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Title: The thread that's changed its focus from the original title. Carry on ;)
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Published: Mar 21, 2009
Author: m e
Post Date: 2009-03-21 08:19:06 by Itistoolate
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#510. To: 2big2fail (#507)
LOL!!!!
is that an ET ship
yup, I believe in ETs too
I am a new age flake in every way
Love, Palo

palo verde posted on 2009-03-22 16:56:45 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#511. To: All (#510)
The CATS are going to the Sweet 16
we just won!!
Hurrah! Hurrah! Hurrah!
Love, Palo
lol being on 4um is bringing me luck!
Now I want us to get into the Final 4

palo verde posted on 2009-03-22 16:59:30 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#512. To: palo verde (#484)
this post is so logical, that something has to be fishy
I don't know what ?
you are right, it would have to be either the father is different
or he was not born here
what else could it be ?

I have tried to think of other reasons why he would refuse to produce it but those are the only ones I can come up with.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
James Deffenbach posted on 2009-03-22 17:21:47 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#513. To: nooz (#487)
Great post, nooz. You will never get through to the Obamasiah's worshipers even with that but it is good evidence for anyone who has more than two brain cells.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
James Deffenbach posted on 2009-03-22 17:24:52 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#514. To: palo verde (#488)
which is why, no matter what Obama does, will they change their mind?

Some of them may see the light when he institutes a draft/involuntary servitude and has them doing their "public service."
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
James Deffenbach posted on 2009-03-22 17:26:40 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#515. To: nooz (#434)
To be a natural born citizen, a person's parents must BOTH be citizens of the United States of America. Further, that person must be born in the United States.

So McStain was no more natural-born than Yomama.
I suspected this was the case.
There is something that is often missing from this discussion of NBC status, namely that it is a constitutional principle. However, a constitution is not itself a law so you have legislation which actually describes the particulars of how the concept of natural-born from the Constitution is applied. Of course, lots of people don't like that but that is how it functions.
To define 'natural-born' under the law, you have to consult the federal statutes, not the rather inexact language in the Constitution.
The law also has to be consistent with the Twelfth and Fourteenth Amendments. I notice a lot of the Birthers seem to be unaware of or in denial about the Fourteenth. If you look at the earliest law on the topic:

"...the children of citizens of the United States, that may be born beyond sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born citizens: Provided, That the right of citizenship shall not descend to persons whose fathers have never been resident in the United States." - Statutes at Large, 1st Congress, 2nd Session

So natural-born can be understood as strongly patrilineal. Yet, if the American mother of a foreign-born child is unmarried, that child has a much stronger case for being American than if the unmarried American father is. I assume this is so that American mothers can bring their children home but so that fathers (often servicemen overseas) can deny paternity obligations much more easily.
Anyway, we do have an example from the earliest congresses in which the Founders themselves served. Yet, they changed that same statute in 1795 to instead read that such children "shall be considered as citizens of the United States." which would denaturalize foreign-born children of U.S. citizens even though they would still be American citizens. Now this is how most Birthers do read it. Yet, they insist on ignoring (or claiming improper ratification) to deny the Fourteenth Amendment. The Fourteenth Amendment passed in part so that many blacks born in slavery could be considered full citizens though I'm still not sure they were natural-born.
I think a lot of people think being a citizen is one single thing when it clearly is not. There are natural-born citizens, there are birthright citizens, there are American nationals.
This whole issue is kind of piecemeal and varies over time to address various needs or special cases that arise from time to time. You can't really say that this country has ever had a really unified and consistent template for citizenship or natural-born status.

TooConservative posted on 2009-03-22 17:28:19 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#516. To: Rhino369 (#497)
Obama and the state of Hawaii claim he was born there. Where is the evidence he wasn't?

The evidence is the FACT that he has spent hundreds of thousands of dollars of someone's money--doubtful it was his--to keep the real birth certificate hidden.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
James Deffenbach posted on 2009-03-22 17:30:00 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#517. To: James Deffenbach (#513)
Great post, nooz. You will never get through to the Obamasiah's worshipers even with that but it is good evidence for anyone who has more than two brain cells.

