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Published: Mar 21, 2009
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Post Date: 2009-03-21 08:19:06 by Itistoolate
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#2058. To: litus (#2054)
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/september2006/180906bushimplies.htm
Bush Tacitly Implies WTC Controlled Demolition?
Makes strange 'explosives in U.S. buildings' reference during torture speech Friday
Paul Joseph Watson/Prison Planet.com | September 18 2006
During his speech Friday in which the President argued for the gutting of the Geneva convention and the legal classification of torture, Bush made a strange comment about explosives and their placement in U.S. buildings. Was this a tacit admission of 9/11 controlled demolition?
Here's the quote in full from the White House website.
"For example, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed described the design of planned attacks of buildings inside the U.S. and how operatives were directed to carry them out."
"That is valuable information for those of us who have the responsibility to protect the American people. He told us the operatives had been instructed to ensure that the explosives went off at a high -- a point that was high enough to prevent people trapped above from escaping."
Click here for the audio.
The onset of both towers' collapse began at high points in the buildings. Is Bush implying planted incendiary devices were responsible for their destruction?
Comments on the meaning of what Bush said varied on the 911 Blogger website.
"There is no way to spin this around to say, "yeah, we knew all along that there were explosives in those buildings." But I'd sure like to see him try it! Imagine all the left gatekeepers who have openly scoffed at the "bombs brought down the towers" theory, suddenly trying to come back around to support the new government spin!"
"I think Bush is being set up to take the fall for 911," writes one, fearing Bush will be used as a higher level patsy to placate the burgeoning 9/11 truth movement.
Ben Fountain and Scott Forbes, who both worked in the twin towers, are on the record as saying that there were numerous evacuations and power-downs of the twin towers in the weeks leading up to the attack - more so than would be usually expected for a high profile building.
"How could they let this happen? They knew this building was a target. Over the past few weeks we'd been evacuated a number of times, which is unusual. I think they had an inkling something was going on," Fountain told People Magazine.
In an online interview, Forbes said that the power down which took place the weekend before the attack was "unprecedented" and required a shutdown of the top 50 floors of the south tower - the reason for the shutdown was given as "re-cabling."
"The power outage meant that many of the 'ordinary' building features were not operating, such as security locks on doors, cameras, lighting, etc."
Forbes said the sight of strange men in overalls going in and out of the building with tools was highly unusual and that the "coincidence" of it occurring days before the attack was highly suspicious. There has been some speculation within the 9/11 truth movement that the evidence for controlled demolition having been used on both the towers and building 7 is so overwhelming that the government will eventually be forced to spin a whitewash and formulate a "limited hangout" that Al-Qaeda somehow managed to rig the buildings with explosives before the attack.
In May 2002 the New York Daily News reported that Mohammed Atta was in Manhattan in the days before the attack and other outlets have also carried claims that the hijackers were in the twin towers asking directions and casing their target before September 11.
Forbes is adamant that the "men in overalls" performing "re-cabling" operations were ethnically diverse and by no means largely Arab as would have to be the case if the government went with this story.
Though Bush's quote is certainly interesting it is unlikely to represent an entree into a change of tack whereby the government admits controlled demolition but then pins the blame on its erstwhile patsies.
To concede such gargantuan ground would undo the work of several massively funded government studies as well as the 9/11 Commission and it would only undermine further the credibility of the entire official story.
The hubris and arrogance of the Bush administration ensures it does not do 'retractions' and you won't see one here. The survival of the official lie depends solely on its constant repetition and any deviation from that mould would result in catastrophe for the collaborators and conspirators who carried out 9/11.
Bush Tacitly Implies WTC Controlled Demolition? AUDIO

