump!

litus posted on 2009-03-31 21:11:04 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2043. To: litus, war (#2042)
No one noticed anybody preparing the buildings for demolition.
9/11 Security Courtesy of Marvin Bush
Marvin P. Bush, the president’s younger brother, was a principal in a company called Securacom that provided security for the World Trade Center, United Airlines, and Dulles International Airport. The company, Burns noted, was backed by KuwAm, a Kuwaiti-American investment firm on whose board Marvin Burns also served. [Utne]
According to its present CEO, Barry McDaniel, the company had an ongoing contract to handle security at the World Trade Center "up to the day the buildings fell down."

TwentyTwelve posted on 2009-03-31 21:12:46 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2044. To: litus (#2042)
Other Indications of Controlled Demolition
Some witnesses reported other phenomena, beyond explosions, suggestive of controlled demolition.
The Appearance of Implosion: When a building close to other buildings is brought down by controlled demolition, as mentioned earlier, it typically implodes and hence comes straight down into, or at least close to, its own footprint, so that it does not fall over on surrounding structures.
As we saw above in the accounts that were previously available, both police and fire officials were quoted as saying that the towers seemed to implode. This perception was also stated in the oral history of Lieutenant James Walsh, who said: "The [north tower] didn't fall the way you would think tall buildings would fall. Pretty much it looked like it imploded on itself."35
Flashes: Another common feature of controlled demolitions is that people who are properly situated may see flashes when the explosives go off. Assistant Commissioner Stephen Gregory said: “I thought . . . before . . . No. 2 came down, that I saw low-level flashes. . . . Lieutenant Evangelista . . . asked me if I saw low-level flashes in front of the building, and I agreed with him because I . . . saw a flash flash flash . . . [at] the lower level of the building. You know like when they demolish a building, how when they blow up a building, when it falls down? That's what I thought I saw.”36
Flashes were reported in the north tower by Captain Karin Deshore, who said: “Somewhere around the middle of the World Trade Center, there was this orange and red flash coming out. Initially it was just one flash.”37
Demolition Rings: At this point, Deshore’s account moved to another standard phenomenon seen by those who watch controlled demolitions: explosion rings, in which a series of explosions runs rapidly around a building. Deshore’s next words were: “Then this flash just kept popping all the way around the building and that building had started to explode. The popping sound, and with each popping sound it was initially an orange and then a red flash came out of the building and then it would just go all around the building on both sides as far as I could see. These popping sounds and the explosions were getting bigger, going both up and down and then all around the building."38
An explosion ring (or belt) was also described by firefighter Richard Banaciski. Speaking of the south tower, he said: “[T]here was just an explosion. It seemed like on television [when] they blow up these buildings. It seemed like it was going all the way around like a belt, all these explosions.”39
A description of what appeared to be a ring of explosions was also given by Deputy Commissioner Thomas Fitzpatrick, who said: "We looked up at the [south tower] . . . . All we saw was a puff of smoke coming from about 2 thirds of the way up . . . . It looked like sparkling around one specific layer of the building. . . . My initial reaction was that this was exactly the way it looks when they show you those implosions on TV."40
The above are excerpts from some 500 Firemen and rescue responders who testified on Video ...as directed by the Fire Dept to have an official Historic record.
This was refused by the 9-11 Commission for thier offical report.
These testimonies [Now official record as NY Mayor wilted and released them] allong with Hero Rodriguez prove that 9-11 was an inside job.
Building 7's Fall on film only empasizes how maniacle the overall scheme really was.
In the end...it will be the Video tape of 9-11 that is the NWO's undoing.
All the video with-held via National Security claim. missing Video/CCD even goes back to OKC bombing as 12 different camera's have video which the Gov refuses to release.

TwentyTwelve posted on 2009-03-31 21:15:36 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2045. To: TwentyTwelve (#2044)

litus posted on 2009-03-31 21:19:11 ET (1 image) Reply Trace Private Reply
#2046. To: TwentyTwelve, war (#2043)
No one noticed anybody preparing the buildings for demolition.
9/11 Security Courtesy of Marvin Bush

oops!

litus posted on 2009-03-31 21:19:47 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2047. To: War (#2045)
Try to explain this!

