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Title: The thread that's changed its focus from the original title. Carry on ;)
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Published: Mar 21, 2009
Author: m e
Post Date: 2009-03-21 08:19:06 by Itistoolate
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#431. To: James Deffenbach, Rhino369 (#341)
Yeah, that Magickal Jet Fuel™. Just takes a few drops apparently. No plane hit it but a few drops of the Magickal Jet Fuel™ must have splashed on it.

Dude....you know you have Douchensack™ when he starts responding with this nonsense...

war posted on 2009-03-22 15:20:31 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#432. To: bluegrass (#422)
A natural born citizen, per the understanding of the men that wrote the Constitution, is someone born on the country's soil of two citizen parents. Read Emmerich Vattel for the source of the Framers' understanding of the term. Obama's daddy's citizenship makes Obama ineligible.

Why do you assume Vitel was the founder source? He didn't write in English, and merely wrote about what he thinks a natural born citizen should be.
Natural born, has meant since the 16th century, inherent from birth. Oxford English dictionary has defined it that way since before the constitution was written.
So natural born citizen means citizen from birth.
At the time of the constitution someone who was born here not of two citizens wasn't a citizen, but that changed after the 14th amendment.
Think about it. Obama studied and taught constitutional law. Do you really think he'd write a book about his obviously non-citizen father and think he could get away with it. How did Obama run for president for about two years and nobody mention this?
How come this new definition only appeared when the Birthers couldn't find evidence of his foreign birth, and only a week before his election.
Use some common sense.

Rhino369 posted on 2009-03-22 15:21:10 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#433. To: Rotara (#430)
You believe both of them to be faux conservatives, as well?

litus posted on 2009-03-22 15:21:59 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#434. To: Rhino369 (#414)
http://www.theobamafile.com/ObamaNaturalBorn.htm

"Obama...
is not a "natural born citizen" because his father was a Kenyan national and a British subject. To be a natural born citizen, a person's parents must BOTH be citizens of the United States of America. Further, that person must be born in the United States.
is a "citizen" because his mother was an American citizen. There are question about his birthplace and whether he was naturalized after his period of time as an Indonesian citizen.
may be a "native born citizen" -- a child born in the United States of foreign (non-citizen) parents. He will have to release his birth certificate, which he hasn't, to ascertain this status. "
CHART aka Visual Aid
Further Reading

nooz posted on 2009-03-22 15:22:26 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#435. To: bluegrass (#425)
Never mind me. What are YOU doing to stop an illegitimate government? Thus far, I've only seen you defend its existence.

I don't think our government is illegitimate. Its got some major fucking problems, but nothing that we can't solve by electing better people.

Rhino369 posted on 2009-03-22 15:22:30 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#436. To: Rhino369 (#432)
How come this new definition only appeared when the Birthers couldn't find evidence of his foreign birth, and only a week before his election.
Use some common sense.

Why don't YOU use some "common sense" and tell us all why your hero won't produce his real birth certificate? Of course the reason you don't use any is because you don't have any.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
James Deffenbach posted on 2009-03-22 15:23:03 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#437. To: James Deffenbach (#429)
I will grant you that he probably isn't spending any of his own money but the rest of your post is just more bs.

The meanin of 'is'. F**king Otards.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara posted on 2009-03-22 15:23:49 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#438. To: James Deffenbach (#429)

I will grant you that he probably isn't spending any of his own money but the rest of your post is just more bs. He won't even help his own brother, or half brother, who lives in Kenya on about a dollar a day. I don't know why you Obots think he is so wonderful.

I'm not an Obot. I only want to see the world as it really is. Obama is the legal president, and recognizing that doesn't make me a fanatical Obama supporter. Just like me knowing Bush was the President didn't make me a bush bot.

Rhino369 posted on 2009-03-22 15:24:10 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#439. To: Rhino369 (#435)
I don't think our government is illegitimate.

uh huh.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
James Deffenbach posted on 2009-03-22 15:24:37 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#440. To: litus (#433)
You believe both of them to be faux conservatives, as well?