TwentyTwelve posted on 2009-03-31 21:46:07 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2059. To: TwentyTwelve (#2057)
"Somewhere around the middle of the World Trade Center, there was this orange and red flash coming out. Initially it was just one flash. Then this flash just kept popping all the way around the building and that building had started to explode. The popping sound, and with each popping sound it was initially an orange and then a red flash came out of the building and then it would just go all around the building on both sides as far as I could see. These popping sounds and the explosions were getting bigger, going both up and down and then all around the building." [Karin Deshore - Captain (E.M.S.)]
Video showing the collapse of World Trade Center 2.
Note the "pops".

litus posted on 2009-03-31 21:47:32 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2060. To: litus (#2050)
hey, litus, have you ever seen William Rodriquez's speech about his experiences that day? here is part 1.

christine posted on 2009-03-31 21:48:46 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2061. To: TwentyTwelve (#2058)
Here's the quote in full from the White House website.
"For example, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed described the design of planned attacks of buildings inside the U.S. and how operatives were directed to carry them out."
"That is valuable information for those of us who have the responsibility to protect the American people. He told us the operatives had been instructed to ensure that the explosives went off at a high -- a point that was high enough to prevent people trapped above from escaping."
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In an online interview, Forbes said that the power down which took place the weekend before the attack was "unprecedented" and required a shutdown of the top 50 floors of the south tower - the reason for the shutdown was given as "re-cabling."
"The power outage meant that many of the 'ordinary' building features were not operating, such as security locks on doors, cameras, lighting, etc."
Forbes said the sight of strange men in overalls going in and out of the building with tools was highly unusual and that the "coincidence" of it occurring days before the attack was highly suspicious.

litus posted on 2009-03-31 21:50:49 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2062. To: christine (#2060)
No, I haven't. Thanks for posting! I'll watch it now.

litus posted on 2009-03-31 21:52:33 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2063. To: TwentyTwelve (#2057)
The sight of the jumpers was horrible and the turning around and seeing that first tower come down was unbelievable. The sound it made. As I said I thought the terrorists planted explosives somewhere in the building. That's how loud it was, crackling explosive, a wall. That's about it. Any questions? [James Drury - Assistant Commissioner (F.D.N.Y.)]

If this is true I hope the neocon bastards and others who did this slow rot in hell.

mininggold posted on 2009-03-31 21:57:40 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2064. To: litus (#2059)
The 1975 World Trade Center Fire
The February 13, 1975 North Tower Fire has been carefully hidden from you. Here are a few reports concerning it.

The 1975 World Trade Center Fire
This 110-story steel-framed office building suffered a fire on the 11th floor on February 13, 1975. The loss was estimated at over $2000000. ...
www.whatreallyhappened.com/wtc_1975_fire.html - 9k - Cached -

TwentyTwelve posted on 2009-03-31 22:00:00 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2065. To: litus (#2062)
if you double click on the vid, it will take you to the youtube page. you'll see parts 2 and 3 linked there too. i've met, talked to, and heard Willie's story at 3 different 911 conferences. his speeches are always the highlight. he's a genuine hero.

christine posted on 2009-03-31 22:00:59 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2066. To: christine (#2065)
tnx...I'll do that now. How many people did he save?

litus posted on 2009-03-31 22:03:36 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2067. To: war (#1930) (Edited)
says you. did marvin tell you it was all on the up and up?

IRTorqued posted on 2009-03-31 22:09:52 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2068. To: christine (#2065)
Quote...WHO PLANTED THE BOMBS IN THE BASEMENT?....Endquote

from website

litus posted on 2009-03-31 22:15:14 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2069. To: mininggold, war (#1937)
could ewwcon or peradventure even beachloser have signed up here as war? probably just some vulcan mind meld thingy.

IRTorqued posted on 2009-03-31 22:15:38 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2070. To: IRTorqued (#2069)
could ewwcon or peradventure even beachloser have signed up here as war? probably just some vulcan mind meld thingy.

I hope it's not Yukko.

TwentyTwelve posted on 2009-03-31 22:16:43 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2071. To: IRTorqued, war (#2069)
could ewwcon or peradventure even beachloser have signed up here as war? probably just some vulcan mind meld thingy.

