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Title: The thread that's changed its focus from the original title. Carry on ;)
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Published: Mar 21, 2009
Author: m e
Post Date: 2009-03-21 08:19:06 by Itistoolate
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#251. To: sneakypete (#240)
I don't think Obama was born in Kenya,and have never said I did.
I think he was born in Hawaii ....

I am with you on this Pete
I don't join the citizenship threads on LP
did this post go thru?

palo verde posted on 2009-03-22 2:01:53 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#252. To: sneakypete (#250)
They make my skin crawl.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara posted on 2009-03-22 2:02:24 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#253. To: sneakypete (#240)
What I DO believe because it is an established FACT is that he was adopted by his step father and became an Indonesian citizen. Part of this process was rejecting his American citizenship. Despite what the Barry-Bots claim,his mother had the legal right to denounce his US citizeship.

Its not debatable, a mother cannot denounce US Citizenship. It is also not established he was adopted.
travel.state.gov/law/citizenship/citizenship_776.html

I also know he travled to Pakistan as a Indonesian citizen as an adult,and his name was Barry Soetoro at the time. I also know there has been no explanation whatsoever about how or when he changed his name and obtained US citizenship again.

How do you know he traveled as an Indonesian citizen? How do you know what his name was?

Rhino369 posted on 2009-03-22 2:02:33 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#254. To: sneakypete (#250)
He is also one of the larges stockholders in Citi-Bank.

Oh really?! Isn't that interesting.

litus posted on 2009-03-22 2:02:36 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#255. To: palo verde (#251)
Are you logged in ?

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara posted on 2009-03-22 2:02:47 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#256. To: FormerLurker (#235)
Al Qaeda is much less powerful than we are led to believe.
The wars have made it stronger, motivating large numbers of formerly peaceful people to become vengeful fanatics.

Absolutely 100% correct!

sneakypete posted on 2009-03-22 2:02:57 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#257. To: Rhino369 (#253)
How do you know he traveled as an Indonesian citizen? How do you know what his name was?

Can't even call you doubting rhino.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara posted on 2009-03-22 2:03:25 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#258. To: Rotara (#247)

No seriously.
Why did they demolish WTC 7 and THEN lie about demolishing it ?

They didn't. It burned until it collapsed.

Rhino369 posted on 2009-03-22 2:03:30 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#259. To: palo verde (#236)
This whole thing was planned,executed,and financed by Saudi Arabia.
lol and I think the whole thing was planned, executed, and financed by international gangsters

There's a difference?

sneakypete posted on 2009-03-22 2:04:03 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#260. To: Rhino369 (#258)
No seriously.
Why did they demolish WTC 7 and THEN lie about demolishing it ?
They didn't. It burned until it collapsed.

I'll be in touch. ;-)

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara posted on 2009-03-22 2:04:25 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#261. To: Rhino369 (#258)
Fires Have Never Caused Skyscrapers to Collapse

http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/analysis/compare/fires.html

litus posted on 2009-03-22 2:04:47 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#262. To: sneakypete (#250)
Being president wasn't good enough for Boy Jorge,he also wants to be a Princess.

The cow says...moo!
The ultimate effect of shielding men from the effects of folly, is to fill the world with fools. - Herbert Spencer
Dakmar posted on 2009-03-22 2:05:10 ET (1 image) Reply Trace Private Reply
#263. To: Rotara (#257)
Can't even call you doubting rhino.

It should be an easy question to answer. I suspect I know why he, and you believe it. The school paperwork right?

Rhino369 posted on 2009-03-22 2:05:15 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#264. To: Rhino369 (#258)
Excepting the three 9-11 collapses

lolol

litus posted on 2009-03-22 2:05:23 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#265. To: FormerLurker (#237)
Saudi Arabia had nothing to gain from it. Israel on the other hand, had EVERYTHING to gain from it, and are STILL reaping the rewards.

BullBarack! Saudi Arabia had EVERYTHING to gain from it. Saddam Hussein was never a threat to either Israel OR the US,but he was very much a threat to the House of Saud.
Just like every other tribal leader/king in Arabia,the King there dreamed of being the King of a United Arabia. Saddam Hussein had this same dream,and he had the means and the willpower to do it. We invaded Iraq to protect the House of Saud.

sneakypete posted on 2009-03-22 2:07:29 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#266. To: Rhino369 (#241)
Its much easier to recruit someone to defend what they think is their homeland, Iraq, and Afghanistan, than to recruit them on a suicide mission inside the United States.

