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Title: The thread that's changed its focus from the original title. Carry on ;)
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Published: Mar 21, 2009
Author: m e
Post Date: 2009-03-21 08:19:06 by Itistoolate
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#970. To: Rhino369 (#950)
There is always a way to get across your point without wielding a sledgehammer and swinging it at the owner.
Though nuance and finesse has never been any of your strong suits, it doesn't mean you can't start learning from others.

Liberator posted on 2009-03-23 14:19:15 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#971. To: nooz (#966)
How do you bold stuff? You're good at THAT sort of thing at least! ;)

Try here to get the little HTML tags needed.
But, I don't want to delay your departure a second longer.
I dunno, I've grown rather fond of some of you during my sojourn here...especially you and Cynicom who have tried so hard to make me feel welcome. I may stick around forever since I can tell that you'd really really miss me.

TooConservative posted on 2009-03-23 14:20:36 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#972. To: TooConservative (#971)
I dunno, I've grown rather fond of some of you during my sojourn here...especially you and Cynicom who have tried so hard to make me feel welcome. I may stick around forever since I can tell that you'd really really miss me.

Not really, but thanks for the link! Byeeeeeee!

nooz posted on 2009-03-23 14:25:10 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#973. To: war (#941)
Speaking of banned, I know that trixie banned you, but I don't know the reason...did Bill ban you as well and if so why?

Who is Bill?
I have never been banned on any forum
(forbidden to post there)
but on Liberty Forum, which is self-governing
each time a poster posts, everyone can hit a button about the post
3 posters there hated me, so every time I posted
they hit button to say it was obscene and disruptive
because it is a machine, once it hit 500
(I was not aware of any of this while it was going on)
then I automatically became invisible on the forum
this meant if anyone wanted to see any of my posts
they had to register "I want to read obscene and disruptive posts"
and then my posts would show up for them
I didn't discover this till I posted and then it was invisible to me
someone explained it to me in private mail there
so naturally I quit Liberty Forum
and just went back to LP (I was on both forums then, I think ?)
on LP I posted in Biker Bar about my experience on Liberty Forum
someone from Liberty Forum
a true sweetheart
O War, I tell you, internet is a trip!
here was a guy from Liberty Forum, a main poster there
whose every single post damned Jews to hell
(and you know I am Jewish, and I had told them at Liberty Forum)
I don't know if you know that forum, but they really do not like Jews there
and this poster read (on LP Biker Bar) what happened to me
O what an angel that guy was!
went right back to Liberty Forum, posted an article about it
and got everyone to rate each one of my posts as "excellent"
because the machine automatically takes you off INVISIBLE
if you receive 500 "excellents"
I was so deeply touched
I went right back to Liberty Forum
but after that I was aware of my numbers for "obscene and disruptive"
and when I saw them adding up again
I thought "this is too nerve-wracking"
so I did not come back
I guess not everyone knew I was Jewish there, altho I had posted it several times
the ones who caused me all the trouble were not the anti-Jewish posters
in fact the nazis on the forum were very nice to me
and even invited me to join the BUND :)
LOL
Love, Palo

palo verde posted on 2009-03-23 14:25:49 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#974. To: F16Fighter (#969)
HEH! A Silent Execution - but done so "civilly". You couldn't have riled him up enough (I'm disappointed in you ;-)

ON the internet, anyone who can go through a few exchanges without flaming is civil.

war posted on 2009-03-23 14:43:45 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#975. To: palo verde, Christine (#968)
I had trouble at FR because I was critical of Bush and those FR harpies came over and flamed me for 1000 posts for criticizing Bush LOL and a lot of their flames were mentally disturbed :) they weren't yelling at me about my politics they claimed I was having cyber sex with some poster on FR I never even heard of...

Were you 'Palo Verde' during your FR life?
Wow - Having to fend off the usual blood-thirsty gaggles of cowardly Bush-Bot hyenas and jackals is tough enough - but then to have them slander you a la the Democrat Machine?
The names may have changed, but the same idiocy and hypocrisy still reigns, engaging in EXACTLY the same MO these days - AND for the same reason.
No Palo, nothing much has changed at FR.
I give Christine credit we were on FR together then, she saw what was happening to me and she pinged her friend Malador to come to my aid which he did, he was great!"
Good for both of them...Chivalry is NOT dead :-)
Btw, whatever happened to Malador? He was ok in my book.

