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Published: Mar 21, 2009
Author: m e
Post Date: 2009-03-21 08:19:06 by Itistoolate
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Officer Jack McLamb's shows:
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#2152. To: litus (#2045)
ROFLMAO...what happens when you compress air, moron?
Geezus you folks are stupid...

war posted on 2009-04-01 9:12:25 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2153. To: TwentyTwelve (#2047)
PIONG to above...

war posted on 2009-04-01 9:12:55 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2154. To: litus (#2049)
Still don;t get the fact that when air is compressed the force dynamic is horizontal?

war posted on 2009-04-01 9:14:12 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2155. To: christine (#2060)
The fire, the ball of fire, for example, I was in the basement when the first plane hit the building. And at that moment, I thought it was an electrical generator that blew up at that moment. A person comes running into the office saying 'explosion, explosion, explosion.' When I look at this guy; has all his skin pulled off of his body. Hanging from the top of his fingertips like it was a glove. And I said, what happened? He said the elevators. What happened was the ball of fire went down with such a force down the elevator shaft on the 58th (50A) – freight elevator, the biggest freight elevator that we have in the North Tower, it went out with such a force that it broke the cables. It went down, I think seven flights. The person survived because he was pulled from the B3 level. But this person, being in front of the doors waiting for the elevator, practically got his skin vaporized."

war posted on 2009-04-01 9:18:22 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2156. To: christine (#2060)
vOn 9/11, Rodriguez told CNN that shortly before the plane hit the tower he was in the basement when:
“ ...we hear like a big rumble. Not like an impact, like a rumble, like moving furniture in a massive way. And all of sudden we hear another rumble, and a guy comes running, running into our office, and all of skin was off his body. All of the skin. We went crazy, we started screaming, we told him to get out. We took everybody out of the office outside to the loading dock area.

war posted on 2009-04-01 9:21:06 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2157. To: IRTorqued (#2067)
says you. did marvin tell you it was all on the up and up?

Nope...says you and it's an outright lie.

war posted on 2009-04-01 9:23:27 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2158. To: mininggold (#2071)
You folks are out of your paranoid fucking minds ***thinking*** I am anyone other than who I am/
But it is so fucking funny anyway...

war posted on 2009-04-01 9:24:37 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2159. To: Critter (#2075)
Are you a structural engineer? no? Well STF up then. You are useless.

I'm not speaking as a structural engineer and neither are any of you Moonbats.
That said, the ACTUAL structural engineer of the building thinks you a Moonbat.
That, alone, is good enough for me.

