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Title: The thread that's changed its focus from the original title. Carry on ;)
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Published: Mar 21, 2009
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Post Date: 2009-03-21 08:19:06 by Itistoolate
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#518. To: TooConservative (#515)
This whole issue is kind of piecemeal and varies over time to address various needs or special cases that arise from time to time. You can't really say that this country has ever had a really unified and consistent template for citizenship or natural-born status.

Yes it has.
Two American parents and on American soil -- simple as that.
This little page has been really helpful sorting out the arguments that have been in play, if you are interested.
www.theobamafile.com/Oba maNaturalBorn.htm

nooz posted on 2009-03-22 17:38:05 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#519. To: TooConservative (#505)
Leaderless Resistance by Louis Beam
Eff the Bankers
bluegrass posted on 2009-03-22 17:38:33 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#520. To: war, sneakypete (#281) (Edited)
Now, they cannot tell you exactly HOW the Towers were brought down only that the catastrophy that we witnessed 9/11 wasn't enough.

If you believe that a 110 story building (make that TWO 110 story buildings) can collapse in slightly more than free fall speed, then you must also believe that the tooth fairy is really the Easter bunny in drag.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-03-22 17:44:01 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#521. To: nooz (#487)
Sun Yat-sen was born on November 12, 1866, to a peasant family in the village of Cuiheng, Xiangshan county , Guangzhou prefecture, Guangdong province (26 km or 16 miles north of Macau), not Hawaii, as this document affirms.

Not really.
No one can prove he was born in China. His official birthplace is Hawaii.
The good news for Yomama is that if you ever get him impeached, convicted and deported is that he can still run for president of China.

TooConservative posted on 2009-03-22 17:46:52 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#522. To: TooConservative, nooz (#521)
president of China.

Yes he can, but Premier has a nicer ring to it ;-)

Refinersfire posted on 2009-03-22 17:50:24 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#523. To: litus (#496)
Explain why he'd rather expend thousands of dollars hiding his birth certificate, expend thousands of dollars fighting lawsuits, which would all end with a likely $5.00 fee for obtaining and producing a certified copy of his birth certificate?

It is a good way to get the Right fuming over it and discredit themselves with the rest of the public.
Birthers, meet Truthers. Yep, same thing to the general public.
American public opinion is remarkably uniform and the limit of debate is kept extremely narrow when you compare it to other western countries. This did not happen by accident and has been true since the founding of the nation.

TooConservative posted on 2009-03-22 17:52:15 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#524. To: TooConservative (#521)
Not really.
No one can prove he was born in China. His official birthplace is Hawaii.

That's pretty interesting. You should email that guy and have him clarify that. If you have a source to offer, I would think he would link to it. I've been going through some of his links. So far, only one 1 dead link, but I was able to validate the story (goofy as it sounds: -- 8,000 Beduins stake their claim as the lost tribe of Barack Obama (video)) by finding the same article referenced at about 6 other websites. The only problem was finding the referenced vid. Drat.

The good news for Yomama is that if you ever get him impeached, convicted and deported is that he can still run for president of China.
Well he does have a (half) brother that lives there.
See Brother Mark: www.theobamafile.com/ObamaFam ily.htm

nooz posted on 2009-03-22 18:00:48 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#525. To: Refinersfire (#522)
Yes he can, but Premier has a nicer ring to it ;-)

Man, you just won't give our Dark Messiah any respect, willya?
He be da president, whether of America or China or the entire world.
Someday soon, you'll learn that lesson in proper citizenship in a nice FEMA vacation camp. And you'll write letters home praising your camp "counselors" for all they've done to help you grasp these issues.

TooConservative posted on 2009-03-22 18:01:38 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#526. To: tom007 (#296)
Well OK Then, all one billion of them.

No,numbnuts,just the religious leaders and their fundie followers. The ones who just happen to be Muslim by birth and not conviction don't hate us.
The problem is they ain't the ones in charge anywhere.
Sadly,this has to be explained to you and 3rd graders.
All they hallmarks of an American ignorant bigot, so typical of citizen who should not have a passport.
Eat shit and die.

sneakypete posted on 2009-03-22 18:02:04 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#527. To: nooz (#524)
Well he does have a (half) brother that lives there.

I like the Hut Brutha much much better. Limbaugh was merciless on that, made me laugh.

TooConservative posted on 2009-03-22 18:03:19 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#528. To: Critter (#297)
Is that a roundabout admission that it wouldn't take hundreds of highly skilled workers several months to rig the towers for demolition?

No,but it wouldn't take hundreds and it wouldn't take several months. It probably would have taken a dozen or so experienced demo men between a couple of days to a week to get it all wired properly.
OR.....a couple of guys with enough C-4 packed into a tractor trailer parked in the basement to send it into low earth orbit.

sneakypete posted on 2009-03-22 18:07:21 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#529. To: TooConservative (#301)
I posted an objection to an antisemitic thread posted by this Mrs. Yukon.
I used to do that,but then decided to not give those loons the hits on their threads. If nobody ever responded to them they would just go away.
She replied and mentioned something about freedom4um and hinted she was at LP to make trouble.
I doubt that was true. I think "she" was just trying to start a food fight between LP and this forum, to see who would fall for it. She might have been a Leftie, might have been a Klown fallen on hard times.
I think you may be right about that.

sneakypete posted on 2009-03-22 18:10:13 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#530. To: TooConservative (#527)
I like the Hut Brutha much much better. Limbaugh was merciless on that, made me laugh.

