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Title: The thread that's changed its focus from the original title. Carry on ;)
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Published: Mar 21, 2009
Author: m e
Post Date: 2009-03-21 08:19:06 by Itistoolate
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Officer Jack McLamb's shows:
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From the comments: "This proves the theory of ghost buildings. You aren't seeing the actual building but just the energy left over from it crossing into the fifth dimension. Just because you can see it and it isn't smoking like crazy and it doesn't seem to be under attack,, doesn't mean that it isn't. There are alot of unexplainable things happening in the world, and this is one of them. So don't be paranoid!"
I'll have to add that to my collection of knowledge the general public does not want to discuss as it would interfere with their belief the government does all that it does for our benefit.
were those records for gold that actually traded hands or just pieces of paper called gold?
were those records for gold that actually traded hands or just pieces of paper called gold? Good question. I am not sure.
often referred to as an S.E.P. someone else's problem which I believe is mentioned in the Douglas Adams book So long and thanks for all the fish.
I would think that would be important information to release...if it's a "scientific" study that they wish to be taken as credible. Peer review, and all. www.abc.net.au/unleashed/stories/s2240510.htm The collapse of New York's World Trade Centre on September 11, 2001 is arguably one of the most well documented events in human history. Less well documented is the controversy over why the buildings fell as they did. At the time of writing, 357 architectural and engineering professionals have signed a petition which directly challenges the National Institute of Standards & Training's official finding that the destruction of these massive buildings was caused solely by structural damage from the impact of jet airliners and the resulting fires. The petition, demanding of Congress a truly independent investigation, states, in part: "...the 9/11 investigation must include a full inquiry into the possible use of explosives that may have been the actual cause behind the destruction of the World Trade Center Towers and WTC Building 7." This alarming statement is based on evidence from many sources, including observations of the structural behaviour of the towers as they collapsed, the known characteristics of steel framed buildings, eyewitness testimony of explosions, and research into the chemical composition of dust recovered from the collapse zone. Current research indicates that an incendiary (thermite) may have been used to sever the massive box columns of the towers, causing the buildings to plummet to the ground at close to free-fall speed. Chemical analysis has been conducted by a multi-disciplinary team led by Professor Steven E. Jones and the results published in the Journal of 9/11 Studies. The membership of Architects and Engineers For 9/11 Truth is worldwide, and qualified Australians have made contributions. Dr. Frank Legge, a chemist, has co-authored a peer reviewed paper, and Dr. David Leifer of the Faculty of Architecture at the University of Sydney is a registered member of the group. A major focus of research is the mysterious collapse of the 47 storey WTC 7 (Salomon Brothers) Building, which was not hit by any plane, yet suddenly collapsed into its own footprint late in the afternoon of September 11, 2001. Building 7 came down in six and a half seconds, generating a massive dust-cloud similar to the one that had enveloped Manhattan when the Twin Towers collapsed earlier the same day. Researchers contend that only explosives could have provided enough energy to cause the pulverisation of thousands of tons of concrete into dust, and they highlight the symmetrical, free-fall collapse of the building through the path of greatest resistance, indicating that the supporting columns offered no resistance to the falling mass above. Historically, the only way a modern office building has ever been made to collapse vertically in free-fall, as observed in WTC Building 7, is through the use of shaped cutter charges detonated in a timed sequence. This procedure is known as controlled demolition, and requires a precise placement of explosives which are designed to cut through supports successively, usually from the bottom up, pulling buildings down under their own weight. The collapse of Building 7 is visually identical to a controlled demolition, as illustrated in a side by side comparison on Youtube. Demolition expert Danny Jowenko has gone on record confirming this observation. "A team of experts did this", he said. The essence of why we need a new investigation into the World Trade Center collapses is summed up in a recent paper by Dr. Frank Legge: "As no reports have come to light of any steel framed buildings collapsing due to fire, and as all steel framed buildings which had collapsed had done so due to explosive demolition, the logical way to have started the investigation of this surprising event would have been to question whether explosives had been used. This apparently did not occur. The organisations carrying out the investigations clearly selectively collected data and contrived arguments to support the fire theory and ignored contradictory evidence. This is in defiance of the scientific method and flouts the ethical standard of behaviour which the public is entitled to receive from their