war posted on 2009-04-01 9:25:57 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2160. To: Itistoolate (#0)
FBI Warned on Training Before 11th Fri May 3,10:15 AM ET
By JOHN SOLOMON, Associated Press Writer
WASHINGTON (AP) - Two months before the suicide hijackings, an FBI (news - web sites) agent in Arizona alerted Washington headquarters that several Middle Easterners were training at a U.S. aviation school and recommended contacting other schools nationwide where Arabs might be studying.
"FBIHQ should discuss this matter with other elements of the U.S. intelligence community and task the community for any information that supports Phoenix's suspicions," the agent recommended in the memo obtained by The Associated Press.
The FBI sent the intelligence to its terrorism experts in Washington and New York for analysis and had begun discussing conducting a nationwide canvass of flight schools when the Sept. 11 tragedies occurred, officials told AP.
At least one leader of the 19 hijackers, Hani Hanjour, received flight training in Arizona in 2001 but his name had not surfaced in the FBI intelligence from Arizona, the officials said.
None of the Middle Eastern men identified by the Arizona counterterrorism agents or any information contained in their July 2001 memo pointed to the suicide plot that leveled the World Trade Center and killed thousands in New York, Washington and Pennsylvania, officials said.
"None of the people identified by Phoenix are connected to the Sept. 11 attacks," FBI Assistant Director John Collingwood said Thursday night.
"The Phoenix communication went to appropriate operational agents and analysts but it did not lead to uncovering the impending attacks," Collingwood said.
Officials said FBI counterterrorism agents in Phoenix were suspicious why several Arab men were seeking airport operations, security information and pilot training. The agents recommended that the FBI begin alerting local offices when Middle Easterners sought visas for training at local aeronautical schools.
"FBIHQ should consider seeking the necessary authority to obtain visa information from the USDOS (State Department) on individuals obtaining visas to attend these types of schools and notify the appropriate FBI field office when these individuals are scheduled to arrive in their area of responsibility," the memo said.
The FBI's concerns about the U.S. flight schools is the latest revelation about information, much of it sketchy, that the government possessed before Sept. 11 concerning the possibility of terrorism in the skies. For example:
_AP reported last month that Filipino authorities alerted the FBI as early as 1995 that several Middle Eastern pilots were training at American flight schools and at least one had proposed hijacking a commercial jet and crashing it into federal buildings.
_A month after the 2001 memo from Arizona to FBI headquarters, FBI agents in Minnesota arrested a French citizen of Moroccan descent, Zacarias Moussaoui, after a flight school instructor became suspicious of his desire to learn to fly a commercial jet.
Moussaoui has since emerged as the single most important defendant in the post-Sept. 11 terrorism investigation, charged with conspiring with the hijackers and Osama bin Laden (news - web sites) to kill thousands of Americans. Prosecutors are seeking the death penalty.
_About the same time as the Phoenix memo and Moussaoui's arrest, U.S. intelligence issued a late summer warning that there was heightened risk of a terrorist attack on Americans, possibly even on U.S. soil, officials have said.
Law enforcement officials said in retrospect the FBI believes it should have accelerated the suggested check of U.S. flight schools after Moussaoui's arrest but does not believe it would have led to the hijackers.
FBI officials said a supervisory agent in Arizona wrote a several-page memo to FBI headquarters in July 2001 laying out information his counterterrorism team had developed in an unrelated investigation. A portion of the memo dealt with an Arizona flight school, officials said.
The memo indicated agents were suspicious about why several nonresident Arab men were seeking training at a commercial aeronautical school in Prescott, Ariz.
Collingwood said the men "were enrolled in various aspects of civil aviation engineering, airport operations and pilot training." The agents were particularly concerned that some were attempting to learn about airport security operations, officials said.
The Phoenix memo urged FBI headquarters to assemble a list of U.S. aviation academies and to instruct field offices across the country to make "appropriate liaison" with their local schools where other Middle Easterners might be training.
The information was shared with intelligence analysts who monitored terrorist threats and was even sent to the FBI office in New York that had the most experience with terrorism cases, officials said.
After the suicide attacks, the FBI quickly descended upon flight schools nationwide, identifying academies in Florida, Arizona and elsewhere where the leaders of the 19 hijackers trained.
Hanjour, believed to have piloted the jetliner that crashed into the Pentagon (news - web sites), trained at a flight academy in Phoenix between January and March 2001, the government has said in court documents.
Some witnesses have also said they believe another hijacker, Ziad Samir Jarrah, trained on an Arizona flight simulator in the months before the attacks. But the FBI has no evidence that either man was connected to the Prescott school identified in the July 2001 memo, officials said.
The FBI also investigated whether an Algerian pilot who spent time in Arizona may have helped train the hijackers before leaving the United States before the attacks.
That man, Lotfi Raissi, was later apprehended in Britain, but U.S. officials failed to persuade a court there to extradite him to the United States. Law enforcement officials say their suspicions about his connections to the hijackers have since fizzled.
An Arizona businessman who assisted U.S. intelligence said he alerted the FBI in the mid-1990s that one or more Middle Eastern pilots were training or working in his state and appeared suspicious.
Harry Ellen said he told an FBI agent in Phoenix in late 1996 or early 1997 that he met an Algerian pilot and several Middle Eastern men at an Arizona mosque. Ellen assisted U.S. intelligence during the 1990s but later had a falling out over his business and personal dealings in Asia and the Middle East.
"I brought this to the attention of an agent in the local FBI whom I knew," Ellen said. "They did not seem particularly interested in the presence of these people. I stressed it was very odd that the Algerian man was involved in aviation."
"One of the other men I believe was probably Mr. Raissi, although he would have been thinner and younger at the time," Ellen said.
Law enforcement officials said that while Ellen helped the FBI, agents in Arizona have no record or recollection of him providing information about pilots.
www.cbsnews.com/stories/2...5/attack/main509113.shtml
www.patriotsaints.com/New...bi_warned_on_training.htm
makethemaccountable.com/whatwhen/Q07_WhatElse.htm

bush_is_a_moonie posted on 2009-04-01 9:53:48 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2161. To: All (#2160)
Interesting view of collapse of Building 7

bush_is_a_moonie posted on 2009-04-01 9:55:18 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2162. To: Elliott Jackalope (#2010)
the total structural failure of a steel-framed skyscraper.