Thanks James. It's worse than a shame though.

nooz posted on 2009-03-22 17:33:19 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#518. To: TooConservative (#515)
This whole issue is kind of piecemeal and varies over time to address various needs or special cases that arise from time to time. You can't really say that this country has ever had a really unified and consistent template for citizenship or natural-born status.

Yes it has.
Two American parents and on American soil -- simple as that.
This little page has been really helpful sorting out the arguments that have been in play, if you are interested.
www.theobamafile.com/Oba maNaturalBorn.htm

nooz posted on 2009-03-22 17:38:05 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#519. To: TooConservative (#505)
Leaderless Resistance by Louis Beam
Eff the Bankers
bluegrass posted on 2009-03-22 17:38:33 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#520. To: war, sneakypete (#281) (Edited)
Now, they cannot tell you exactly HOW the Towers were brought down only that the catastrophy that we witnessed 9/11 wasn't enough.

If you believe that a 110 story building (make that TWO 110 story buildings) can collapse in slightly more than free fall speed, then you must also believe that the tooth fairy is really the Easter bunny in drag.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-03-22 17:44:01 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#521. To: nooz (#487)
Sun Yat-sen was born on November 12, 1866, to a peasant family in the village of Cuiheng, Xiangshan county , Guangzhou prefecture, Guangdong province (26 km or 16 miles north of Macau), not Hawaii, as this document affirms.

Not really.
No one can prove he was born in China. His official birthplace is Hawaii.
The good news for Yomama is that if you ever get him impeached, convicted and deported is that he can still run for president of China.

TooConservative posted on 2009-03-22 17:46:52 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#522. To: TooConservative, nooz (#521)
president of China.

Yes he can, but Premier has a nicer ring to it ;-)

Refinersfire posted on 2009-03-22 17:50:24 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#523. To: litus (#496)
Explain why he'd rather expend thousands of dollars hiding his birth certificate, expend thousands of dollars fighting lawsuits, which would all end with a likely $5.00 fee for obtaining and producing a certified copy of his birth certificate?

It is a good way to get the Right fuming over it and discredit themselves with the rest of the public.
Birthers, meet Truthers. Yep, same thing to the general public.
American public opinion is remarkably uniform and the limit of debate is kept extremely narrow when you compare it to other western countries. This did not happen by accident and has been true since the founding of the nation.

TooConservative posted on 2009-03-22 17:52:15 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#524. To: TooConservative (#521)
Not really.
No one can prove he was born in China. His official birthplace is Hawaii.

That's pretty interesting. You should email that guy and have him clarify that. If you have a source to offer, I would think he would link to it. I've been going through some of his links. So far, only one 1 dead link, but I was able to validate the story (goofy as it sounds: -- 8,000 Beduins stake their claim as the lost tribe of Barack Obama (video)) by finding the same article referenced at about 6 other websites. The only problem was finding the referenced vid. Drat.

The good news for Yomama is that if you ever get him impeached, convicted and deported is that he can still run for president of China.
Well he does have a (half) brother that lives there.
See Brother Mark: www.theobamafile.com/ObamaFam ily.htm

nooz posted on 2009-03-22 18:00:48 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#525. To: Refinersfire (#522)
Yes he can, but Premier has a nicer ring to it ;-)

Man, you just won't give our Dark Messiah any respect, willya?
He be da president, whether of America or China or the entire world.
Someday soon, you'll learn that lesson in proper citizenship in a nice FEMA vacation camp. And you'll write letters home praising your camp "counselors" for all they've done to help you grasp these issues.

TooConservative posted on 2009-03-22 18:01:38 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#526. To: tom007 (#296)
Well OK Then, all one billion of them.

No,numbnuts,just the religious leaders and their fundie followers. The ones who just happen to be Muslim by birth and not conviction don't hate us.
The problem is they ain't the ones in charge anywhere.
Sadly,this has to be explained to you and 3rd graders.
All they hallmarks of an American ignorant bigot, so typical of citizen who should not have a passport.
Eat shit and die.

sneakypete posted on 2009-03-22 18:02:04 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#527. To: nooz (#524)
Well he does have a (half) brother that lives there.

I like the Hut Brutha much much better. Limbaugh was merciless on that, made me laugh.

TooConservative posted on 2009-03-22 18:03:19 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#528. To: Critter (#297)
Is that a roundabout admission that it wouldn't take hundreds of highly skilled workers several months to rig the towers for demolition?

