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Published: Mar 21, 2009
Author: m e
Post Date: 2009-03-21 08:19:06 by Itistoolate
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Officer Jack McLamb's shows:
arc.gcnlive.com/Archives2009/mar09/McLamb/030209.mp3
arc.gcnlive.com/Archives2009/mar09/McLamb/030309.mp3
arc.gcnlive.com/Archives2009/mar09/McLamb/030409.mp3
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#2050. To: TwentyTwelve (#2048)
It could easily have been done if the whole security team was special ops, hired over time to sit put like any terrorist cell, doing their little jobs, until the whole building complex was rigged and ready...

It may not have even taken as long a time to do as even a terrorists length of patience.
: )

litus posted on 2009-03-31 21:26:28 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2051. To: litus (#2049)
http://www.politicalfriendster.com/showConnection.php?id1=297&id2=4811
Connection between 911 and Controlled Demolition Inc. - CDI
CDI was instrumental in devising a plan to recycle the WTC steel. CEO Mark Loizeaux's CDI was also hired to bury the rubble of the Murrah Building in the wake of the Oklahoma City Bombing.
Tully Construction was one of four companies awarded contracts by New York City's Department of Design and Construction to dispose of the rubble at Ground Zero, and CDI was subcontracted by Tully and was instrumental in devising a plan to recycle the steel.
The involvement of Steve Tully and Mark Loizeaux in the destruction of the evidence of the unprecedented collapses would seem to disqualify them as objective reporters of evidence.
Interestingly, CDI was also hired to bury the rubble of the Murrah Building in the wake of the Oklahoma City Bombing.

TwentyTwelve posted on 2009-03-31 21:26:36 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2052. To: Litus, FormerLurker, wudidiz (#2051)
How do you make a building dance down the street? Or walk sideways? It's the kind of control that only a master of blasting and demolition like Mark Loizeaux could pull off. He's head of Controlled Demolition Incorporated, the company known to everyone with something difficult to demolish. Since his father Jack set up the company, the family has brought down or blown up 7000 structures ranging from bridges to weapons, everywhere from the US to Argentina via Iraq. Liz Else talked to him within earshot of the rest of the family at CDI's headquarters deep in the peaceful countryside north of Baltimore.
Mark Loizeaux took a degree in business administration at the University of Tennessee, where he also studied architectural engineering. Apart from never having "done anything constructive in our entire history", the Loizeaux family set many world records, including imploding the largest single building (the J.L. Hudson department store in Detroit, 134 metres tall and 200,000 square metres). Other major blasts starred in movies such as Mars Attacks!, Lethal Weapon 3, Enemy of the State

TwentyTwelve posted on 2009-03-31 21:29:10 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2053. To: All (#0)
How many of you have listened to at least on of Jack McLamb's shows?

Itistoolate posted on 2009-03-31 21:30:06 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2054. To: TwentyTwelve (#2051)
The involvement of Steve Tully and Mark Loizeaux in the destruction of the evidence of the unprecedented collapses would seem to disqualify them as objective reporters of evidence.

I'd say. Especially since, I believe, this was a major part of his business at the time.

litus posted on 2009-03-31 21:33:04 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2055. To: Itistoolate (#2053)
I have not.

litus posted on 2009-03-31 21:33:58 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2056. To: litus (#2055)
thanks, just wondering