WTC was not steel framed...it was hollow tube/inner core/steel truss...

war posted on 2009-04-01 10:08:07 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2163. To: TwentyTwelve (#2119)
What Congress Does Not Know About Enron And 911
By John J. Loftus, Atty

hmmm

litus posted on 2009-04-01 10:21:54 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2164. To: TwentyTwelve (#2119)
A captured Al Qaida document reveals that US energy companies were secretly negotiating with the Taliban to build a pipeline.

That was reported on in late July of 2001.
That said, I believe that the threat that the US made when we broke of talks led directly to the "go" for the 9/11 attack.

war posted on 2009-04-01 10:41:11 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2165. To: war (#2142)
You claimed that the buildings collapsed at free fall speed. "Free fall" is EXACTLY what it sounds like...NOTHING between the interval of beginning of a fall and the end of it...given the accelerative effect of gravity on a body at rest dropped, calculating the speed of a free fall is a simple exercise of conversion.

gobbeldygooky, yet indicative of an inkling of comprehension while mishmashingly dishonest. the calculations have been done; the free fall collapse of wtc7 is compelling evidence of demolition, however you spin.
why depart from the official version? NIST admits free fall for wtc7, why can't you?

In its draft report, released in August 2008, NIST attempted to cover up evidence that WTC7 fell at freefall, but the coverup was transparent. In its final report, released in November 2008, NIST finally acknowledged freefall, but couched it in a bizarre framework that continues to deny its clear significance.

at least the studied obfuscations and the practised delusions are consistent...

In other words, you're trying now to deflect because you assumed that you were dealing with someone who doesn't know what they are "talking" about. That was a faulty, borderline moronic, assumption on your part.

to deflect? this coming from one who blithely edits his idiocy as if dishonesty were a commodity (is it?--serious question). stupid child, why do you lie?
actually my mistake was assuming to deal with someone who does possess a modicum of perceptiveness, allowing him to recognize and affirm simple, basic, and consequential facts, but instead has shown himself to be stubbornly evasive.
good day

postpunk posted on 2009-04-01 13:07:35 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2166. To: war (#2164) (Edited)
www.ntra.com/content.aspx?type=feature&id=38530
Here is one guy's wagering suggestions for Pool 3. See the last two paragraphs. He neglects to mention the exacta possibilities.
Win Willy runs in the Arkansas Derby on April 11 so you won't get another look if you plan to throw down money in Pool 3 which ends Sunday at 6 p.m.
Here's my potential hunch bet this weekend: $2 Exacta Wheel - #23 (Win Willy)on top with ALL - total cost $46 with fat payouts possible. Win Willy wasn't on my radar but I'll give him a shot to hedge my other bets.

Fred Mertz posted on 2009-04-01 13:56:34 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2167. To: war (#2159)
That said, the ACTUAL structural engineer of the building thinks you a Moonbat.
That, alone, is good enough for me.

The actual structural engineer would never hear the end of it, would lose his livlihood, and maybe his life if he took the opposite stance and you know it.

mininggold posted on 2009-04-01 14:52:21 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2168. To: mininggold (#2167)
The actual structural engineer would never hear the end of it, would lose his livlihood, and maybe his life if he took the opposite stance and you know it.

O I C...he actually AGREES with you he just can't say anything...

Shhh...it's a secret...

war posted on 2009-04-01 15:12:24 ET (1 image) Reply Trace Private Reply
#2169. To: postpunk (#2165)
gobbeldygooky, yet indicative of an inkling of comprehension while mishmashingly dishonest. the calculations have been done; the free fall collapse of wtc7 is compelling evidence of demolition, however you spin.

