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Title: The thread that's changed its focus from the original title. Carry on ;)
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Published: Mar 21, 2009
Author: m e
Post Date: 2009-03-21 08:19:06 by Itistoolate
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Comments: 2261

Officer Jack McLamb's shows:
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#498. To: litus (#496)
Explain why he'd rather expend thousands of dollars hiding his birth certificate, expend thousands of dollars fighting lawsuits, which would all end with a likely $5.00 fee for obtaining and producing a certified copy of his birth certificate?

Explain why you think he has spent thousands of dollars. Also explain how you go about getting a certified copy of his birth records. Since the Hawaii Vital Records only ships out the COLB.

Rhino369 posted on 2009-03-22 16:23:19 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#499. To: ALL (#1)
First the USS Liberty then Liberty Forum then Liberty Post.
Next is your/our 'Liberty'.

Itistoolate posted on 2009-03-22 16:25:57 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#500. To: Rhino369 (#498)
What is the Deal on this Birth Certificate
The constitution demands “natural born” so as to mitigate the possibility of “divided loyalties”

One can get a “Certification of Live Birth” with minimal documentation and no eyewitnesses. The date of birth can be any date the person enters! This document can then be used to establish citizenship for the purpose of obtaining a passport, but its lack of physically identifying information found on the "Certification Of Live Birth" precludes it from being useful in proving "Natural Born" status. I guess Obama thinks enough folks are so ignorant that he can get into the Whitehouse before too many find out.

The normal “Birth Certificate” or "Certificate of Live Birth" often but not always contains uniquely identifying information but always has testaments from eyewitness’s (doctor, nurse, orderly) and the specific location so that it is now verifiable and traceable. What Obama’s has displayed in NOT a Birth Certificate, Even if it is real, (there are some forensic experts who say the displayed cert has signs of tampering) it does not provide any kind of traceable proof. This is not the traceable-to-an-individual “Birth Certificate” most any other American would be able to show.
http://peoplespassions.org/peoplesvoice/Birth_Certificate.htm

litus posted on 2009-03-22 16:27:10 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#501. To: litus (#495)
I don't need perfection. A resemblance of character, especially these days, would go far. I maintain those two gentlemen have that.
Unfortunately, the bulk in the Senate and House do not. I don't believe we will ever see anything but a rapid deterioration of this country as a result in the future.

You read my mind
I too do not demand perfection, but an honest character means everything to me
I cannot abide corruption
and it matters to me that they want to serve the citizens, not special interests
if they have honest character and are honest public servants, they can be wrong on the issues
as long as it is honest mistakes
that is for me personally, let anyone else see those in our government anyway they want
there is no reason anyone else should see as I do
as for the future, I am among those who believe there will be a Planetary Awakening in 2012
so I see all corruption in government ending then
and enlightened government starting then, where we fulfill all the dreams our Forefathers had for us and far far more
Love, Palo

palo verde posted on 2009-03-22 16:33:35 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#502. To: All (#499)

Itistoolate posted on 2009-03-22 16:35:45 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#503. To: Rhino369 (#497)
First of all that is an unsubstantiated rumor. I've heard this claimed dozens of times but never once was one ever produced.
And finally that you could perjure yourself and get a birth certificate in 1904 Territorial Hawaii, has no bearing on whether you could do the same in 1961. At the time people were born at home and witness statements where the only way to address birth records. And it had flaws.
Obama and the state of Hawaii claim he was born there. Where is the evidence he wasn't?

Ah a distraction, rabbit hole move.
ROFL.
Obama has not presented a Birth Certificate which can clear up a number of questions.

nooz posted on 2009-03-22 16:38:06 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#504. To: nooz (#503)
Ah a distraction, rabbit hole move.

Why can't you back up your claims?

Rhino369 posted on 2009-03-22 16:39:51 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#505. To: bluegrass (#350)
The Feds are swamped as there's thousands of them now. I'm a leaderless decentralized cell of one. ; )

That is funny.
The leaderless cell concept are an adaptation from that the old Heinleinian novel, The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress, where a rebel lunar colony organized that way against the control of Earth. In that story, they were organized by threes.

TooConservative posted on 2009-03-22 16:42:20 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#506. To: litus (#500)
The normal “Birth Certificate” or "Certificate of Live Birth" often but not always contains uniquely identifying information but always has testaments from eyewitness’s (doctor, nurse, orderly) and the specific location so that it is now verifiable and traceable.

