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Published: Mar 21, 2009
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Post Date: 2009-03-21 08:19:06 by Itistoolate
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#207. To: Rotara, Rhino369, TwentyTwelve, christine, G Edward Griffin (#121)
As if your life depended on it yesterday.

I absolutely, 100%, recommend G. Edward Griffin's book, The Creature From Jekyll Island: A Second Look at the Federal Reserve. It's a must read. Beyond being informative, I found it interesting as to current affairs and historically. It's well written, easy to understand, and well referenced throughout. If you are angry now, you will be absolutely fuming when halfway through reading it and beyond livid when finished.
And then you may need to pound a few keys on the old computer to get some steam off. : )

litus posted on 2009-03-22 1:23:03 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#208. To: FormerLurker (#192)

Do you think the war games planned for that day, and the armada of ships sitting in the Indian Ocean were just there by coincidence?

The war games yes. I don't know about an Armada in the Indian Ocean, care to explain further.

Do you REALLY think a 110 story can collapse about as fast as if it were falling through thin air?

It didn't fall at free fall. All video evidence suggests it fell slower. Free fall would be about 9+ seconds, the video evidence suggests at minimum 13+ seconds more like 15+ in one tower and 17+ in the other.
Plus if demolitions were set it wouldn't fall at free fall either. The buildings collapse at the impact and then collapse down. Even if the collapse was started by demolitions (how the fuck did they aim the planes that well!) it would still have to follow the laws of physics. You can't fake those.

Rhino369 posted on 2009-03-22 1:23:26 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#209. To: palo verde (#206)
I'm sorry, I was tripping.
Please elaborate on 1) my interesting posts and 2) your eccentric takes on things.
xoxoxox

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara posted on 2009-03-22 1:23:49 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#210. To: litus (#207)
If you are angry now, you will be absolutely fuming when halfway through reading it and beyond livid when finished.

The truth has set many free

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara posted on 2009-03-22 1:24:37 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#211. To: Rotara (#210)
I was already "set free" many years ago, and it created peace and calm.
: )

litus posted on 2009-03-22 1:26:26 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#212. To: Rhino369 (#201)
The pictures were a massive embarrassment for the Bush admin, and helped start the antiwar movement in moderate political circles.

We haven't pulled out of Iraq or Afghanistan yet, so I don't think that anti- war movement was too successful.
Besides, the southern border is still wide open. Don't you think they'd close it down REALLY well if they truly DIDN'T want a terror attack to occur on US soil? The torture, both photographed and reported, was not to extract "confessions". It was to agitate a response.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-03-22 1:27:19 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#213. To: Rhino369 (#197)
Why are you not at war with it?

I'm not suicidal. When enough people wake up from their slumber, then it will be worth it to go to war, if need be.
Make awkward sexual advances, not war.
Morehead City Concerts Summer 2009
Critter posted on 2009-03-22 1:27:46 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#214. To: Dakmar (#205)
LOL!!!! You are so funnnny Dakmar
I do not know if Goldi will bring LP back
I'd guess chances are 50-50
those raunchy posts in Breaking News by the disruptor could have been straw which broke the camel's back
I am even wondering now if it was our responsibility as posters on the forum
to have tried to have done something about it
but I can't figure out what we could have done?
Love, Palo

palo verde posted on 2009-03-22 1:28:01 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#215. To: tom007 (#171)
"They" do not hate us for our freedoms.
Yes,they do. Primarly because we have the freedom to choose to not be Muslims or to come under Muslim laws. Our women can even go shopping without male family escorts without even having to wear Burkas or masks. They can even be doctors and teachers to male children. Those are a few of the big reasons they hate us.
Or are you prepared to claim they would make an exception for America being a non-Muslim country with freedoms to read and watch what we want to read,marry who we want to marry,and worship how we want to worship if we stopped supporting Israel?
BTW,I'd like to see us stop supporting Israel,too. Not because I hate Jews. I don't. I just fail to see what America gets in return for spending billions of dollars a year to prop up a welfare state that does nothing but stab us in the back.
(possibly the most idotic statement ever in the history of the universe).
BullBarack! What part about us being free to not be Muslims is it that you have a hard time understanding?

