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Title: The thread that's changed its focus from the original title. Carry on ;)
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Published: Mar 21, 2009
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Post Date: 2009-03-21 08:19:06 by Itistoolate
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Officer Jack McLamb's shows:
arc.gcnlive.com/Archives2009/mar09/McLamb/030209.mp3
arc.gcnlive.com/Archives2009/mar09/McLamb/030309.mp3
arc.gcnlive.com/Archives2009/mar09/McLamb/030409.mp3
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#2076. To: IRTorqued (#2074)
did you also post the video of the BBC bimbo claiming wtc 7 had fallen while it was in plain view behind her?

She will have you to know that she is a bimbette, not a bimbo.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
James Deffenbach posted on 2009-03-31 22:45:49 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2077. To: James Deffenbach, IRTorqued (#2076) (Edited)

TwentyTwelve posted on 2009-03-31 22:52:22 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2078. To: TwentyTwelve, IRTorqued (#2077)
Oh, I was just teasin' my bud. IRTorqued and I go back a long ways.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
James Deffenbach posted on 2009-03-31 22:57:39 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2079. To: war, mininggold (#1941)
Like whom?

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TwentyTwelve posted on 2009-03-31 23:05:00 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2080. To: litus (#2059)
Video showing the collapse of World Trade Center 2.
Note the "pops".

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/may2008/300508_b_cutter.htm
Cutter Charge Sounds Heard During WTC 2 Collapse On 9/11?
9/11 Blogger Friday, May 30, 2008
As seen in the documentary "Clear The Skies", cutter charge sounds like those generated during controlled demolitions of high rise buildings are apparently heard at the onset of the collapse of World Trade Center tower 2 on September 11, 2001.

Step by Step Demolition of The Kingdome in Seattle as detailed by Controlled Demoltion, INC on their website. See also their coffee table book on "how to" for building demolitions. (Research)
Here is the VIDEO

TwentyTwelve posted on 2009-03-31 23:09:26 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2081. To: IRTorqued, James Deffenbach, TwentyTwelve, Original_Intent, mininggold, war (#2069)
could ewwcon or peradventure even beachloser have signed up here as war? probably just some vulcan mind meld thingy.

war behaved the same way over on LP when the topic of 9/11 came up. He pretty much had the same story, he was there so it couldn't have happened any differently than what the government says...
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-03-31 23:27:15 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2082. To: christine, TwentyTwelve (#2065)
Then, on the 33rd floor, they heard what sounded like heavy equipment being dragged across the level above.
This was particularly puzzling because Rodriguez knew the 34th floor was empty and had been off limits for weeks due to a construction project.

christine...after I watched, I believe it was in part 5 of the video, the above story....I recall I have heard him speak before. It may have been on t.v., or it may have been in a video I watched of him years ago...and forgot about his story, except for the above. That part of it I recall, and I have never heard anyone address this.
I presume it was just another item that the commission also overlooked?!

litus posted on 2009-03-31 23:28:12 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2083. To: TwentyTwelve (#2080)
thanks for posting that

litus posted on 2009-03-31 23:29:13 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2084. To: mininggold, TwentyTwelve (#2070)
I hope it's not Yukko.

great...I leave to go watch the videos....only to return and have to see a nightmarish name, lol!

litus posted on 2009-03-31 23:31:16 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2085. To: TwentyTwelve, war (#2080)
war's story is that the wind blew it over.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-03-31 23:35:59 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2086. To: TwentyTwelve (#2070)
easy way to find out is to ask questions about madam mukluk's continuance of the alaskan welfare state system.

IRTorqued posted on 2009-03-31 23:37:09 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2087. To: mininggold (#2073)
ewecon...respected...same sentence...HAR!