paid servants." The hypothesis of controlled demolition finds further support in many eyewitness accounts, including live TV coverage, which described massive explosions in the lower levels of the World Trade Center prior to the collapse. William Rodriguez, an acknowledged hero of 9/11 who single-handedly rescued fifteen people from the North Tower, described a massive explosion in the basement which occurred before the first plane struck, pushing him upwards out of the seat of his chair. The New York Fire Department's oral histories project contains 118 witness statements which are strongly consistent with explosive demolition. Incredibly, none of this shocking testimony was included or acknowledged in any official investigation, including the 9/11 Commission. There is a groundswell of public pressure from family members of victims and ordinary people the world over, to re-open the investigation of 9/11. As seen in the groundbreaking film 9/11: Press For Truth, it was due to the pressure of a group of victim family members, known as the Jersey Girls, that the 9/11 Commission was created, and yet that same commission failed to answer the majority of questions raised by these courageous women. Films such as Loose Change and 9/11 Mysteries have been viewed by millions on the internet, and opinion polls have consistently shown that a large proportion of the public does not accept the official narrative of 9/11. Many believe there has been a major cover-up, while others believe that September 11 was an "inside job". As an Australian, I believe there is an urgent need for a new investigation for several reasons. First, there is the war in Afghanistan, which has already claimed thousands of lives, and appears to have no end in sight. If the 9/11 official narrative proves to be false, then the attack on Afghanistan may be a war crime. Second, there is the continued erosion of civil liberties in the form of anti-terror legislation, and increases in police powers of surveillance and detention, which relies largely on 9/11 as the primary justification. Finally, there are core values of truth, decency and justice at stake, which I wish to uphold and which I ask all Australians to join me in upholding as I say to our elected leaders, with all due respect, we need a new investigation.
it's standard practice for precious metals dealers to sell that which they don't have with the hopes of but no guarantee of ever having and charging clients rent to store said metals. much of the hype with AIG is to keep peoples eyes on the bonuses and off the barbarous acts of shadyism they pulled with silver trades.
The sheeple are easily fooled.
I thought it was hilarious.
Maybe he thinks it was one of them big ol nasty wind shears. They are usually invisible and have been known to bring down airplanes. Maybe one became completely vertical and made a direct hit on the first building then on the other and hours later on the third. Acting like sort of like a compactor. Still doesn't explain everything being pulverized though.
I can confirm...Dak "begged" but Goldi said no on account of Dak's nasty language...MUD
Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States, I was just goin' on with you (it really didn't matter to me if you called her an establishment whore because she clearly is and just reading her script).
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Said the person who claimed that the planes were ripped to shreds but did not explode inside the building. The context of the photo is clear. If you can't get it don't blame me.
Not the same construction...WTC was built with three main support columns and 21 secondary supports and with girders supporting trusses...
Asked and answered.
Fuck you asswipe. Don;t blame me for your lack of focus and ability to recall information.
I'm following you blather on...yes. You claimed that the buildings collapsed at free fall speed. "Free fall" is EXACTLY what it sounds like...NOTHING between the interval of beginning of a fall and the end of it...given the accelerative effect of gravity on a body at rest dropped, calculating the speed of a free fall is a simple exercise of conversion. In other words, you're trying now to deflect because you assumed that you were dealing with someone who doesn't know what they are "talking" about. That was a faulty, borderline moronic, assumption on your part.
Links? Asked and answered and provided.
The Towers most certainly were and that fact is visible in photos. by the same load they had on them before becasue the floor sagged some? Actually, their load had increased exponentially when both interior and exterior support columns were destroyed.
You made this astoundiong leap of logic eactly how and did you use a net? Did the jet fuel vaporize on impact into a huge fireball Some did and some spread through the building... Hot enough to melt? No-one except you Moonbats have claimed that steel melted...
See...I'm not that hard to get along with...
That's the impact zone. No pulling there, that would be pushing. If anything the columns would have been pushed out in a fire, not pulled in. But if the floors sagged, then there was no pushing or pulling. However the floors were designed with fires in mind and they allowed enough room for expansion due to a fire so that there would be no pushing on the columns.
God is always good!
Who except you Moonbats is claiming that jetfuel caused the collapse? A 747 crashed into an apartment building in the Netherlands (Schipol I believe was the name of the town) and the apartment building didn't fall. No..it just destroyed it on impact instead...