And it is even easier to recruit them to defend their God and religion.

sneakypete posted on 2009-03-22 2:09:10 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#267. To: litus (#261)
The WTC fire control systems were broken after the collapse. There has never been a skyscraper fire with absolutely no fire suppression systems.
Again let me ask. Why would they blow up an unoccupied building and claim fire if its physically impossible. What possible gain would they have, considering the risk?

Rhino369 posted on 2009-03-22 2:12:07 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#268. To: Rhino369 (#253)
Its not debatable, a mother cannot denounce US Citizenship. It is also not established he was adopted.
travel.state.gov/law/citizenship/citizenship_776.html

That wasn't the law when he was 7 years old.
How do you know he traveled as an Indonesian citizen?
Because Americans weren't allowed to travel to Pakistan then as tourists.
How do you know what his name was?
Because that is his name on the roster of the elementary school he went to in Indonesia.

sneakypete posted on 2009-03-22 2:15:09 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#269. To: litus (#246)
This is the eventuality, however, whenever "authorities" believe they can "rule" arbitrarily. Chaos results.
penny wise and pound foolish.

this is an interesting post, Litus
I've probably been on 7 forums now
I think they all are governed by whim of forum owner
(lol not by law :)
altho oddly enuf my worst experience was being banned as a disruptor on Liberty Forum
which had a system of self-governance
but some few people figured out how to beat the system
and got me banned as disruptor by "the system"
there were a lot of great posters when I was on Liberty Forum
(even tho I was not on long)
who were swell to me
but it was too nerve-wracking, a few people would hit "disruptor button" to every post I wrote
even if I just said something like "there is a beautiful moon out there tonight"
and the system would then make all my posts invisible, because I was "obscene disruptor"
LOL!
Love, Palo

palo verde posted on 2009-03-22 2:15:59 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#270. To: litus (#254)
He is also one of the larges stockholders in Citi-Bank.
Oh really?! Isn't that interesting.

Well,I may have misspoken. He WAS the largest stockholder in Citi-Bank at one time. He could have sold his stock 10 years ago for all I know.
He was also a major stockholder in GM and several other large US corporations. He literally owned and controlled enough US stock belonging to relatives that if he had decided to dump them all on the same day it's possible he could have caused the stock market to crash.
Given that these people always try to marry cousins to keep money and power in the family,it's hard to believe that not all of them are drooling idiots. King Abdullah is clearly world-class smart,though. He got profits as well as influence by investing in western stock markets.

sneakypete posted on 2009-03-22 2:19:57 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#271. To: Dakmar, ALL (#262)
wow what a beautiful pic of princess phone, Dakmar
I love it
well my doggie wants food and attention
so I wish everyone sweet dreams
and thank you all for your kind hospitality to me
Love, Palo

palo verde posted on 2009-03-22 2:20:23 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#272. To: Rhino369 (#267)
Why would they blow up an unoccupied building and claim fire if its physically impossible. What possible gain would they have, considering the risk?

What you are asking are the types of questions that could reasonably be asked IF the individuals or group you are asking are beyond question upright, honest, righteous, and follow the rule of law.

Those qualities and characteristics, however, are noticeably absent from the group of people and individuals who are being questioned.

.gov has gained a great deal more power and control over the sheeple, just for starters.
What does a murderer have to gain by denying his/her involvement? And yes, 3,000 people were murdered that day. You think that honest cops or honest prosecutors just accept the word of a suspect because of his or her denials? Do you believe that cops or prosecutors operate on the belief that a suspect is innocent, and therefore, they look for ways to incorporate the denials into their operations and procedures? No. They don't first assume someone is telling the truth....the assumption, first, is they may be lying.
But in this case, one branch of .gov has "investigated" another branch of .gov with the assumption that the denials of .gov is proof of its innocence.
When the fox is watching the henhouse....the fox controls all.

litus posted on 2009-03-22 2:26:43 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#273. To: sneakypete (#270)
He WAS the largest stockholder in Citi-Bank at one time. He could have sold his stock 10 years ago for all I know.

It's possible, however, that he did not.
In any event, I'll be keeping this in mind and will investigate that further.
Thanks.

litus posted on 2009-03-22 2:30:00 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#274. To: sneakypete (#268)

That wasn't the law when he was 7 years old.