Could even be playing devil's advocate, who knows? The name calling seems to be a different tactic though. But maybe Yukie's due to retire and they are having tryouts for his part in the play.

mininggold posted on 2009-03-31 22:39:09 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2072. To: IRTorqued (#2069)
could ewwcon or peradventure even beachloser have signed up here as war? probably just some vulcan mind meld thingy.

LOL!!!
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
James Deffenbach posted on 2009-03-31 22:41:02 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2073. To: TwentyTwelve (#2070)
I hope it's not Yukko.

Yukkpoo brags about being a regular "respected" participant here.

mininggold posted on 2009-03-31 22:41:35 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2074. To: war, Elliott Jackalope (#2000)
did you also post the video of the BBC bimbo claiming wtc 7 had fallen while it was in plain view behind her?

IRTorqued posted on 2009-03-31 22:41:50 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2075. To: war (#1941)
For the most part, if you aren;t a structural engineer, your opinion about the strcutural engineering is going to be fairly useless.

Are you a structural engineer? no? Well STF up then. You are useless.
Beware!
This guy may be prowling 4um:

Morehead City Concerts Summer 2009
Critter posted on 2009-03-31 22:43:29 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2076. To: IRTorqued (#2074)
did you also post the video of the BBC bimbo claiming wtc 7 had fallen while it was in plain view behind her?

She will have you to know that she is a bimbette, not a bimbo.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
James Deffenbach posted on 2009-03-31 22:45:49 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2077. To: James Deffenbach, IRTorqued (#2076) (Edited)

TwentyTwelve posted on 2009-03-31 22:52:22 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2078. To: TwentyTwelve, IRTorqued (#2077)
Oh, I was just teasin' my bud. IRTorqued and I go back a long ways.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
James Deffenbach posted on 2009-03-31 22:57:39 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2079. To: war, mininggold (#1941)
Like whom?

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TwentyTwelve posted on 2009-03-31 23:05:00 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2080. To: litus (#2059)
Video showing the collapse of World Trade Center 2.
Note the "pops".

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/may2008/300508_b_cutter.htm
Cutter Charge Sounds Heard During WTC 2 Collapse On 9/11?
9/11 Blogger Friday, May 30, 2008
As seen in the documentary "Clear The Skies", cutter charge sounds like those generated during controlled demolitions of high rise buildings are apparently heard at the onset of the collapse of World Trade Center tower 2 on September 11, 2001.

Step by Step Demolition of The Kingdome in Seattle as detailed by Controlled Demoltion, INC on their website. See also their coffee table book on "how to" for building demolitions. (Research)
Here is the VIDEO

TwentyTwelve posted on 2009-03-31 23:09:26 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2081. To: IRTorqued, James Deffenbach, TwentyTwelve, Original_Intent, mininggold, war (#2069)
could ewwcon or peradventure even beachloser have signed up here as war? probably just some vulcan mind meld thingy.

war behaved the same way over on LP when the topic of 9/11 came up. He pretty much had the same story, he was there so it couldn't have happened any differently than what the government says...
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-03-31 23:27:15 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2082. To: christine, TwentyTwelve (#2065)
Then, on the 33rd floor, they heard what sounded like heavy equipment being dragged across the level above.
This was particularly puzzling because Rodriguez knew the 34th floor was empty and had been off limits for weeks due to a construction project.

christine...after I watched, I believe it was in part 5 of the video, the above story....I recall I have heard him speak before. It may have been on t.v., or it may have been in a video I watched of him years ago...and forgot about his story, except for the above. That part of it I recall, and I have never heard anyone address this.
I presume it was just another item that the commission also overlooked?!

litus posted on 2009-03-31 23:28:12 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2083. To: TwentyTwelve (#2080)
thanks for posting that

litus posted on 2009-03-31 23:29:13 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2084. To: mininggold, TwentyTwelve (#2070)
I hope it's not Yukko.

great...I leave to go watch the videos....only to return and have to see a nightmarish name, lol!

litus posted on 2009-03-31 23:31:16 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2085. To: TwentyTwelve, war (#2080)
war's story is that the wind blew it over.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-03-31 23:35:59 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2086. To: TwentyTwelve (#2070)
easy way to find out is to ask questions about madam mukluk's continuance of the alaskan welfare state system.