Liberator posted on 2009-03-23 14:45:10 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#976. To: F16Fighter (#929)
Where is the "Burger and Fries" feature?

that's next. ;)

christine posted on 2009-03-23 14:45:31 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#977. To: FormerLurker (#818)
Goldi would use the ANTI Ron Paul posts as an example of "spam" yet allow those obvious spam posts to stand, right up till the electon.
If it came from a blog and was nothing but pure bullshit, it stayed on LP. If it was a legitimate news article about Ron Paul, it was deleted and the poster would be banned and/or chastised.

Yeah, that is the way I remember it too.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
James Deffenbach posted on 2009-03-23 14:47:18 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#978. To: TooConservative (#926)
i haven't read LRC in months. thanks for the headsup. i see deCoster's post links back to AmericanFreePress.

christine posted on 2009-03-23 14:50:14 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#979. To: sneakypete (#823)
And Hunter was a guy that made Tancredo seem sincere and the Kennedy family against nepotism by comparison.
I got flamed all over the place for outing Hunter as a liar and a poser on his military record. Even had people calling me a phony vet who knew nothing about the army.

Yeah, I noticed that. But you still "done good" to out him. He is sort of like that guy you nailed on FR that time, DITHF.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
James Deffenbach posted on 2009-03-23 14:50:16 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#980. To: war (#974)
ON the internet, anyone who can go through a few exchanges without flaming is civil.

Unfortunately, you're right.
I think that's because the poster is attacked instead of the argument; But then again, some assume if the point is "stupid" and "ignorant," then the poster is as well.
I admire those (and I freely admit I'm NOT one) who are able to stay the course on the issue...
Of course those who constant whine to mods, "ad hominem" while sticking the knife in on the other hand can't be respected.

Liberator posted on 2009-03-23 14:53:12 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#981. To: palo verde, TLBSHOW (#939)
you always wanted the banned to be unbanned

The Toddler was always posting to Jim Robber: "Unban the banned." Tickled me BUT GOOD.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
James Deffenbach posted on 2009-03-23 15:14:38 ET (1 image) Reply Trace Private Reply
#982. To: litus (#944)
That was it; that was exactly what she said.

I was one of Ron's early supporters (early as in I voted for him when he ran for President under the Libertarian banner in 1988). I didn't like Goldi's insane antics regarding Ron and his supporters. And I told her so.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
James Deffenbach posted on 2009-03-23 15:16:41 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#983. To: Cynicom (#954)
"15. To: Goldi (#14)
Goldi
Would you come over to 4um and pick up your LP trash that have been over there bad mouthing you???? I have a list if you like? Cyni...
Cynicom posted on 2009-03-23 13:07:17 ET Reply Trace

LOL!
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
James Deffenbach posted on 2009-03-23 15:19:09 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#984. To: palo verde (#962)
I believe I was still posting on LP at the time you mentioned but left shortly afterward. I was not going to post on a political board that would not allow articles about someone who was running for President, thought it was ridiculous and heavy handed.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
James Deffenbach posted on 2009-03-23 15:22:41 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#985. To: F16Fighter (#980)
I admire those (and I freely admit I'm NOT one) who are able to stay the course on the issue...

My problem is that I can smell bullshit a mile away...and how I have survived in this business is in knowing when to expose it and when to ignore it and allow it's own stink to out it...
When it comes to these web boards, tho, I always feel the need to expose it.
I'm curious as to when you - and anyone else who may read this post - started posting on the web. I started in 1995 on MSN's Discuss and Debate which became Politics and Philosophy ...

war posted on 2009-03-23 15:41:36 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#986. To: TooConservative (#964)
I demand to be put at the head of the list! ;)

Bye loser.

Cynicom posted on 2009-03-23 15:49:19 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#987. To: James Deffenbach (#982)
As did I.

litus posted on 2009-03-23 15:50:54 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#988. To: Fred Mertz (#852)
Palin is the female version of Dan Quayle.

As mcuh as it pains me to say this...I'd give the edge to her...she's got some ass while Quayle is just an ass...

war posted on 2009-03-23 15:56:50 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#989. To: sneakypete (#829)
I didn't post many,but the few pro-Ron Paul threads I posted were not deleted.

Towards the beginning Goldi didn't delete them. After the obvious spammers and/or professional operatives filled LP with their blog articles on RP, only the spam was allowed to remain. There was some character whose handle I can't remember, but was probably an earlier incarnation of McCain_Rocks. People would frequently point out to Goldi his violation of her rules, yet he would continue to merrily post all sorts of absurd BS concerning RP yet any valid article about RP posted by sincere posters would be cause for a banning.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-03-23 16:03:35 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#990. To: war (#835)
Wha...chuckle...huh? Go back and rrada it again moron...a point further OUT the the right on an X-axis is a GREATER number, doof.