Perkins v. Elg, 307 U.S. 325 (1939) The parents cannot remove a child's citizenship.

Because Americans weren't allowed to travel to Pakistan then as tourists.

Not true, it was just strong discouraged.

Because that is his name on the roster of the elementary school he went to in Indonesia.

Yes, school documentation from 1970's Indonesia is obviously much more official than Hawaiian certificates of live birth. The school would have put down whatever he was registered as by his step father.

Rhino369 posted on 2009-03-22 2:32:07 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#275. To: palo verde (#269)
I think they all are governed by whim of forum owner

Because, often times, they seem to become tyrants....sometimes just lazy.
In either case, all forums have "rules"; not enforcing them leads to chaos; arbitrary enforcement ends "actual rules" and also results in chaos.

litus posted on 2009-03-22 2:34:01 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#276. To: litus (#272)

What you are asking are the types of questions that could reasonably be asked IF the individuals or group you are asking are beyond question upright, honest, righteous, and follow the rule of law.
Those qualities and characteristics, however, are noticeably absent from the group of people and individuals who are being questioned.

No, these questions are the type that can be asked if the people in question are sane. Even if they are evil liars, it makes absolutely no sense to blow up WTC 7. There is absolutely no reason to, and plenty of risk in doing so.

.gov has gained a great deal more power and control over the sheeple, just for starters.

By blowing up WTC 7? No it didn't. Even if I accepted the government did 9-11, blowing up WTC7 would still be crazy.

Rhino369 posted on 2009-03-22 2:36:20 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#277. To: Rhino369 (#276)
I'm didn't say .gov blew up WTC; I'm saying I don't believe their story.
It's fantastical fiction.
You think what we are experiencing in the economy is accidental, too?
It was engineered.

litus posted on 2009-03-22 2:43:14 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#278. To: Critter (#176)
Demolition without planes and fire would be too obvious and inside job.

Not only that; the impaling planes resulted in a world-wide sensation, something members of the Tribe are past masters at creating, compared to a building just catching on fire or falling down. Organized Jewry needed that kind of spectacular false flag event around which to scapegoat and focus blame on bin Laden and the Taleban who were allowing Arab fighters to train in Afghanistan to help Palestinians get back lands stolen by Israeli terrorists to form their illegal state. Zionist propagandists, particularly their media hyenas, were thus immediately able to "form" and stampede a Bush-Blair lynch mob to neutralize Afghanistan and thus eliminate one of Israel's enemies. Even if Bush was not part of the plot this move made him look like he was in charge and doing something (and of course remain in the good graces of the Israeli lobby which stops at nothing to protect its illegal "homeland").

Tatarewicz posted on 2009-03-22 2:44:26 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#279. To: Rhino369 (#173)
The demolition hypothesis doesn't even make sense.

The main objective of the spectacular 9/11 false flag operation was to stampede America into a war with Afghanistan.
Bringing the towers down with explosives put insurance cash into Silverstein's pockets rather than having him spend more than the buildings were worth taking them down in an orderly, regulation fashion.
The US may have the best materials engineers, etc., but they were not given the chance to examine the crime scene; evidence was promptly and illegally removed and sent as scrap to China.
See in Freedom4um's 9/11 category: 9/llUAL 175 Plane on Radar AFTER It Has Crashed Into WTC MSNBC, particularly "Itistoolate's" link: http://how911wasdone.blogspot.com/

Tatarewicz posted on 2009-03-22 3:41:59 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#280. To: sneakypete (#265)
Saudi Arabia had EVERYTHING to gain from it. Saddam Hussein was never a threat to either Israel OR the US,but he was very much a threat to the House of Saud

Well Iraq is a different story. I'm talking about the general direction this country has taken since 9/11, and how Israel benefits from it.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-03-22 3:45:42 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#281. To: sneakypete (#265)
Sneak...I spent a whole 'nother thread being logical with them and it didn't work...
You're arguing with people who do not believe that a planes impact, exposion and ensuing fires caused more than even MINIMAL damage. IN some cases, some believe the planes were remote controlled. Now, they cannot tell you exactly HOW the Towers were brought down only that the catastrophy that we witnessed 9/11 wasn't enough.
You're also arguing with people who believe that a well financed international terrorist group doesn't exist.
Good luck, mon frer..

war posted on 2009-03-22 8:28:18 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#282. To: litus (#273)
He WAS the largest stockholder in Citi-Bank at one time. He could have sold his stock 10 years ago for all I know.
It's possible, however, that he did not.

