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Title: The thread that's changed its focus from the original title. Carry on ;)
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Published: Mar 21, 2009
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Post Date: 2009-03-21 08:19:06 by Itistoolate
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#958. To: bluegrass (#952)
You still put faith and trust in various governing schemes and scams.

You mistake what trust is.
The law is what it is. And just because a legislative body CAN legislate it does not mean that we should trust what comes out of them. By the same token, we can't immediately call all legislation unconstitutional just bcauise we do not like it.

war posted on 2009-03-23 13:11:12 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#959. To: TooConservative (#935)
My stars, with all caps now. I'm starting to get a real kick out of this. As an aside, I'll point out that it is a rare word in that it rhymes with 'chewier'.

Still dodging.
Oh well.

nooz posted on 2009-03-23 13:12:19 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#960. To: Cynicom (#954)
Goldi...Would you come over to 4um and pick up your LP trash that have been over there bad mouthing you???? I have a list if you like? Cyni...

LOL.
And you're the one who has been fuming over forum tattlers?
I've been trying to hold out but you are getting closer to scoring one of my coveted Princess Of Irony wall plaques.

TooConservative posted on 2009-03-23 13:17:02 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#961. To: F16Fighter (#945)
As to JR reacting "reasonable and gentlemanly," THAT must have been a looong time ago in another galaxie - before he became a "celebrity" pr*ck and Stalinist tool of the GOP/Bush/NWO machine.

Well...my definition of "reasonable" is that he did what I requested that he do and when I told him thank-you he responded with "you're welcome" then banned my account as a "Troll".

war posted on 2009-03-23 13:17:09 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#962. To: James Deffenbach, ALL (#942)
She even threatened to ban people for posting articles about Ron. Do you remember that? She said something to the effect that she didn't want to see any more articles about him unless he had died or something. Real class, eh?

the funny thing is I was at DIGG at the time
I had left LP in protest of the banning of Ron Paul articles
I was posting on Ron Paul threads at DIGG
(it was a Sunday morning)
when Breaking News article in the Ron Paul section on DIGG went up
with title something like Liberty Post owner calls for Ron Paul asassination
obviously I misread it
I thought "O no Goldi has lost her marbles"
I immediately clicked the link to it on DIGG
and there were about 1000 posts on thread
the actual title was different -- it was something like no articles about RP allowed unless he is assassinated
which is very bad!
I had not been lurking on LP after I left
so I was fascinated to read that long thread
and I have to tell you after all my struggles and ups and downs trying to be on DIGG
plus I did not know anyone there
I found that 1000 post thread, it later became 2000 posts
totally thrilling reading
I spent 2 whole days reading it
there were so many interesting posts, perceptive posts, the discussion was so hot and heavy, and vivid
I had never lurked on LP (only been a poster)
I hadn't appreciated how much intelligence there was on that forum, until I lurked on that long long thread
then I clicked on 4um, which had an extraordinary Ron Paul article posted, by Jacob Hornberger
I was so grateful to 4um for discovering it and posting it
and I took it right over to LP and posted it in Breaking News
another poster (Pern) had defied Goldi's ban that day too, I give him so much credit
he inspired me to defy it
it was like a revolution on LP
Pern went right on defying her ban and posting Ron Paul articles in Breaking News
but I only did 3 altogether, when they were great articles
and I stayed on LP ever since
Love, Palo

palo verde posted on 2009-03-23 13:18:16 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#963. To: bluegrass (#946)
I now have to go retrieve my property (car) from thieves (cops-government-towing yard).

Makes you want to pay better attention to those "NO PARKING" signs, tho, eh?

war posted on 2009-03-23 13:18:31 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#964. To: Rhino369, Cynicom (#956)
Who is on the list!

I demand to be put at the head of the list! ;)
Of course, if Cynicom gets us banned at LP, he'll obviously get stuck with having us here at 4um.
His reasoning skills may be getting a bit rusty when faced with such a dilemma. You can almost hear those creaking gears grinding away, metal fatigue in every sprocket tooth.