It's an interesting collection of people that much is clear.
I'm digging it to see if he is related to Kevin Bacon.
If so, then perhaps, we can finally toss out anything in the Constitution that has to do with citizenship, loyalies, and so forth. If you are kin to Bacon, you're in. God knows Brock loves pork. (ba-dum-bum). Who needs laws anyhow.

nooz posted on 2009-03-22 18:10:57 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#531. To: Cynicom, TooConservative (#304)
By your own admission you report people for what you discern as anti semetic, this smacks of total censorship

No,posting to a anti-Semitic thread that you don't like the slant is merely expressing your opinion. That's not censorship. It's free speech.
I think most people find those threads to be nothing more than tiresome rants. Object to what somebody does or says,not who they are.

sneakypete posted on 2009-03-22 18:18:06 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#532. To: Cynicom (#306)
Sorry, that still smacks of censorship and not allowed here.

LOL! Are you tired or distracted? You almost have to be or you would realize that what you are championing is censorship of free speech when you say that "objecting to anti-semitic threads that are nothing more than rants is not allowed here."

sneakypete posted on 2009-03-22 18:20:34 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#533. To: sneakypete, Cynicom (#532)
LOL! Are you tired or distracted? You almost have to be or you would realize that what you are championing is censorship of free speech when you say that "objecting to anti-semitic threads that are nothing more than rants is not allowed here."

A liberal tactic, as well.

litus posted on 2009-03-22 18:24:43 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#534. To: bluegrass (#326)
I'm just trying to yank the chains of those that believe everything they see on the nightly news.

Are you trying to tell me my teebee would lie to me?

sneakypete posted on 2009-03-22 18:27:35 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#535. To: TooConservative (#329)
I find Stormfronters to be just as obnoxious and dishonest as the biggest neocon Zionist types.
I also find that both types rely on rumormongering, scaremongering, baseless accusations and such to promote their agendas.
No thanks. I'm not signing up for either side.

WELL SAID!

sneakypete posted on 2009-03-22 18:28:48 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#536. To: Rotara (#333)
I say 'unentangle' ourselves - decouple - and let them duke it out OVER THERE whilst we clean up the quisling mess OVER HERE. I don't care if the enemy within is from mars, all Traitors and foreign agents must leave or die. IMO ;-)

Works for me!

sneakypete posted on 2009-03-22 18:29:58 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#537. To: TooConservative (#523)
It is a good way to get the Right fuming over it and discredit themselves with the rest of the public.

When calling a spade a spade has become something to loathe, it certainly isn't to the discredit of the person stating the obvious or questioning authority. The people who are discredited are the ones who think it's somehow honorable to just shut up and not question fiction.

litus posted on 2009-03-22 18:32:21 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#538. To: Jethro Tull (#340)
I really,really,REALLY hate that guy. He IS every negative stereotype about Jews that has ever been uttered.
And what is so telling is that the vast majority of the Jews in the northeast seem to love him and think he is a genius. He would have to double his IQ to be as smart as a dog turd.

sneakypete posted on 2009-03-22 18:32:44 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#539. To: bluegrass (#343)
I've never understood why Sasha Cohen is famous.

Because he ridicules Christians.

sneakypete posted on 2009-03-22 18:33:51 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#540. To: sneakypete, Cynicom, litus (#535)
WELL SAID!

Thanks, pete. I see your lifeboat made it over here to 4um as well.
I did enjoy how my simple descriptive post (which was actually on-topic) was met with repeated veiled threats of "grief" by someone claiming to defend free speech.
I was tempted to hand out one of my coveted Princess Of Irony plaques to Cynicom but I've begun to suspect that people are just trying to score one of these beauties for their very own. Or to sell for big money on eBay.

TooConservative posted on 2009-03-22 18:36:24 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#541. To: Rhino369 (#376)
You can use the exact document Obama has to get a passport. That is a fucking fact.

I couldn't. Not even when I got my first one in 1965,or my most recent one in 1991. I was required to present a certified true copy of my birth certificate each time.

sneakypete posted on 2009-03-22 18:40:10 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#542. To: Refinersfire (#522)
Yes he can, but Premier has a nicer ring to it ;-)

You mean, he doesn't even have to live there first? If that's the case, let's suggest he start running for Premier right now. He's been in this job too long already. He can just say, I know, I've been her 56 days or whatever, and that's not a lot of time sure, but the world needs a change and so I've decided that the problems are too big for me to focus on one tiny little nation of crabgrass and whiners. My record as it stands, has bankrupted that bitter little splotch of dirt in no time at all. I have no standards, I have no papers, I have zero loyalty to anything but tellyprompter 1 and 2. Therefore and without further ado, I, Barry Soetero Baracka Barack Chung Hunseng Husseien Obama McCoy Jackie Chan Tung Patel Hallogen Spritely X, have decided to run for Galactic World Leader. My lovely wife 'Mi' is designing her crown as we speak, and my two biological offsprungs are prepared to wave and snicker at your poor. What we have always said, is a world without bitterness is less offensive. You're welcome world.

nooz posted on 2009-03-22 18:43:03 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#543. To: Jethro Tull (#413)
Who currently in congress or political life isn't a faux conservative?