Of course, missing from that statement is exactlY WHY it is "gobbeldygooky". That seems to be the MO wityh you Mooonies...i.e. "Fuck all your expert analysis, photos, videos, and eyewitnes saccounts...we believe a radio talk show host!!!"
NIST admits free fall for wtc7
Starkly missing from the NIST report is that admission. OIN point of fact...here is the NIST timeline:

In the draft WTC 7 report (released Aug. 21, 2008; available at http://wtc.nist.gov/media/NIST_NCSTAR_1A_for_public_comment.pdf), NIST stated that the north face of the building descended 18 stories (the portion of the collapse visible in the video) in 5.4 seconds, based on video analysis of the building collapse. This time period is 40 percent longer than the 3.9 seconds this process would have taken if the north face of the building had descended solely under free fall conditions. During the public comment period on the draft report, NIST was asked to confirm this time difference and define the reasons for it in greater detail.
To further clarify the descent of the north face, NIST recorded the downward displacement of a point near the center of the roofline from first movement until the north face was no longer visible in the video. Numerical analyses were conducted to calculate the velocity and acceleration of the roofline point from the time-dependent displacement data. The instant at which vertical motion of the roofline first occurred was determined by tracking the numerical value of the brightness of a pixel (a single element in the video image) at the roofline. This pixel became brighter as the roofline began to descend because the color of the pixel started to change from that of the building façade to the lighter color of the sky.
The approach taken by NIST is summarized in Section 3.6 of the final summary report, NCSTAR 1A (released Nov. 20, 2008; available at http://wtc.nist.gov/NCSTAR1/PDF/NCSTAR%201A.pdf) and detailed in Section 12.5.3 of NIST NCSTAR 1-9 (available at http://wtc.nist.gov/NCSTAR1/PDF/NCSTAR%201-9% 20Vol%202.pdf).
The analyses of the video (both the estimation of the instant the roofline began to descend and the calculated velocity and acceleration of a point on the roofline) revealed three distinct stages characterizing the 5.4 seconds of collapse:
Stage 1 (0 to 1.75 seconds): acceleration less than that of gravity (i.e., slower than free fall). Stage 2 (1.75 to 4.0 seconds): gravitational acceleration (free fall) Stage 3 (4.0 to 5.4 seconds): decreased acceleration, again less than that of gravity This analysis showed that the 40 percent longer descent time—compared to the 3.9 second free fall time—was due primarily to Stage 1, which corresponded to the buckling of the exterior columns in the lower stories of the north face. During Stage 2, the north face descended essentially in free fall, indicating negligible support from the structure below. This is consistent with the structural analysis model which showed the exterior columns buckling and losing their capacity to support the loads from the structure above. In Stage 3, the acceleration decreased as the upper portion of the north face encountered increased resistance from the collapsed structure and the debris pile below.

war posted on 2009-04-01 15:23:32 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2170. To: Fred Mertz (#2166)
WIN WILLY!!!!

war posted on 2009-04-01 15:29:48 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2171. To: war (#2170)
Today is his birthday...no joke.
Win Willy Will Win Derby

Fred Mertz posted on 2009-04-01 15:33:55 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2172. To: Mudboy Slim (#1738)
Sheeesh, you gotta be kidding me, Pete. After the way we fought Iraq with kid gloves, how can you say we're gonna use nuclear weapons on Iran or Syria? If we go into either country--and I have my doubts that we will--we'll go in using conventional forces...MUD

I wasn't talking about an invasion to "spread democracy" or unprovoked attack. I was talking about a response to a bio or nuke attack on an American city. Anybody that things any president would be allowed to sit to the side and not retaliate in kind is nuts.

sneakypete posted on 2009-04-01 15:40:12 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2173. To: Fred Mertz (#2171)
Today is his birthday...no joke.

His mama didn't raise no fools!!!

war posted on 2009-04-01 15:42:01 ET (1 image) Reply Trace Private Reply
#2174. To: war (#2169)
Fuck all your expert analysis, photos, videos, and eyewitnes saccounts...we believe a radio talk show host!!!"

Hey shit for brains, please point out any talk show host listed at the following website...
Engineers, scientists, and military officials question the official 9/11 story
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-04-01 16:08:51 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2175. To: war (#2169)
In the draft WTC 7 report (released Aug. 21, 2008; available at http://wtc.nist.gov/media/NIST_NCSTAR_1A_for_public_comment.pdf), NIST stated that the north face of the building descended 18 stories (the portion of the collapse visible in the video) in 5.4 seconds, based on video analysis of the building collapse.
Yet yesterday you posted that it was 13 seconds. Get you story straight bud.