IRTorqued posted on 2009-03-31 23:37:09 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2087. To: mininggold (#2073)
ewecon...respected...same sentence...HAR!

IRTorqued posted on 2009-03-31 23:39:45 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2088. To: FormerLurker, Litus, war (#2085)
war's story is that the wind blew it over.

http://www.serendipity.li/wtc5.htm
The Time the Towers Took to Fall
The time t required for an object to fall from a height h (in a vacuum) is given by the formula t = sqrt(2h/g), where g is the acceleration due to gravity. Thus an object falling from the top of one of the towers (taking h = 1306 feet and g = 32.174 ft/sec2) would take 9.01 seconds to hit the ground if we ignore the resistance of the air and a few seconds longer if we take air resistance into account. The Twin Towers each collapsed in less than fifteen seconds, close to free fall. Following the start of the collapse the upper floors would have had to shatter the steel joints in all 85 or so floors at the lower levels. If this required only one second per floor then the collapse would have required more than a minute. But the material from the upper floors ploughed through the lower floors at a speed of at least six floors per second. This is possible only if all structural support in the lower 85 or so floors had been completely eliminated prior to the initiation of the collapse. Since the lower floors were undamaged by the plane impacts and the fires, the removal of all structural support in these floors must have been due to some other cause — and the most obvious possibility is explosives. Thus the speed of the collapse (not much more than the time of free fall) is conclusive evidence that the Twin Towers were brought down in a controlled demolition involving the use of explosives (or some other destructive technology) at all levels.

TwentyTwelve posted on 2009-03-31 23:41:48 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2089. To: IRTorqued (#2087)
ewecon...respected...same sentence...HAR!

It's called "double speak".

TwentyTwelve posted on 2009-03-31 23:44:09 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2090. To: James Deffenbach (#2078)
we got stuck in Portsmouth England for six weeks during euro97, had a blast asking the limeys what they did for the fourth of July so I'll hardly have a problem calling a bimbette a bimbo.

IRTorqued posted on 2009-03-31 23:45:31 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2091. To: christine, TwentyTwelve (#2082)
Then, on the 33rd floor, they heard what sounded like heavy equipment being dragged across the level above.
This was particularly puzzling because Rodriguez knew the 34th floor was empty and had been off limits for weeks due to a construction project.

John O’Neill begins his new job as head of security at the WTC. O’Neill had been the special agent in charge of the FBI’s National Security Division in New York, and was the bureau’s top expert on al-Qaeda and Osama bin Laden. [New York Magazine, 12/17/2001; New Yorker, 1/14/2002] He’d left his job with the FBI just the day before (see August 22, 2001). His friend Jerome Hauer, who is the former head of New York’s Office of Emergency Management, had found him the job at the World Trade Center. Developer Larry Silverstein, who recently took over the lease of the WTC (see July 24, 2001), had been highly impressed with O’Neill but insisted he start in the post no later than the first week of September, when his firm Silverstein Properties is set to assume control of the buildings. O’Neill had agreed to this. [Weiss, 2003, pp. 336-338, 345-346 and 349-351] After hearing that O’Neill has got this job, Chris Isham, a senior producer at ABC News who is a close friend, says to him, “Well, that will be an easy job. They’re not going to bomb that place again.” O’Neill replies, “Well actually they’ve always wanted to finish that job. I think they’re going to try again.” [PBS Frontline, 5/31/2002] After a few days as the WTC security director, O’Neill will move into his new office on the 34th floor of the South Tower. [Weiss, 2003, pp. 353-354 and 366]

litus posted on 2009-03-31 23:45:54 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2092. To: FormerLurker (#2081)
what do clinton, bush and WTC have in common?

