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Title: The thread that's changed its focus from the original title. Carry on ;)
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Published: Mar 21, 2009
Author: m e
Post Date: 2009-03-21 08:19:06 by Itistoolate
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#4. To: Itistoolate (#0)
It could just be that Goldi has gone away for the weekend and doesn't know the site is down,or that there has been an equipment failure of some sort and they are working on getting it fixed.
Or it could just be that she got tired of putting up with all the crap,and just pulled the plug. I doubt the last one,though. I think she would post a notice if she were going to do this.

sneakypete posted on 2009-03-21 9:21:48 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#8. To: sneakypete (#4)
Or it could just be that she got tired of putting up with all the crap,and just pulled the plug.

Crap????

Like the resident Jews whining and sniveling to her all the time about the horrible anti semites?????
I dont think so. Ass kissing goys make me and this forum sick.

Cynicom posted on 2009-03-21 10:00:21 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#22. To: Cynicom (#8)
Crap????
Like the resident Jews whining and sniveling to her all the time about the horrible anti semites?????

I guess it's all in the viewpoint. I see more Jew haters calling her names than I see Jews sniveling about anti-Semites.
BTW,I was called a anti-Semite there the day before the site went down,and it wasn't the first time. I see no evidence of the Jews and Israeli-Firsters there having any more influence with her than anybody else. In fact,she even banned Margueritte a couple of years ago under another of her screen names.

sneakypete posted on 2009-03-21 11:28:30 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#25. To: sneakypete (#22)
I guess it's all in the viewpoint. I see more Jew haters calling her names than I see Jews sniveling about anti-Semites.

Perhaps there is a thought...
You also like magician, Marge and the others see nothing but Jew haters.
If you look at LP, that is nearly all you see, people that see anti semitism under their bed, in the closet and are afraid to deal with it.
No one on LP has ever raised the specter of anti goyism, have you ever wondered about that Pete????
I can go on LP and demand we nuke the Arab world, and not ONE WORD of disapproval, from anyone, not one.

Cynicom posted on 2009-03-21 11:51:06 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#28. To: Cynicom (#25)
I can go on LP and demand we nuke the Arab world, and not ONE WORD of disapproval, from anyone, not one.

Missed this one.
I can't speak for anyone else,but you would hear protest there from me.
What you seem to be missing is most of the people there (and everywhere else) that cheer the suggestion we nuke the A-Rabs aren't Jewish. Most are Christians,if in name only. They are people who bought into the whole terrorism thing at face value,and they are scared.
BTW,I think that unless the NWO does take over we will eventually end up nuking several Muslim countries. It is inevitable that sooner or later some fundie Muslim group or another is going to get their hands on a nuke or a bio weapon,and use it to attack a major US city. Once that happens,all bets are off. Even I will be cheering to see the mushroom clouds over Arabia.

sneakypete posted on 2009-03-21 12:03:12 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#33. To: sneakypete (#28)
I think that unless the NWO does take over we will eventually end up nuking several Muslim countries. It is inevitable that sooner or later some fundie Muslim group or another is going to get their hands on a nuke or a bio weapon,and use it to attack a major US city.

Maybe that's why I thought you to be the enemy. Do you still buy the lie that fundie muzzies hit us on 9/11 without Bush's help?

Critter posted on 2009-03-21 14:31:12 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#76. To: Critter (#33)
Do you still buy the lie that fundie muzzies hit us on 9/11 without Bush's help?

It pained me to believe it so without reservation, but the complicity by purposeful neglect indicts the globalist Bush Administration puppetmeisters is obvious IMO.
Oh...And, no, I don't believe Bush himself was capable of masterminding a lemonade stand.

Liberator posted on 2009-03-21 20:32:36 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#78. To: F16Fighter (#76)
complicity by purposeful neglect

Ahhhh,but purposeful neglect is NOT the same thing as "being behind it".
I don't think they made any real effort to stop any potential attack,but that's not the same thing as saying they planned or encouraged one.

sneakypete posted on 2009-03-21 20:38:48 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#85. To: sneakypete (#78)
Ahhhh,but purposeful neglect is NOT the same thing as "being behind it".
I don't think they made any real effort to stop any potential attack,but that's not the same thing as saying they planned or encouraged one.