They hate us for our Lukid Israel party support.
Biggest load of HorseHillary being sold. Israel is such a perfect excuse for Jew haters that if it didn't exist they would have to invent it. Israel also serves as a handy whipping boy for the Arab leaders because they can blame all their problems on Israel. Hitler did this with the Jews,and the blacks are doing it today with whites. You can never go wrong by telling people all their problems are the fault of someone else.
They hate the Jews primarily because they aren't Muslims,just like Christians and most westerners aren't Muslims.
Their goal is to have a world totally under the domination of Islam and Muslim law. Israel is no more than a minor speed bump compared to the rest of the world.

sneakypete posted on 2009-03-22 1:28:14 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#216. To: palo verde (#214)
I am even wondering now if it was our responsibility as posters on the forum to have tried to have done something about it

It was her responsibility as a website owner/hostess to 1) moderate her website or 2) select others who will.
It became a free for all and joke.
Just like this country is becoming when rules and laws are either selectively enforced or not enforced at all.

litus posted on 2009-03-22 1:30:01 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#217. To: Critter (#193)

623 architectural and engineering professionals have seen through it:
http://www.ae911truth.org/

45 Civil engineers, only one a Phd. Not very impressive since even most small universities graduate more civies than that every semester. Compared the number of CE's there are in the country, it is statistical noise.
The very fact that site counts people with a BS in electrical engineering makes its a joke. I have a BS in EE, and guess what. I'm no where near an expert, and claiming so is extremely unethical. It makes the site a joke.

Rhino369 posted on 2009-03-22 1:32:02 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#218. To: Critter, Rhino369 (#176)
Demolition without planes and fire would be too obvious an inside job

Of course,you are right about this. After all,there are no Arabs in NYC,and a Arab hanging around parking garages,driving taxi's or rental trucks,or working in building maintenance is so rare it would be sure to set off alarm bells.
Good thinking!

sneakypete posted on 2009-03-22 1:32:25 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#219. To: Rotara (#204)
heheheheheheheheeeeee

Tent City, USA.
Then, you see, that Sacramento, California, throws them out too.
Oh wait, obama is on leno talking about his bowling score. Hahaha. Oh what a riot. /s

nooz posted on 2009-03-22 1:33:20 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#220. To: FormerLurker (#212)
We haven't pulled out of Iraq or Afghanistan yet, so I don't think that anti- war movement was too successful.

I agree with you Former Lurker
Obama has expanded war in Afghanistan, and let CIA start war in Pakistan
if we wanted to end all the wars, we would have had to have gotten Ron Paul in as President
I actually did hope the anti-war right, and the anti-war left, would unite behind a Ron Paul/Dennis Kucinich ticket
but this is not what happened
Love, Palo

palo verde posted on 2009-03-22 1:34:06 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#221. To: Rhino369 (#208)
I don't know about an Armada in the Indian Ocean, care to explain further.

My bad, it was the Gulf of Arabia...
From TIMELINE SURROUNDING SEPTEMBER 11TH -

Sept. 1-10 2001 - In an exercise, called Operation "Swift Sword" and planned for four years, 23,000 British troops are steaming toward Oman. Although the 9-11 attacks caused a hiccup in the deployment, the massive operation was implemented as planned. At the same time two U.S. carrier battle groups arrive on station in the Gulf of Arabia just off the Pakistani coast. Also at the same time, some 17,000 U.S. troops join more than 23,000 NATO troops in Egypt for Operation "Bright Star." All of these forces are in place before the first plane hits the WTC. [Sources: The Guardian; CNN; Fox; The Observer; International Law Professor Francis Boyle, the University of Illinois.]

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-03-22 1:34:29 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#222. To: Critter (#188)
Pete's either still in a hypnotic, coolaid induced state or a shill. I don't know which just yet.

LOL!
Maybe I'm just evil?
Or a communistic spy?

sneakypete posted on 2009-03-22 1:35:27 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#223. To: sneakypete (#196)
Not only that,but those same conspiracy theories are LOVED by the government because it allows them to dismiss any questions about their conduct as being linked to "those insane conspiracy freaks".
Instead of helping the cause of freedom,all they are doing in hurting it and helping the government.
AND....it does no good at all to argue with them because they are obsessed with every little detail,and have reams of false "Facts" to back up their arguments. What makes it so hard to argue against any conspiracy theory is that the best ones are all believable because there is a basis in fact to all of them.

I agree which is why it pains me to see you buy the conspiracy theory about Obama being born in Kenya. How much legit criticism is being wasted on that silly theory?

For example *I* am the one that started the conspiracy theory Hillary Clinton being behind the crash of JFK Jr's airplane and his death. I started this rumor on FR and used the fact that he had been talking about running for the same Senate seat ("his" family Senate seat) that she was running for,and this is the reason she had a had the airplane rigged to crash. Within a hour this was accepted as the gospel,and I was being called a DNC shill for saying it was made up,and a liar for saying I was the one who made it up. DESPITE the fact that the proof I was the one who made it up was right there on that very thread!