My birth certificate is signed and dated by the doctor who delivered me
plus I was interested to notice, the maternity hospital where I was born
(on East 15th Street in Manhattan)
had a different name then, than when I lived 10 blocks from it later on when I grew up
so the specific location is on my birth certificate too
it's actually an interesting document...
Love, Palo
it might also have on it what time my mom was admitted...

palo verde posted on 2009-03-22 16:44:14 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#507. To: palo verde (#501)
I am among those who believe there will be a Planetary Awakening in 2012
so I see all corruption in government ending then

2big2fail posted on 2009-03-22 16:44:51 ET (1 image) Reply Trace Private Reply
#508. To: Rhino369 (#504)
Why can't you back up your claims?

I believe I have. And quit asking stupid questions. You seem to have a reading comprehension problem and poor litus is having to walk it through FOR YOU in baby steps. As you mentioned earlier, you saw the chart I posted and called it bullshit. You have yet to explain how you determined that.
Unless you can discredit the source, or at least tell me that you challenged its accuracy by personally emailing the guy, then great, lay your facts out.

But the fact remains that Obama, by law, has to present a Birth Certificate. It's the law. Its not what you just happen to think it is for your convenience, it's just the law.

Wanna see something funny?

nooz posted on 2009-03-22 16:49:09 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#509. To: Itistoolate (#499)
...then Liberty Forum then Liberty Post

maybe forums have a natural life-span ?
the owner of Liberty Forum (John Deere) left years and years ago
I guess he just didn't want to be on his forum
he was a great guy!! one of the best!!
a beautiful liberty lover
and beautiful human being
as for Liberty Post, maybe Goldi just got fed up
but she would not have got fed up with nonsense
(forums always have nonsense on them, it comes and goes)
unless underneath she wanted to be free of it
we'll find out her true feelings if she puts it back up again
or lets it go
Love, Palo

palo verde posted on 2009-03-22 16:53:26 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#510. To: 2big2fail (#507)
LOL!!!!
is that an ET ship
yup, I believe in ETs too
I am a new age flake in every way
Love, Palo

palo verde posted on 2009-03-22 16:56:45 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#511. To: All (#510)
The CATS are going to the Sweet 16
we just won!!
Hurrah! Hurrah! Hurrah!
Love, Palo
lol being on 4um is bringing me luck!
Now I want us to get into the Final 4

palo verde posted on 2009-03-22 16:59:30 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#512. To: palo verde (#484)
this post is so logical, that something has to be fishy
I don't know what ?
you are right, it would have to be either the father is different
or he was not born here
what else could it be ?

I have tried to think of other reasons why he would refuse to produce it but those are the only ones I can come up with.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
James Deffenbach posted on 2009-03-22 17:21:47 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#513. To: nooz (#487)
Great post, nooz. You will never get through to the Obamasiah's worshipers even with that but it is good evidence for anyone who has more than two brain cells.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
James Deffenbach posted on 2009-03-22 17:24:52 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#514. To: palo verde (#488)
which is why, no matter what Obama does, will they change their mind?

Some of them may see the light when he institutes a draft/involuntary servitude and has them doing their "public service."
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
James Deffenbach posted on 2009-03-22 17:26:40 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#515. To: nooz (#434)
To be a natural born citizen, a person's parents must BOTH be citizens of the United States of America. Further, that person must be born in the United States.

So McStain was no more natural-born than Yomama.
I suspected this was the case.
There is something that is often missing from this discussion of NBC status, namely that it is a constitutional principle. However, a constitution is not itself a law so you have legislation which actually describes the particulars of how the concept of natural-born from the Constitution is applied. Of course, lots of people don't like that but that is how it functions.
To define 'natural-born' under the law, you have to consult the federal statutes, not the rather inexact language in the Constitution.
The law also has to be consistent with the Twelfth and Fourteenth Amendments. I notice a lot of the Birthers seem to be unaware of or in denial about the Fourteenth. If you look at the earliest law on the topic:

"...the children of citizens of the United States, that may be born beyond sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born citizens: Provided, That the right of citizenship shall not descend to persons whose fathers have never been resident in the United States." - Statutes at Large, 1st Congress, 2nd Session

So natural-born can be understood as strongly patrilineal. Yet, if the American mother of a foreign-born child is unmarried, that child has a much stronger case for being American than if the unmarried American father is. I assume this is so that American mothers can bring their children home but so that fathers (often servicemen overseas) can deny paternity obligations much more easily.
Anyway, we do have an example from the earliest congresses in which the Founders themselves served. Yet, they changed that same statute in 1795 to instead read that such children "shall be considered as citizens of the United States." which would denaturalize foreign-born children of U.S. citizens even though they would still be American citizens. Now this is how most Birthers do read it. Yet, they insist on ignoring (or claiming improper ratification) to deny the Fourteenth Amendment. The Fourteenth Amendment passed in part so that many blacks born in slavery could be considered full citizens though I'm still not sure they were natural-born.
I think a lot of people think being a citizen is one single thing when it clearly is not. There are natural-born citizens, there are birthright citizens, there are American nationals.
This whole issue is kind of piecemeal and varies over time to address various needs or special cases that arise from time to time. You can't really say that this country has ever had a really unified and consistent template for citizenship or natural-born status.