Itistoolate posted on 2009-03-31 21:37:10 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2057. To: litus (#2054)
www.whatreallyhappened.com/wtc2_cutter.html
"As we were moving toward the building we saw the top begin to blow out in a plume of smoke and we heard the noise associated with an implosion."
WMV video download (120kB)
Evidence of Demolition Charges In WTC 2
Before proceeding with this page let me explain a little something about explosives and how people perceive them.
I work in special effects. In films, great use is made of low velocity explosives such as untamped black powder and ANFO because they are low velocity explosives. With a great whoosh and roar they belch forth with fire and smoke in a manner that has caused folks to drop their popcorn in matinees ever since sound came in.
Movies have conditioned people to expect a certain look and sound to explosions, all based on very low velocity explosives. In a stunning ironic twist, moviegoers seem to perceive the slower explosions as more powerful.
Demolition experts will tell you that high brissive or high velocity explosives actually are more powerful, as they build up a powerful shock wave.
Here's what demolition experts use in steel framed buildings, the linear shaped charge ... It generates around 3,000,000 psi pressure ... at a speed in excess of 27,000 feet per second ... There are over 1000 different types of explosive ... With the use of delays we can control ... where the debris lands ... vibration ... noise level.
WMV video download (680kB)
The job of a shaped charge is to cut steel H-beams. "The way we do this is by cutting the beam at an angle which through a series of beams cut at the same angle will tend to make the building shift over and 'walk'"
WMV video download (670kB)
If a "progressive collapse" is required the beams are cut at opposite angles:
However, except for actually collapsing a structure, such explosives are unsuitable for film. The blast is over so quickly it can be missed while the film is moving between one frame and the next. There is very little visible smoke and flash, and the "crack" of a C-4 cutter charge is downright disappointing to hear.
Thus, the average person's awareness of what an explosion is supposed to look and sound like is based on the movies and low velocity explosives only. In not knowing what high velocity explosives sound like or feel like (as the shock wave moves through the earth), many people might not understand what they heard or felt on 9/11.
With the above in mind lets take a look at the collapse of World Trade Center 2... "...and then all of a sudden it started like... it sounded like gunfire... you know, bang, bang, bang, and then all of a sudden three big explosions."
WMV video download (231kB)
"It [WTC 2] started exploding," said Ross Milanytch, 57, who works at nearby Chase Manhattan Bank. "It was about the 70th floor. And each second another floor exploded out for about eight floors, before the cloud obscured it all." [ASNE] "I saw small explosions on each floor." [Wing TV]
"It actually gave at a lower floor, not the floor where the plane hit, because we originally had thought there was like an internal detonation explosives because it went in succession, boom, boom, boom, boom, and then the tower came down." [Ed Cachia - Firefighter [Engine 53]]
One eyewitness whose office is near the World Trade Center told AFP that he was standing among a crowd of people on Church Street, about two-and-a-half blocks from the South tower, when he saw "a number of brief light sources being emitted from inside the building between floors 10 and 15." He saw about six of these brief flashes, accompanied by "a crackling sound" before the tower collapsed. Each tower had six central support columns. [American Free Press]
"We were there I don't know, maybe 10, 15 minutes and then I just remember there was just an explosion. It seemed like on television they blow up these buildings. It seemed like it was going all the way around like a belt, all these explosions." [Rich Banaciski - Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.)]
"When I looked in the direction of the Trade Center before it came down, before No. 2 came down, ..I saw low-level flashes. In my conversation with Lieutenant Evangelista, never mentioning this to him, he questioned me and asked me if I saw low-level flashes in front of the building, and I agreed with him because I thought -- at that time I didn't know what it was. I mean, it could have been as a result of the building collapsing, things exploding, but I saw a flash flash flash and then it looked like the building came down."
Q. "Was that on the lower level of the building or up where the fire was?"
A. "No, the lower level of the building. You know like when they demolish a building, how when they blow up a building, when it falls down? That's what I thought I saw. And I didn't broach the topic to him, but he asked me. He said I don't know if I'm crazy, but I just wanted to ask you because you were standing right next to me… He said did you see any flashes? I said, yes, well, I thought it was just me. He said no, I saw them, too." [Stephen Gregory - Assistant Commissioner (F.D.N.Y.)]
"Somewhere around the middle of the World Trade Center, there was this orange and red flash coming out. Initially it was just one flash. Then this flash just kept popping all the way around the building and that building had started to explode. The popping sound, and with each popping sound it was initially an orange and then a red flash came out of the building and then it would just go all around the building on both sides as far as I could see. These popping sounds and the explosions were getting bigger, going both up and down and then all around the building." [Karin Deshore - Captain (E.M.S.)]
Video showing the collapse of World Trade Center 2.
Note the "pops".
WMV video download (447kB)
"It was a frigging noise. At first I thought it was -- do you ever see professional demolition where they set the charges on certain floors and then you hear "Pop, pop, pop, pop, pop" That's exactly what -- because I thought it was that. When I heard that frigging noise, that's when I saw the building coming down." [Daniel Rivera - Paramedic (E.M.S.)]
As we are looking up at the building, what I saw was, it looked like the building was blowing out on all four sides. We actually heard the pops. Didn't realize it was the falling -- you know, you heard the pops of the building. You thought it was just blowing out. [Joseph Meola - Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.)]
The sight of the jumpers was horrible and the turning around and seeing that first tower come down was unbelievable. The sound it made. As I said I thought the terrorists planted explosives somewhere in the building. That's how loud it was, crackling explosive, a wall. That's about it. Any questions? [James Drury - Assistant Commissioner (F.D.N.Y.)]
The demolition of the Landmark Tower in Fort Worth, Texas - 3/18/2006
Different technique, same result? Note the flashes and dust.
WMV video download (507kB)
"You have two hundred and ten story office buildings. You don't find a desk. You don't find a chair. You don't find a telephone, a computer. The biggest piece of a telephone I found was half of the keypad. The building collapsed to dust."
WMV video download (907kB)
Peter Tully, president of [Tully Construction], was, notably, the only person willing to speak openly with AFP about his work at the WTC site. ... “Think of the thousands of file cabinets, computers, and telephones in those towers—I never saw one—every thing was pulverized,” Tully said. “Everything that was above grade—above the 6th and 7th floor—disintegrated . . . it was like an explosion.” Tully Construction specializes in concrete. AFP asked Tully if he had ever seen concrete pulverized as it was at the WTC. “No—never,” he said. [AFP]
See also: The 9/11 WTC Collapses: An Audio-Video Analysis
What Really Happened