TooConservative posted on 2009-03-23 13:20:38 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#965. To: Cynicom (#954)
Goldi
Would you come over to 4um and pick up your LP trash that have been over there bad mouthing you???? I have a list if you like? Cyni...

We haven't been bad mouthing Goldi
I only read one post by an LPer here which was all-critical
maybe I should just speak for myself
but I think all things considered she did a great job with her forum
because the proof must be in the pudding
it was a great forum (no matter what flaws it had)
Love, Palo

palo verde posted on 2009-03-23 13:23:48 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#966. To: TooConservative (#957)
Mmmm...back to padlock and yukon and Magician...you make it sound so attractive. :)
I do like this version of the forum software a bit better, despite the inclusion of the mail feature.
Of course, all these political forums need to finally move past Perl/Php stuff and go to Web 2.0 and AJAX. At least, if you ever want to grow and draw the energetic younger crowd. Ron Paul did well that way, something the political forums should look at more closely.
Bandwidth doesn't have to go up just because you get AJAXy. Or even just AJAXier than some other site.

How do you bold stuff? You're good at THAT sort of thing at least! ;)
But, I don't want to delay your departure a second longer.
Oops, I meant to use my inside voice.

nooz posted on 2009-03-23 13:45:49 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#967. To: TooConservative (#957)

nooz posted on 2009-03-23 13:47:04 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#968. To: war, christine (#941)
(war) Speaking of banned, I know that trixie banned you, but I don't know the reason...did Bill ban you as well and if so why?

Hi my sweet darling
Trixie did not ban me, I left Lucianne becuse of her rule posters are not allowed to speak to each other on her forum
I realized we posters on forums are there because we love to communicate with each other
a no-communication rule, would not work for me
the only forum I knew about then was FR, so I went over there
I had trouble at FR because I was critical of Bush
and those FR harpies came over and flamed me for 1000 posts for criticizing Bush
LOL and a lot of their flames were mentally disturbed :)
they weren't yelling at me about my politics
they claimed I was having cyber sex with some poster on FR I never even heard of
I forget his name now
he was a passionate idealist/libertarian
I had criticized Bush on that thread (it was about the DOJ) for not bringing the clinton corruption to justice
I posted Bush demonstrates there is one law for the rich and powerful
and another for schnooks like us
And this poster, very sweetly and gently
tried to get me to see there is no diff. between Pubs and Dems, they are both evil
you know how stubborn I am, War, I stuck to my guns
but I was gentle too, and signed the post "Love, Palo"
there were only 3 posts on that thread then
but I guess a lot of people on FR were bored
someone came on (I didn't know anyone at FR then) and pinged a bunch of people
and next thing I knew 1000 posts about how I am a slut and having cyber sex with this poster
LOL I wish I remember the name of my paramour :)
Love, Palo

I give Christine credit
we were on FR together then, she saw what was happening to me
and she pinged her friend Malador to come to my aid
which he did, he was great!
lol internet is a trip! I was a damsel in distress :)

palo verde posted on 2009-03-23 13:54:35 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#969. To: war (#961)
Well...my definition of "reasonable" is that he did what I requested that he do and when I told him thank-you he responded with "you're welcome" then banned my account as a "Troll".

HEH! A Silent Execution - but done so "civilly". You couldn't have riled him up enough (I'm disappointed in you ;-)
During the last few years Robinson's MO has been to first entertain his fawning sycophants by taunting and playing with "trolls" like a cat with a mouse before stamping-out the offending poster's FR accounts.

Liberator posted on 2009-03-23 14:14:05 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#970. To: Rhino369 (#950)
There is always a way to get across your point without wielding a sledgehammer and swinging it at the owner.
Though nuance and finesse has never been any of your strong suits, it doesn't mean you can't start learning from others.

