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Title: The thread that's changed its focus from the original title. Carry on ;)
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Published: Mar 21, 2009
Author: m e
Post Date: 2009-03-21 08:19:06 by Itistoolate
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#422. To: Rhino369 (#414)
A natural born citizen, per the understanding of the men that wrote the Constitution, is someone born on the country's soil of two citizen parents. Read Emmerich Vattel for the source of the Framers' understanding of the term. Obama's daddy's citizenship makes Obama ineligible.
Obama's a citizen, but not a natural born citizen. Neither am I, for the record. I've known that my entire life and so does Obama.
Eff the Bankers
bluegrass posted on 2009-03-22 15:13:57 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#423. To: bluegrass (#417)
An illegal and ineligible commander-in-chief of the military is a perfectly good reason to take up arms against an illegal government.

So what are you doing about it?

Rhino369 posted on 2009-03-22 15:14:14 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#424. To: litus (#415)
Jeff Sessions

I don't know a thing about him, but did he support the war in Iraq? The Patriot Act? The war in Afghanistan? Any of the wild spending by Jorge?

Jethro Tull posted on 2009-03-22 15:14:26 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#425. To: Rhino369 (#423)
Never mind me. What are YOU doing to stop an illegitimate government? Thus far, I've only seen you defend its existence.
Eff the Bankers
bluegrass posted on 2009-03-22 15:16:44 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#426. To: nooz (#419)
That was excellent. Thanks for the link. And a brand new word for my vocabulary.
Now I wonder if she draws a paycheck for being the First Lady.

You are most welcome, glad you liked it.
I have always thought that "First Lady" was pure bs--why would any man call someone else's wife "the first lady"? Some ah member of the press fawning over one of them for a story must have come up with that idiocy.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
James Deffenbach posted on 2009-03-22 15:17:15 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#427. To: palo verde (#336)
I think only Indie was better at it than you

Wells and eschoir are up there...

war posted on 2009-03-22 15:18:17 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#428. To: Jethro Tull (#424)
He led the charge to stop the illegal alien invaders obtaining amnesty when Jorge was throwing the gates of hell open upon America by them. Few others stood with him and against Bush and Congress on that at the time.
As far as his entire history in the senate, I'm certain that he isn't nearly as conservative as he should be....but you asked if any weren't fake.
I'll still say, imo, Jeff Sessions is one of those. Zell Miller is/was too.

litus posted on 2009-03-22 15:18:55 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#429. To: Rhino369 (#421)
There is no evidence that he is spending any money.

I will grant you that he probably isn't spending any of his own money but the rest of your post is just more bs. He won't even help his own brother, or half brother, who lives in Kenya on about a dollar a day. I don't know why you Obots think he is so wonderful.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
James Deffenbach posted on 2009-03-22 15:19:21 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#430. To: litus (#428)
Jeff Sessions is one of those. Zell Miller is/was too.

neocon / neocom bump

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara posted on 2009-03-22 15:20:23 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#431. To: James Deffenbach, Rhino369 (#341)
Yeah, that Magickal Jet Fuel™. Just takes a few drops apparently. No plane hit it but a few drops of the Magickal Jet Fuel™ must have splashed on it.

Dude....you know you have Douchensack™ when he starts responding with this nonsense...

war posted on 2009-03-22 15:20:31 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#432. To: bluegrass (#422)
A natural born citizen, per the understanding of the men that wrote the Constitution, is someone born on the country's soil of two citizen parents. Read Emmerich Vattel for the source of the Framers' understanding of the term. Obama's daddy's citizenship makes Obama ineligible.

Why do you assume Vitel was the founder source? He didn't write in English, and merely wrote about what he thinks a natural born citizen should be.
Natural born, has meant since the 16th century, inherent from birth. Oxford English dictionary has defined it that way since before the constitution was written.
So natural born citizen means citizen from birth.
At the time of the constitution someone who was born here not of two citizens wasn't a citizen, but that changed after the 14th amendment.
Think about it. Obama studied and taught constitutional law. Do you really think he'd write a book about his obviously non-citizen father and think he could get away with it. How did Obama run for president for about two years and nobody mention this?
How come this new definition only appeared when the Birthers couldn't find evidence of his foreign birth, and only a week before his election.
Use some common sense.