IRTorqued posted on 2009-03-31 23:39:45 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2088. To: FormerLurker, Litus, war (#2085)
war's story is that the wind blew it over.

http://www.serendipity.li/wtc5.htm
The Time the Towers Took to Fall
The time t required for an object to fall from a height h (in a vacuum) is given by the formula t = sqrt(2h/g), where g is the acceleration due to gravity. Thus an object falling from the top of one of the towers (taking h = 1306 feet and g = 32.174 ft/sec2) would take 9.01 seconds to hit the ground if we ignore the resistance of the air and a few seconds longer if we take air resistance into account. The Twin Towers each collapsed in less than fifteen seconds, close to free fall. Following the start of the collapse the upper floors would have had to shatter the steel joints in all 85 or so floors at the lower levels. If this required only one second per floor then the collapse would have required more than a minute. But the material from the upper floors ploughed through the lower floors at a speed of at least six floors per second. This is possible only if all structural support in the lower 85 or so floors had been completely eliminated prior to the initiation of the collapse. Since the lower floors were undamaged by the plane impacts and the fires, the removal of all structural support in these floors must have been due to some other cause — and the most obvious possibility is explosives. Thus the speed of the collapse (not much more than the time of free fall) is conclusive evidence that the Twin Towers were brought down in a controlled demolition involving the use of explosives (or some other destructive technology) at all levels.

TwentyTwelve posted on 2009-03-31 23:41:48 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2089. To: IRTorqued (#2087)
ewecon...respected...same sentence...HAR!

It's called "double speak".

TwentyTwelve posted on 2009-03-31 23:44:09 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2090. To: James Deffenbach (#2078)
we got stuck in Portsmouth England for six weeks during euro97, had a blast asking the limeys what they did for the fourth of July so I'll hardly have a problem calling a bimbette a bimbo.

IRTorqued posted on 2009-03-31 23:45:31 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2091. To: christine, TwentyTwelve (#2082)
Then, on the 33rd floor, they heard what sounded like heavy equipment being dragged across the level above.
This was particularly puzzling because Rodriguez knew the 34th floor was empty and had been off limits for weeks due to a construction project.

John O’Neill begins his new job as head of security at the WTC. O’Neill had been the special agent in charge of the FBI’s National Security Division in New York, and was the bureau’s top expert on al-Qaeda and Osama bin Laden. [New York Magazine, 12/17/2001; New Yorker, 1/14/2002] He’d left his job with the FBI just the day before (see August 22, 2001). His friend Jerome Hauer, who is the former head of New York’s Office of Emergency Management, had found him the job at the World Trade Center. Developer Larry Silverstein, who recently took over the lease of the WTC (see July 24, 2001), had been highly impressed with O’Neill but insisted he start in the post no later than the first week of September, when his firm Silverstein Properties is set to assume control of the buildings. O’Neill had agreed to this. [Weiss, 2003, pp. 336-338, 345-346 and 349-351] After hearing that O’Neill has got this job, Chris Isham, a senior producer at ABC News who is a close friend, says to him, “Well, that will be an easy job. They’re not going to bomb that place again.” O’Neill replies, “Well actually they’ve always wanted to finish that job. I think they’re going to try again.” [PBS Frontline, 5/31/2002] After a few days as the WTC security director, O’Neill will move into his new office on the 34th floor of the South Tower. [Weiss, 2003, pp. 353-354 and 366]

litus posted on 2009-03-31 23:45:54 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2092. To: FormerLurker (#2081)
what do clinton, bush and WTC have in common?

IRTorqued posted on 2009-03-31 23:47:13 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2093. To: litus (#2091)
video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4755449627173127935
Who Killed John O'Neill is a video made by Ty Rauber.
In the video, Ty Rauber ties Kroll, CIA and AIG together, speculated that Kroll is a sort of privatized CIA, running on drug money but able to do what the CIA can't because they aren't allowed. Some of this relates to the Hopsicker story.
Who Killed John O'Neill takes on many interesting questions, like: Where do the Kroll "anti terrorism experts" get their information?
The video shows how people move between these private corporations and CIA.

TwentyTwelve posted on 2009-03-31 23:49:41 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2094. To: IRTorqued (#2092)
what do clinton, bush and WTC have in common?

Hmmm. Ok, I give up...
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-03-31 23:50:02 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2095. To: TwentyTwelve, war (#2088)
The Twin Towers each collapsed in less than fifteen seconds, close to free fall..............If this required only one second per floor then the collapse would have required more than a minute. [That means more than 60 seconds]
Since the lower floors were undamaged by the plane impacts and the fires, the removal of all structural support in these floors must have been due to some other cause — and the most obvious possibility is explosives. Thus the speed of the collapse (not much more than the time of free fall) is conclusive evidence that the Twin Towers were brought down in a controlled demolition involving the use of explosives (or some other destructive technology) at all levels.