The report you link stated that it would have been possible for the WTC to collapse by "pancaking" in 8 seconds, yet it would have taken an object 9.2 seconds to hit the ground if it had fallen through thin air when dropped from the top of the WTC. That is impossible, yet folks like you not only believe that it is possible, but you view it as scientific fact.
Then you have the gall to think you know more about physics than those who know better, and have the audacity to call them morons or worse...
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-03-23 16:09:17 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#991. To: FormerLurker (#990)
Lets see the experiments ran by truther civil engineers to show a theoretical collapse time for the towers. That type of experiment should be fairly easy to run. So how long is long enough for the towers to fall?
And exactly why would demolitions cause the tower to fall faster?
Thanks.

Rhino369 posted on 2009-03-23 16:11:35 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#992. To: war (#836)
The steel did NOT disintegrate dickweed...

You have been a nasty mouthed little troll here war, I thought higher of you back on LP. Do you always resort to that sort of tactic when you are shown to be wrong?
Anyways, the collapse photos most certainly show the majority of the upper structure being pulverized and ejected sideways.
There was a HUGE loss of mass due to that, therefore there would be SUBSTANTIALLY less load on the lower portion of the structure. In fact, there was probably less loading force due to the kinetic energy of the upper part of the tower collapsing than the usual static loading force due to the potential energy of the upper part of the structure.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-03-23 16:20:10 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#993. To: Rhino369 (#956)
Who is on the list!

Sorry, not free to say, I passed the list via email.

Cynicom posted on 2009-03-23 16:21:52 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#994. To: Rhino369 (#991)
And exactly why would demolitions cause the tower to fall faster?

The demolitions would cause the floors below the falling upper part of the structure to give way before the upper structure reached them, thus providing no resistance to the falling mass.
If those floors hadn't yet been destroyed, it would have taken additional time for the falling structure to break through each one.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-03-23 16:23:38 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#995. To: FormerLurker (#990)
I posted three vids that proved with actual physics formulas that even if conditions were ideal (they weren't even close to ideal) that it would have taken 44 seconds to collapse.
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IndieTX posted on 2009-03-23 16:39:58 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#996. To: FormerLurker (#994)

The demolitions would cause the floors below the falling upper part of the structure to give way before the upper structure reached them, thus providing no resistance to the falling mass.
If those floors hadn't yet been destroyed, it would have taken additional time for the falling structure to break through each one.

Video evidence shows no explosions on the lower floors while it is falling down.
So how long should it have taken for the towers to collapse?

Rhino369 posted on 2009-03-23 16:40:21 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#997. To: Cynicom (#993)

Sorry, not free to say, I passed the list via email.

Haha wow, you really are pissed at the LP refugees huh.

Rhino369 posted on 2009-03-23 16:41:20 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#998. To: IndieTX (#995)
I posted three vids that proved with actual physics formulas that even if conditions were ideal (they weren't even close to ideal) that it would have taken 44 seconds to collapse.

Unfortunately real engineers aren't going to use youtube videos to argue a claim like that. Do you have a paper on it?

Rhino369 posted on 2009-03-23 16:43:17 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#999. To: F16Fighter (#975)
Were you 'Palo Verde' during your FR life?
The names may have changed, but the same idiocy and hypocrisy still reigns, engaging in EXACTLY the same MO these days - AND for the same reason.
No Palo, nothing much has changed at FR.

Hi sweetie
yes I wss palo verde on FR
I did stay on FR after my drama with the harpies, but I never posted a political post there again
I had zero desire for them to come after me again after that
(it was a long 3 day weekend, thread ran to 4000 posts)
all of them flaming me until the very end when Malador came in to save me
lol it was one of those internet experiences of a lifetime :)
it was stressful for me while it was going on, but afterwards I felt liberated
LOL it gave me so much practice in "Don't attack, don't defend"
I came out unscathed because I never got mad
after that I went to a convivial thread on FR and just stayed on it, making jokes and having fun
and I did have a great deal of fun
I might have just stayed there (on that fun thread at FR)
but Christine emailed me that Goldi was starting LP
and I should join
which I did, and then I started to post politically again
it was while I was at LP that the Snow Bunny episode took place at FR
we had lots of threads about it on LP
it's funny now that I think about it, Malador was a Prince to Snow Bunny too
she emailed him, and he brought her to LP so we could all line up on her side
but I thought it was so mentally disturbed what FR posters had done to SnowBunny
that I never considered returning to FR again
For JimRob to have permitted (encouraged?) that is out of bounds
Love, Palo
it hits me now that there is less insanity on the net than there used to be
hahaha we are all becoming mentally sane