This time period is 40 percent longer than the 3.9 seconds this process would have taken if the north face of the building had descended solely under free fall conditions.
Oh, it took 1.5 more seconds to bust through 18 stories of structural steel and concrete rather than falling through air. Yeah right.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-04-01 16:11:17 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2176. To: war (#2169)
Do you get paid for this? Your handlers aren't getting their money's worth if so.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-04-01 16:12:02 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2177. To: war (#2169)
BTW, are you still trying to sell your "the wind blew down the WTC towers" story? Have you passed off Building 5 as Building 7 yet today?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-04-01 16:13:41 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2178. To: war (#2138)
Said the person who claimed that the planes were ripped to shreds but did not explode inside the building.

Ok war, what part of the planes blew up? Did they have dyamite inside do you think? Were they special planes made out of plastic explosives?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-04-01 16:15:07 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2179. To: FormerLurker (#2177)
BTW, are you still trying to sell your "the wind blew down the WTC towers" story?

LOL!
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
James Deffenbach posted on 2009-04-01 16:15:08 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2180. To: James Deffenbach (#2179)
LOL!

I kid you not, that's what he was saying a couple of days ago...
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-04-01 16:16:01 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2181. To: war (#2140)
Asked and answered.

You said 13 seconds for WTC7 just yesterday, and now you just posted it was 5.4 seconds. See how you lie and then claim you've been consistant?
You've consistantly lied.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-04-01 16:19:00 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2182. To: FormerLurker (#2180)
I have him on my clown filter and didn't know he was making such claims. Clearly, it is time for the men in the white coats to capture him and adjust his meds.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
James Deffenbach posted on 2009-04-01 16:19:05 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2183. To: war (#2142)
"Free fall" is EXACTLY what it sounds like...NOTHING between the interval of beginning of a fall and the end of it...given the accelerative effect of gravity on a body at rest dropped, calculating the speed of a free fall is a simple exercise of conversion.

You're saying that two seconds slower than the time it would take for something to fall from the top of a 110 story building is not close to free fall speed?
Do you even know how long it would have taken for an object to fall from the top of the WTC?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-04-01 16:21:54 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2184. To: war (#2148)
Who except you Moonbats is claiming that jetfuel caused the collapse?

Aren't you one of them?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-04-01 16:23:47 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2185. To: James Deffenbach (#2182)
Clearly, it is time for the men in the white coats to capture him and adjust his meds.

Him along with most of the other whackjobs over at LP and FR.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-04-01 16:25:38 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2186. To: FormerLurker (#2185)
Him along with most of the other whackjobs over at LP and FR.

Yep.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
James Deffenbach posted on 2009-04-01 16:30:37 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2187. To: sneakypete (#2172)
"I was talking about a response to a bio or nuke attack on an American city. Anybody that things any president would be allowed to sit to the side and not retaliate in kind is nuts."

If either a bio or nuke attack via missile, yeah, we'd return serve. But if it's a local hit via suitcase or vehicle, I don't see how we nuke Beijing if we catch Chi-Coms doing the deed...MUD
Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States,
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the U.S. Constitution!!
Mudboy Slim posted on 2009-04-01 17:50:46 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2188. To: war (#2157)
you're the one who seems to be the factaphobic.

IRTorqued posted on 2009-04-01 18:56:21 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2189. To: IRTorqued (#2188)
you're the one who seems to be the factaphobic.

Yet, oddly, not one of you Moonbats have a) been able to refute anything that I have posted and b) posted any facts which stand in stark contrast to mine and c) in your case, show me that what you've posted is not a lie.

war posted on 2009-04-01 21:29:52 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2190. To: FormerLurker (#2184)
Aren't you one of them?

ROFLMAO...among your MANY serious issues, short term memory seems to stand above the others...

war posted on 2009-04-01 21:31:20 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2191. To: FormerLurker (#2183)
You're saying that two seconds slower than the time it would take for something to fall from the top of a 110 story building is not close to free fall speed?

First off, it was more than 2 seconds and, given the significant % differential that even a phantom 2 seconds is, yea...it's NOWHERE NEAR freefall speed...

war posted on 2009-04-01 21:33:27 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2192. To: FormerLurker (#2183)
...which also underscores my previous observation about you not understanding gravity... Or did you forget that too?

war posted on 2009-04-01 21:34:16 ET Reply Trace Private Reply

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