But war is quibbling over minutia of seconds....when it shouldn't have even been able to happen by less than 1 minute if all the structural support were in place.

litus posted on 2009-03-31 23:50:07 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2096. To: litus, war (#2082)
Then, on the 33rd floor, they heard what sounded like heavy equipment being dragged across the level above.
This was particularly puzzling because Rodriguez knew the 34th floor was empty and had been off limits for weeks due to a construction project.
christine...after I watched, I believe it was in part 5 of the video, the above story....I recall I have heard him speak before. It may have been on t.v., or it may have been in a video I watched of him years ago...and forgot about his story, except for the above. That part of it I recall, and I have never heard anyone address this.

war did, on this thread, says William in so many words is a liar.

IRTorqued posted on 2009-03-31 23:50:50 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2097. To: TwentyTwelve (#2089)
double speak with a twist and a half nelson.

IRTorqued posted on 2009-03-31 23:51:57 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2098. To: litus (#2091)
John O’Neill begins his new job as head of security at the WTC.

www.jesus-is-savior.com/E...neill-murdered_on_911.htm
John O'Neill - Murdered!
Former FBI Deputy Director...the Man Who Knew Too Much!
"Their feet run to evil, and they make hast to shed innocent blood: their thoughts are thoughts of iniquity; wasting and destruction are in their paths" -Isaiah 59:7
Former FBI Deputy Director John O'Neill wanted to investigate the terrorists who were planning to blow up the trade towers on 911, but he was prevented from doing so by our beloved president. George W. Bush signed presidential directive W199i, making it a crime to investigate or hinder the terrorists in any way. Presidential directive W199i prohibited the FBI and Defense Department officials from stopping the terrorists. Why Mr. Bush? Why have you done this great evil?
Disgusted and angry that the Bush administration was obstructing justice and abetting terrorists, John O'Neill resigned his career and washed his hands of the evil so pervasive within the U.S. government.
As an innocent lamb about to be slaughtered, John O'Neill was given a new career as Director of Security at the Trade Towers in New York City. Little did John O'Neill know that his first day on the job, 911, would also be the last day of his life on earth. John O'Neill was deliberately conspired against to be assassinated on 911. Innocent blood was shed on 911. God HATES those who shed INNOCENT BLOOD...

TwentyTwelve posted on 2009-03-31 23:51:59 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2099. To: FormerLurker (#2094)
enron

IRTorqued posted on 2009-03-31 23:52:18 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2100. To: TwentyTwelve (#2093)
Rodriguez knew the 34th floor was empty and had been off limits for weeks due to a construction project.
After a few days as the WTC security director, O’Neill will move into his new office on the 34th floor of the South Tower.

Who Killed John O'Neill takes on many interesting questions, like: Where do the Kroll "anti terrorism experts" get their information?

These are just more 9/11 coincidences....I'm sure!

litus posted on 2009-03-31 23:52:53 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2101. To: litus (#2091)
John O’Neill begins his new job as head of security at the WTC. O’Neill had been the special agent in charge of the FBI’s National Security Division in New York, and was the bureau’s top expert on al-Qaeda and Osama bin Laden.

64.233.167.104/search?q=c...hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=37
In Tribute to John P. O'Neill
49 years old. From: New York, N.Y.
Died in World Trade Center
NOTE: The visitor remarks and comments below are NOT NECESSARILY the feelings or beliefs of this website's webmaster or sponsors.