Liberator posted on 2009-03-23 14:19:15 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#971. To: nooz (#966)
How do you bold stuff? You're good at THAT sort of thing at least! ;)

Try here to get the little HTML tags needed.
But, I don't want to delay your departure a second longer.
I dunno, I've grown rather fond of some of you during my sojourn here...especially you and Cynicom who have tried so hard to make me feel welcome. I may stick around forever since I can tell that you'd really really miss me.

TooConservative posted on 2009-03-23 14:20:36 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#972. To: TooConservative (#971)
I dunno, I've grown rather fond of some of you during my sojourn here...especially you and Cynicom who have tried so hard to make me feel welcome. I may stick around forever since I can tell that you'd really really miss me.

Not really, but thanks for the link! Byeeeeeee!

nooz posted on 2009-03-23 14:25:10 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#973. To: war (#941)
Speaking of banned, I know that trixie banned you, but I don't know the reason...did Bill ban you as well and if so why?

Who is Bill?
I have never been banned on any forum
(forbidden to post there)
but on Liberty Forum, which is self-governing
each time a poster posts, everyone can hit a button about the post
3 posters there hated me, so every time I posted
they hit button to say it was obscene and disruptive
because it is a machine, once it hit 500
(I was not aware of any of this while it was going on)
then I automatically became invisible on the forum
this meant if anyone wanted to see any of my posts
they had to register "I want to read obscene and disruptive posts"
and then my posts would show up for them
I didn't discover this till I posted and then it was invisible to me
someone explained it to me in private mail there
so naturally I quit Liberty Forum
and just went back to LP (I was on both forums then, I think ?)
on LP I posted in Biker Bar about my experience on Liberty Forum
someone from Liberty Forum
a true sweetheart
O War, I tell you, internet is a trip!
here was a guy from Liberty Forum, a main poster there
whose every single post damned Jews to hell
(and you know I am Jewish, and I had told them at Liberty Forum)
I don't know if you know that forum, but they really do not like Jews there
and this poster read (on LP Biker Bar) what happened to me
O what an angel that guy was!
went right back to Liberty Forum, posted an article about it
and got everyone to rate each one of my posts as "excellent"
because the machine automatically takes you off INVISIBLE
if you receive 500 "excellents"
I was so deeply touched
I went right back to Liberty Forum
but after that I was aware of my numbers for "obscene and disruptive"
and when I saw them adding up again
I thought "this is too nerve-wracking"
so I did not come back
I guess not everyone knew I was Jewish there, altho I had posted it several times
the ones who caused me all the trouble were not the anti-Jewish posters
in fact the nazis on the forum were very nice to me
and even invited me to join the BUND :)
LOL
Love, Palo

palo verde posted on 2009-03-23 14:25:49 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#974. To: F16Fighter (#969)
HEH! A Silent Execution - but done so "civilly". You couldn't have riled him up enough (I'm disappointed in you ;-)

ON the internet, anyone who can go through a few exchanges without flaming is civil.

war posted on 2009-03-23 14:43:45 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#975. To: palo verde, Christine (#968)
I had trouble at FR because I was critical of Bush and those FR harpies came over and flamed me for 1000 posts for criticizing Bush LOL and a lot of their flames were mentally disturbed :) they weren't yelling at me about my politics they claimed I was having cyber sex with some poster on FR I never even heard of...

Were you 'Palo Verde' during your FR life?
Wow - Having to fend off the usual blood-thirsty gaggles of cowardly Bush-Bot hyenas and jackals is tough enough - but then to have them slander you a la the Democrat Machine?
The names may have changed, but the same idiocy and hypocrisy still reigns, engaging in EXACTLY the same MO these days - AND for the same reason.
No Palo, nothing much has changed at FR.
I give Christine credit we were on FR together then, she saw what was happening to me and she pinged her friend Malador to come to my aid which he did, he was great!"
Good for both of them...Chivalry is NOT dead :-)
Btw, whatever happened to Malador? He was ok in my book.