No,but it wouldn't take hundreds and it wouldn't take several months. It probably would have taken a dozen or so experienced demo men between a couple of days to a week to get it all wired properly.
OR.....a couple of guys with enough C-4 packed into a tractor trailer parked in the basement to send it into low earth orbit.

sneakypete posted on 2009-03-22 18:07:21 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#529. To: TooConservative (#301)
I posted an objection to an antisemitic thread posted by this Mrs. Yukon.
I used to do that,but then decided to not give those loons the hits on their threads. If nobody ever responded to them they would just go away.
She replied and mentioned something about freedom4um and hinted she was at LP to make trouble.
I doubt that was true. I think "she" was just trying to start a food fight between LP and this forum, to see who would fall for it. She might have been a Leftie, might have been a Klown fallen on hard times.
I think you may be right about that.

sneakypete posted on 2009-03-22 18:10:13 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#530. To: TooConservative (#527)
I like the Hut Brutha much much better. Limbaugh was merciless on that, made me laugh.

It's an interesting collection of people that much is clear.
I'm digging it to see if he is related to Kevin Bacon.
If so, then perhaps, we can finally toss out anything in the Constitution that has to do with citizenship, loyalies, and so forth. If you are kin to Bacon, you're in. God knows Brock loves pork. (ba-dum-bum). Who needs laws anyhow.

nooz posted on 2009-03-22 18:10:57 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#531. To: Cynicom, TooConservative (#304)
By your own admission you report people for what you discern as anti semetic, this smacks of total censorship

No,posting to a anti-Semitic thread that you don't like the slant is merely expressing your opinion. That's not censorship. It's free speech.
I think most people find those threads to be nothing more than tiresome rants. Object to what somebody does or says,not who they are.

sneakypete posted on 2009-03-22 18:18:06 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#532. To: Cynicom (#306)
Sorry, that still smacks of censorship and not allowed here.

LOL! Are you tired or distracted? You almost have to be or you would realize that what you are championing is censorship of free speech when you say that "objecting to anti-semitic threads that are nothing more than rants is not allowed here."

sneakypete posted on 2009-03-22 18:20:34 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#533. To: sneakypete, Cynicom (#532)
LOL! Are you tired or distracted? You almost have to be or you would realize that what you are championing is censorship of free speech when you say that "objecting to anti-semitic threads that are nothing more than rants is not allowed here."

A liberal tactic, as well.

litus posted on 2009-03-22 18:24:43 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#534. To: bluegrass (#326)
I'm just trying to yank the chains of those that believe everything they see on the nightly news.

Are you trying to tell me my teebee would lie to me?

sneakypete posted on 2009-03-22 18:27:35 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#535. To: TooConservative (#329)
I find Stormfronters to be just as obnoxious and dishonest as the biggest neocon Zionist types.
I also find that both types rely on rumormongering, scaremongering, baseless accusations and such to promote their agendas.
No thanks. I'm not signing up for either side.

WELL SAID!

sneakypete posted on 2009-03-22 18:28:48 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#536. To: Rotara (#333)
I say 'unentangle' ourselves - decouple - and let them duke it out OVER THERE whilst we clean up the quisling mess OVER HERE. I don't care if the enemy within is from mars, all Traitors and foreign agents must leave or die. IMO ;-)

Works for me!

sneakypete posted on 2009-03-22 18:29:58 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#537. To: TooConservative (#523)
It is a good way to get the Right fuming over it and discredit themselves with the rest of the public.

When calling a spade a spade has become something to loathe, it certainly isn't to the discredit of the person stating the obvious or questioning authority. The people who are discredited are the ones who think it's somehow honorable to just shut up and not question fiction.

litus posted on 2009-03-22 18:32:21 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#538. To: Jethro Tull (#340)
I really,really,REALLY hate that guy. He IS every negative stereotype about Jews that has ever been uttered.
And what is so telling is that the vast majority of the Jews in the northeast seem to love him and think he is a genius. He would have to double his IQ to be as smart as a dog turd.

sneakypete posted on 2009-03-22 18:32:44 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#539. To: bluegrass (#343)
I've never understood why Sasha Cohen is famous.

Because he ridicules Christians.

sneakypete posted on 2009-03-22 18:33:51 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#540. To: sneakypete, Cynicom, litus (#535)
WELL SAID!