I first heard about you from watching a PBS Frontline piece entitled "The Man Who Knew" and I have been forever changed from that moment. I purchased the video of that program, I've googled and read just about everything there is to know about John P. O'Neill. What an amazing person you were. How lucky we were to have had you "watching-our-backs" and what a shame that you are not here now when we so desperately need your expertise - for there is no one now and probably the foreseeable future who had your ability. You knew the danger that was out there and you tried in vain to alert the powers-that-be, sadly they didn't heed your warnings and the event you had tried so hard to prevent occured on September 11, 2001, the day you lost your life along with over 2,700 Americans. I think of you every day, John O'Neil, you are missed.
*** Posted by Tracy Nadeau on 2006-08-16 ***
God Bless you John, I am proud that you tried to get the FBI to go after Osama, but ashamed they didn't listen to you.
You resigned because of your frustration, and became head of security at the World Trade Centre. Your first day on the job was the 10th of September 2001. From one Irish man to another and the world.
Your service will not be forgotten.
Dublin
Ireland
*** Posted by Shane O'Neill on 2004-09-16 ***

TwentyTwelve posted on 2009-03-31 23:53:46 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2102. To: IRTorqued, war (#2096)
war did, on this thread, says William in so many words is a liar.

But .gov hasn't?!
FOFLOL!

litus posted on 2009-03-31 23:54:46 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2103. To: litus (#2091)
John O’Neill begins his new job as head of security at the WTC. O’Neill had been the special agent in charge of the FBI’s National Security Division in New York, and was the bureau’s top expert on al-Qaeda and Osama bin Laden.

http://911.swishit.com/JohnONeil.html
Who was John Patrick O'Neill:
John Patrick O'Neill (February 6 , 1952 -September 11 , 2001 ) was a top American anti-terrorism expert who worked as a special agent for the Federal Bureau of Investigation until late 2001. In 1995 , O'Neill began to intensely study the roots of the 1993 World Trade Center bombing after he assisted in the capture of Ramzi Yousef , who was the leader of that plot. He subsequently learned of al Qaeda and Osama bin Laden , and investigated the 1996 Khobar Towers bombing in Saudi Arabia and the 2000 USS Cole bombing in Yemen . Partly due to personal friction he had within the FBI and federal government, O'Neill left to become the head of security at the World Trade Center , where he died at age 49 in the September 11, 2001 attacks .
O'Neill started his new job at the World Trade Center in August 2001. Later that month, he talked to his friend Chris Isham about the job. Jokingly, Isham said, “Well, that will be an easy job. They're not going to bomb that place again.” O'Neill replied, “Well actually they've always wanted to finish that job. I think they're going to try again.
The body of John P. O'Neill, a former assistant director of the FBI and an expert on terrorism, was recovered Friday from the rubble of the World Trade Center.
O'Neill, 50, was the chief of international terrorism operations for the FBI. He supervised on-site investigations of the bombing by terrorists of the USS Cole in Yemen, and the 1998 attacks on the U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania.

TwentyTwelve posted on 2009-03-31 23:55:52 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2104. To: TwentyTwelve (#2101)
SAD

litus posted on 2009-03-31 23:55:59 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2105. To: litus, TwentyTwelve (#2095)
There wasn't even enough mass or energy left to demolish the lower part of the structure since the upper floors pulverized into dust as they fell into the lower floors.
The equations would be quite complex, but could be generalized to show that the loss of mass in addition to the loss of energy due to the energy being spent in the pulverization process would not be anywhere close to that of an undamaged section of the structure smashing into the floors below.
Someone would need to come up with some values as to how much energy would actually be required to break an undamaged floor and cause it to drop.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-03-31 23:56:50 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2106. To: IRTorqued (#2099)
enron

Yes, but war will say that the Enron case was not affected by 9/11, and that WTC7 was not the only place Enron SEC records were stored.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-03-31 23:58:15 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2107. To: FormerLurker, TwentyTwelve (#2105)
Someone would need to come up with some values as to how much energy would actually be required to break an undamaged floor and cause it to drop.

You mean, the commission hasn't done this, or hasn't released their "formula" as to how they concocted such a story concerning the WTC's?

litus posted on 2009-03-31 23:58:55 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2108. To: war (#2000)
I postred a video on here that shows WTC 7 burning out of control. I also posted a photo showing smoke pouring from the entirity of the South face if WTC7...

