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Published: Mar 21, 2009
Author: m e
Post Date: 2009-03-21 08:19:06 by Itistoolate
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#4. To: Itistoolate (#0)
It could just be that Goldi has gone away for the weekend and doesn't know the site is down,or that there has been an equipment failure of some sort and they are working on getting it fixed.
Or it could just be that she got tired of putting up with all the crap,and just pulled the plug. I doubt the last one,though. I think she would post a notice if she were going to do this.

sneakypete posted on 2009-03-21 9:21:48 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#8. To: sneakypete (#4)
Or it could just be that she got tired of putting up with all the crap,and just pulled the plug.

Crap????

Like the resident Jews whining and sniveling to her all the time about the horrible anti semites?????
I dont think so. Ass kissing goys make me and this forum sick.

Cynicom posted on 2009-03-21 10:00:21 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#22. To: Cynicom (#8)
Crap????
Like the resident Jews whining and sniveling to her all the time about the horrible anti semites?????

I guess it's all in the viewpoint. I see more Jew haters calling her names than I see Jews sniveling about anti-Semites.
BTW,I was called a anti-Semite there the day before the site went down,and it wasn't the first time. I see no evidence of the Jews and Israeli-Firsters there having any more influence with her than anybody else. In fact,she even banned Margueritte a couple of years ago under another of her screen names.

sneakypete posted on 2009-03-21 11:28:30 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#25. To: sneakypete (#22)
I guess it's all in the viewpoint. I see more Jew haters calling her names than I see Jews sniveling about anti-Semites.

Perhaps there is a thought...
You also like magician, Marge and the others see nothing but Jew haters.
If you look at LP, that is nearly all you see, people that see anti semitism under their bed, in the closet and are afraid to deal with it.
No one on LP has ever raised the specter of anti goyism, have you ever wondered about that Pete????
I can go on LP and demand we nuke the Arab world, and not ONE WORD of disapproval, from anyone, not one.

Cynicom posted on 2009-03-21 11:51:06 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#28. To: Cynicom (#25)
I can go on LP and demand we nuke the Arab world, and not ONE WORD of disapproval, from anyone, not one.

Missed this one.
I can't speak for anyone else,but you would hear protest there from me.
What you seem to be missing is most of the people there (and everywhere else) that cheer the suggestion we nuke the A-Rabs aren't Jewish. Most are Christians,if in name only. They are people who bought into the whole terrorism thing at face value,and they are scared.
BTW,I think that unless the NWO does take over we will eventually end up nuking several Muslim countries. It is inevitable that sooner or later some fundie Muslim group or another is going to get their hands on a nuke or a bio weapon,and use it to attack a major US city. Once that happens,all bets are off. Even I will be cheering to see the mushroom clouds over Arabia.

sneakypete posted on 2009-03-21 12:03:12 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#33. To: sneakypete (#28)
I think that unless the NWO does take over we will eventually end up nuking several Muslim countries. It is inevitable that sooner or later some fundie Muslim group or another is going to get their hands on a nuke or a bio weapon,and use it to attack a major US city.

Maybe that's why I thought you to be the enemy. Do you still buy the lie that fundie muzzies hit us on 9/11 without Bush's help?

Critter posted on 2009-03-21 14:31:12 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#76. To: Critter (#33)
Do you still buy the lie that fundie muzzies hit us on 9/11 without Bush's help?

It pained me to believe it so without reservation, but the complicity by purposeful neglect indicts the globalist Bush Administration puppetmeisters is obvious IMO.
Oh...And, no, I don't believe Bush himself was capable of masterminding a lemonade stand.

Liberator posted on 2009-03-21 20:32:36 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#78. To: F16Fighter (#76)
complicity by purposeful neglect

Ahhhh,but purposeful neglect is NOT the same thing as "being behind it".
I don't think they made any real effort to stop any potential attack,but that's not the same thing as saying they planned or encouraged one.

sneakypete posted on 2009-03-21 20:38:48 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#85. To: sneakypete (#78)
Ahhhh,but purposeful neglect is NOT the same thing as "being behind it".
I don't think they made any real effort to stop any potential attack,but that's not the same thing as saying they planned or encouraged one.

Gray area there, Pete.
I've made the case with respect to 9/11 as analogous to leaving the store door wide open and unguarded - along with an open cash register - then claiming no responsibility for the thievery.