It's possible he even owns more. After all,he IS the King now,and Citi-Bank was a part of the taxpayer bailout.

sneakypete posted on 2009-03-22 8:47:45 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#283. To: Rhino369 (#274)
Perkins v. Elg, 307 U.S. 325 (1939) The parents cannot remove a child's citizenship.
Indonesia sure seemed to think so,because they didn't (don't?) allow dual citizenships.
Because Americans weren't allowed to travel to Pakistan then as tourists.
Not true, it was just strong discouraged.
The government of Pakistan would issue tourist visas to American citizens traveling under an American passport back then? Remember,he was traveling as a tourist,not a journalist or employee of a business in Pakistan.

Because that is his name on the roster of the elementary school he went to in Indonesia.
Yes, school documentation from 1970's Indonesia is obviously much more official than Hawaiian certificates of live birth.
Which came first,the birth or the school enrollment?

sneakypete posted on 2009-03-22 8:51:37 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#284. To: sneakypete (#283)
Which came first,the birth or the school enrollment?

Also of note on that school enrollment form is that his place of birth is listed as Hawaii.

war posted on 2009-03-22 8:59:37 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#285. To: FormerLurker (#280)
Well Iraq is a different story. I'm talking about the general direction this country has taken since 9/11, and how Israel benefits from it.

If Israel benefits from it that result is secondary. The prime reason to invade Iraq was to protect Saudi Arabia in two ways. One,placing the blame for the attacks on Iraq instead of Saudi Arabia took the heat off them,and two,removing Hussein from power took the military pressure off them.
You watch,if you are still alive 20 years from now you will see King Abdullah in place as the King of Arabia/Middle Eastern Economic Zone Regional Manager,and Israel the banking center of the Middle East. All the Arab leaders may rant and rave about "those dirty,evil Jews!" to the illiterate goat-humper on the street,but when push comes to shove and they are looking for a place to bank their money,they hate and mistrust each other more than they do the Jews.

sneakypete posted on 2009-03-22 9:00:04 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#286. To: war (#281)
Yeah,I know. It's always a waste of time to argue with a true-believer about their religion.

sneakypete posted on 2009-03-22 9:01:28 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#287. To: war (#284)
Also of note on that school enrollment form is that his place of birth is listed as Hawaii.

I've never believed otherwise. It's the only thing that makes sense. After all,why would the father fly his honkie wife who was pregnant with his half-breed son all the way to Kenya for her to give birth,when his own father hated honkies and didn't want him to even marry her?
Not only that,but she was nothing more than a booty call to him anyhow. When he left Hawaii to go to Harvard he left her and his son behind and took up with and I THINK married another white woman while at Harvard.
The whole "born in Kenya" think never passed the logic test.

sneakypete posted on 2009-03-22 9:06:42 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#288. To: sneakypete, litus (#282)
[litus] He WAS the largest stockholder in Citi-Bank at one time.
[sneak] It's possible he even owns more. After all,he IS the King now,and Citi-Bank was a part of the taxpayer bailout.

I have a hard copy of Citi's major shareholders at work - and which I will check tomorrow - but I don't recall either Bush or Bush, Sr. as being on that list. There is a Saudi Arabian on the list, IIRC, but most of the major shareholders are pension plans and funds, again, IIRC. One of the Gulf Emirates, Abu Dhabi, took out a HUGE snick of C last fall...$7bln, I think.

war posted on 2009-03-22 9:08:13 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#289. To: sneakypete (#282)
Abu Dhabi Becomes Largest Citigroup Shareholder with $7.5B Investment, Bailout Comes Amidst Subprime Mortgage Crisis, Record-High Oil Prices

war posted on 2009-03-22 9:10:05 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#290. To: war (#288)
I have a hard copy of Citi's major shareholders at work - and which I will check tomorrow - but I don't recall either Bush or Bush, Sr. as being on that list.

We weren't talking about anybody in the Bush family. We were talking about members of the Saud family.

sneakypete posted on 2009-03-22 9:11:17 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#291. To: sneakypete, litus (#288)
Aha,.,,it wasn't Booosh but a Saudi Arabian you were referring too...sorry...carry on...

war posted on 2009-03-22 9:11:29 ET Reply Trace Private Reply

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