Rhino369 posted on 2009-03-22 15:21:10 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#433. To: Rotara (#430)
You believe both of them to be faux conservatives, as well?

litus posted on 2009-03-22 15:21:59 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#434. To: Rhino369 (#414)
http://www.theobamafile.com/ObamaNaturalBorn.htm

"Obama...
is not a "natural born citizen" because his father was a Kenyan national and a British subject. To be a natural born citizen, a person's parents must BOTH be citizens of the United States of America. Further, that person must be born in the United States.
is a "citizen" because his mother was an American citizen. There are question about his birthplace and whether he was naturalized after his period of time as an Indonesian citizen.
may be a "native born citizen" -- a child born in the United States of foreign (non-citizen) parents. He will have to release his birth certificate, which he hasn't, to ascertain this status. "
CHART aka Visual Aid
Further Reading

nooz posted on 2009-03-22 15:22:26 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#435. To: bluegrass (#425)
Never mind me. What are YOU doing to stop an illegitimate government? Thus far, I've only seen you defend its existence.

I don't think our government is illegitimate. Its got some major fucking problems, but nothing that we can't solve by electing better people.

Rhino369 posted on 2009-03-22 15:22:30 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#436. To: Rhino369 (#432)
How come this new definition only appeared when the Birthers couldn't find evidence of his foreign birth, and only a week before his election.
Use some common sense.

Why don't YOU use some "common sense" and tell us all why your hero won't produce his real birth certificate? Of course the reason you don't use any is because you don't have any.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
James Deffenbach posted on 2009-03-22 15:23:03 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#437. To: James Deffenbach (#429)
I will grant you that he probably isn't spending any of his own money but the rest of your post is just more bs.

The meanin of 'is'. F**king Otards.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara posted on 2009-03-22 15:23:49 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#438. To: James Deffenbach (#429)

I will grant you that he probably isn't spending any of his own money but the rest of your post is just more bs. He won't even help his own brother, or half brother, who lives in Kenya on about a dollar a day. I don't know why you Obots think he is so wonderful.

I'm not an Obot. I only want to see the world as it really is. Obama is the legal president, and recognizing that doesn't make me a fanatical Obama supporter. Just like me knowing Bush was the President didn't make me a bush bot.

Rhino369 posted on 2009-03-22 15:24:10 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#439. To: Rhino369 (#435)
I don't think our government is illegitimate.

uh huh.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
James Deffenbach posted on 2009-03-22 15:24:37 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#440. To: litus (#433)
You believe both of them to be faux conservatives, as well?

Pull up their voting records, look at our Constitution and you tell me ! ;-)

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara posted on 2009-03-22 15:24:56 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#441. To: nooz (#434)
Your chart is bullshit. Read the laws and opinions it cites, and nothing in them says what it claims.

Rhino369 posted on 2009-03-22 15:25:18 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#442. To: James Deffenbach (#436)

Why don't YOU use some "common sense" and tell us all why your hero won't produce his real birth certificate? Of course the reason you don't use any is because you don't have any

Because he doesn't have to, and gains nothing by doing so.

Rhino369 posted on 2009-03-22 15:25:48 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#443. To: nooz (#434)
maybe crayons would help them to understand more better

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara posted on 2009-03-22 15:26:18 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#444. To: Rhino369 (#438)
I only want to see the world as it really is. Obama is the legal president

(a) No, you don't, and (b) there is no way you can know that because the Obamasiah refuses to produce his birth certificate. Don't you feel foolish defending that?
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
James Deffenbach posted on 2009-03-22 15:26:22 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#445. To: litus (#428)
Sessions supported Bush on Iraq, Afghanistan and in most areas of "free trade." If that's a conservative to you, it's no wonder we have a lawn jockey as president.

Jethro Tull posted on 2009-03-22 15:26:52 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#446. To: Rhino369 (#442)

Why don't YOU use some "common sense" and tell us all why your hero won't produce his real birth certificate? Of course the reason you don't use any is because you don't have any
Because he doesn't have to, and gains nothing by doing so.

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAhahahahhahahahahahhaahahAHAHAHAHAaaahahhhaaaahahaha !

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara posted on 2009-03-22 15:27:03 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#447. To: nooz (#434)
To be a natural born citizen, a person's parents must BOTH be citizens of the United States of America.