palo verde posted on 2009-03-23 16:55:59 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1000. To: palo verde (#999)
1000
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
James Deffenbach posted on 2009-03-23 16:56:47 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1001. To: James Deffenbach (#1000)
1001
"If I were going to construct a God I would furnish him with some ways and qualities and characteristics which the Present One lacks... He would spend some of His eternities in trying to forgive Himself for making man unhappy when He could have made him happy with the same effort and He would spend the rest of them in studying astronomy." ~ Mark Twain

wudidiz posted on 2009-03-23 17:01:41 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1002. To: Rhino369, IndieTX (#998)
I posted three vids that proved with actual physics formulas that even if conditions were ideal (they weren't even close to ideal) that it would have taken 44 seconds to collapse.
Unfortunately real engineers aren't going to use youtube videos to argue a claim like that. Do you have a paper on it?

Physics formulas are physics formulas. What does it matter if they're on paper or on a video? Did you watch the videos?
"If I were going to construct a God I would furnish him with some ways and qualities and characteristics which the Present One lacks... He would spend some of His eternities in trying to forgive Himself for making man unhappy when He could have made him happy with the same effort and He would spend the rest of them in studying astronomy." ~ Mark Twain

wudidiz posted on 2009-03-23 17:03:33 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1003. To: Rhino369 (#996) (Edited)
Video evidence shows no explosions on the lower floors while it is falling down.

There are various videos showing material being ejected out of the windows of floors below the collapsing upper structure PRIOR to the upper floors falling on top of them, if you could even call it that as it appeared more like a progressive pulverization than a "fall".
So how long should it have taken for the towers to collapse?
From 87.9 to 96.7 seconds;

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-03-23 17:04:56 ET (1 image) Reply Trace Private Reply
#1004. To: Rhino369 (#997)
Haha wow, you really are pissed at the LP refugees huh.

Good heavens no.
Been around many of them since 1998 or thereabouts.
Sometimes I like to tweak the noses of frauds, no matter if olde or new friends.
I go way back to being friends with Aplus+ Bert, if you recall those days??

Cynicom posted on 2009-03-23 17:06:33 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1005. To: wudidiz (#1002)

Physics formulas are physics formulas. What does it matter if they're on paper or on a video? Did you watch the videos?

I wasn't linked to the videos, but I will watch them. But yes it does matter that they are on video and not paper. Its very easy to fudge the numbers on a short video, and much harder to fudge numbers and use the wrong equations on a peer reviewed paper.
If you use the wrong equation for the wrong material you won't get anywhere near the correct answer.
Anyone with an engineering background can tell you this. If you start with garbage data, and use the wrong equations you can show anything.
So lets see the videos.

Rhino369 posted on 2009-03-23 17:07:39 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1006. To: Cynicom (#1004)
I go way back to being friends with Aplus+ Bert, if you recall those days??

Hahaha ! 1998

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara posted on 2009-03-23 17:08:06 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1007. To: Rhino369, IndieTX (#1005)
So lets see the videos.

freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/re...rtNum=97175&Disp=469#C469
"If I were going to construct a God I would furnish him with some ways and qualities and characteristics which the Present One lacks... He would spend some of His eternities in trying to forgive Himself for making man unhappy when He could have made him happy with the same effort and He would spend the rest of them in studying astronomy." ~ Mark Twain

wudidiz posted on 2009-03-23 17:11:58 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1008. To: FormerLurker (#1003)
The floors being crushed below the fracture point are not in free fall, they are having what is basically a inelastic collision with the falling top part of the tower. That means that momentum will be conserved and the bottom part will accelerate faster than gravity. That graph assume that each floor starts free falling the moment is is impacted.
Either that graph is a joke, an intentional fraud to trick the uneducated, or done by someone who didn't even finish a decent high school.

Rhino369 posted on 2009-03-23 17:13:37 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1009. To: wudidiz (#1007)
Thanks let me watch them.

Rhino369 posted on 2009-03-23 17:14:23 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#1010. To: Rotara (#1006)
Hahaha ! 1998

Dont tell me you go that far back????
Damn.
When Bert was overly liquid and disorderly, I could tell him to go to bed and he would.
Beyond that, a very interesting gentleman, a background few knew.

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