TwentyTwelve posted on 2009-03-31 21:37:14 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2058. To: litus (#2054)
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/september2006/180906bushimplies.htm
Bush Tacitly Implies WTC Controlled Demolition?
Makes strange 'explosives in U.S. buildings' reference during torture speech Friday
Paul Joseph Watson/Prison Planet.com | September 18 2006
During his speech Friday in which the President argued for the gutting of the Geneva convention and the legal classification of torture, Bush made a strange comment about explosives and their placement in U.S. buildings. Was this a tacit admission of 9/11 controlled demolition?
Here's the quote in full from the White House website.
"For example, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed described the design of planned attacks of buildings inside the U.S. and how operatives were directed to carry them out."
"That is valuable information for those of us who have the responsibility to protect the American people. He told us the operatives had been instructed to ensure that the explosives went off at a high -- a point that was high enough to prevent people trapped above from escaping."
Click here for the audio.
The onset of both towers' collapse began at high points in the buildings. Is Bush implying planted incendiary devices were responsible for their destruction?
Comments on the meaning of what Bush said varied on the 911 Blogger website.
"There is no way to spin this around to say, "yeah, we knew all along that there were explosives in those buildings." But I'd sure like to see him try it! Imagine all the left gatekeepers who have openly scoffed at the "bombs brought down the towers" theory, suddenly trying to come back around to support the new government spin!"
"I think Bush is being set up to take the fall for 911," writes one, fearing Bush will be used as a higher level patsy to placate the burgeoning 9/11 truth movement.
Ben Fountain and Scott Forbes, who both worked in the twin towers, are on the record as saying that there were numerous evacuations and power-downs of the twin towers in the weeks leading up to the attack - more so than would be usually expected for a high profile building.
"How could they let this happen? They knew this building was a target. Over the past few weeks we'd been evacuated a number of times, which is unusual. I think they had an inkling something was going on," Fountain told People Magazine.
In an online interview, Forbes said that the power down which took place the weekend before the attack was "unprecedented" and required a shutdown of the top 50 floors of the south tower - the reason for the shutdown was given as "re-cabling."
"The power outage meant that many of the 'ordinary' building features were not operating, such as security locks on doors, cameras, lighting, etc."
Forbes said the sight of strange men in overalls going in and out of the building with tools was highly unusual and that the "coincidence" of it occurring days before the attack was highly suspicious. There has been some speculation within the 9/11 truth movement that the evidence for controlled demolition having been used on both the towers and building 7 is so overwhelming that the government will eventually be forced to spin a whitewash and formulate a "limited hangout" that Al-Qaeda somehow managed to rig the buildings with explosives before the attack.
In May 2002 the New York Daily News reported that Mohammed Atta was in Manhattan in the days before the attack and other outlets have also carried claims that the hijackers were in the twin towers asking directions and casing their target before September 11.
Forbes is adamant that the "men in overalls" performing "re-cabling" operations were ethnically diverse and by no means largely Arab as would have to be the case if the government went with this story.
Though Bush's quote is certainly interesting it is unlikely to represent an entree into a change of tack whereby the government admits controlled demolition but then pins the blame on its erstwhile patsies.
To concede such gargantuan ground would undo the work of several massively funded government studies as well as the 9/11 Commission and it would only undermine further the credibility of the entire official story.
The hubris and arrogance of the Bush administration ensures it does not do 'retractions' and you won't see one here. The survival of the official lie depends solely on its constant repetition and any deviation from that mould would result in catastrophe for the collaborators and conspirators who carried out 9/11.
Bush Tacitly Implies WTC Controlled Demolition? AUDIO