TwentyTwelve posted on 2009-03-31 21:20:48 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2048. To: litus (#2046)
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/
Controlled Demolitions in the Towers?
Why couldn’t they have simply, over time, and lets face it, they had ten years, from the first attempt ten yrs prior, to organize....
After the first bombing, I am sure there was a security shake up in the whole scene at the security department of the complex....
Why is it not feasible that an entire team of men worked to rig the building over a very long period of time.... ?
Slowly, and with security taken care of in sections, sectors, its not like every security guard has access to every security zone....
It could easily have been done if the whole security team was special ops, hired over time to sit put like any terrorist cell, doing their little jobs, until the whole building complex was rigged and ready...
Hell the security team itself might have been ignorant to the big picture...
You would only have to rig the several floors below the implosion of the jets, if they were jets....
Once the top of the building began to fall, the bottom floors, perhaps just the sub basements would give way....
If you only had to load several floors to do the job, that would make it alot easier
Remember we have only seen the collapse from outside the building... We didn’t get films of the collapse from inside, or from outside at ground level, and so much of it was obfuscated by smoke....
Why is it unbelievable that the walls of the buildings couldnt have been full to the brim with little bombs ready to go by remote?
There is a lot of backspace in a big building, alleys, hallways, space between walls, space between floors, elevator shafts, utility rooms, its not really a question the more I think of it....
How could they have rigged the whole building without being detected?
Easily, that’s how....
Slowly, there’s a clue, over time... And it may not have had to be rigged on every floor.... Don’t forget, once the collapse began, the smoke concealed alot.

TwentyTwelve posted on 2009-03-31 21:22:40 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2049. To: TwentyTwelve, war (#2044)

litus posted on 2009-03-31 21:25:11 ET (1 image) Reply Trace Private Reply
#2050. To: TwentyTwelve (#2048)
It could easily have been done if the whole security team was special ops, hired over time to sit put like any terrorist cell, doing their little jobs, until the whole building complex was rigged and ready...

It may not have even taken as long a time to do as even a terrorists length of patience.
: )

litus posted on 2009-03-31 21:26:28 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2051. To: litus (#2049)
http://www.politicalfriendster.com/showConnection.php?id1=297&id2=4811
Connection between 911 and Controlled Demolition Inc. - CDI
CDI was instrumental in devising a plan to recycle the WTC steel. CEO Mark Loizeaux's CDI was also hired to bury the rubble of the Murrah Building in the wake of the Oklahoma City Bombing.
Tully Construction was one of four companies awarded contracts by New York City's Department of Design and Construction to dispose of the rubble at Ground Zero, and CDI was subcontracted by Tully and was instrumental in devising a plan to recycle the steel.
The involvement of Steve Tully and Mark Loizeaux in the destruction of the evidence of the unprecedented collapses would seem to disqualify them as objective reporters of evidence.
Interestingly, CDI was also hired to bury the rubble of the Murrah Building in the wake of the Oklahoma City Bombing.

TwentyTwelve posted on 2009-03-31 21:26:36 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2052. To: Litus, FormerLurker, wudidiz (#2051)
How do you make a building dance down the street? Or walk sideways? It's the kind of control that only a master of blasting and demolition like Mark Loizeaux could pull off. He's head of Controlled Demolition Incorporated, the company known to everyone with something difficult to demolish. Since his father Jack set up the company, the family has brought down or blown up 7000 structures ranging from bridges to weapons, everywhere from the US to Argentina via Iraq. Liz Else talked to him within earshot of the rest of the family at CDI's headquarters deep in the peaceful countryside north of Baltimore.
Mark Loizeaux took a degree in business administration at the University of Tennessee, where he also studied architectural engineering. Apart from never having "done anything constructive in our entire history", the Loizeaux family set many world records, including imploding the largest single building (the J.L. Hudson department store in Detroit, 134 metres tall and 200,000 square metres). Other major blasts starred in movies such as Mars Attacks!, Lethal Weapon 3, Enemy of the State

TwentyTwelve posted on 2009-03-31 21:29:10 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2053. To: All (#0)
How many of you have listened to at least on of Jack McLamb's shows?

Itistoolate posted on 2009-03-31 21:30:06 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2054. To: TwentyTwelve (#2051)
The involvement of Steve Tully and Mark Loizeaux in the destruction of the evidence of the unprecedented collapses would seem to disqualify them as objective reporters of evidence.