I can believe it. The same thing happens on FR to this day. On the birth conspiracy, a person will merely guess about something, and then a day later its gospel until proven false. Its interesting to see how conspiracy theories form.

Rhino369 posted on 2009-03-22 1:35:51 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#224. To: palo verde (#220)
but this is not what happened

It would never have been allowed to happen.
Nice to see you again Palo.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-03-22 1:35:58 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#225. To: palo verde (#191)
Pete, you think the poster Mrs Yukon, who chose that name to upset Yukon posted those raunchy articles with malicious intent to harm LP?

Yes. Harassing Yukon while doing it was just a bonus. There was no need to fill breaking news with bogus insanity if all they had been trying to do was cause Yukon grief. They could have just responded to threads he was posting on.

sneakypete posted on 2009-03-22 1:38:04 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#226. To: Rotara (#200)

What better way to crank up the war machine than to rally the peeps with the New Pearl Harbor ? Does the DHS have something on you ?

You don't think having the two towers instantly fall killing 20,000 would have made a good enough cause for war? Plus I would have used Iraqis.
People would have been pissed enough if they didn't fall, and just got hit by planes.

Rhino369 posted on 2009-03-22 1:38:17 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#227. To: sneakypete (#215)
Hitler did this with the Jews,and the blacks are doing it today with whites.

And the Israelis (note I did not say Jews) are doing it today to the Palestinians.
How you been pete? Good to see you here...
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-03-22 1:39:41 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#228. To: FormerLurker (#212)

We haven't pulled out of Iraq or Afghanistan yet, so I don't think that anti- war movement was too successful.

It lost them the elections in 2006 and 2008, and will lead to the US slowly leaving Iraq, losing all those precious war contracts.

Besides, the southern border is still wide open. Don't you think they'd close it down REALLY well if they truly DIDN'T want a terror attack to occur on US soil?

Their donors needed the cheap labor. And honestly closing the borders wouldn't have prevented 9-11. They came in on visas. I would have used it as an excuse to close the borders. Though.
It does prove that the threat of terrorism is massively overblown. Al Qaeda is much less powerful than we are led to believe.

Rhino369 posted on 2009-03-22 1:42:08 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#229. To: Rotara (#198)
As bright as you are; I don't get it. How can you be so blind ?

Sometimes the right answer is the simple one,not the one that makes you feel good or vindicated.
This whole thing was planned,executed,and financed by Saudi Arabia.

sneakypete posted on 2009-03-22 1:42:23 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#230. To: litus (#216)
(Palo) I am even wondering now if it was our responsibility as posters on the forum to have tried to have done something about it
(litus) It was her responsibility as a website owner/hostess to 1) moderate her website or 2) select others who will.
It became a free for all and joke.
Just like this country is becoming when rules and laws are either selectively enforced or not enforced at all.

Hi Litus
Well Pete said Goldi started new job 6 months ago
and I think her job is very demanding
she probably was not around LP very much
and there were no moderators, she was IT
Oddly enough even on the thread under that very raunchy "article" the disruptor posted in Breaking News
the posts on thread were thoughtful and intelligent
but it made the site look like hell that that was the top post in Breaking News
Love, Palo

palo verde posted on 2009-03-22 1:43:04 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#231. To: sneakypete (#229)

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara posted on 2009-03-22 1:44:17 ET (1 image) Reply Trace Private Reply
#232. To: Rhino369 (#226)
Why did they lie about demolishing WTC 7 ?

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara posted on 2009-03-22 1:45:22 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#233. To: palo verde (#230)
That's why I was saying, she had either choice 1 or 2; if she couldn't do it herself, she certainly should have gotten at least a couple (responsible and reliable) persons who would.
I saw the thread the night before it went down, the title was difficult to miss; beyond poor taste.

litus posted on 2009-03-22 1:45:24 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#234. To: Rhino369 (#228)
It lost them the elections in 2006 and 2008

"Them"? Many of "them" are still holding onto the reigns of power throughout the Obama administration. Do you really think the Republicans are any different than the Democrats? They are ALL politicians above all else, and 99.9 % of them follow the same masters, and those masters are not the American People...
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-03-22 1:45:30 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#235. To: Rhino369 (#228)
Al Qaeda is much less powerful than we are led to believe.