Liberator posted on 2009-03-21 20:47:23 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#127. To: F16Fighter, sneakypete (#85)
I don't think they made any real effort to stop any potential attack,but that's not the same thing as saying they planned or encouraged one.
I've made the case with respect to 9/11 as analogous to leaving the store door wide open and unguarded -

If you both are going to say the WTC 1, 2 and 7 came down because of fire then you're both either very ignorant or trolls. There is too much evidence to the contrary to believe otherwise.
Once you believe that the collapses were helped by explosives, then you have to believe that the Bush administration was complicit.
And even if you can't see the physical impossibility of collapse by fire, you have to be able to see that no plane is going to fly into DC air space unidentified and unintercepted, without inside top level complicity.
So which is it? Ignorance? Or shilliness?

Critter posted on 2009-03-21 23:53:09 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#137. To: Critter (#127)
And even if you can't see the physical impossibility of collapse by fire, you have to be able to see that no plane is going to fly into DC air space unidentified and unintercepted, without inside top level complicity.

wonderfully succinct

christine posted on 2009-03-22 0:06:41 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#149. To: christine (#137)
And even if you can't see the physical impossibility of collapse by fire, you have to be able to see that no plane is going to fly into DC air space unidentified and unintercepted, without inside top level complicity.

Before 911,
a Logistics employee I am good friends with, for Fed Ex told me about a system of vectored red lights that DC had in place to warn of any unauthorized aircraft from even getting near the capitol, and if the craft did not turn around, anti aircraft weapons were at the ready.
He flys a lot Alot.
I believe him.
However I have never broached the subject of the 911 attacks - for reasons of just getting along. I think he has got to go along with the ruse.

tom007 posted on 2009-03-22 0:15:44 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#163. To: tom007 (#149)
What is more likely? Our domestic air defense systems were hopelessly unprepared, or our government set it up, then perfectly executed the plan? Shit during the Clinton admin, a plane hit the white house, on accident.
Our government is incompetent, that much is clear.
It can't even torture people in Iraq in secret, do you think they can pull off a 9-11 without anyone knowing? Probably not.
Our foreign policy caused 9-11, and silly conspiracy theories take away from learning the real truth. Playing chess with other nations has fucking consequences.

Rhino369 posted on 2009-03-22 0:27:33 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#196. To: Rhino369 (#163)
silly conspiracy theories take away from learning the real truth

Not only that,but those same conspiracy theories are LOVED by the government because it allows them to dismiss any questions about their conduct as being linked to "those insane conspiracy freaks".
Instead of helping the cause of freedom,all they are doing in hurting it and helping the government.
AND....it does no good at all to argue with them because they are obsessed with every little detail,and have reams of false "Facts" to back up their arguments. What makes it so hard to argue against any conspiracy theory is that the best ones are all believable because there is a basis in fact to all of them.
For example *I* am the one that started the conspiracy theory Hillary Clinton being behind the crash of JFK Jr's airplane and his death. I started this rumor on FR and used the fact that he had been talking about running for the same Senate seat ("his" family Senate seat) that she was running for,and this is the reason she had a had the airplane rigged to crash. Within a hour this was accepted as the gospel,and I was being called a DNC shill for saying it was made up,and a liar for saying I was the one who made it up. DESPITE the fact that the proof I was the one who made it up was right there on that very thread!
Everybody jumped on the one little fact about the Senate seat,and that was all they needed or wanted to hear.

sneakypete posted on 2009-03-22 1:08:19 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#223. To: sneakypete (#196)
Not only that,but those same conspiracy theories are LOVED by the government because it allows them to dismiss any questions about their conduct as being linked to "those insane conspiracy freaks".
Instead of helping the cause of freedom,all they are doing in hurting it and helping the government.
AND....it does no good at all to argue with them because they are obsessed with every little detail,and have reams of false "Facts" to back up their arguments. What makes it so hard to argue against any conspiracy theory is that the best ones are all believable because there is a basis in fact to all of them.

I agree which is why it pains me to see you buy the conspiracy theory about Obama being born in Kenya. How much legit criticism is being wasted on that silly theory?

For example *I* am the one that started the conspiracy theory Hillary Clinton being behind the crash of JFK Jr's airplane and his death. I started this rumor on FR and used the fact that he had been talking about running for the same Senate seat ("his" family Senate seat) that she was running for,and this is the reason she had a had the airplane rigged to crash. Within a hour this was accepted as the gospel,and I was being called a DNC shill for saying it was made up,and a liar for saying I was the one who made it up. DESPITE the fact that the proof I was the one who made it up was right there on that very thread!