Yea...and? But if the floors sagged, then there was no pushing or pulling. The laws of physics may be suspended in your world but here on Earth they are not.
Given that FDNY started telling everyone at 2PM that they were fearful of a collapse and gioven the fact that this has been posted a zillion times, what is your point? That because the BBC reported this it means there was a conspiracy? You need to eat your Wheaties and not those Twinkies...
Yea so?
ROFLMAO...what happens when you compress air, moron? Geezus you folks are stupid...
PIONG to above...
Still don;t get the fact that when air is compressed the force dynamic is horizontal?
The fire, the ball of fire, for example, I was in the basement when the first plane hit the building. And at that moment, I thought it was an electrical generator that blew up at that moment. A person comes running into the office saying 'explosion, explosion, explosion.' When I look at this guy; has all his skin pulled off of his body. Hanging from the top of his fingertips like it was a glove. And I said, what happened? He said the elevators. What happened was the ball of fire went down with such a force down the elevator shaft on the 58th (50A) – freight elevator, the biggest freight elevator that we have in the North Tower, it went out with such a force that it broke the cables. It went down, I think seven flights. The person survived because he was pulled from the B3 level. But this person, being in front of the doors waiting for the elevator, practically got his skin vaporized."
vOn 9/11, Rodriguez told CNN that shortly before the plane hit the tower he was in the basement when: “ ...we hear like a big rumble. Not like an impact, like a rumble, like moving furniture in a massive way. And all of sudden we hear another rumble, and a guy comes running, running into our office, and all of skin was off his body. All of the skin. We went crazy, we started screaming, we told him to get out. We took everybody out of the office outside to the loading dock area.
Nope...says you and it's an outright lie.
You folks are out of your paranoid fucking minds ***thinking*** I am anyone other than who I am/ But it is so fucking funny anyway...
I'm not speaking as a structural engineer and neither are any of you Moonbats. That said, the ACTUAL structural engineer of the building thinks you a Moonbat. That, alone, is good enough for me.
FBI Warned on Training Before 11th Fri May 3,10:15 AM ET By JOHN SOLOMON, Associated Press Writer WASHINGTON (AP) - Two months before the suicide hijackings, an FBI (news - web sites) agent in Arizona alerted Washington headquarters that several Middle Easterners were training at a U.S. aviation school and recommended contacting other schools nationwide where Arabs might be studying. "FBIHQ should discuss this matter with other elements of the U.S. intelligence community and task the community for any information that supports Phoenix's suspicions," the agent recommended in the memo obtained by The Associated Press. The FBI sent the intelligence to its terrorism experts in Washington and New York for analysis and had begun discussing conducting a nationwide canvass of flight schools when the Sept. 11 tragedies occurred, officials told AP. At least one leader of the 19 hijackers, Hani Hanjour, received flight training in Arizona in 2001 but his name had not surfaced in the FBI intelligence from Arizona, the officials said. None of the Middle Eastern men identified by the Arizona counterterrorism agents or any information contained in their July 2001 memo pointed to the suicide plot that leveled the World Trade Center and killed thousands in New York, Washington and Pennsylvania, officials said. "None of the people identified by Phoenix are connected to the Sept. 11 attacks," FBI Assistant Director John Collingwood said Thursday night. "The Phoenix communication went to appropriate operational agents and analysts but it did not lead to uncovering the impending attacks," Collingwood said. Officials said FBI counterterrorism agents in Phoenix were suspicious why several Arab men were seeking airport operations, security information and pilot training. The agents recommended that the FBI begin alerting local offices when Middle Easterners sought visas for training at local aeronautical schools. "FBIHQ should consider seeking the necessary authority to obtain visa information from the USDOS (State Department) on individuals obtaining visas to attend these types of schools and notify the appropriate FBI field office when these individuals are scheduled to arrive in their area of responsibility," the memo said. The FBI's concerns about the U.S. flight schools is the latest revelation about information, much of it sketchy, that the government possessed before Sept. 11 concerning the possibility of terrorism in the skies. For example: _AP reported last month that Filipino authorities alerted the FBI as early as 1995 that several Middle Eastern pilots were training at American flight schools and at least one had proposed hijacking a commercial jet and crashing it into federal buildings. _A month after the 2001 memo from Arizona to FBI headquarters, FBI agents in Minnesota arrested a French citizen of Moroccan descent, Zacarias Moussaoui, after a flight school instructor became suspicious of his desire to learn to fly a commercial jet. Moussaoui has since emerged as the single most important defendant in the post-Sept. 11 terrorism investigation, charged with conspiring