I'd say. Especially since, I believe, this was a major part of his business at the time.

litus posted on 2009-03-31 21:33:04 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2055. To: Itistoolate (#2053)
I have not.

litus posted on 2009-03-31 21:33:58 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2056. To: litus (#2055)
thanks, just wondering

Itistoolate posted on 2009-03-31 21:37:10 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2057. To: litus (#2054)
www.whatreallyhappened.com/wtc2_cutter.html
"As we were moving toward the building we saw the top begin to blow out in a plume of smoke and we heard the noise associated with an implosion."
WMV video download (120kB)
Evidence of Demolition Charges In WTC 2
Before proceeding with this page let me explain a little something about explosives and how people perceive them.
I work in special effects. In films, great use is made of low velocity explosives such as untamped black powder and ANFO because they are low velocity explosives. With a great whoosh and roar they belch forth with fire and smoke in a manner that has caused folks to drop their popcorn in matinees ever since sound came in.
Movies have conditioned people to expect a certain look and sound to explosions, all based on very low velocity explosives. In a stunning ironic twist, moviegoers seem to perceive the slower explosions as more powerful.
Demolition experts will tell you that high brissive or high velocity explosives actually are more powerful, as they build up a powerful shock wave.
Here's what demolition experts use in steel framed buildings, the linear shaped charge ... It generates around 3,000,000 psi pressure ... at a speed in excess of 27,000 feet per second ... There are over 1000 different types of explosive ... With the use of delays we can control ... where the debris lands ... vibration ... noise level.
WMV video download (680kB)
The job of a shaped charge is to cut steel H-beams. "The way we do this is by cutting the beam at an angle which through a series of beams cut at the same angle will tend to make the building shift over and 'walk'"
WMV video download (670kB)
If a "progressive collapse" is required the beams are cut at opposite angles:
However, except for actually collapsing a structure, such explosives are unsuitable for film. The blast is over so quickly it can be missed while the film is moving between one frame and the next. There is very little visible smoke and flash, and the "crack" of a C-4 cutter charge is downright disappointing to hear.
Thus, the average person's awareness of what an explosion is supposed to look and sound like is based on the movies and low velocity explosives only. In not knowing what high velocity explosives sound like or feel like (as the shock wave moves through the earth), many people might not understand what they heard or felt on 9/11.
With the above in mind lets take a look at the collapse of World Trade Center 2... "...and then all of a sudden it started like... it sounded like gunfire... you know, bang, bang, bang, and then all of a sudden three big explosions."
WMV video download (231kB)
"It [WTC 2] started exploding," said Ross Milanytch, 57, who works at nearby Chase Manhattan Bank. "It was about the 70th floor. And each second another floor exploded out for about eight floors, before the cloud obscured it all." [ASNE] "I saw small explosions on each floor." [Wing TV]
"It actually gave at a lower floor, not the floor where the plane hit, because we originally had thought there was like an internal detonation explosives because it went in succession, boom, boom, boom, boom, and then the tower came down." [Ed Cachia - Firefighter [Engine 53]]
One eyewitness whose office is near the World Trade Center told AFP that he was standing among a crowd of people on Church Street, about two-and-a-half blocks from the South tower, when he saw "a number of brief light sources being emitted from inside the building between floors 10 and 15." He saw about six of these brief flashes, accompanied by "a crackling sound" before the tower collapsed. Each tower had six central support columns. [American Free Press]
"We were there I don't know, maybe 10, 15 minutes and then I just remember there was just an explosion. It seemed like on television they blow up these buildings. It seemed like it was going all the way around like a belt, all these explosions." [Rich Banaciski - Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.)]
"When I looked in the direction of the Trade Center before it came down, before No. 2 came down, ..I saw low-level flashes. In my conversation with Lieutenant Evangelista, never mentioning this to him, he questioned me and asked me if I saw low-level flashes in front of the building, and I agreed with him because I thought -- at that time I didn't know what it was. I mean, it could have been as a result of the building collapsing, things exploding, but I saw a flash flash flash and then it looked like the building came down."
Q. "Was that on the lower level of the building or up where the fire was?"
A. "No, the lower level of the building. You know like when they demolish a building, how when they blow up a building, when it falls down? That's what I thought I saw. And I didn't broach the topic to him, but he asked me. He said I don't know if I'm crazy, but I just wanted to ask you because you were standing right next to me… He said did you see any flashes? I said, yes, well, I thought it was just me. He said no, I saw them, too." [Stephen Gregory - Assistant Commissioner (F.D.N.Y.)]
"Somewhere around the middle of the World Trade Center, there was this orange and red flash coming out. Initially it was just one flash. Then this flash just kept popping all the way around the building and that building had started to explode. The popping sound, and with each popping sound it was initially an orange and then a red flash came out of the building and then it would just go all around the building on both sides as far as I could see. These popping sounds and the explosions were getting bigger, going both up and down and then all around the building." [Karin Deshore - Captain (E.M.S.)]
Video showing the collapse of World Trade Center 2.
Note the "pops".
WMV video download (447kB)
"It was a frigging noise. At first I thought it was -- do you ever see professional demolition where they set the charges on certain floors and then you hear "Pop, pop, pop, pop, pop" That's exactly what -- because I thought it was that. When I heard that frigging noise, that's when I saw the building coming down." [Daniel Rivera - Paramedic (E.M.S.)]
As we are looking up at the building, what I saw was, it looked like the building was blowing out on all four sides. We actually heard the pops. Didn't realize it was the falling -- you know, you heard the pops of the building. You thought it was just blowing out. [Joseph Meola - Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.)]
The sight of the jumpers was horrible and the turning around and seeing that first tower come down was unbelievable. The sound it made. As I said I thought the terrorists planted explosives somewhere in the building. That's how loud it was, crackling explosive, a wall. That's about it. Any questions? [James Drury - Assistant Commissioner (F.D.N.Y.)]
The demolition of the Landmark Tower in Fort Worth, Texas - 3/18/2006
Different technique, same result? Note the flashes and dust.
WMV video download (507kB)
"You have two hundred and ten story office buildings. You don't find a desk. You don't find a chair. You don't find a telephone, a computer. The biggest piece of a telephone I found was half of the keypad. The building collapsed to dust."
WMV video download (907kB)
Peter Tully, president of [Tully Construction], was, notably, the only person willing to speak openly with AFP about his work at the WTC site. ... “Think of the thousands of file cabinets, computers, and telephones in those towers—I never saw one—every thing was pulverized,” Tully said. “Everything that was above grade—above the 6th and 7th floor—disintegrated . . . it was like an explosion.” Tully Construction specializes in concrete. AFP asked Tully if he had ever seen concrete pulverized as it was at the WTC. “No—never,” he said. [AFP]
See also: The 9/11 WTC Collapses: An Audio-Video Analysis
What Really Happened