I can believe it. The same thing happens on FR to this day. On the birth conspiracy, a person will merely guess about something, and then a day later its gospel until proven false. Its interesting to see how conspiracy theories form.

Rhino369 posted on 2009-03-22 1:35:51 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#240. To: Rhino369 (#223)
.....it pains me to see you buy the conspiracy theory about Obama being born in Kenya.

I don't think he was born in Kenya,and have never said I did.
I think he was born in Hawaii,but we won't know this for a fact until he releases the vault copy of his birth certificate,will we?
What I DO believe because it is an established FACT is that he was adopted by his step father and became an Indonesian citizen. Part of this process was rejecting his American citizenship. Despite what the Barry-Bots claim,his mother had the legal right to denounce his US citizeship.
I also know he travled to Pakistan as a Indonesian citizen as an adult,and his name was Barry Soetoro at the time. I also know there has been no explanation whatsoever about how or when he changed his name and obtained US citizenship again.
For all we know,he still had Indonesian citizenship.

sneakypete posted on 2009-03-22 1:53:01 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#253. To: sneakypete (#240)
What I DO believe because it is an established FACT is that he was adopted by his step father and became an Indonesian citizen. Part of this process was rejecting his American citizenship. Despite what the Barry-Bots claim,his mother had the legal right to denounce his US citizeship.

Its not debatable, a mother cannot denounce US Citizenship. It is also not established he was adopted.
travel.state.gov/law/citizenship/citizenship_776.html

I also know he travled to Pakistan as a Indonesian citizen as an adult,and his name was Barry Soetoro at the time. I also know there has been no explanation whatsoever about how or when he changed his name and obtained US citizenship again.

How do you know he traveled as an Indonesian citizen? How do you know what his name was?

Rhino369 posted on 2009-03-22 2:02:33 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#268. To: Rhino369 (#253)
Its not debatable, a mother cannot denounce US Citizenship. It is also not established he was adopted.
travel.state.gov/law/citizenship/citizenship_776.html

That wasn't the law when he was 7 years old.
How do you know he traveled as an Indonesian citizen?
Because Americans weren't allowed to travel to Pakistan then as tourists.
How do you know what his name was?
Because that is his name on the roster of the elementary school he went to in Indonesia.

sneakypete posted on 2009-03-22 2:15:09 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#274. To: sneakypete (#268)

That wasn't the law when he was 7 years old.

Perkins v. Elg, 307 U.S. 325 (1939) The parents cannot remove a child's citizenship.

Because Americans weren't allowed to travel to Pakistan then as tourists.

Not true, it was just strong discouraged.

Because that is his name on the roster of the elementary school he went to in Indonesia.

Yes, school documentation from 1970's Indonesia is obviously much more official than Hawaiian certificates of live birth. The school would have put down whatever he was registered as by his step father.

Rhino369 posted on 2009-03-22 2:32:07 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#347. To: Rhino369 (#274)
Yes, school documentation from 1970's Indonesia is obviously much more official than Hawaiian certificates of live birth.

Your hero, the Obamasiah, has not produced a "Certificate of Live Birth" but a CERTIFICATION. There is a difference.
The State of Hawaii, statute 338, allows foreign born children of Hawaiian residents to get a Hawaiian birth certificate. Mr. Obama has never presented any corroborating evidence that he was actually born in Hawaii. His paternal grandmother in Kenya and the ambassador of Kenya made statements that he was born in Kenya.

The image that Mr. Obama has posted on the Internet was not a valid birth certificate, but rather a limited value document, called Short Version Certification of Live Birth. The Certification of Live Birth does not name a hospital, name a doctor, have any signatures or a seal of the Hawaiian Health Department on the front of the document. This document is usually given to parties that don't have a proper hospital birth certificate and it is given based on a statement of one relative only. Even the state of Hawaii doesn't give full credit to these documents.

James Deffenbach posted on 2009-03-22 14:02:39 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#361. To: James Deffenbach (#347)
the Obamasiah has not produced a "Certificate of Live Birth" but a CERTIFICATION. There is a difference.
The State of Hawaii, statute 338, allows foreign born children of Hawaiian residents to get a Hawaiian birth certificate. Mr. Obama has never presented any corroborating evidence that he was actually born in Hawaii. His paternal grandmother in Kenya and the ambassador of Kenya made statements that he was born in Kenya.
The image that Mr. Obama has posted on the Internet was not a valid birth certificate, but rather a limited value document, called Short Version Certification of Live Birth. The Certification of Live Birth does not name a hospital, name a doctor, have any signatures or a seal of the Hawaiian Health Department on the front of the document. This document is usually given to parties that don't have a proper hospital birth certificate and it is given based on a statement of one relative only. Even the state of Hawaii doesn't give full credit to these documents

