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John O’Neill begins his new job as head of security at the WTC. O’Neill had been the special agent in charge of the FBI’s National Security Division in New York, and was the bureau’s top expert on al-Qaeda and Osama bin Laden.
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I first heard about you from watching a PBS Frontline piece entitled "The Man Who Knew" and I have been forever changed from that moment. I purchased the video of that program, I've googled and read just about everything there is to know about John P. O'Neill. What an amazing person you were. How lucky we were to have had you "watching-our-backs" and what a shame that you are not here now when we so desperately need your expertise - for there is no one now and probably the foreseeable future who had your ability. You knew the danger that was out there and you tried in vain to alert the powers-that-be, sadly they didn't heed your warnings and the event you had tried so hard to prevent occured on September 11, 2001, the day you lost your life along with over 2,700 Americans. I think of you every day, John O'Neil, you are missed.
*** Posted by Tracy Nadeau on 2006-08-16 ***
God Bless you John, I am proud that you tried to get the FBI to go after Osama, but ashamed they didn't listen to you.
You resigned because of your frustration, and became head of security at the World Trade Centre. Your first day on the job was the 10th of September 2001. From one Irish man to another and the world.
John O’Neill begins his new job as head of security at the WTC. O’Neill had been the special agent in charge of the FBI’s National Security Division in New York, and was the bureau’s top expert on al-Qaeda and Osama bin Laden.
http://911.swishit.com/JohnONeil.html
Who was John Patrick O'Neill:
John Patrick O'Neill (February 6 , 1952 -September 11 , 2001 ) was a top American anti-terrorism expert who worked as a special agent for the Federal Bureau of Investigation until late 2001. In 1995 , O'Neill began to intensely study the roots of the 1993 World Trade Center bombing after he assisted in the capture of Ramzi Yousef , who was the leader of that plot. He subsequently learned of al Qaeda and Osama bin Laden , and investigated the 1996 Khobar Towers bombing in Saudi Arabia and the 2000 USS Cole bombing in Yemen . Partly due to personal friction he had within the FBI and federal government, O'Neill left to become the head of security at the World Trade Center , where he died at age 49 in the September 11, 2001 attacks .
O'Neill started his new job at the World Trade Center in August 2001. Later that month, he talked to his friend Chris Isham about the job. Jokingly, Isham said, “Well, that will be an easy job. They're not going to bomb that place again.” O'Neill replied, “Well actually they've always wanted to finish that job. I think they're going to try again.
The body of John P. O'Neill, a former assistant director of the FBI and an expert on terrorism, was recovered Friday from the rubble of the World Trade Center.
O'Neill, 50, was the chief of international terrorism operations for the FBI. He supervised on-site investigations of the bombing by terrorists of the USS Cole in Yemen, and the 1998 attacks on the U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania.
There wasn't even enough mass or energy left to demolish the lower part of the structure since the upper floors pulverized into dust as they fell into the lower floors.
The equations would be quite complex, but could be generalized to show that the loss of mass in addition to the loss of energy due to the energy being spent in the pulverization process would not be anywhere close to that of an undamaged section of the structure smashing into the floors below.
Someone would need to come up with some values as to how much energy would actually be required to break an undamaged floor and cause it to drop.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
Yes, but war will say that the Enron case was not affected by 9/11, and that WTC7 was not the only place Enron SEC records were stored.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
I postred a video on here that shows WTC 7 burning out of control. I also posted a photo showing smoke pouring from the entirity of the South face if WTC7...
Interesting choice of words.
What do you mean by 'burning out of control'?
'Smoke pouring from the entirety'?
Come on.
Do you think you're dealing with a bunch of f***ing idiots here?
"If I were going to construct a God I would furnish him with some ways and qualities and characteristics which the Present One lacks... He would spend some of His eternities in trying to forgive Himself for making man unhappy when He could have made him happy with the same effort and He would spend the rest of them in studying astronomy." ~ Mark Twain
You mean, the commission hasn't done this, or hasn't released their "formula" as to how they concocted such a story concerning the WTC's?
I've never seen anything from the commission in terms of actual formulas or calculations, no.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
Compare your footage to this footage, and then consider that WTC 7 collapsed yet this building didn't. Why is that? Do you have any handy answers explaining the vast differences between these two events?
The Chinese don't make things like they used to?
Oh, wait a minute....we just have had numerous recalls on their products.
scratch that one.
hmmmmmmmmmmmm
I can't explain why that Chinese inferno is still standing, and how the WTC7 collapsed onto its own footprint.....
I've never seen anything from the commission in terms of actual formulas or calculations, no.
I would think that would be important information to release...if it's a "scientific" study that they wish to be taken as credible. Peer review, and all.