Walter Jones,R-NC.

sneakypete posted on 2009-03-22 18:45:11 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#544. To: James Deffenbach (#416)
What isn't obvious is WHY won't he produce an actual birth certificate?

There are some people who think the reason is because the father named on the birth certificate isn't named Obama.
I don't know what to think myself,other than the obvious fact there is SOMETHING fishy about it or he would have produced it long ago.

sneakypete posted on 2009-03-22 18:46:54 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#545. To: nooz (#542)
You mean, he doesn't even have to live there first? If that's the case, let's suggest he start running for Premier right now.

I'm willing to make the sacrifice.
Wait a second. Wouldn't that mean President Biden and his charming hairplugs? Or President McStain and his MILFy wife? Or President Bela Pelosi?
Yeow. We are so screwed.

TooConservative posted on 2009-03-22 18:48:27 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#546. To: sneakypete (#541)
I was required to present a certified true copy of my birth certificate each time.

That's only because you're a white man.
No, really, I'm quite serious.

TooConservative posted on 2009-03-22 18:49:51 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#547. To: TooConservative (#545)
I'm willing to make the sacrifice.

I'm in.
Wait a second. Wouldn't that mean President Biden and his charming hairplugs? Or President McStain and his MILFy wife? Or President Bela Pelosi?
Barf.
Yeow. We are so screwed.
It appears it's just getting started.

nooz posted on 2009-03-22 18:57:09 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#548. To: TooConservative (#546)
That's only because you're a white man.

Actually,I'm not. I'm a feather Indian. Not full-blooded,but enough to legally qualify.
Which is one reason I think it's hilarious when idiots accuse me of being a Kluxxer or skinhead neo-Nazi.
Remember the active duty USMC SSG on FR that was a white guy who was married to a black woman? Every once in a while somebody would call HIM a racist,too. Can't remember his name right now,but he was one of the good guys there.

sneakypete posted on 2009-03-22 19:00:36 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#549. To: sneakypete (#548)
Ferret Mike????

Cynicom posted on 2009-03-22 19:07:23 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#550. To: FormerLurker (#520)
Helloo...McFly...anyone home McFly??
You were linked to a report and a graph that makes your characterization look stupid. Yet there you go again.

war posted on 2009-03-22 19:10:29 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#551. To: TooConservative (#540)
http://www.the-peoples-forum.com/cgi-bin/latestcomments.cgi
Tell robin that Cyni sent you.

Cynicom posted on 2009-03-22 19:11:17 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#552. To: nooz (#464)
Please cite the Title, Chapter and Section of the US Code to which you are referring.
Thanks...

war posted on 2009-03-22 19:11:37 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#553. To: sneakypete (#541)
I couldn't. Not even when I got my first one in 1965,or my most recent one in 1991. I was required to present a certified true copy of my birth certificate each time.

Yeah, but you're not the one you have been waiting for, the Obamasiah (piss be upon him).
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
James Deffenbach posted on 2009-03-22 19:12:31 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#554. To: nooz (#542)
Great post. I also think the Obamasiah should run for Premiere of China or Mongolia or just about anywhere that would get him out of America.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
James Deffenbach posted on 2009-03-22 19:14:35 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#555. To: bluegrass (#465)
Asked and andswered. Prior to the founding of the nation, there was no such thing as a US citizen.
You're pretty fucking dense aren't you? You've been confronted with this truth prior and had no cogent rebuttal. Yet here you go again.

war posted on 2009-03-22 19:14:59 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#556. To: sneakypete (#544)
There are some people who think the reason is because the father named on the birth certificate isn't named Obama.
I don't know what to think myself,other than the obvious fact there is SOMETHING fishy about it or he would have produced it long ago.

Anyone who has any sense at all knows that you don't spend hundreds of thousands of dollars to hide a document that you could produce for less than twenty dollars if there wasn't something about it that was either very embarrassing or showed that you were not born where you claimed. Has to be one or the other I would think.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
James Deffenbach posted on 2009-03-22 19:16:49 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#557. To: litus (#485)
As you were previously informed....anyone can get that and it doesn't prove where the person was born.

Actually, only the ACTUAL person or a person with power of attorney can "get that".
That said, what does that birth certificate3 state where Obama was born?

war posted on 2009-03-22 19:18:24 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#558. To: war (#557)
it's a certification of live birth, as distinguished from a "certificate of live birth" and gives the place of birth as Honolulu, HI.

litus posted on 2009-03-22 19:21:39 ET Reply Trace Private Reply

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