Interesting choice of words.
What do you mean by 'burning out of control'?
'Smoke pouring from the entirety'?
Come on.
Do you think you're dealing with a bunch of f***ing idiots here?
"If I were going to construct a God I would furnish him with some ways and qualities and characteristics which the Present One lacks... He would spend some of His eternities in trying to forgive Himself for making man unhappy when He could have made him happy with the same effort and He would spend the rest of them in studying astronomy." ~ Mark Twain

wudidiz posted on 2009-04-01 0:01:55 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2109. To: litus (#2107)
You mean, the commission hasn't done this, or hasn't released their "formula" as to how they concocted such a story concerning the WTC's?

I've never seen anything from the commission in terms of actual formulas or calculations, no.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-04-01 0:03:39 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2110. To: wudidiz (#2108)
Do you think you're dealing with a bunch of f***ing idiots here?

LOL

TwentyTwelve posted on 2009-04-01 0:03:40 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2111. To: Elliott Jackalope, war (#2018)
Compare your footage to this footage, and then consider that WTC 7 collapsed yet this building didn't. Why is that? Do you have any handy answers explaining the vast differences between these two events?

The Chinese don't make things like they used to?
Oh, wait a minute....we just have had numerous recalls on their products.
scratch that one.
hmmmmmmmmmmmm
I can't explain why that Chinese inferno is still standing, and how the WTC7 collapsed onto its own footprint.....

litus posted on 2009-04-01 0:06:03 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2112. To: TwentyTwelve (#2093)
read the book "getting away with murder" by Richard D.l Mahoney arcade publishing 2004 ISBN 1-55970-714-3

IRTorqued posted on 2009-04-01 0:06:19 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2113. To: FormerLurker (#2109)
I've never seen anything from the commission in terms of actual formulas or calculations, no.

I would think that would be important information to release...if it's a "scientific" study that they wish to be taken as credible. Peer review, and all.

litus posted on 2009-04-01 0:07:40 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2114. To: litus, FormerLurker, (#2107)
You mean, the commission hasn't done this, or hasn't released their "formula" as to how they concocted such a story concerning the WTC's?

www.prisonplanet.com/arti...st2007/190807Building.htm
Ground Zero Building Catches Fire, Doesn't Collapse
Prison planet
Sunday Aug 19, 2007
The 40 story Deutsche Bank building next to the ground zero site in New York, where the world trade center once stood, caught fire yesterday and burned intensely for seven hours without collapsing.
This represents another modern day miracle in light of the commonly accepted premise that since 9/11, all steel buildings that suffer limited fire damage implode within two hours. This building had even suffered structural damage on 9/11 and had been partially dismantled.
The raging fire, which killed two firefighters, was finally declared under control late saturday afternoon, a full seven hours after it had begun to burn.
On 9/11 the south tower of the WTC burned for just 56 minutes before collapsing, while the north tower lasted around an hour and 45 minutes. According to the official transcripts of the firefighter tapes, fires in both towers were almost out immediately before the collapses.
The saving grace that could have prevented Deutsche Bank from imploding may have been the fact that it was not hit by a plane, as the twin towers were on 9/11.
However, the absence of a jet strike wasn't enough to prevent WTC 7 from crumbling into its own footprint within 7 seconds later that fateful afternoon.
Hundreds of buildings worldwide suffered major fires that gutted the entire facade of their structure before 9/11 and did not collapse, but since the twin towers behaved differently, rather than consider an alternative explanation for the collapse of the towers, experts simply decided to reverse the fundamental precepts of all known physics to make it easier for everyone to understand.
Since that time, it has been commonly accepted that limited fires in tall buildings are 99% certain to cause an almost instantaneous collapse.
More pictures and an AP report on the latest blaze follow.
Firefighters Die in Blaze by Ground Zero

TwentyTwelve posted on 2009-04-01 0:07:44 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2115. To: IRTorqued (#2112)
read the book "getting away with murder" by Richard D.l Mahoney arcade publishing 2004 ISBN 1-55970-714-3

Thanks. I will try and get a copy.

TwentyTwelve posted on 2009-04-01 0:08:41 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2116. To: TwentyTwelve (#2114)
Since that time, it has been commonly accepted that limited fires in tall buildings are 99% certain to cause an almost instantaneous collapse.

haaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!

litus posted on 2009-04-01 0:09:12 ET Reply Trace Private Reply

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