Pull up their voting records, look at our Constitution and you tell me ! ;-)

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara posted on 2009-03-22 15:24:56 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#441. To: nooz (#434)
Your chart is bullshit. Read the laws and opinions it cites, and nothing in them says what it claims.

Rhino369 posted on 2009-03-22 15:25:18 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#442. To: James Deffenbach (#436)

Why don't YOU use some "common sense" and tell us all why your hero won't produce his real birth certificate? Of course the reason you don't use any is because you don't have any

Because he doesn't have to, and gains nothing by doing so.

Rhino369 posted on 2009-03-22 15:25:48 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#443. To: nooz (#434)
maybe crayons would help them to understand more better

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara posted on 2009-03-22 15:26:18 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#444. To: Rhino369 (#438)
I only want to see the world as it really is. Obama is the legal president

(a) No, you don't, and (b) there is no way you can know that because the Obamasiah refuses to produce his birth certificate. Don't you feel foolish defending that?
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
James Deffenbach posted on 2009-03-22 15:26:22 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#445. To: litus (#428)
Sessions supported Bush on Iraq, Afghanistan and in most areas of "free trade." If that's a conservative to you, it's no wonder we have a lawn jockey as president.

Jethro Tull posted on 2009-03-22 15:26:52 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#446. To: Rhino369 (#442)

Why don't YOU use some "common sense" and tell us all why your hero won't produce his real birth certificate? Of course the reason you don't use any is because you don't have any
Because he doesn't have to, and gains nothing by doing so.

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAhahahahhahahahahahhaahahAHAHAHAHAaaahahhhaaaahahaha !

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara posted on 2009-03-22 15:27:03 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#447. To: nooz (#434)
To be a natural born citizen, a person's parents must BOTH be citizens of the United States of America.

Please cite the Title, Chapter and Section of the US Code to which you are referring.
Thanks...
Further, that person must be born in the United States.
We'll correct you on this one after you source US law on the former...

war posted on 2009-03-22 15:27:26 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#448. To: Rhino369 (#432)
Oxford English dictionary has defined it that way since before the constitution was written.

The OED wasn't around when the Constitution was written. Are there any other facts you're making up as you go along?
Eff the Bankers
bluegrass posted on 2009-03-22 15:30:05 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#449. To: Rhino369 (#442)
Because he doesn't have to, and gains nothing by doing so.

"He doesn't have to" sounds like a kid's argument--a retarded kid. He would have gained a few hundred thousand dollars, or at least not had to spend it (and it was probably someone else's so he really didn't care) if he would have simply produced the actual birth certificate. And I can only think of two reasons why he insists on keeping it hidden. Either it shows that he was not born in Hawaii as he claims or it may show that his father is not who he says. I can think of no reason, other than those two, why he would refuse to show it. But keep on defending him. I am sure he appreciates gullible stooges.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
James Deffenbach posted on 2009-03-22 15:30:14 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#450. To: James Deffenbach (#449)
I can think of no reason, other than those two, why he would refuse to show it. But keep on defending him. I am sure he appreciates gullible stooges.

Maybe it has Daddy's real name on there. ~(%^|

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara posted on 2009-03-22 15:32:11 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#451. To: Rhino369 (#435)
I don't think our government is illegitimate.

There's your problem right there.
Eff the Bankers
bluegrass posted on 2009-03-22 15:33:33 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#452. To: James Deffenbach (#426) (Edited)
I have always thought that "First Lady" was pure bs--why would any man call someone else's wife "the first lady"? Some ah member of the press fawning over one of them for a story must have come up with that idiocy.

Well I had to find out:

"First spouse or friend or what??
I think it sort of proves your point.
What happens if Queen Latifah becomes President someday? Hillary would have a cow.
edited.

nooz posted on 2009-03-22 15:33:44 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#453. To: bluegrass (#422)
Obama's a citizen, but not a natural born citizen.

Do you need to be reminded as to how resoundingly I bitch slapped you - to the point of humiliation - over this Moonbat belief?

war posted on 2009-03-22 15:34:55 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#454. To: bluegrass (#448)

The OED wasn't around when the Constitution was written. Are there any other facts you're making up as you go along?