TwentyTwelve posted on 2009-03-31 21:37:14 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2058. To: litus (#2054)
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/september2006/180906bushimplies.htm
Bush Tacitly Implies WTC Controlled Demolition?
Makes strange 'explosives in U.S. buildings' reference during torture speech Friday
Paul Joseph Watson/Prison Planet.com | September 18 2006
During his speech Friday in which the President argued for the gutting of the Geneva convention and the legal classification of torture, Bush made a strange comment about explosives and their placement in U.S. buildings. Was this a tacit admission of 9/11 controlled demolition?
Here's the quote in full from the White House website.
"For example, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed described the design of planned attacks of buildings inside the U.S. and how operatives were directed to carry them out."
"That is valuable information for those of us who have the responsibility to protect the American people. He told us the operatives had been instructed to ensure that the explosives went off at a high -- a point that was high enough to prevent people trapped above from escaping."
Click here for the audio.
The onset of both towers' collapse began at high points in the buildings. Is Bush implying planted incendiary devices were responsible for their destruction?
Comments on the meaning of what Bush said varied on the 911 Blogger website.
"There is no way to spin this around to say, "yeah, we knew all along that there were explosives in those buildings." But I'd sure like to see him try it! Imagine all the left gatekeepers who have openly scoffed at the "bombs brought down the towers" theory, suddenly trying to come back around to support the new government spin!"
"I think Bush is being set up to take the fall for 911," writes one, fearing Bush will be used as a higher level patsy to placate the burgeoning 9/11 truth movement.
Ben Fountain and Scott Forbes, who both worked in the twin towers, are on the record as saying that there were numerous evacuations and power-downs of the twin towers in the weeks leading up to the attack - more so than would be usually expected for a high profile building.
"How could they let this happen? They knew this building was a target. Over the past few weeks we'd been evacuated a number of times, which is unusual. I think they had an inkling something was going on," Fountain told People Magazine.
In an online interview, Forbes said that the power down which took place the weekend before the attack was "unprecedented" and required a shutdown of the top 50 floors of the south tower - the reason for the shutdown was given as "re-cabling."
"The power outage meant that many of the 'ordinary' building features were not operating, such as security locks on doors, cameras, lighting, etc."
Forbes said the sight of strange men in overalls going in and out of the building with tools was highly unusual and that the "coincidence" of it occurring days before the attack was highly suspicious. There has been some speculation within the 9/11 truth movement that the evidence for controlled demolition having been used on both the towers and building 7 is so overwhelming that the government will eventually be forced to spin a whitewash and formulate a "limited hangout" that Al-Qaeda somehow managed to rig the buildings with explosives before the attack.
In May 2002 the New York Daily News reported that Mohammed Atta was in Manhattan in the days before the attack and other outlets have also carried claims that the hijackers were in the twin towers asking directions and casing their target before September 11.
Forbes is adamant that the "men in overalls" performing "re-cabling" operations were ethnically diverse and by no means largely Arab as would have to be the case if the government went with this story.
Though Bush's quote is certainly interesting it is unlikely to represent an entree into a change of tack whereby the government admits controlled demolition but then pins the blame on its erstwhile patsies.
To concede such gargantuan ground would undo the work of several massively funded government studies as well as the 9/11 Commission and it would only undermine further the credibility of the entire official story.
The hubris and arrogance of the Bush administration ensures it does not do 'retractions' and you won't see one here. The survival of the official lie depends solely on its constant repetition and any deviation from that mould would result in catastrophe for the collaborators and conspirators who carried out 9/11.
Bush Tacitly Implies WTC Controlled Demolition? AUDIO