IRTorqued posted on 2009-03-31 23:47:13 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2093. To: litus (#2091)
video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4755449627173127935
Who Killed John O'Neill is a video made by Ty Rauber.
In the video, Ty Rauber ties Kroll, CIA and AIG together, speculated that Kroll is a sort of privatized CIA, running on drug money but able to do what the CIA can't because they aren't allowed. Some of this relates to the Hopsicker story.
Who Killed John O'Neill takes on many interesting questions, like: Where do the Kroll "anti terrorism experts" get their information?
The video shows how people move between these private corporations and CIA.

TwentyTwelve posted on 2009-03-31 23:49:41 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2094. To: IRTorqued (#2092)
what do clinton, bush and WTC have in common?

Hmmm. Ok, I give up...
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-03-31 23:50:02 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2095. To: TwentyTwelve, war (#2088)
The Twin Towers each collapsed in less than fifteen seconds, close to free fall..............If this required only one second per floor then the collapse would have required more than a minute. [That means more than 60 seconds]
Since the lower floors were undamaged by the plane impacts and the fires, the removal of all structural support in these floors must have been due to some other cause — and the most obvious possibility is explosives. Thus the speed of the collapse (not much more than the time of free fall) is conclusive evidence that the Twin Towers were brought down in a controlled demolition involving the use of explosives (or some other destructive technology) at all levels.

But war is quibbling over minutia of seconds....when it shouldn't have even been able to happen by less than 1 minute if all the structural support were in place.

litus posted on 2009-03-31 23:50:07 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2096. To: litus, war (#2082)
Then, on the 33rd floor, they heard what sounded like heavy equipment being dragged across the level above.
This was particularly puzzling because Rodriguez knew the 34th floor was empty and had been off limits for weeks due to a construction project.
christine...after I watched, I believe it was in part 5 of the video, the above story....I recall I have heard him speak before. It may have been on t.v., or it may have been in a video I watched of him years ago...and forgot about his story, except for the above. That part of it I recall, and I have never heard anyone address this.

war did, on this thread, says William in so many words is a liar.

IRTorqued posted on 2009-03-31 23:50:50 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2097. To: TwentyTwelve (#2089)
double speak with a twist and a half nelson.

IRTorqued posted on 2009-03-31 23:51:57 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2098. To: litus (#2091)
John O’Neill begins his new job as head of security at the WTC.

www.jesus-is-savior.com/E...neill-murdered_on_911.htm
John O'Neill - Murdered!
Former FBI Deputy Director...the Man Who Knew Too Much!
"Their feet run to evil, and they make hast to shed innocent blood: their thoughts are thoughts of iniquity; wasting and destruction are in their paths" -Isaiah 59:7
Former FBI Deputy Director John O'Neill wanted to investigate the terrorists who were planning to blow up the trade towers on 911, but he was prevented from doing so by our beloved president. George W. Bush signed presidential directive W199i, making it a crime to investigate or hinder the terrorists in any way. Presidential directive W199i prohibited the FBI and Defense Department officials from stopping the terrorists. Why Mr. Bush? Why have you done this great evil?
Disgusted and angry that the Bush administration was obstructing justice and abetting terrorists, John O'Neill resigned his career and washed his hands of the evil so pervasive within the U.S. government.
As an innocent lamb about to be slaughtered, John O'Neill was given a new career as Director of Security at the Trade Towers in New York City. Little did John O'Neill know that his first day on the job, 911, would also be the last day of his life on earth. John O'Neill was deliberately conspired against to be assassinated on 911. Innocent blood was shed on 911. God HATES those who shed INNOCENT BLOOD...

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