with the hijackers and Osama bin Laden (news - web sites) to kill thousands of Americans. Prosecutors are seeking the death penalty. _About the same time as the Phoenix memo and Moussaoui's arrest, U.S. intelligence issued a late summer warning that there was heightened risk of a terrorist attack on Americans, possibly even on U.S. soil, officials have said. Law enforcement officials said in retrospect the FBI believes it should have accelerated the suggested check of U.S. flight schools after Moussaoui's arrest but does not believe it would have led to the hijackers. FBI officials said a supervisory agent in Arizona wrote a several-page memo to FBI headquarters in July 2001 laying out information his counterterrorism team had developed in an unrelated investigation. A portion of the memo dealt with an Arizona flight school, officials said. The memo indicated agents were suspicious about why several nonresident Arab men were seeking training at a commercial aeronautical school in Prescott, Ariz. Collingwood said the men "were enrolled in various aspects of civil aviation engineering, airport operations and pilot training." The agents were particularly concerned that some were attempting to learn about airport security operations, officials said. The Phoenix memo urged FBI headquarters to assemble a list of U.S. aviation academies and to instruct field offices across the country to make "appropriate liaison" with their local schools where other Middle Easterners might be training. The information was shared with intelligence analysts who monitored terrorist threats and was even sent to the FBI office in New York that had the most experience with terrorism cases, officials said. After the suicide attacks, the FBI quickly descended upon flight schools nationwide, identifying academies in Florida, Arizona and elsewhere where the leaders of the 19 hijackers trained. Hanjour, believed to have piloted the jetliner that crashed into the Pentagon (news - web sites), trained at a flight academy in Phoenix between January and March 2001, the government has said in court documents. Some witnesses have also said they believe another hijacker, Ziad Samir Jarrah, trained on an Arizona flight simulator in the months before the attacks. But the FBI has no evidence that either man was connected to the Prescott school identified in the July 2001 memo, officials said. The FBI also investigated whether an Algerian pilot who spent time in Arizona may have helped train the hijackers before leaving the United States before the attacks. That man, Lotfi Raissi, was later apprehended in Britain, but U.S. officials failed to persuade a court there to extradite him to the United States. Law enforcement officials say their suspicions about his connections to the hijackers have since fizzled. An Arizona businessman who assisted U.S. intelligence said he alerted the FBI in the mid-1990s that one or more Middle Eastern pilots were training or working in his state and appeared suspicious. Harry Ellen said he told an FBI agent in Phoenix in late 1996 or early 1997 that he met an Algerian pilot and several Middle Eastern men at an Arizona mosque. Ellen assisted U.S. intelligence during the 1990s but later had a falling out over his business and personal dealings in Asia and the Middle East. "I brought this to the attention of an agent in the local FBI whom I knew," Ellen said. "They did not seem particularly interested in the presence of these people. I stressed it was very odd that the Algerian man was involved in aviation." "One of the other men I believe was probably Mr. Raissi, although he would have been thinner and younger at the time," Ellen said. Law enforcement officials said that while Ellen helped the FBI, agents in Arizona have no record or recollection of him providing information about pilots. www.cbsnews.com/stories/2...5/attack/main509113.shtml
Interesting view of collapse of Building 7
WTC was not steel framed...it was hollow tube/inner core/steel truss...
By John J. Loftus, Atty hmmm
That was reported on in late July of 2001. That said, I believe that the threat that the US made when we broke of talks led directly to the "go" for the 9/11 attack.
gobbeldygooky, yet indicative of an inkling of comprehension while mishmashingly dishonest. the calculations have been done; the free fall collapse of wtc7 is compelling evidence of demolition, however you spin. why depart from the official version? NIST admits free fall for wtc7, why can't you? at least the studied obfuscations and the practised delusions are consistent... to deflect? this coming from one who blithely edits his idiocy as if dishonesty were a commodity (is it?--serious question). stupid child, why do you lie? actually my mistake was assuming to deal with someone who does possess a modicum of perceptiveness, allowing him to recognize and affirm simple, basic, and consequential facts, but instead has shown himself to be stubbornly evasive. good day
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"If I were going to construct a God I would furnish him with some ways and qualities and characteristics which the Present One lacks... He would spend some of His eternities in trying to forgive Himself for making man unhappy when He could have made him happy with the same effort and He would spend the rest of them in studying astronomy." ~ Mark Twain
#2127. To: TwentyTwelve (#2119)
#2128. To: TwentyTwelve (#2125)
So were all the records of gold pricing and sales.