Gray area there, Pete.
I've made the case with respect to 9/11 as analogous to leaving the store door wide open and unguarded - along with an open cash register - then claiming no responsibility for the thievery.

Liberator posted on 2009-03-21 20:47:23 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#127. To: F16Fighter, sneakypete (#85)
I don't think they made any real effort to stop any potential attack,but that's not the same thing as saying they planned or encouraged one.
I've made the case with respect to 9/11 as analogous to leaving the store door wide open and unguarded -

If you both are going to say the WTC 1, 2 and 7 came down because of fire then you're both either very ignorant or trolls. There is too much evidence to the contrary to believe otherwise.
Once you believe that the collapses were helped by explosives, then you have to believe that the Bush administration was complicit.
And even if you can't see the physical impossibility of collapse by fire, you have to be able to see that no plane is going to fly into DC air space unidentified and unintercepted, without inside top level complicity.
So which is it? Ignorance? Or shilliness?

Critter posted on 2009-03-21 23:53:09 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#137. To: Critter (#127)
And even if you can't see the physical impossibility of collapse by fire, you have to be able to see that no plane is going to fly into DC air space unidentified and unintercepted, without inside top level complicity.

wonderfully succinct

christine posted on 2009-03-22 0:06:41 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#149. To: christine (#137)
And even if you can't see the physical impossibility of collapse by fire, you have to be able to see that no plane is going to fly into DC air space unidentified and unintercepted, without inside top level complicity.

Before 911,
a Logistics employee I am good friends with, for Fed Ex told me about a system of vectored red lights that DC had in place to warn of any unauthorized aircraft from even getting near the capitol, and if the craft did not turn around, anti aircraft weapons were at the ready.
He flys a lot Alot.
I believe him.
However I have never broached the subject of the 911 attacks - for reasons of just getting along. I think he has got to go along with the ruse.

tom007 posted on 2009-03-22 0:15:44 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#163. To: tom007 (#149)
What is more likely? Our domestic air defense systems were hopelessly unprepared, or our government set it up, then perfectly executed the plan? Shit during the Clinton admin, a plane hit the white house, on accident.
Our government is incompetent, that much is clear.
It can't even torture people in Iraq in secret, do you think they can pull off a 9-11 without anyone knowing? Probably not.
Our foreign policy caused 9-11, and silly conspiracy theories take away from learning the real truth. Playing chess with other nations has fucking consequences.

Rhino369 posted on 2009-03-22 0:27:33 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#196. To: Rhino369 (#163)
silly conspiracy theories take away from learning the real truth

Not only that,but those same conspiracy theories are LOVED by the government because it allows them to dismiss any questions about their conduct as being linked to "those insane conspiracy freaks".
Instead of helping the cause of freedom,all they are doing in hurting it and helping the government.
AND....it does no good at all to argue with them because they are obsessed with every little detail,and have reams of false "Facts" to back up their arguments. What makes it so hard to argue against any conspiracy theory is that the best ones are all believable because there is a basis in fact to all of them.
For example *I* am the one that started the conspiracy theory Hillary Clinton being behind the crash of JFK Jr's airplane and his death. I started this rumor on FR and used the fact that he had been talking about running for the same Senate seat ("his" family Senate seat) that she was running for,and this is the reason she had a had the airplane rigged to crash. Within a hour this was accepted as the gospel,and I was being called a DNC shill for saying it was made up,and a liar for saying I was the one who made it up. DESPITE the fact that the proof I was the one who made it up was right there on that very thread!
Everybody jumped on the one little fact about the Senate seat,and that was all they needed or wanted to hear.

sneakypete posted on 2009-03-22 1:08:19 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#223. To: sneakypete (#196)
Not only that,but those same conspiracy theories are LOVED by the government because it allows them to dismiss any questions about their conduct as being linked to "those insane conspiracy freaks".
Instead of helping the cause of freedom,all they are doing in hurting it and helping the government.
AND....it does no good at all to argue with them because they are obsessed with every little detail,and have reams of false "Facts" to back up their arguments. What makes it so hard to argue against any conspiracy theory is that the best ones are all believable because there is a basis in fact to all of them.

I agree which is why it pains me to see you buy the conspiracy theory about Obama being born in Kenya. How much legit criticism is being wasted on that silly theory?