Liberator posted on 2009-03-23 14:45:10 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#976. To: F16Fighter (#929)
Where is the "Burger and Fries" feature?

that's next. ;)

christine posted on 2009-03-23 14:45:31 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#977. To: FormerLurker (#818)
Goldi would use the ANTI Ron Paul posts as an example of "spam" yet allow those obvious spam posts to stand, right up till the electon.
If it came from a blog and was nothing but pure bullshit, it stayed on LP. If it was a legitimate news article about Ron Paul, it was deleted and the poster would be banned and/or chastised.

Yeah, that is the way I remember it too.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
James Deffenbach posted on 2009-03-23 14:47:18 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#978. To: TooConservative (#926)
i haven't read LRC in months. thanks for the headsup. i see deCoster's post links back to AmericanFreePress.

christine posted on 2009-03-23 14:50:14 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#979. To: sneakypete (#823)
And Hunter was a guy that made Tancredo seem sincere and the Kennedy family against nepotism by comparison.
I got flamed all over the place for outing Hunter as a liar and a poser on his military record. Even had people calling me a phony vet who knew nothing about the army.

Yeah, I noticed that. But you still "done good" to out him. He is sort of like that guy you nailed on FR that time, DITHF.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
James Deffenbach posted on 2009-03-23 14:50:16 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#980. To: war (#974)
ON the internet, anyone who can go through a few exchanges without flaming is civil.

Unfortunately, you're right.
I think that's because the poster is attacked instead of the argument; But then again, some assume if the point is "stupid" and "ignorant," then the poster is as well.
I admire those (and I freely admit I'm NOT one) who are able to stay the course on the issue...
Of course those who constant whine to mods, "ad hominem" while sticking the knife in on the other hand can't be respected.

Liberator posted on 2009-03-23 14:53:12 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#981. To: palo verde, TLBSHOW (#939)
you always wanted the banned to be unbanned

The Toddler was always posting to Jim Robber: "Unban the banned." Tickled me BUT GOOD.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
James Deffenbach posted on 2009-03-23 15:14:38 ET (1 image) Reply Trace Private Reply
#982. To: litus (#944)
That was it; that was exactly what she said.

I was one of Ron's early supporters (early as in I voted for him when he ran for President under the Libertarian banner in 1988). I didn't like Goldi's insane antics regarding Ron and his supporters. And I told her so.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
James Deffenbach posted on 2009-03-23 15:16:41 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#983. To: Cynicom (#954)
"15. To: Goldi (#14)
Goldi
Would you come over to 4um and pick up your LP trash that have been over there bad mouthing you???? I have a list if you like? Cyni...
Cynicom posted on 2009-03-23 13:07:17 ET Reply Trace

LOL!
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
James Deffenbach posted on 2009-03-23 15:19:09 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#984. To: palo verde (#962)
I believe I was still posting on LP at the time you mentioned but left shortly afterward. I was not going to post on a political board that would not allow articles about someone who was running for President, thought it was ridiculous and heavy handed.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
James Deffenbach posted on 2009-03-23 15:22:41 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#985. To: F16Fighter (#980)
I admire those (and I freely admit I'm NOT one) who are able to stay the course on the issue...

My problem is that I can smell bullshit a mile away...and how I have survived in this business is in knowing when to expose it and when to ignore it and allow it's own stink to out it...
When it comes to these web boards, tho, I always feel the need to expose it.
I'm curious as to when you - and anyone else who may read this post - started posting on the web. I started in 1995 on MSN's Discuss and Debate which became Politics and Philosophy ...

war posted on 2009-03-23 15:41:36 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#986. To: TooConservative (#964)
I demand to be put at the head of the list! ;)

Bye loser.

Cynicom posted on 2009-03-23 15:49:19 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#987. To: James Deffenbach (#982)
As did I.

litus posted on 2009-03-23 15:50:54 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#988. To: Fred Mertz (#852)
Palin is the female version of Dan Quayle.