TooConservative posted on 2009-03-22 17:28:19 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#516. To: Rhino369 (#497)
Obama and the state of Hawaii claim he was born there. Where is the evidence he wasn't?

The evidence is the FACT that he has spent hundreds of thousands of dollars of someone's money--doubtful it was his--to keep the real birth certificate hidden.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
James Deffenbach posted on 2009-03-22 17:30:00 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#517. To: James Deffenbach (#513)
Great post, nooz. You will never get through to the Obamasiah's worshipers even with that but it is good evidence for anyone who has more than two brain cells.

Thanks James. It's worse than a shame though.

nooz posted on 2009-03-22 17:33:19 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#518. To: TooConservative (#515)
This whole issue is kind of piecemeal and varies over time to address various needs or special cases that arise from time to time. You can't really say that this country has ever had a really unified and consistent template for citizenship or natural-born status.

Yes it has.
Two American parents and on American soil -- simple as that.
This little page has been really helpful sorting out the arguments that have been in play, if you are interested.
www.theobamafile.com/Oba maNaturalBorn.htm

nooz posted on 2009-03-22 17:38:05 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#519. To: TooConservative (#505)
Leaderless Resistance by Louis Beam
Eff the Bankers
bluegrass posted on 2009-03-22 17:38:33 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#520. To: war, sneakypete (#281) (Edited)
Now, they cannot tell you exactly HOW the Towers were brought down only that the catastrophy that we witnessed 9/11 wasn't enough.

If you believe that a 110 story building (make that TWO 110 story buildings) can collapse in slightly more than free fall speed, then you must also believe that the tooth fairy is really the Easter bunny in drag.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-03-22 17:44:01 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#521. To: nooz (#487)
Sun Yat-sen was born on November 12, 1866, to a peasant family in the village of Cuiheng, Xiangshan county , Guangzhou prefecture, Guangdong province (26 km or 16 miles north of Macau), not Hawaii, as this document affirms.

Not really.
No one can prove he was born in China. His official birthplace is Hawaii.
The good news for Yomama is that if you ever get him impeached, convicted and deported is that he can still run for president of China.

TooConservative posted on 2009-03-22 17:46:52 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#522. To: TooConservative, nooz (#521)
president of China.

Yes he can, but Premier has a nicer ring to it ;-)

Refinersfire posted on 2009-03-22 17:50:24 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#523. To: litus (#496)
Explain why he'd rather expend thousands of dollars hiding his birth certificate, expend thousands of dollars fighting lawsuits, which would all end with a likely $5.00 fee for obtaining and producing a certified copy of his birth certificate?

It is a good way to get the Right fuming over it and discredit themselves with the rest of the public.
Birthers, meet Truthers. Yep, same thing to the general public.
American public opinion is remarkably uniform and the limit of debate is kept extremely narrow when you compare it to other western countries. This did not happen by accident and has been true since the founding of the nation.

TooConservative posted on 2009-03-22 17:52:15 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#524. To: TooConservative (#521)
Not really.
No one can prove he was born in China. His official birthplace is Hawaii.

That's pretty interesting. You should email that guy and have him clarify that. If you have a source to offer, I would think he would link to it. I've been going through some of his links. So far, only one 1 dead link, but I was able to validate the story (goofy as it sounds: -- 8,000 Beduins stake their claim as the lost tribe of Barack Obama (video)) by finding the same article referenced at about 6 other websites. The only problem was finding the referenced vid. Drat.

The good news for Yomama is that if you ever get him impeached, convicted and deported is that he can still run for president of China.
Well he does have a (half) brother that lives there.
See Brother Mark: www.theobamafile.com/ObamaFam ily.htm

nooz posted on 2009-03-22 18:00:48 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#525. To: Refinersfire (#522)
Yes he can, but Premier has a nicer ring to it ;-)

Man, you just won't give our Dark Messiah any respect, willya?
He be da president, whether of America or China or the entire world.
Someday soon, you'll learn that lesson in proper citizenship in a nice FEMA vacation camp. And you'll write letters home praising your camp "counselors" for all they've done to help you grasp these issues.

TooConservative posted on 2009-03-22 18:01:38 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#526. To: tom007 (#296)
Well OK Then, all one billion of them.