#2129. To: IRTorqued (#2128)
So were all the records of gold pricing and sales.
#2130. To: wudidiz (#2126)
#2131. To: Litus, FormerLurker, wudidiz (#2113)
I've never seen anything from the commission in terms of actual formulas or calculations, no.
#2132. To: TwentyTwelve (#2129)
#2133. To: IRTorqued (#2132)
..much of the hype with AIG is to keep peoples eyes on the bonuses and off the barbarous acts of shadyism they pulled with silver trades.
#2134. To: IRTorqued (#2130)
"If I were going to construct a God I would furnish him with some ways and qualities and characteristics which the Present One lacks... He would spend some of His eternities in trying to forgive Himself for making man unhappy when He could have made him happy with the same effort and He would spend the rest of them in studying astronomy." ~ Mark Twain
#2135. To: FormerLurker (#2085)
war's story is that the wind blew it over.
#2136. To: Dakmar, Sarajevo (#2032)
"Hell, I recently tried to make amends, to no avail, just ask mudboy."
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the U.S. Constitution!!
#2137. To: IRTorqued (#2090)
we got stuck in Portsmouth England for six weeks during euro97, had a blast asking the limeys what they did for the fourth of July so I'll hardly have a problem calling a bimbette a bimbo.
Lord Acton
#2138. To: FormerLurker (#2019)
You are a liar.
#2139. To: Elliott Jackalope (#2018)
#2140. To: FormerLurker (#2020)
You never offered your own words, so give me what YOU think that number is.
#2141. To: FormerLurker (#2021)
So you admit that you made that number up, right?
#2142. To: postpunk (#2023)
are you following?
#2143. To: TwentyTwelve (#2024)
Proof?
#2144. To: RickyJ (#2025)
You think the core columns were "pulled" inward
#2145. To: Dakmar (#2031)
So the planes themselves would have caused a fire hot enough to melt steel?
#2146. To: Jethro Tull, TwentyTwelve (#2033)
Marguerite is a hideous, lox munching beast who deserves to tossed, ass first, into occupied Gaza with a sign saying "I hate Palestinians."
#2147. To: war (#2144)
The Towers most certainly were and that fact is visible in photos.
#2148. To: James Deffenbach (#2035)
No, it wasn't the planes themselves but the Magickal Jet Fuel™ that was used one time and one time only and just in the planes that crashed on 9/11.
#2149. To: RickyJ (#2147)
That's the impact zone
#2150. To: TwentyTwelve (#2041)
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#2157. To: IRTorqued (#2067)
says you. did marvin tell you it was all on the up and up?
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#2159. To: Critter (#2075)
Are you a structural engineer? no? Well STF up then. You are useless.
#2160. To: Itistoolate (#0)
#2161. To: All (#2160)
#2162. To: Elliott Jackalope (#2010)
the total structural failure of a steel-framed skyscraper.
#2163. To: TwentyTwelve (#2119)
What Congress Does Not Know About Enron And 911
#2164. To: TwentyTwelve (#2119)
A captured Al Qaida document reveals that US energy companies were secretly negotiating with the Taliban to build a pipeline.
#2165. To: war (#2142)
You claimed that the buildings collapsed at free fall speed. "Free fall" is EXACTLY what it sounds like...NOTHING between the interval of beginning of a fall and the end of it...given the accelerative effect of gravity on a body at rest dropped, calculating the speed of a free fall is a simple exercise of conversion.
In its draft report, released in August 2008, NIST attempted to cover up evidence that WTC7 fell at freefall, but the coverup was transparent. In its final report, released in November 2008, NIST finally acknowledged freefall, but couched it in a bizarre framework that continues to deny its clear significance.
In other words, you're trying now to deflect because you assumed that you were dealing with someone who doesn't know what they are "talking" about. That was a faulty, borderline moronic, assumption on your part.
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