Hi James
thank you for writing this informative post
I did not know all this
I got out a copy of my birth certicate, from Department of Health in Manhattan
it is a copy of the original birth certificate signed by Dr Sussman (who delivered me)
I am surprised at all the information on there
what time my mom was admitted to the maternity hospital
how long she was in labor
what time I was born
and what time Dr Sussman signed the birth certificate
it also has both my parents ages on it, where they worked, and their jobs back then
LOL I was born in middle of night and I think Dr Sussman was either sleepy (or tipsy)
he got my mom's age wrong (by 3 years)
also he wrote down she was a housewife, she was actually a nurse back then
Love, Palo

palo verde posted on 2009-03-22 14:23:36 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#374. To: palo verde (#361)

This is just as good as the one Obama had Photoshopped on the net to con his rubes and gullible fans. There is a lot more information on an actual birth certificate than on what Obama and his sycophants are proclaiming is just as good. And just why would anyone spend hundreds of thousands of dollars of someone's money (I doubt he is spending any of his own) to hide a document that can be produced for just a few dollars? Does that make sense to anyone but a brain-dead Obot?

James Deffenbach posted on 2009-03-22 14:40:57 ET (1 image) Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#379. To: James Deffenbach (#374)
LOL Jimmy your picture made me crack up :)
that is funny
and your points are all true
we are all called to different causes
and mine seems to be the one about Obama and Dems corruption with CitiBank
but I am starting to see the value and appreciate the efforts of posters who are determined to get the truth of the birth certificate
The truth matters, always!
Love, Palo

palo verde posted on 2009-03-22 14:50:31 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#382. To: palo verde (#379)
The truth matters, always!

Sure it does. Except to the Obamasiah worshippers.

James Deffenbach posted on 2009-03-22 14:52:41 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#405. To: James Deffenbach (#382)
(Palo) The truth matters, always!
(James) Sure it does. Except to the Obamasiah worshippers.

my own friends and family are Obamasiah worshippers
I do not say one word to them
I think the truth is always out there and can be seen
but a person has to choose for themself to put it ahead of all other values
and my friends and family put their ideology first
that is a free will choice, and if I respect free will (which I do)
I have to respect it
Love, Palo

palo verde posted on 2009-03-22 15:05:58 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#420. To: palo verde (#405)
Sure, you have to respect people's right to believe whatever they choose to believe. But I find it extremely curious that they defend someone who proclaimed that he would run a "transparent" administration, yet he refuses to show his real birth certificate. And he lied about how he would give the public five days to check out bills before he signed them into law. Just another liar and hypocrite like most politicians.

James Deffenbach posted on 2009-03-22 15:13:06 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#647. To: James Deffenbach, PALO VERDE (#420)
Sure, you have to respect people's right to believe whatever they choose to believe. But I find it extremely curious that they defend someone who proclaimed that he would run a "transparent" administration

Here's where we diverge Miss Palo.
One may respect people's right to believe (fill in the blank)...but one does not
have to respect what they believe, and is even
obligated to fight what they believe with every fiber of their being
if it is destroying life and liberty.
Meanwhile, the Tolerant among us stand by while Lady Liberty is gang raped.
The usa needs a systemic overhaul from the top down,
as does everything we've been taught to believe in our government school brainwashing factories.
I refer you to http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi? ArtNum=97098&Disp=45#C45 this post......and this post http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi? ArtNum=97182&Disp=7#C7

IndieTX posted on 2009-03-22 23:30:25 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#652. To: IndieTX (#647)
We are a people who obey out of fear, not a sense of what is right and good. It should be illegal for lawyers to hold any elected government office.
Meanwhile, Americans go to prison for petty theft, whilst their adversaries in the Elite and in government steal, invade privacy, violate the constitution they are sworn to uphold, and murder daily..completely unmolested by laws or consequences. Our lives have become open books to be exploited and controlled by the Elite and their institutions. The entire world has access to a man's credit rating and can even deny him an employment position because of it, yet our politicians tell us "the past does not matter" when it concerns their misadventures.
It is time for a revolution of ideas, not just power change. It is time to examine everthing we've been told from 1776 onward.

outstanding. i'm glad you linked that. i had missed it.

christine posted on 2009-03-22 23:38:38 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
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#657. To: christine, redpanther (#652) (Edited)
outstanding. i'm glad you linked that.

