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Title: The thread that's changed its focus from the original title. Carry on ;)
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Published: Mar 21, 2009
Author: m e
Post Date: 2009-03-21 08:19:06 by Itistoolate
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#234. To: Rhino369 (#228)
It lost them the elections in 2006 and 2008

"Them"? Many of "them" are still holding onto the reigns of power throughout the Obama administration. Do you really think the Republicans are any different than the Democrats? They are ALL politicians above all else, and 99.9 % of them follow the same masters, and those masters are not the American People...
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-03-22 1:45:30 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#235. To: Rhino369 (#228)
Al Qaeda is much less powerful than we are led to believe.

The wars have made it stronger, motivating large numbers of formerly peaceful people to become vengeful fanatics.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-03-22 1:47:38 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#236. To: sneakypete (#229)
This whole thing was planned,executed,and financed by Saudi Arabia.

lol and I think the whole thing was planned, executed, and financed by international gangsters
(altho they had to have help on the inside)
but I don't think Bush or Cheney were complicit, I think they were the targets
I guess some day all the truth will come out
meanwhile it's best for each of us to stick to our guns :)
Love, Palo

palo verde posted on 2009-03-22 1:48:03 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#237. To: sneakypete (#229)
This whole thing was planned,executed,and financed by Saudi Arabia.

Saudi Arabia had nothing to gain from it. Israel on the other hand, had EVERYTHING to gain from it, and are STILL reaping the rewards.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-03-22 1:49:33 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#238. To: palo verde (#236)
but I don't think Bush or Cheney were complicit, I think they were the targets

Oy Vey !

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara posted on 2009-03-22 1:49:43 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#239. To: palo verde (#236)
I don't think Bush or Cheney were complicit

Then why did they bend over backwards to cover it up, and refused to even investigate the matter until the 9/11 widows pressured them to open up an investigation?
Why did they not allow Sybil Edmonds to speak?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-03-22 1:52:56 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#240. To: Rhino369 (#223)
.....it pains me to see you buy the conspiracy theory about Obama being born in Kenya.

I don't think he was born in Kenya,and have never said I did.
I think he was born in Hawaii,but we won't know this for a fact until he releases the vault copy of his birth certificate,will we?
What I DO believe because it is an established FACT is that he was adopted by his step father and became an Indonesian citizen. Part of this process was rejecting his American citizenship. Despite what the Barry-Bots claim,his mother had the legal right to denounce his US citizeship.
I also know he travled to Pakistan as a Indonesian citizen as an adult,and his name was Barry Soetoro at the time. I also know there has been no explanation whatsoever about how or when he changed his name and obtained US citizenship again.
For all we know,he still had Indonesian citizenship.

sneakypete posted on 2009-03-22 1:53:01 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#241. To: FormerLurker (#235)

The wars have made it stronger, motivating large numbers of formerly peaceful people to become vengeful fanatics.

I still don't think we have much to fear from them. Its much easier to recruit someone to defend what they think is their homeland, Iraq, and Afghanistan, than to recruit them on a suicide mission inside the United States.

Rhino369 posted on 2009-03-22 1:54:24 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#242. To: Rotara (#232)
Why did they lie about demolishing WTC 7 ?

I should ask you the same. Why blow up a building with nobody in it, when it clearly wasn't hit by a plane? It has no benefit for the conspiracy, and tons of risk. Most people don't even know what WTC 7 is.

Rhino369 posted on 2009-03-22 1:55:54 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#243. To: FormerLurker (#227)
And the Israelis (note I did not say Jews) are doing it today to the Palestinians.
Yup,it is a popular game that is played by all because it works so well.
How you been pete?
Getting old and cranky,and I'm not as patient as I used to be.
Good to see you here...
Thanks.

sneakypete posted on 2009-03-22 1:56:22 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#244. To: litus (#233)
I saw the thread the night before it went down, the title was difficult to miss; beyond poor taste.

yes exactly Litus
you can see why if she came home after a long hard day at work and clicked on LP and saw that
it could have been a final straw
because there is no way to actually stop it
if she bans the disruptor, he comes back with another name and does it again
It may be that she is ready to let LP go ?
or maybe she still wants it ?
that's what I mean about straw which broke the camel's back
if she wants to keep LP she will just take a vacation from it
if she wants to end it, she probably won't put it back on line
She has a right to do what is best for herself
Love, Palo

palo verde posted on 2009-03-22 1:56:23 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#245. To: FormerLurker (#234)

"Them"? Many of "them" are still holding onto the reigns of power throughout the Obama administration. Do you really think the Republicans are any different than the Democrats? They are ALL politicians above all else, and 99.9 % of them follow the same masters, and those masters are not the American People...

They are different gangs, but they are really the same in the end. But they really do fight for power. Who ever is in power gets more donations. This is why big business donates to both.
They are owned by the same master, but they play to win.

Rhino369 posted on 2009-03-22 1:58:05 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#246. To: palo verde (#244)
This is the eventuality, however, whenever "authorities" believe they can "rule" arbitrarily. Chaos results.
penny wise and pound foolish.

litus posted on 2009-03-22 1:58:35 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#247. To: Rhino369 (#242)
Why did they lie about demolishing WTC 7 ?
I should ask you the same.