The wars have made it stronger, motivating large numbers of formerly peaceful people to become vengeful fanatics.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-03-22 1:47:38 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#236. To: sneakypete (#229)
This whole thing was planned,executed,and financed by Saudi Arabia.

lol and I think the whole thing was planned, executed, and financed by international gangsters
(altho they had to have help on the inside)
but I don't think Bush or Cheney were complicit, I think they were the targets
I guess some day all the truth will come out
meanwhile it's best for each of us to stick to our guns :)
Love, Palo

palo verde posted on 2009-03-22 1:48:03 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#237. To: sneakypete (#229)
This whole thing was planned,executed,and financed by Saudi Arabia.

Saudi Arabia had nothing to gain from it. Israel on the other hand, had EVERYTHING to gain from it, and are STILL reaping the rewards.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-03-22 1:49:33 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#238. To: palo verde (#236)
but I don't think Bush or Cheney were complicit, I think they were the targets

Oy Vey !

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara posted on 2009-03-22 1:49:43 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#239. To: palo verde (#236)
I don't think Bush or Cheney were complicit

Then why did they bend over backwards to cover it up, and refused to even investigate the matter until the 9/11 widows pressured them to open up an investigation?
Why did they not allow Sybil Edmonds to speak?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-03-22 1:52:56 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#240. To: Rhino369 (#223)
.....it pains me to see you buy the conspiracy theory about Obama being born in Kenya.

I don't think he was born in Kenya,and have never said I did.
I think he was born in Hawaii,but we won't know this for a fact until he releases the vault copy of his birth certificate,will we?
What I DO believe because it is an established FACT is that he was adopted by his step father and became an Indonesian citizen. Part of this process was rejecting his American citizenship. Despite what the Barry-Bots claim,his mother had the legal right to denounce his US citizeship.
I also know he travled to Pakistan as a Indonesian citizen as an adult,and his name was Barry Soetoro at the time. I also know there has been no explanation whatsoever about how or when he changed his name and obtained US citizenship again.
For all we know,he still had Indonesian citizenship.

sneakypete posted on 2009-03-22 1:53:01 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#241. To: FormerLurker (#235)

The wars have made it stronger, motivating large numbers of formerly peaceful people to become vengeful fanatics.

I still don't think we have much to fear from them. Its much easier to recruit someone to defend what they think is their homeland, Iraq, and Afghanistan, than to recruit them on a suicide mission inside the United States.

Rhino369 posted on 2009-03-22 1:54:24 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#242. To: Rotara (#232)
Why did they lie about demolishing WTC 7 ?

I should ask you the same. Why blow up a building with nobody in it, when it clearly wasn't hit by a plane? It has no benefit for the conspiracy, and tons of risk. Most people don't even know what WTC 7 is.

Rhino369 posted on 2009-03-22 1:55:54 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#243. To: FormerLurker (#227)
And the Israelis (note I did not say Jews) are doing it today to the Palestinians.
Yup,it is a popular game that is played by all because it works so well.
How you been pete?
Getting old and cranky,and I'm not as patient as I used to be.
Good to see you here...
Thanks.

sneakypete posted on 2009-03-22 1:56:22 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#244. To: litus (#233)
I saw the thread the night before it went down, the title was difficult to miss; beyond poor taste.

yes exactly Litus
you can see why if she came home after a long hard day at work and clicked on LP and saw that
it could have been a final straw
because there is no way to actually stop it
if she bans the disruptor, he comes back with another name and does it again
It may be that she is ready to let LP go ?
or maybe she still wants it ?
that's what I mean about straw which broke the camel's back
if she wants to keep LP she will just take a vacation from it
if she wants to end it, she probably won't put it back on line
She has a right to do what is best for herself
Love, Palo

palo verde posted on 2009-03-22 1:56:23 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#245. To: FormerLurker (#234)

"Them"? Many of "them" are still holding onto the reigns of power throughout the Obama administration. Do you really think the Republicans are any different than the Democrats? They are ALL politicians above all else, and 99.9 % of them follow the same masters, and those masters are not the American People...

They are different gangs, but they are really the same in the end. But they really do fight for power. Who ever is in power gets more donations. This is why big business donates to both.
They are owned by the same master, but they play to win.

Rhino369 posted on 2009-03-22 1:58:05 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#246. To: palo verde (#244)
This is the eventuality, however, whenever "authorities" believe they can "rule" arbitrarily. Chaos results.
penny wise and pound foolish.

litus posted on 2009-03-22 1:58:35 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#247. To: Rhino369 (#242)
Why did they lie about demolishing WTC 7 ?
I should ask you the same.

No seriously.
Why did they demolish WTC 7 and THEN lie about demolishing it ?

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara posted on 2009-03-22 1:58:38 ET Reply Trace Private Reply

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