For example *I* am the one that started the conspiracy theory Hillary Clinton being behind the crash of JFK Jr's airplane and his death. I started this rumor on FR and used the fact that he had been talking about running for the same Senate seat ("his" family Senate seat) that she was running for,and this is the reason she had a had the airplane rigged to crash. Within a hour this was accepted as the gospel,and I was being called a DNC shill for saying it was made up,and a liar for saying I was the one who made it up. DESPITE the fact that the proof I was the one who made it up was right there on that very thread!

I can believe it. The same thing happens on FR to this day. On the birth conspiracy, a person will merely guess about something, and then a day later its gospel until proven false. Its interesting to see how conspiracy theories form.

Rhino369 posted on 2009-03-22 1:35:51 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#240. To: Rhino369 (#223)
.....it pains me to see you buy the conspiracy theory about Obama being born in Kenya.

I don't think he was born in Kenya,and have never said I did.
I think he was born in Hawaii,but we won't know this for a fact until he releases the vault copy of his birth certificate,will we?
What I DO believe because it is an established FACT is that he was adopted by his step father and became an Indonesian citizen. Part of this process was rejecting his American citizenship. Despite what the Barry-Bots claim,his mother had the legal right to denounce his US citizeship.
I also know he travled to Pakistan as a Indonesian citizen as an adult,and his name was Barry Soetoro at the time. I also know there has been no explanation whatsoever about how or when he changed his name and obtained US citizenship again.
For all we know,he still had Indonesian citizenship.

sneakypete posted on 2009-03-22 1:53:01 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#253. To: sneakypete (#240)
What I DO believe because it is an established FACT is that he was adopted by his step father and became an Indonesian citizen. Part of this process was rejecting his American citizenship. Despite what the Barry-Bots claim,his mother had the legal right to denounce his US citizeship.

Its not debatable, a mother cannot denounce US Citizenship. It is also not established he was adopted.
travel.state.gov/law/citizenship/citizenship_776.html

I also know he travled to Pakistan as a Indonesian citizen as an adult,and his name was Barry Soetoro at the time. I also know there has been no explanation whatsoever about how or when he changed his name and obtained US citizenship again.

How do you know he traveled as an Indonesian citizen? How do you know what his name was?

Rhino369 posted on 2009-03-22 2:02:33 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#268. To: Rhino369 (#253)
Its not debatable, a mother cannot denounce US Citizenship. It is also not established he was adopted.
travel.state.gov/law/citizenship/citizenship_776.html

That wasn't the law when he was 7 years old.
How do you know he traveled as an Indonesian citizen?
Because Americans weren't allowed to travel to Pakistan then as tourists.
How do you know what his name was?
Because that is his name on the roster of the elementary school he went to in Indonesia.

sneakypete posted on 2009-03-22 2:15:09 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#274. To: sneakypete (#268)

That wasn't the law when he was 7 years old.

Perkins v. Elg, 307 U.S. 325 (1939) The parents cannot remove a child's citizenship.

Because Americans weren't allowed to travel to Pakistan then as tourists.

Not true, it was just strong discouraged.

Because that is his name on the roster of the elementary school he went to in Indonesia.

Yes, school documentation from 1970's Indonesia is obviously much more official than Hawaiian certificates of live birth. The school would have put down whatever he was registered as by his step father.

Rhino369 posted on 2009-03-22 2:32:07 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#347. To: Rhino369 (#274)
Yes, school documentation from 1970's Indonesia is obviously much more official than Hawaiian certificates of live birth.

Your hero, the Obamasiah, has not produced a "Certificate of Live Birth" but a CERTIFICATION. There is a difference.
The State of Hawaii, statute 338, allows foreign born children of Hawaiian residents to get a Hawaiian birth certificate. Mr. Obama has never presented any corroborating evidence that he was actually born in Hawaii. His paternal grandmother in Kenya and the ambassador of Kenya made statements that he was born in Kenya.

The image that Mr. Obama has posted on the Internet was not a valid birth certificate, but rather a limited value document, called Short Version Certification of Live Birth. The Certification of Live Birth does not name a hospital, name a doctor, have any signatures or a seal of the Hawaiian Health Department on the front of the document. This document is usually given to parties that don't have a proper hospital birth certificate and it is given based on a statement of one relative only. Even the state of Hawaii doesn't give full credit to these documents.