No seriously.
Why did they demolish WTC 7 and THEN lie about demolishing it ?

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara posted on 2009-03-22 1:58:38 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#248. To: Rhino369 (#228)
It lost them the elections in 2006 and 2008, and will lead to the US slowly leaving Iraq, losing all those precious war contracts.

Not to worry. They will be replaced by reconstruction contracts. The only real difference is it will be Dim-connected firms stealing from the taxpayer instead of RINO-connected firms stealing from the taxpayer.
"and the beat goes on...."

sneakypete posted on 2009-03-22 1:59:03 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#249. To: sneakypete (#240)

palo verde posted on 2009-03-22 2:00:43 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#250. To: Rotara (#231)
Being president wasn't good enough for Boy Jorge,he also wants to be a Princess.

BTW,for those of you who don't know,that is Prince Abdullah of Saudi Arabia that he is swapping spit with,now better known as KING Abdullah.
He is also one of the larges stockholders in Citi-Bank.

sneakypete posted on 2009-03-22 2:01:29 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#251. To: sneakypete (#240)
I don't think Obama was born in Kenya,and have never said I did.
I think he was born in Hawaii ....

I am with you on this Pete
I don't join the citizenship threads on LP
did this post go thru?

palo verde posted on 2009-03-22 2:01:53 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#252. To: sneakypete (#250)
They make my skin crawl.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara posted on 2009-03-22 2:02:24 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#253. To: sneakypete (#240)
What I DO believe because it is an established FACT is that he was adopted by his step father and became an Indonesian citizen. Part of this process was rejecting his American citizenship. Despite what the Barry-Bots claim,his mother had the legal right to denounce his US citizeship.

Its not debatable, a mother cannot denounce US Citizenship. It is also not established he was adopted.
travel.state.gov/law/citizenship/citizenship_776.html

I also know he travled to Pakistan as a Indonesian citizen as an adult,and his name was Barry Soetoro at the time. I also know there has been no explanation whatsoever about how or when he changed his name and obtained US citizenship again.

How do you know he traveled as an Indonesian citizen? How do you know what his name was?

Rhino369 posted on 2009-03-22 2:02:33 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#254. To: sneakypete (#250)
He is also one of the larges stockholders in Citi-Bank.

Oh really?! Isn't that interesting.

litus posted on 2009-03-22 2:02:36 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#255. To: palo verde (#251)
Are you logged in ?

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara posted on 2009-03-22 2:02:47 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#256. To: FormerLurker (#235)
Al Qaeda is much less powerful than we are led to believe.
The wars have made it stronger, motivating large numbers of formerly peaceful people to become vengeful fanatics.

Absolutely 100% correct!

sneakypete posted on 2009-03-22 2:02:57 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#257. To: Rhino369 (#253)
How do you know he traveled as an Indonesian citizen? How do you know what his name was?

Can't even call you doubting rhino.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara posted on 2009-03-22 2:03:25 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#258. To: Rotara (#247)

No seriously.
Why did they demolish WTC 7 and THEN lie about demolishing it ?

They didn't. It burned until it collapsed.

Rhino369 posted on 2009-03-22 2:03:30 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#259. To: palo verde (#236)
This whole thing was planned,executed,and financed by Saudi Arabia.
lol and I think the whole thing was planned, executed, and financed by international gangsters

There's a difference?

sneakypete posted on 2009-03-22 2:04:03 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#260. To: Rhino369 (#258)
No seriously.
Why did they demolish WTC 7 and THEN lie about demolishing it ?
They didn't. It burned until it collapsed.

I'll be in touch. ;-)

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara posted on 2009-03-22 2:04:25 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#261. To: Rhino369 (#258)
Fires Have Never Caused Skyscrapers to Collapse

http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/analysis/compare/fires.html

litus posted on 2009-03-22 2:04:47 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#262. To: sneakypete (#250)
Being president wasn't good enough for Boy Jorge,he also wants to be a Princess.

The cow says...moo!
The ultimate effect of shielding men from the effects of folly, is to fill the world with fools. - Herbert Spencer
Dakmar posted on 2009-03-22 2:05:10 ET (1 image) Reply Trace Private Reply
#263. To: Rotara (#257)
Can't even call you doubting rhino.

It should be an easy question to answer. I suspect I know why he, and you believe it. The school paperwork right?

Rhino369 posted on 2009-03-22 2:05:15 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#264. To: Rhino369 (#258)
Excepting the three 9-11 collapses

lolol

litus posted on 2009-03-22 2:05:23 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#265. To: FormerLurker (#237)
Saudi Arabia had nothing to gain from it. Israel on the other hand, had EVERYTHING to gain from it, and are STILL reaping the rewards.