TwentyTwelve posted on 2009-03-31 21:46:07 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2059. To: TwentyTwelve (#2057)
"Somewhere around the middle of the World Trade Center, there was this orange and red flash coming out. Initially it was just one flash. Then this flash just kept popping all the way around the building and that building had started to explode. The popping sound, and with each popping sound it was initially an orange and then a red flash came out of the building and then it would just go all around the building on both sides as far as I could see. These popping sounds and the explosions were getting bigger, going both up and down and then all around the building." [Karin Deshore - Captain (E.M.S.)]
Video showing the collapse of World Trade Center 2.
Note the "pops".

litus posted on 2009-03-31 21:47:32 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2060. To: litus (#2050)
hey, litus, have you ever seen William Rodriquez's speech about his experiences that day? here is part 1.

christine posted on 2009-03-31 21:48:46 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2061. To: TwentyTwelve (#2058)
Here's the quote in full from the White House website.
"For example, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed described the design of planned attacks of buildings inside the U.S. and how operatives were directed to carry them out."
"That is valuable information for those of us who have the responsibility to protect the American people. He told us the operatives had been instructed to ensure that the explosives went off at a high -- a point that was high enough to prevent people trapped above from escaping."
...
In an online interview, Forbes said that the power down which took place the weekend before the attack was "unprecedented" and required a shutdown of the top 50 floors of the south tower - the reason for the shutdown was given as "re-cabling."
"The power outage meant that many of the 'ordinary' building features were not operating, such as security locks on doors, cameras, lighting, etc."
Forbes said the sight of strange men in overalls going in and out of the building with tools was highly unusual and that the "coincidence" of it occurring days before the attack was highly suspicious.

litus posted on 2009-03-31 21:50:49 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2062. To: christine (#2060)
No, I haven't. Thanks for posting! I'll watch it now.

litus posted on 2009-03-31 21:52:33 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2063. To: TwentyTwelve (#2057)
The sight of the jumpers was horrible and the turning around and seeing that first tower come down was unbelievable. The sound it made. As I said I thought the terrorists planted explosives somewhere in the building. That's how loud it was, crackling explosive, a wall. That's about it. Any questions? [James Drury - Assistant Commissioner (F.D.N.Y.)]

If this is true I hope the neocon bastards and others who did this slow rot in hell.

mininggold posted on 2009-03-31 21:57:40 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2064. To: litus (#2059)
The 1975 World Trade Center Fire
The February 13, 1975 North Tower Fire has been carefully hidden from you. Here are a few reports concerning it.