As mcuh as it pains me to say this...I'd give the edge to her...she's got some ass while Quayle is just an ass...

war posted on 2009-03-23 15:56:50 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#989. To: sneakypete (#829)
I didn't post many,but the few pro-Ron Paul threads I posted were not deleted.

Towards the beginning Goldi didn't delete them. After the obvious spammers and/or professional operatives filled LP with their blog articles on RP, only the spam was allowed to remain. There was some character whose handle I can't remember, but was probably an earlier incarnation of McCain_Rocks. People would frequently point out to Goldi his violation of her rules, yet he would continue to merrily post all sorts of absurd BS concerning RP yet any valid article about RP posted by sincere posters would be cause for a banning.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-03-23 16:03:35 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#990. To: war (#835)
Wha...chuckle...huh? Go back and rrada it again moron...a point further OUT the the right on an X-axis is a GREATER number, doof.

The report you link stated that it would have been possible for the WTC to collapse by "pancaking" in 8 seconds, yet it would have taken an object 9.2 seconds to hit the ground if it had fallen through thin air when dropped from the top of the WTC. That is impossible, yet folks like you not only believe that it is possible, but you view it as scientific fact.
Then you have the gall to think you know more about physics than those who know better, and have the audacity to call them morons or worse...
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-03-23 16:09:17 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#991. To: FormerLurker (#990)
Lets see the experiments ran by truther civil engineers to show a theoretical collapse time for the towers. That type of experiment should be fairly easy to run. So how long is long enough for the towers to fall?
And exactly why would demolitions cause the tower to fall faster?
Thanks.

Rhino369 posted on 2009-03-23 16:11:35 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#992. To: war (#836)
The steel did NOT disintegrate dickweed...

You have been a nasty mouthed little troll here war, I thought higher of you back on LP. Do you always resort to that sort of tactic when you are shown to be wrong?
Anyways, the collapse photos most certainly show the majority of the upper structure being pulverized and ejected sideways.
There was a HUGE loss of mass due to that, therefore there would be SUBSTANTIALLY less load on the lower portion of the structure. In fact, there was probably less loading force due to the kinetic energy of the upper part of the tower collapsing than the usual static loading force due to the potential energy of the upper part of the structure.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-03-23 16:20:10 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#993. To: Rhino369 (#956)
Who is on the list!

Sorry, not free to say, I passed the list via email.

Cynicom posted on 2009-03-23 16:21:52 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#994. To: Rhino369 (#991)
And exactly why would demolitions cause the tower to fall faster?

The demolitions would cause the floors below the falling upper part of the structure to give way before the upper structure reached them, thus providing no resistance to the falling mass.
If those floors hadn't yet been destroyed, it would have taken additional time for the falling structure to break through each one.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-03-23 16:23:38 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#995. To: FormerLurker (#990)
I posted three vids that proved with actual physics formulas that even if conditions were ideal (they weren't even close to ideal) that it would have taken 44 seconds to collapse.
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IndieTX posted on 2009-03-23 16:39:58 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#996. To: FormerLurker (#994)

The demolitions would cause the floors below the falling upper part of the structure to give way before the upper structure reached them, thus providing no resistance to the falling mass.
If those floors hadn't yet been destroyed, it would have taken additional time for the falling structure to break through each one.

Video evidence shows no explosions on the lower floors while it is falling down.
So how long should it have taken for the towers to collapse?

Rhino369 posted on 2009-03-23 16:40:21 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#997. To: Cynicom (#993)

Sorry, not free to say, I passed the list via email.

Haha wow, you really are pissed at the LP refugees huh.

Rhino369 posted on 2009-03-23 16:41:20 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#998. To: IndieTX (#995)
I posted three vids that proved with actual physics formulas that even if conditions were ideal (they weren't even close to ideal) that it would have taken 44 seconds to collapse.

Unfortunately real engineers aren't going to use youtube videos to argue a claim like that. Do you have a paper on it?

Rhino369 posted on 2009-03-23 16:43:17 ET Reply Trace Private Reply

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