BullBarack! Saudi Arabia had EVERYTHING to gain from it. Saddam Hussein was never a threat to either Israel OR the US,but he was very much a threat to the House of Saud.
Just like every other tribal leader/king in Arabia,the King there dreamed of being the King of a United Arabia. Saddam Hussein had this same dream,and he had the means and the willpower to do it. We invaded Iraq to protect the House of Saud.

sneakypete posted on 2009-03-22 2:07:29 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#266. To: Rhino369 (#241)
Its much easier to recruit someone to defend what they think is their homeland, Iraq, and Afghanistan, than to recruit them on a suicide mission inside the United States.

And it is even easier to recruit them to defend their God and religion.

sneakypete posted on 2009-03-22 2:09:10 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#267. To: litus (#261)
The WTC fire control systems were broken after the collapse. There has never been a skyscraper fire with absolutely no fire suppression systems.
Again let me ask. Why would they blow up an unoccupied building and claim fire if its physically impossible. What possible gain would they have, considering the risk?

Rhino369 posted on 2009-03-22 2:12:07 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#268. To: Rhino369 (#253)
Its not debatable, a mother cannot denounce US Citizenship. It is also not established he was adopted.
travel.state.gov/law/citizenship/citizenship_776.html

That wasn't the law when he was 7 years old.
How do you know he traveled as an Indonesian citizen?
Because Americans weren't allowed to travel to Pakistan then as tourists.
How do you know what his name was?
Because that is his name on the roster of the elementary school he went to in Indonesia.

sneakypete posted on 2009-03-22 2:15:09 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#269. To: litus (#246)
This is the eventuality, however, whenever "authorities" believe they can "rule" arbitrarily. Chaos results.
penny wise and pound foolish.

this is an interesting post, Litus
I've probably been on 7 forums now
I think they all are governed by whim of forum owner
(lol not by law :)
altho oddly enuf my worst experience was being banned as a disruptor on Liberty Forum
which had a system of self-governance
but some few people figured out how to beat the system
and got me banned as disruptor by "the system"
there were a lot of great posters when I was on Liberty Forum
(even tho I was not on long)
who were swell to me
but it was too nerve-wracking, a few people would hit "disruptor button" to every post I wrote
even if I just said something like "there is a beautiful moon out there tonight"
and the system would then make all my posts invisible, because I was "obscene disruptor"
LOL!
Love, Palo

palo verde posted on 2009-03-22 2:15:59 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#270. To: litus (#254)
He is also one of the larges stockholders in Citi-Bank.
Oh really?! Isn't that interesting.

Well,I may have misspoken. He WAS the largest stockholder in Citi-Bank at one time. He could have sold his stock 10 years ago for all I know.
He was also a major stockholder in GM and several other large US corporations. He literally owned and controlled enough US stock belonging to relatives that if he had decided to dump them all on the same day it's possible he could have caused the stock market to crash.
Given that these people always try to marry cousins to keep money and power in the family,it's hard to believe that not all of them are drooling idiots. King Abdullah is clearly world-class smart,though. He got profits as well as influence by investing in western stock markets.

sneakypete posted on 2009-03-22 2:19:57 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#271. To: Dakmar, ALL (#262)
wow what a beautiful pic of princess phone, Dakmar
I love it
well my doggie wants food and attention
so I wish everyone sweet dreams
and thank you all for your kind hospitality to me
Love, Palo

palo verde posted on 2009-03-22 2:20:23 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#272. To: Rhino369 (#267)
Why would they blow up an unoccupied building and claim fire if its physically impossible. What possible gain would they have, considering the risk?

What you are asking are the types of questions that could reasonably be asked IF the individuals or group you are asking are beyond question upright, honest, righteous, and follow the rule of law.

Those qualities and characteristics, however, are noticeably absent from the group of people and individuals who are being questioned.

.gov has gained a great deal more power and control over the sheeple, just for starters.
What does a murderer have to gain by denying his/her involvement? And yes, 3,000 people were murdered that day. You think that honest cops or honest prosecutors just accept the word of a suspect because of his or her denials? Do you believe that cops or prosecutors operate on the belief that a suspect is innocent, and therefore, they look for ways to incorporate the denials into their operations and procedures? No. They don't first assume someone is telling the truth....the assumption, first, is they may be lying.
But in this case, one branch of .gov has "investigated" another branch of .gov with the assumption that the denials of .gov is proof of its innocence.
When the fox is watching the henhouse....the fox controls all.

litus posted on 2009-03-22 2:26:43 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#273. To: sneakypete (#270)
He WAS the largest stockholder in Citi-Bank at one time. He could have sold his stock 10 years ago for all I know.

It's possible, however, that he did not.
In any event, I'll be keeping this in mind and will investigate that further.
Thanks.

litus posted on 2009-03-22 2:30:00 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#274. To: sneakypete (#268)

That wasn't the law when he was 7 years old.

Perkins v. Elg, 307 U.S. 325 (1939) The parents cannot remove a child's citizenship.

Because Americans weren't allowed to travel to Pakistan then as tourists.

Not true, it was just strong discouraged.

Because that is his name on the roster of the elementary school he went to in Indonesia.

Yes, school documentation from 1970's Indonesia is obviously much more official than Hawaiian certificates of live birth. The school would have put down whatever he was registered as by his step father.

Rhino369 posted on 2009-03-22 2:32:07 ET Reply Trace Private Reply

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