James Deffenbach posted on 2009-03-22 14:02:39 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#352. To: James Deffenbach (#347)

Your hero, the Obamasiah, has not produced a "Certificate of Live Birth" but a CERTIFICATION. There is a difference.

He isn't my hero, I didn't even vote for him. Certificate certification who gives a shit, its legal proof in any court of the circumstances of his birth. The name of it is truly irrelevant.

The State of Hawaii, statute 338, allows foreign born children of Hawaiian residents to get a Hawaiian birth certificate.

Not when Obama got his, and not one that lists his city of birth as Honolulu. Strike one.

Mr. Obama has never presented any corroborating evidence that he was actually born in Hawaii. His paternal grandmother in Kenya and the ambassador of Kenya made statements that he was born in Kenya.

The grandma story is a fake. The audio you birther truthers claim is about Obama's father. Strike two. How would an Ambassador know if Obama was born there? You think they have every birth stored in their memories. He is on record saying Obama wasn't born there.

The image that Mr. Obama has posted on the Internet was not a valid birth certificate, but rather a limited value document, called Short Version Certification of Live Birth. The Certification of Live Birth does not name a hospital, name a doctor, have any signatures or a seal of the Hawaiian Health Department on the front of the document. This document is usually given to parties that don't have a proper hospital birth certificate and it is given based on a statement of one relative only. Even the state of Hawaii doesn't give full credit to these documents.

That document is given to everyone who asks for a duplicate birth certificate. Everyone. Its fully legal, and is proof in any court of the circumstances of his birth, by Hawaiian law. And yes the state of Hawaii gives full credit to it. Strike Three.
What you are talking about is a native hawaiian program where you must prove that not only you were born in Hawaii but your parents where both born in Hawaii. In that case that document isn't allowed, not because it can't be trusted as being accurate, but because it doesn't list the city of his parents birth.
Like all conspiracy theorists you go out and try to find seeds of doubt to prove your forgone conclusion. And you can't even do that, so you must misrepresent what you find.
The document Obama has shown is just as legal as any birth certificate in the nation. He can use it to get a drivers license, passport, social security card, anything.

Rhino369 posted on 2009-03-22 14:12:41 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#353. To: Rhino369 (#352)
The document Obama has shown is just as legal as any birth certificate in the nation.

He just wants to protect his privacy by hiding the original, right?

bluegrass posted on 2009-03-22 14:14:24 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#356. To: bluegrass (#353)
He just wants to protect his privacy by hiding the original, right?

Who knows, maybe he lost it. Either way his original is going to match the certification of live birth so what is the difference?

Rhino369 posted on 2009-03-22 14:17:38 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#358. To: Rhino369 (#356)
Who knows, maybe he lost it.

According to Hawaiian officials, it's not lost. Obama's just spent a huge chunk of change making sure it stays out of sight.
But continue on with your faith and belief in yet another corrupt, narcissistic president.

bluegrass posted on 2009-03-22 14:20:00 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#366. To: bluegrass (#358)

According to Hawaiian officials, it's not lost. Obama's just spent a huge chunk of change making sure it stays out of sight.

Oh you mean why doesn't he get Hawaii to release the vault copy? Why should he respond to people who clearly hate his guts. I wouldn't respond to them either. He showed legal proof, and that is the end of the story for rational people. Would you guys really change your mind if he showed the original copy? Of course not. Your track record on believing wild claims with no evidence about Obama is clear. You hate Obama, and will believe anything that makes him illegitimate. Hey I understand I used to think that way. It has the bonus of keeping you guys focused on a dead end. You've already spent close to a year on a wild goose chase. Instead you could have been doing real investigative work on his past dealings in Chicago. I'm sure there is some corruption there. Instead you create vast conspiracies that involve some 18 year old liberal white girl flying to Kenya to have her baby, then sneaking him back just so her black baby can someday be President of the USA. Yea right...

Rhino369 posted on 2009-03-22 14:32:09 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#381. To: Rhino369 (#366)
Why should he respond to people who clearly hate his guts.

Ah yes, 'hate'. When out of rational arguments, let's bring emotion into the picture and muddy the waters.
Obama knows he's not legally eligible to be prez, hence his reluctance to show the original birth certificate. I can think of no other reason that he'd be so evasive on the issue.

bluegrass posted on 2009-03-22 14:50:55 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#384. To: bluegrass, Rhino369 (#381)
Ah yes, 'hate'. When out of rational arguments, let's bring emotion into the picture and muddy the waters.