Please cite the Title, Chapter and Section of the US Code to which you are referring.
Thanks...
Further, that person must be born in the United States.
We'll correct you on this one after you source US law on the former...

war posted on 2009-03-22 15:27:26 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#448. To: Rhino369 (#432)
Oxford English dictionary has defined it that way since before the constitution was written.

The OED wasn't around when the Constitution was written. Are there any other facts you're making up as you go along?
Eff the Bankers
bluegrass posted on 2009-03-22 15:30:05 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#449. To: Rhino369 (#442)
Because he doesn't have to, and gains nothing by doing so.

"He doesn't have to" sounds like a kid's argument--a retarded kid. He would have gained a few hundred thousand dollars, or at least not had to spend it (and it was probably someone else's so he really didn't care) if he would have simply produced the actual birth certificate. And I can only think of two reasons why he insists on keeping it hidden. Either it shows that he was not born in Hawaii as he claims or it may show that his father is not who he says. I can think of no reason, other than those two, why he would refuse to show it. But keep on defending him. I am sure he appreciates gullible stooges.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
James Deffenbach posted on 2009-03-22 15:30:14 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#450. To: James Deffenbach (#449)
I can think of no reason, other than those two, why he would refuse to show it. But keep on defending him. I am sure he appreciates gullible stooges.

Maybe it has Daddy's real name on there. ~(%^|

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara posted on 2009-03-22 15:32:11 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#451. To: Rhino369 (#435)
I don't think our government is illegitimate.

There's your problem right there.
Eff the Bankers
bluegrass posted on 2009-03-22 15:33:33 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#452. To: James Deffenbach (#426) (Edited)
I have always thought that "First Lady" was pure bs--why would any man call someone else's wife "the first lady"? Some ah member of the press fawning over one of them for a story must have come up with that idiocy.

Well I had to find out:

"First spouse or friend or what??
I think it sort of proves your point.
What happens if Queen Latifah becomes President someday? Hillary would have a cow.
edited.

nooz posted on 2009-03-22 15:33:44 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#453. To: bluegrass (#422)
Obama's a citizen, but not a natural born citizen.

Do you need to be reminded as to how resoundingly I bitch slapped you - to the point of humiliation - over this Moonbat belief?

war posted on 2009-03-22 15:34:55 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#454. To: bluegrass (#448)

The OED wasn't around when the Constitution was written. Are there any other facts you're making up as you go along?

You are right I'm sorry.
The Oxford English Dictionary lists it as being defined that since the 16th century. It didn't actually list it in 1790s because like you said it didn't exist.
I'm sorry for spreading false info.

Rhino369 posted on 2009-03-22 15:34:57 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#455. To: James Deffenbach (#449)

"He doesn't have to" sounds like a kid's argument--a retarded kid.

No its the simple truth. He doesn't have to and its not hurting him at all.

Rhino369 posted on 2009-03-22 15:35:31 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#456. To: Rhino369 (#455)

"He doesn't have to" sounds like a kid's argument--a retarded kid.
No its the simple truth. He doesn't have to and its not hurting him at all.

LOL LMAO !! STOP IT ALREADY !!! FOFLOL

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara posted on 2009-03-22 15:36:27 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#457. To: war (#453)
Link to the bitch-slap. As I recall, I gave you an education in Vattel and the writing of the Constitution.
Eff the Bankers
bluegrass posted on 2009-03-22 15:36:44 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#458. To: Rhino369 (#441)
Your chart is bullshit. Read the laws and opinions it cites, and nothing in them says what it claims.

You sound testy. Do you need a nap?

nooz posted on 2009-03-22 15:36:48 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#459. To: All, bluegrass (#454)

Rhino369 posted on 2009-03-22 15:37:03 ET (1 image) Reply Trace Private Reply
#460. To: nooz (#458)
You sound testy. Do you need a nap?

No I'm fussy cause I'm hungry.

Rhino369 posted on 2009-03-22 15:37:49 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#461. To: Rotara (#443)
maybe crayons would help them to understand more better

ROFL!

nooz posted on 2009-03-22 15:37:57 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#462. To: Rotara (#450)
Maybe it has Daddy's real name on there. ~(%^|

Yeah, that could be it.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
James Deffenbach posted on 2009-03-22 15:38:48 ET Reply Trace Private Reply

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