Thank you. My list in the second linked post is incomplete..but it's a start.
--The government set up by the Constitution-- "is likely to be well administered for a Course of Years and can only end in Despotism as other Forms have done before it, when the People shall become so corrupted as to need Despotic Government, being incapable of any other."
--- -Benjamin Franklin

--The arrogance shown by the British in seizing a couple of hundred American merchantmen is a trait to be found in Adam's own countrymen-- "The United States is Britain's very image and superscription . . . as true a gamecock as she and, I warrant you, shall become as great a scourge to mankind."
----John Adams

TheSystem needs a revolution of ideas. Ron Paul doesn't go nearly far enough. We need to revisit everything from 1776 to the present and overhaul the entire system, beginning with:
term limits on all governments offices (local state fed) [one place where the founders really screwed up]
overhauling the unjust and tyrannical LegalIndustrialComplex including but not limited to a citizen review board with power to oversee and investigate and reverse any judicial and police action including miscarriages of justice in the courtrooms thereby ending the supreme power of judges and lying police over the Liberty of the people
repealing the income tax
repealing all gun laws. period.
ending the two party system
outlawing all contributions to politicians serving and running for office
ending all foreign aid and foreign wars
eliminating the federal reserve
an immediate forgiveness of the outstanding consumer debt of every AmeriKan
ending the H1B Visa program forcing employers to hire Americans
repeal of SHAFTA
ending Social Security contributions for all Americans and allowing them to keep their money
immediate distribution back to the people of all money stolen from Americans in the form of SS taxes in a lump sum regardless of age
an end to the accumulation and storing of American's personal information from medical records to credit reports
an end to the "wars on _____" with the immediate legalization of all naturally growing plants and a release of all in prison solely for possession of these substances
destroying the no-fly list
implementing national right to carry reinforcing the Second Amendment
ban lawyers from serving in public office.
expose the truth behind 911 with an unlimited investigation that can be stopped by no person, agency or lawyer with all records being subject to publication and review, with no claim of "national security" being sufficient to stop their release
Immediate deportation of all illegal aliens.
Lawyers, bankers, judges, LEO agencies (all levels) with no oversight to their misdeeds, domestic traitors in government, and business interests have long held the reigns of power over the rights of the people. This will end. Freedom takes guts. That's just the beginning of this revolution... All ideas should be considered.
The LegalIndustrialComplex in this country (supposedly-along with the founding documents-based on "religious" ideals) is the anti-thesis of everything moral. I'll leave religion out of it. Too many have been killed in its name. It would take an entire manuscript to even scratch the surface on this topic. Leave it best to say only that our LIC is not about "justice" nor is it about altruism.
Many are in prison who do not belong there. Virtually every "crime" worthy of incarceration carries with it a figurative death sentence of destroyed lives with no other purpose than the perpetuation of the lie that somehow the American legal system is just and sound.
Do all crimes deserve the death penalty as stated above? Should all violators (I refuse to acknowledge the word "criminal" because it is has invalid and incorrect connotations) have their wealth and families destroyed during and after a trial for which there is an almost certain chance they will be found guilty...not by any preponderance of the evidence, but due to unconstitutional judge's instructions, "testilying" by police, incompetent defense and Evil laws that should never have been written in the first place???
Should people be expected to have their lives destroyed merely waiting for a trial in a kangaroo court when they are supposed to be innocent until proven guilty?
There are too many unjust laws on the books. There are too many laws on the books.. period. Because who defines "just?" Anything has become an excuse to deprive a supposedly free people from their Liberty. Indeed, everyone has been deemed a criminal by the law. The unlucky time will come when the the persecutors decide to use the law to their own ends...indeed that time has already come. Lawyers, along with the warped sense of justice from which they derive their profession, have destroyed the fabric of the nation. We are a people who obey out of fear, not a sense of what is right and good. It should be illegal for lawyers to hold any elected government office.
Meanwhile, Americans go to prison for petty theft, whilst their adversaries in the Elite and in government steal, invade privacy, violate the constitution they are sworn to uphold, and murder daily..completely unmolested by laws or consequences. Our lives have become open books to be exploited and controlled by the Elite and their institutions. The entire world has access to a man's credit rating and can even deny him an employment position because of it, yet our politicians tell us "the past does not matter" when it concerns their misadventures.
It is time for a revolution of ideas, not just power change. It is time to examine everthing we've been told from 1776 onward.
Don't tread on me.

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