Typical m.o., isn't it?

litus posted on 2009-03-22 14:53:42 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#392. To: litus (#384)
Utterly typical. Just as with the Bush worshippers, the tendency to defend Obama is based on emotion rather than reason.

bluegrass posted on 2009-03-22 14:58:05 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#399. To: bluegrass (#392)
Just as with the Bush worshippers, the tendency to defend Obama is based on emotion rather than reason.

The same thing was happening when Mitt Romney was running in the primaries...if you didn't want him, then you were accused of being a "mormon hater."
lol!

litus posted on 2009-03-22 15:01:50 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#402. To: litus (#399)
I hate Mitt Romney because he's a jerk.

bluegrass posted on 2009-03-22 15:04:50 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#404. To: bluegrass (#402)
I hate Mitt Romney because he's a faux conservative and a lying jerk.
: )

litus posted on 2009-03-22 15:05:23 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#413. To: litus (#404)
I hate Mitt Romney because he's a faux conservative and a lying jerk.

Who currently in congress or political life isn't a faux conservative?

Jethro Tull posted on 2009-03-22 15:08:13 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#415. To: Jethro Tull (#413)
I can think of maybe one at the moment....Jeff Sessions.

litus posted on 2009-03-22 15:08:52 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#424. To: litus (#415)
Jeff Sessions

I don't know a thing about him, but did he support the war in Iraq? The Patriot Act? The war in Afghanistan? Any of the wild spending by Jorge?

Jethro Tull posted on 2009-03-22 15:14:26 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#428. To: Jethro Tull (#424)
He led the charge to stop the illegal alien invaders obtaining amnesty when Jorge was throwing the gates of hell open upon America by them. Few others stood with him and against Bush and Congress on that at the time.
As far as his entire history in the senate, I'm certain that he isn't nearly as conservative as he should be....but you asked if any weren't fake.
I'll still say, imo, Jeff Sessions is one of those. Zell Miller is/was too.

litus posted on 2009-03-22 15:18:55 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#492. To: litus (#428)
I'll still say, imo, Jeff Sessions is one of those. Zell Miller is/was too.

excellent post, Litus
I agree with you
both very good men in my opinion
also Virgil Goode
Love, Palo

palo verde posted on 2009-03-22 16:16:24 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#495. To: palo verde (#492)
I don't need perfection. A resemblance of character, especially these days, would go far. I maintain those two gentlemen have that.
Unfortunately, the bulk in the Senate and House do not. I don't believe we will ever see anything but a rapid deterioration of this country as a result in the future.

litus posted on 2009-03-22 16:19:49 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#501. To: litus (#495)
I don't need perfection. A resemblance of character, especially these days, would go far. I maintain those two gentlemen have that.
Unfortunately, the bulk in the Senate and House do not. I don't believe we will ever see anything but a rapid deterioration of this country as a result in the future.

You read my mind
I too do not demand perfection, but an honest character means everything to me
I cannot abide corruption
and it matters to me that they want to serve the citizens, not special interests
if they have honest character and are honest public servants, they can be wrong on the issues
as long as it is honest mistakes
that is for me personally, let anyone else see those in our government anyway they want
there is no reason anyone else should see as I do
as for the future, I am among those who believe there will be a Planetary Awakening in 2012
so I see all corruption in government ending then
and enlightened government starting then, where we fulfill all the dreams our Forefathers had for us and far far more
Love, Palo

palo verde posted on 2009-03-22 16:33:35 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#507. To: palo verde (#501)
I am among those who believe there will be a Planetary Awakening in 2012
so I see all corruption in government ending then

2big2fail posted on 2009-03-22 16:44:51 ET (1 image) Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#510. To: 2big2fail (#507)
LOL!!!!
is that an ET ship
yup, I believe in ETs too
I am a new age flake in every way
Love, Palo

palo verde posted on 2009-03-22 16:56:45 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
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#511. To: All (#510)
The CATS are going to the Sweet 16
we just won!!
Hurrah! Hurrah! Hurrah!
Love, Palo
lol being on 4um is bringing me luck!
Now I want us to get into the Final 4

palo verde posted on 2009-03-22 16:59:30 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
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