Thanks, pete. I see your lifeboat made it over here to 4um as well.
I did enjoy how my simple descriptive post (which was actually on-topic) was met with repeated veiled threats of "grief" by someone claiming to defend free speech.
I was tempted to hand out one of my coveted Princess Of Irony plaques to Cynicom but I've begun to suspect that people are just trying to score one of these beauties for their very own. Or to sell for big money on eBay.

TooConservative posted on 2009-03-22 18:36:24 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#541. To: Rhino369 (#376)
You can use the exact document Obama has to get a passport. That is a fucking fact.

I couldn't. Not even when I got my first one in 1965,or my most recent one in 1991. I was required to present a certified true copy of my birth certificate each time.

sneakypete posted on 2009-03-22 18:40:10 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#542. To: Refinersfire (#522)
Yes he can, but Premier has a nicer ring to it ;-)

You mean, he doesn't even have to live there first? If that's the case, let's suggest he start running for Premier right now. He's been in this job too long already. He can just say, I know, I've been her 56 days or whatever, and that's not a lot of time sure, but the world needs a change and so I've decided that the problems are too big for me to focus on one tiny little nation of crabgrass and whiners. My record as it stands, has bankrupted that bitter little splotch of dirt in no time at all. I have no standards, I have no papers, I have zero loyalty to anything but tellyprompter 1 and 2. Therefore and without further ado, I, Barry Soetero Baracka Barack Chung Hunseng Husseien Obama McCoy Jackie Chan Tung Patel Hallogen Spritely X, have decided to run for Galactic World Leader. My lovely wife 'Mi' is designing her crown as we speak, and my two biological offsprungs are prepared to wave and snicker at your poor. What we have always said, is a world without bitterness is less offensive. You're welcome world.

nooz posted on 2009-03-22 18:43:03 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#543. To: Jethro Tull (#413)
Who currently in congress or political life isn't a faux conservative?

Walter Jones,R-NC.

sneakypete posted on 2009-03-22 18:45:11 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#544. To: James Deffenbach (#416)
What isn't obvious is WHY won't he produce an actual birth certificate?

There are some people who think the reason is because the father named on the birth certificate isn't named Obama.
I don't know what to think myself,other than the obvious fact there is SOMETHING fishy about it or he would have produced it long ago.

sneakypete posted on 2009-03-22 18:46:54 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#545. To: nooz (#542)
You mean, he doesn't even have to live there first? If that's the case, let's suggest he start running for Premier right now.

I'm willing to make the sacrifice.
Wait a second. Wouldn't that mean President Biden and his charming hairplugs? Or President McStain and his MILFy wife? Or President Bela Pelosi?
Yeow. We are so screwed.

TooConservative posted on 2009-03-22 18:48:27 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#546. To: sneakypete (#541)
I was required to present a certified true copy of my birth certificate each time.

That's only because you're a white man.
No, really, I'm quite serious.

TooConservative posted on 2009-03-22 18:49:51 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#547. To: TooConservative (#545)
I'm willing to make the sacrifice.

I'm in.
Wait a second. Wouldn't that mean President Biden and his charming hairplugs? Or President McStain and his MILFy wife? Or President Bela Pelosi?
Barf.
Yeow. We are so screwed.
It appears it's just getting started.

nooz posted on 2009-03-22 18:57:09 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#548. To: TooConservative (#546)
That's only because you're a white man.

Actually,I'm not. I'm a feather Indian. Not full-blooded,but enough to legally qualify.
Which is one reason I think it's hilarious when idiots accuse me of being a Kluxxer or skinhead neo-Nazi.
Remember the active duty USMC SSG on FR that was a white guy who was married to a black woman? Every once in a while somebody would call HIM a racist,too. Can't remember his name right now,but he was one of the good guys there.

sneakypete posted on 2009-03-22 19:00:36 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#549. To: sneakypete (#548)
Ferret Mike????

Cynicom posted on 2009-03-22 19:07:23 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#550. To: FormerLurker (#520)
Helloo...McFly...anyone home McFly??
You were linked to a report and a graph that makes your characterization look stupid. Yet there you go again.

war posted on 2009-03-22 19:10:29 ET Reply Trace Private Reply

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