You are right I'm sorry.
The Oxford English Dictionary lists it as being defined that since the 16th century. It didn't actually list it in 1790s because like you said it didn't exist.
I'm sorry for spreading false info.

Rhino369 posted on 2009-03-22 15:34:57 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#455. To: James Deffenbach (#449)

"He doesn't have to" sounds like a kid's argument--a retarded kid.

No its the simple truth. He doesn't have to and its not hurting him at all.

Rhino369 posted on 2009-03-22 15:35:31 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#456. To: Rhino369 (#455)

"He doesn't have to" sounds like a kid's argument--a retarded kid.
No its the simple truth. He doesn't have to and its not hurting him at all.

LOL LMAO !! STOP IT ALREADY !!! FOFLOL

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara posted on 2009-03-22 15:36:27 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#457. To: war (#453)
Link to the bitch-slap. As I recall, I gave you an education in Vattel and the writing of the Constitution.
Eff the Bankers
bluegrass posted on 2009-03-22 15:36:44 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#458. To: Rhino369 (#441)
Your chart is bullshit. Read the laws and opinions it cites, and nothing in them says what it claims.

You sound testy. Do you need a nap?

nooz posted on 2009-03-22 15:36:48 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#459. To: All, bluegrass (#454)

Rhino369 posted on 2009-03-22 15:37:03 ET (1 image) Reply Trace Private Reply
#460. To: nooz (#458)
You sound testy. Do you need a nap?

No I'm fussy cause I'm hungry.

Rhino369 posted on 2009-03-22 15:37:49 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#461. To: Rotara (#443)
maybe crayons would help them to understand more better

ROFL!

nooz posted on 2009-03-22 15:37:57 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#462. To: Rotara (#450)
Maybe it has Daddy's real name on there. ~(%^|

Yeah, that could be it.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
James Deffenbach posted on 2009-03-22 15:38:48 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#463. To: Rotara (#456)
LOL LMAO !! STOP IT ALREADY !!! FOFLOL

You think discussion on sites like Freedom4um or FreeRepublic, and law suits by Berg, and Keyes mean anything in the real world?
You exist on the fringe of the political map, you must know that. It doesn't necessarily mean you are wrong, but if you don't realized you represent a tiny fraction of the American people how can you hope to actually do anything.

Rhino369 posted on 2009-03-22 15:39:34 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#464. To: war (#447)
Please cite the Title, Chapter and Section of the US Code to which you are referring.
Thanks...

Did you look at the chart?
Let's try it again. You need to actually click on the link and a whole new page will open up.
www.theobamafile.com/Oba maNaturalBorn.htm

nooz posted on 2009-03-22 15:39:56 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#465. To: Rhino369 (#454)
Why did the Framers use the specific term 'natural born citizen' instead of just citizen?
Eff the Bankers
bluegrass posted on 2009-03-22 15:40:46 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#466. To: nooz, war (#464)
Why can't you answer wars question?

Rhino369 posted on 2009-03-22 15:40:46 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#467. To: Rhino369 (#460)
No I'm fussy cause I'm hungry.

May I offer you some gubmit cheese?

nooz posted on 2009-03-22 15:41:04 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#468. To: bluegrass (#465)
Why did the Framers use the specific term 'natural born citizen' instead of just citizen?

Natural born is an adjective to describe the noun citizen.

Rhino369 posted on 2009-03-22 15:41:21 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#469. To: nooz (#467)

May I offer you some gubmit cheese?

I like the gubmit apple juice better.

Rhino369 posted on 2009-03-22 15:41:45 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#470. To: Rhino369 (#463)
I think that just because a mass of propagandized big statist government worshipers love their Nanny State it doesn't mean their Nanny State loves them.
In your 'real world' it doesn't pan out either.
Wake up or not, frankly I don't give a damn. At all. You don't have the sense that God gave a dog.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara posted on 2009-03-22 15:42:22 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#471. To: Rhino369 (#466)
Why can't you answer wars question?

I can, but it's plain as day on the chart, and further explained below. He yawned earlier, so he could be too tired to read it.
Maybe you can help him read it.

nooz posted on 2009-03-22 15:42:48 ET Reply Trace Private Reply

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