Ground Zero Building Catches Fire, Doesn't Collapse
Prison planet
Sunday Aug 19, 2007
The 40 story Deutsche Bank building next to the ground zero site in New York, where the world trade center once stood, caught fire yesterday and burned intensely for seven hours without collapsing.
This represents another modern day miracle in light of the commonly accepted premise that since 9/11, all steel buildings that suffer limited fire damage implode within two hours. This building had even suffered structural damage on 9/11 and had been partially dismantled.
The raging fire, which killed two firefighters, was finally declared under control late saturday afternoon, a full seven hours after it had begun to burn.
On 9/11 the south tower of the WTC burned for just 56 minutes before collapsing, while the north tower lasted around an hour and 45 minutes. According to the official transcripts of the firefighter tapes, fires in both towers were almost out immediately before the collapses.
The saving grace that could have prevented Deutsche Bank from imploding may have been the fact that it was not hit by a plane, as the twin towers were on 9/11.
However, the absence of a jet strike wasn't enough to prevent WTC 7 from crumbling into its own footprint within 7 seconds later that fateful afternoon.
Hundreds of buildings worldwide suffered major fires that gutted the entire facade of their structure before 9/11 and did not collapse, but since the twin towers behaved differently, rather than consider an alternative explanation for the collapse of the towers, experts simply decided to reverse the fundamental precepts of all known physics to make it easier for everyone to understand.
Since that time, it has been commonly accepted that limited fires in tall buildings are 99% certain to cause an almost instantaneous collapse.
More pictures and an AP report on the latest blaze follow.
"If I were going to construct a God I would furnish him with some ways and qualities and characteristics which the Present One lacks... He would spend some of His eternities in trying to forgive Himself for making man unhappy when He could have made him happy with the same effort and He would spend the rest of them in studying astronomy." ~ Mark Twain
I found mine at a half price books store, bought it along with some gun book for my collection of gun books. the cashier only gave me a partial sideways glance.
"If I were going to construct a God I would furnish him with some ways and qualities and characteristics which the Present One lacks... He would spend some of His eternities in trying to forgive Himself for making man unhappy when He could have made him happy with the same effort and He would spend the rest of them in studying astronomy." ~ Mark Twain
I found mine at a half price books store, bought it along with some gun book for my collection of gun books. the cashier only gave me a partial sideways glance.
U.S. ECONOMY MAY BE TURNED UPSIDE DOWN AS A RESULT OF ATTACKS. ALL PRECIOUS METAL EXCHANGES DESTROYED WITH THE COMEX AT WORLD TRADE CENTER.
It is important to avoid speculation at present but one of the least understood immediate effects of these attacks will be on the U.S. economy. The COMEX, the centralized trading floor for all precious metals -- along with NY representative offices for every major foreign national bank -- was destroyed as the World trade center collapsed. So were all the records of gold pricing and sales.
"This proves the theory of ghost buildings. You aren't seeing the actual building but just the energy left over from it crossing into the fifth dimension. Just because you can see it and it isn't smoking like crazy and it doesn't seem to be under attack,, doesn't mean that it isn't. There are alot of unexplainable things happening in the world, and this is one of them. So don't be paranoid!"
"If I were going to construct a God I would furnish him with some ways and qualities and characteristics which the Present One lacks... He would spend some of His eternities in trying to forgive Himself for making man unhappy when He could have made him happy with the same effort and He would spend the rest of them in studying astronomy." ~ Mark Twain
I'll have to add that to my collection of knowledge the general public does not want to discuss as it would interfere with their belief the government does all that it does for our benefit.
I've never seen anything from the commission in terms of actual formulas or calculations, no.
I would think that would be important information to release...if it's a "scientific" study that they wish to be taken as credible. Peer review, and all.
The collapse of New York's World Trade Centre on September 11, 2001 is arguably one of the most well documented events in human history. Less well documented is the controversy over why the buildings fell as they did.
At the time of writing, 357 architectural and engineering professionals have signed a petition which directly challenges the National Institute of Standards & Training's official finding that the destruction of these massive buildings was caused solely by structural damage from the impact of jet airliners and the resulting fires.
The petition, demanding of Congress a truly independent investigation, states, in part:
"...the 9/11 investigation must include a full inquiry into the possible use of explosives that may have been the actual cause behind the destruction of the World Trade Center Towers and WTC Building 7."
This alarming statement is based on evidence from many sources, including observations of the structural behaviour of the towers as they collapsed, the known characteristics of steel framed buildings, eyewitness testimony of explosions, and research into the chemical composition of dust recovered from the collapse zone.
Current research indicates that an incendiary (thermite) may have been used to sever the massive box columns of the towers, causing the buildings to plummet to the ground at close to free-fall speed.
Chemical analysis has been conducted by a multi-disciplinary team led by Professor Steven E. Jones and the results published in the Journal of 9/11 Studies.