The 1975 World Trade Center Fire
This 110-story steel-framed office building suffered a fire on the 11th floor on February 13, 1975. The loss was estimated at over $2000000. ...
www.whatreallyhappened.com/wtc_1975_fire.html - 9k - Cached -

TwentyTwelve posted on 2009-03-31 22:00:00 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2065. To: litus (#2062)
if you double click on the vid, it will take you to the youtube page. you'll see parts 2 and 3 linked there too. i've met, talked to, and heard Willie's story at 3 different 911 conferences. his speeches are always the highlight. he's a genuine hero.

christine posted on 2009-03-31 22:00:59 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2066. To: christine (#2065)
tnx...I'll do that now. How many people did he save?

litus posted on 2009-03-31 22:03:36 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2067. To: war (#1930) (Edited)
says you. did marvin tell you it was all on the up and up?

IRTorqued posted on 2009-03-31 22:09:52 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2068. To: christine (#2065)
Quote...WHO PLANTED THE BOMBS IN THE BASEMENT?....Endquote

from website

litus posted on 2009-03-31 22:15:14 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2069. To: mininggold, war (#1937)
could ewwcon or peradventure even beachloser have signed up here as war? probably just some vulcan mind meld thingy.

IRTorqued posted on 2009-03-31 22:15:38 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2070. To: IRTorqued (#2069)
could ewwcon or peradventure even beachloser have signed up here as war? probably just some vulcan mind meld thingy.

I hope it's not Yukko.

TwentyTwelve posted on 2009-03-31 22:16:43 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2071. To: IRTorqued, war (#2069)
could ewwcon or peradventure even beachloser have signed up here as war? probably just some vulcan mind meld thingy.

Could even be playing devil's advocate, who knows? The name calling seems to be a different tactic though. But maybe Yukie's due to retire and they are having tryouts for his part in the play.

mininggold posted on 2009-03-31 22:39:09 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2072. To: IRTorqued (#2069)
could ewwcon or peradventure even beachloser have signed up here as war? probably just some vulcan mind meld thingy.

LOL!!!
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
James Deffenbach posted on 2009-03-31 22:41:02 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2073. To: TwentyTwelve (#2070)
I hope it's not Yukko.

Yukkpoo brags about being a regular "respected" participant here.

mininggold posted on 2009-03-31 22:41:35 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2074. To: war, Elliott Jackalope (#2000)
did you also post the video of the BBC bimbo claiming wtc 7 had fallen while it was in plain view behind her?

IRTorqued posted on 2009-03-31 22:41:50 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2075. To: war (#1941)
For the most part, if you aren;t a structural engineer, your opinion about the strcutural engineering is going to be fairly useless.

Are you a structural engineer? no? Well STF up then. You are useless.
Beware!
This guy may be prowling 4um:

Morehead City Concerts Summer 2009
Critter posted on 2009-03-31 22:43:29 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2076. To: IRTorqued (#2074)
did you also post the video of the BBC bimbo claiming wtc 7 had fallen while it was in plain view behind her?

She will have you to know that she is a bimbette, not a bimbo.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
James Deffenbach posted on 2009-03-31 22:45:49 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2077. To: James Deffenbach, IRTorqued (#2076) (Edited)

TwentyTwelve posted on 2009-03-31 22:52:22 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2078. To: TwentyTwelve, IRTorqued (#2077)
Oh, I was just teasin' my bud. IRTorqued and I go back a long ways.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
James Deffenbach posted on 2009-03-31 22:57:39 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2079. To: war, mininggold (#1941)
Like whom?

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TwentyTwelve posted on 2009-03-31 23:05:00 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2080. To: litus (#2059)
Video showing the collapse of World Trade Center 2.
Note the "pops".

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/may2008/300508_b_cutter.htm
Cutter Charge Sounds Heard During WTC 2 Collapse On 9/11?
9/11 Blogger Friday, May 30, 2008
As seen in the documentary "Clear The Skies", cutter charge sounds like those generated during controlled demolitions of high rise buildings are apparently heard at the onset of the collapse of World Trade Center tower 2 on September 11, 2001.