TwentyTwelve posted on 2009-03-31 21:46:07 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2059. To: TwentyTwelve (#2057)
"Somewhere around the middle of the World Trade Center, there was this orange and red flash coming out. Initially it was just one flash. Then this flash just kept popping all the way around the building and that building had started to explode. The popping sound, and with each popping sound it was initially an orange and then a red flash came out of the building and then it would just go all around the building on both sides as far as I could see. These popping sounds and the explosions were getting bigger, going both up and down and then all around the building." [Karin Deshore - Captain (E.M.S.)]
Video showing the collapse of World Trade Center 2.
Note the "pops".

litus posted on 2009-03-31 21:47:32 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2060. To: litus (#2050)
hey, litus, have you ever seen William Rodriquez's speech about his experiences that day? here is part 1.

christine posted on 2009-03-31 21:48:46 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2061. To: TwentyTwelve (#2058)
Here's the quote in full from the White House website.
"For example, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed described the design of planned attacks of buildings inside the U.S. and how operatives were directed to carry them out."
"That is valuable information for those of us who have the responsibility to protect the American people. He told us the operatives had been instructed to ensure that the explosives went off at a high -- a point that was high enough to prevent people trapped above from escaping."
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In an online interview, Forbes said that the power down which took place the weekend before the attack was "unprecedented" and required a shutdown of the top 50 floors of the south tower - the reason for the shutdown was given as "re-cabling."
"The power outage meant that many of the 'ordinary' building features were not operating, such as security locks on doors, cameras, lighting, etc."
Forbes said the sight of strange men in overalls going in and out of the building with tools was highly unusual and that the "coincidence" of it occurring days before the attack was highly suspicious.

litus posted on 2009-03-31 21:50:49 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2062. To: christine (#2060)
No, I haven't. Thanks for posting! I'll watch it now.

litus posted on 2009-03-31 21:52:33 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2063. To: TwentyTwelve (#2057)
The sight of the jumpers was horrible and the turning around and seeing that first tower come down was unbelievable. The sound it made. As I said I thought the terrorists planted explosives somewhere in the building. That's how loud it was, crackling explosive, a wall. That's about it. Any questions? [James Drury - Assistant Commissioner (F.D.N.Y.)]

If this is true I hope the neocon bastards and others who did this slow rot in hell.

mininggold posted on 2009-03-31 21:57:40 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2064. To: litus (#2059)
The 1975 World Trade Center Fire
The February 13, 1975 North Tower Fire has been carefully hidden from you. Here are a few reports concerning it.

The 1975 World Trade Center Fire
This 110-story steel-framed office building suffered a fire on the 11th floor on February 13, 1975. The loss was estimated at over $2000000. ...
www.whatreallyhappened.com/wtc_1975_fire.html - 9k - Cached -

TwentyTwelve posted on 2009-03-31 22:00:00 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2065. To: litus (#2062)
if you double click on the vid, it will take you to the youtube page. you'll see parts 2 and 3 linked there too. i've met, talked to, and heard Willie's story at 3 different 911 conferences. his speeches are always the highlight. he's a genuine hero.

christine posted on 2009-03-31 22:00:59 ET Reply Trace Private Reply

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