No,numbnuts,just the religious leaders and their fundie followers. The ones who just happen to be Muslim by birth and not conviction don't hate us.
The problem is they ain't the ones in charge anywhere.
Sadly,this has to be explained to you and 3rd graders.
All they hallmarks of an American ignorant bigot, so typical of citizen who should not have a passport.
Eat shit and die.

sneakypete posted on 2009-03-22 18:02:04 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#527. To: nooz (#524)
Well he does have a (half) brother that lives there.

I like the Hut Brutha much much better. Limbaugh was merciless on that, made me laugh.

TooConservative posted on 2009-03-22 18:03:19 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#528. To: Critter (#297)
Is that a roundabout admission that it wouldn't take hundreds of highly skilled workers several months to rig the towers for demolition?

No,but it wouldn't take hundreds and it wouldn't take several months. It probably would have taken a dozen or so experienced demo men between a couple of days to a week to get it all wired properly.
OR.....a couple of guys with enough C-4 packed into a tractor trailer parked in the basement to send it into low earth orbit.

sneakypete posted on 2009-03-22 18:07:21 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#529. To: TooConservative (#301)
I posted an objection to an antisemitic thread posted by this Mrs. Yukon.
I used to do that,but then decided to not give those loons the hits on their threads. If nobody ever responded to them they would just go away.
She replied and mentioned something about freedom4um and hinted she was at LP to make trouble.
I doubt that was true. I think "she" was just trying to start a food fight between LP and this forum, to see who would fall for it. She might have been a Leftie, might have been a Klown fallen on hard times.
I think you may be right about that.

sneakypete posted on 2009-03-22 18:10:13 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#530. To: TooConservative (#527)
I like the Hut Brutha much much better. Limbaugh was merciless on that, made me laugh.

It's an interesting collection of people that much is clear.
I'm digging it to see if he is related to Kevin Bacon.
If so, then perhaps, we can finally toss out anything in the Constitution that has to do with citizenship, loyalies, and so forth. If you are kin to Bacon, you're in. God knows Brock loves pork. (ba-dum-bum). Who needs laws anyhow.

nooz posted on 2009-03-22 18:10:57 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#531. To: Cynicom, TooConservative (#304)
By your own admission you report people for what you discern as anti semetic, this smacks of total censorship

No,posting to a anti-Semitic thread that you don't like the slant is merely expressing your opinion. That's not censorship. It's free speech.
I think most people find those threads to be nothing more than tiresome rants. Object to what somebody does or says,not who they are.

sneakypete posted on 2009-03-22 18:18:06 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#532. To: Cynicom (#306)
Sorry, that still smacks of censorship and not allowed here.

LOL! Are you tired or distracted? You almost have to be or you would realize that what you are championing is censorship of free speech when you say that "objecting to anti-semitic threads that are nothing more than rants is not allowed here."

sneakypete posted on 2009-03-22 18:20:34 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#533. To: sneakypete, Cynicom (#532)
LOL! Are you tired or distracted? You almost have to be or you would realize that what you are championing is censorship of free speech when you say that "objecting to anti-semitic threads that are nothing more than rants is not allowed here."

A liberal tactic, as well.

litus posted on 2009-03-22 18:24:43 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#534. To: bluegrass (#326)
I'm just trying to yank the chains of those that believe everything they see on the nightly news.

Are you trying to tell me my teebee would lie to me?

sneakypete posted on 2009-03-22 18:27:35 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#535. To: TooConservative (#329)
I find Stormfronters to be just as obnoxious and dishonest as the biggest neocon Zionist types.
I also find that both types rely on rumormongering, scaremongering, baseless accusations and such to promote their agendas.
No thanks. I'm not signing up for either side.

WELL SAID!

sneakypete posted on 2009-03-22 18:28:48 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#536. To: Rotara (#333)
I say 'unentangle' ourselves - decouple - and let them duke it out OVER THERE whilst we clean up the quisling mess OVER HERE. I don't care if the enemy within is from mars, all Traitors and foreign agents must leave or die. IMO ;-)

Works for me!

sneakypete posted on 2009-03-22 18:29:58 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#537. To: TooConservative (#523)
It is a good way to get the Right fuming over it and discredit themselves with the rest of the public.

When calling a spade a spade has become something to loathe, it certainly isn't to the discredit of the person stating the obvious or questioning authority. The people who are discredited are the ones who think it's somehow honorable to just shut up and not question fiction.

litus posted on 2009-03-22 18:32:21 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#538. To: Jethro Tull (#340)
I really,really,REALLY hate that guy. He IS every negative stereotype about Jews that has ever been uttered.
And what is so telling is that the vast majority of the Jews in the northeast seem to love him and think he is a genius. He would have to double his IQ to be as smart as a dog turd.

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