Step by Step Demolition of The Kingdome in Seattle as detailed by Controlled Demoltion, INC on their website. See also their coffee table book on "how to" for building demolitions. (Research)
Here is the VIDEO

TwentyTwelve posted on 2009-03-31 23:09:26 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2081. To: IRTorqued, James Deffenbach, TwentyTwelve, Original_Intent, mininggold, war (#2069)
could ewwcon or peradventure even beachloser have signed up here as war? probably just some vulcan mind meld thingy.

war behaved the same way over on LP when the topic of 9/11 came up. He pretty much had the same story, he was there so it couldn't have happened any differently than what the government says...
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-03-31 23:27:15 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2082. To: christine, TwentyTwelve (#2065)
Then, on the 33rd floor, they heard what sounded like heavy equipment being dragged across the level above.
This was particularly puzzling because Rodriguez knew the 34th floor was empty and had been off limits for weeks due to a construction project.

christine...after I watched, I believe it was in part 5 of the video, the above story....I recall I have heard him speak before. It may have been on t.v., or it may have been in a video I watched of him years ago...and forgot about his story, except for the above. That part of it I recall, and I have never heard anyone address this.
I presume it was just another item that the commission also overlooked?!

litus posted on 2009-03-31 23:28:12 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2083. To: TwentyTwelve (#2080)
thanks for posting that

litus posted on 2009-03-31 23:29:13 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2084. To: mininggold, TwentyTwelve (#2070)
I hope it's not Yukko.

great...I leave to go watch the videos....only to return and have to see a nightmarish name, lol!

litus posted on 2009-03-31 23:31:16 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2085. To: TwentyTwelve, war (#2080)
war's story is that the wind blew it over.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-03-31 23:35:59 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2086. To: TwentyTwelve (#2070)
easy way to find out is to ask questions about madam mukluk's continuance of the alaskan welfare state system.

IRTorqued posted on 2009-03-31 23:37:09 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2087. To: mininggold (#2073)
ewecon...respected...same sentence...HAR!

IRTorqued posted on 2009-03-31 23:39:45 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2088. To: FormerLurker, Litus, war (#2085)
war's story is that the wind blew it over.

http://www.serendipity.li/wtc5.htm
The Time the Towers Took to Fall
The time t required for an object to fall from a height h (in a vacuum) is given by the formula t = sqrt(2h/g), where g is the acceleration due to gravity. Thus an object falling from the top of one of the towers (taking h = 1306 feet and g = 32.174 ft/sec2) would take 9.01 seconds to hit the ground if we ignore the resistance of the air and a few seconds longer if we take air resistance into account. The Twin Towers each collapsed in less than fifteen seconds, close to free fall. Following the start of the collapse the upper floors would have had to shatter the steel joints in all 85 or so floors at the lower levels. If this required only one second per floor then the collapse would have required more than a minute. But the material from the upper floors ploughed through the lower floors at a speed of at least six floors per second. This is possible only if all structural support in the lower 85 or so floors had been completely eliminated prior to the initiation of the collapse. Since the lower floors were undamaged by the plane impacts and the fires, the removal of all structural support in these floors must have been due to some other cause — and the most obvious possibility is explosives. Thus the speed of the collapse (not much more than the time of free fall) is conclusive evidence that the Twin Towers were brought down in a controlled demolition involving the use of explosives (or some other destructive technology) at all levels.

TwentyTwelve posted on 2009-03-31 23:41:48 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2089. To: IRTorqued (#2087)
ewecon...respected...same sentence...HAR!

It's called "double speak".

TwentyTwelve posted on 2009-03-31 23:44:09 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2090. To: James Deffenbach (#2078)
we got stuck in Portsmouth England for six weeks during euro97, had a blast asking the limeys what they did for the fourth of July so I'll hardly have a problem calling a bimbette a bimbo.

IRTorqued posted on 2009-03-31 23:45:31 ET Reply Trace Private Reply

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The 1975 World Trade Center Fire