The membership of Architects and Engineers For 9/11 Truth is worldwide, and qualified Australians have made contributions. Dr. Frank Legge, a chemist, has co-authored a peer reviewed paper, and Dr. David Leifer of the Faculty of Architecture at the University of Sydney is a registered member of the group.
A major focus of research is the mysterious collapse of the 47 storey WTC 7 (Salomon Brothers) Building, which was not hit by any plane, yet suddenly collapsed into its own footprint late in the afternoon of September 11, 2001.
Building 7 came down in six and a half seconds, generating a massive dust-cloud similar to the one that had enveloped Manhattan when the Twin Towers collapsed earlier the same day.
Researchers contend that only explosives could have provided enough energy to cause the pulverisation of thousands of tons of concrete into dust, and they highlight the symmetrical, free-fall collapse of the building through the path of greatest resistance, indicating that the supporting columns offered no resistance to the falling mass above.
Historically, the only way a modern office building has ever been made to collapse vertically in free-fall, as observed in WTC Building 7, is through the use of shaped cutter charges detonated in a timed sequence.
This procedure is known as controlled demolition, and requires a precise placement of explosives which are designed to cut through supports successively, usually from the bottom up, pulling buildings down under their own weight.
The collapse of Building 7 is visually identical to a controlled demolition, as illustrated in a side by side comparison on Youtube. Demolition expert Danny Jowenko has gone on record confirming this observation. "A team of experts did this", he said.
The essence of why we need a new investigation into the World Trade Center collapses is summed up in a recent paper by Dr. Frank Legge:
"As no reports have come to light of any steel framed buildings collapsing due to fire, and as all steel framed buildings which had collapsed had done so due to explosive demolition, the logical way to have started the investigation of this surprising event would have been to question whether explosives had been used. This apparently did not occur.
The organisations carrying out the investigations clearly selectively collected data and contrived arguments to support the fire theory and ignored contradictory evidence. This is in defiance of the scientific method and flouts the ethical standard of behaviour which the public is entitled to receive from their paid servants."
The hypothesis of controlled demolition finds further support in many eyewitness accounts, including live TV coverage, which described massive explosions in the lower levels of the World Trade Center prior to the collapse.
William Rodriguez, an acknowledged hero of 9/11 who single-handedly rescued fifteen people from the North Tower, described a massive explosion in the basement which occurred before the first plane struck, pushing him upwards out of the seat of his chair.
The New York Fire Department's oral histories project contains 118 witness statements which are strongly consistent with explosive demolition. Incredibly, none of this shocking testimony was included or acknowledged in any official investigation, including the 9/11 Commission.
There is a groundswell of public pressure from family members of victims and ordinary people the world over, to re-open the investigation of 9/11. As seen in the groundbreaking film 9/11: Press For Truth, it was due to the pressure of a group of victim family members, known as the Jersey Girls, that the 9/11 Commission was created, and yet that same commission failed to answer the majority of questions raised by these courageous women.
Films such as Loose Change and 9/11 Mysteries have been viewed by millions on the internet, and opinion polls have consistently shown that a large proportion of the public does not accept the official narrative of 9/11. Many believe there has been a major cover-up, while others believe that September 11 was an "inside job".
As an Australian, I believe there is an urgent need for a new investigation for several reasons.
First, there is the war in Afghanistan, which has already claimed thousands of lives, and appears to have no end in sight. If the 9/11 official narrative proves to be false, then the attack on Afghanistan may be a war crime.
Second, there is the continued erosion of civil liberties in the form of anti-terror legislation, and increases in police powers of surveillance and detention, which relies largely on 9/11 as the primary justification.
Finally, there are core values of truth, decency and justice at stake, which I wish to uphold and which I ask all Australians to join me in upholding as I say to our elected leaders, with all due respect, we need a new investigation.
it's standard practice for precious metals dealers to sell that which they don't have with the hopes of but no guarantee of ever having and charging clients rent to store said metals. much of the hype with AIG is to keep peoples eyes on the bonuses and off the barbarous acts of shadyism they pulled with silver trades.
"If I were going to construct a God I would furnish him with some ways and qualities and characteristics which the Present One lacks... He would spend some of His eternities in trying to forgive Himself for making man unhappy when He could have made him happy with the same effort and He would spend the rest of them in studying astronomy." ~ Mark Twain
Maybe he thinks it was one of them big ol nasty wind shears. They are usually invisible and have been known to bring down airplanes. Maybe one became completely vertical and made a direct hit on the first building then on the other and hours later on the third. Acting like sort of like a compactor. Still doesn't explain everything being pulverized though.
we got stuck in Portsmouth England for six weeks during euro97, had a blast asking the limeys what they did for the fourth of July so I'll hardly have a problem calling a bimbette a bimbo.
I was just goin' on with you (it really didn't matter to me if you called her an establishment whore because she clearly is and just reading her script).
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Lord Acton